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Baptism and the Holy Raising of the Sons of the Father

 
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I am considering doing short threads on single topics... and I am considering not responding to the replies.. an experiment.. I will see where it goes.

So.. Did Christ Jesus say everyone must be baptized in the church he did not start.. NO he did not.

He let himself be baptised according to custom and I guess it was John the Baptist if memory is correct who did baptism and said that one greater than he would come to baptize in the holy spirit or something like that.. feel free to add that stuff from the bible to this thread.

Now some Christians say dunking is essential to baptism.. that sprinkling is not accepted.. I don't remember my own sprinkling as an infant in the Tiny little Episcopal Church in my town.

AND some churches.. and I observed this is a modern one in Thornton CO years ago I attended one Easter Sunday..... believe that sprinkling after birth confirms Christianity on a child.. That church had a baptism font.. where several babies could be baptized at the same time by sprinkling.. and then right after the lovely handicapped Christian Father.. a woman yes... announced they were all good Christians now.. She had MS and was using a wheelchair for Sunday service. very nice woman.. I have tended to like better the women priests who have come into the Episcopal church.

But you see... sprinkles don't make a Christian.. never did. That was my objection.

And as to baptism.. I suppose you could say I am dunker and baptism is a personal choice that belongs to a person able to make such a decision.. for which there could be MANY reasons.

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Ok.. what I KNOW is HOLY.. is a welcoming to this world of new babies... and a name giving ceremony.

I don't know what various cultures do around that one. But you can do a sprinkling or dunking if you like as part of the welcome and include the name being given to the child.

In the movie Roots and I think in the book but its been a long time since I read.. it.. the Father or somebody appropriate takes the child out under the clear night sky full of stars.. and names the child and lifts it up to the sky and says..

XXXXX.. behold the only thing greater than YOU...

Now I like that one.. I really do...

because the entire creation is the only thing greater than the father Knowing Human Being SOUL... now the infant maybe not realize what has just been done.. but if the infant meat suit is a reincarnation of a Father Knowing person... that inner self will notice.

I have a thread on Humans being only begotten Sons of the Father which is absolute truth to those who KNOW.. Knowing is not believing.

There are essentially two types of Beings in the Creation... the Angelic folks of the angelic realms and even this realm of earth... are created beings.. not born by method if egg and sperm grown in a woman's body.

And Humans arise from the evolutionary worlds out of the animal mind seeded by the holy spirit... and on a few worlds.. Plants win the evolutionary race... and thus there really are plant people... One of them survived a crash for a few years on earth in fact.. I forget right now what he was called. but these take in the same gases plants do for energy.. Humans can arise out of any animal specially on various worlds.. our type is the most common.. said to be about 40% and the rest come out of other seeding that are not like this type of body. I myself arose on an evolutionary world where cats won the race.. Another of that type that works this world is Mother Skekmet.

off track a bit.. oh well
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Now about this idea of welcoming ceremonies... it would be incredibly important for all cultures and religions to use such.. and I am not familiar with others on this.. on how HUMANS are welcomed onto this sphere.. whether they come from places as I have.. or whether they arose out of the seeding of this world 550 million years ago.

It is important to start a child out in such a way.. that this beginning ceremony is carried in pictures and all that stuff as part of this childs life story on this world. There should be since we can do that.. a recorded image of some sort for the beginning of a scrap book for the child of his building life...

Every human coming into this world by method of baby... should be told he will become a unique child or son or daughter.. I don't care.. sex seems important here.. its not but it's over rated... as he grows himself up...

On children born of this seeding into a first truly human life... the Fragment of the Father is not yet there at birth... It comes as the child grows in spirit... and on this planet the average age this Divine Fragment of the Father comes.. is when the child makes his first moral decision and carries it out..

That is at the average age of 5ish.. some younger and some much much older. Before Christ Jesus... the average age was much later... in the case of say.. the son of Eve who murdered his brother.. much later.. but it did come.. you are welcome to post the bible quotes on that one. ... the murder.. because I don't think the coming of the father Fragment was covered.

With the ending of the story of Christ Jesus on the cross and his brief return to Paradise to accept the approval of the Father.. signified the coming of Father Divine Spirit fragments to all Humans born of this world...who demonstrated morality and had normal mind.

so lets go on.. gotta consider my next post.
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It becomes at birth now of the responsibility of parents to convey the teaching of Christ about the indwelling Father and assist as possible the moral learning and much much more of each individual child. We still have so much corrupted parenting on this world because of lack of decent teaching..

Which MUST and this is my knowing... not my "belief"... be carried out by INTENTION by Parents who know WHO THEY REALLY BE for the best results..

Therefore from now on out this concept of welcoming the child will become global in the knowing and in the KNOWING by global parents to come.. that Humans are ONLY BEGOTTEN SONS OF THE FATHER who make the choice of eternal life. There are some who don't want that you know...

SO BE IT.. I AM THAT I AM... KAN DAEK.. inservice to and partnered with... Christ Jesus on his return trip to this world.


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Ok I forgot something I wanted to say about Baptism.. this is a question.. how many of you when down in the dumbs... for various reasons in life.. take a bath or a shower.. or go for a swim and soak in a hot tub?

Do you feel REFRESHED emotionally when you do this? Its because water cleanses the AURIC and emotioned fields and ths does have to do with the origin of baptism at least as practiced before Jesus walked the earth.

You baptism yourself every time you shower or bathe.... now that I have shared this one.. think about it.. and notice.. because you will look on that shower .. or swim.. or bath.. in AWE once you realize this.. Ok.

and sometimes some introspection or meditation happens during this time.. right?:Love to you:
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In the movie Roots and I think in the book but its been a long time since I read.. it.. the Father or somebody appropriate takes the child out under the clear night sky full of stars.. and names the child and lifts it up to the sky and says..

XXXXX.. behold the only thing greater than YOU...

Now I like that one.. I really do...

 Quoting: ALL IS ONE IS ALL



I like that too...
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Can you imagine a world in which HUman Beings manifest WHO THEY REALLY ARE? And have been raised up in Holy Families who know who they are..

On such worlds... and it will happen on this one ..... life is very long... and beautifully "profitable" in the spiritual sense...

Most give up the use of Money.. because the service is stunning.. and money is no longer needed... and thus there is NO poverty and everything can thus be "afforded".. with out enslaving the poor... to provide it.
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I am considering doing short threads on single topics... and I am considering not responding to the replies.. an experiment.. I will see where it goes.

So.. Did Christ Jesus say everyone must be baptized in the church he did not start.. NO he did not.

He let himself be baptised according to custom and I guess it was John the Baptist if memory is correct who did baptism and said that one greater than he would come to baptize in the holy spirit or something like that.. feel free to add that stuff from the bible to this thread.

Now some Christians say dunking is essential to baptism.. that sprinkling is not accepted.. I don't remember my own sprinkling as an infant in the Tiny little Episcopal Church in my town.

AND some churches.. and I observed this is a modern one in Thornton CO years ago I attended one Easter Sunday..... believe that sprinkling after birth confirms Christianity on a child.. That church had a baptism font.. where several babies could be baptized at the same time by sprinkling.. and then right after the lovely handicapped Christian Father.. a woman yes... announced they were all good Christians now.. She had MS and was using a wheelchair for Sunday service. very nice woman.. I have tended to like better the women priests who have come into the Episcopal church.

But you see... sprinkles don't make a Christian.. never did. That was my objection.

And as to baptism.. I suppose you could say I am dunker and baptism is a personal choice that belongs to a person able to make such a decision.. for which there could be MANY reasons.

Ok on to next post.
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The book of Bible blubber.

By the way the one who was known as Jesus is here on the planet in another country, born in 89' along with the one who was Mary now his mother like before.
He's now 32 years old living a regular life.

And today, when Christ was reincarnated, Christ’s heavenly world disintegrated, and therefore praying and supplicating to live eternally with Christ is just a practice of illusion and an unpractical expectation.

So your SOL if you still think that he's going to come floating down from the sky to rescue you, nah not gonna happen. He isn't going to save your hide.

The book of bleeble blabble.
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This is 100% false.. and I am going to remove the post.. it is not suitable to this thread... do not take personal offense.
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this is a special topic thread.. and those trying to derail it will not be here.... this is not the place to attack me..hf

However if you feel the need.. this one will work.

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or if you want to argue a point.. maybe this one.

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If you have newness of life before baptism then how do we go into baptism for it? It cleary says below that we could continue in sin. We are "baptized into Jesus Christ". Our old man of sin is destroyed (verse 6).


Romans 6
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
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If you have newness of life before baptism then how do we go into baptism for it? It cleary says below that we could continue in sin. We are "baptized into Jesus Christ". Our old man of sin is destroyed (verse 6).


Romans 6
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
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baptism does not prevent the free will choice of committing sin or worse.. such as iniquity .. and most sin is error anyway.. from being ignorant... You are responsible totally for your choices in life and baptism does not remove the choices. And you alone chose the life eternal.. nobody can do that for you.. and it doesn't matter if you are baptised as an infant or an adult. YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE for every choice and decision made.. the book of Romans starts off very wrong.


with this.. first statement in Roman's...He was no servant.

Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

Paul was never called to be an apostle... NEVER. His teachings should have been wholly rejected at the Council of Nicea.

Jesus merely in Syria.. where SAUL was chasing him with army... after the crucifixion... to stop him tossed fireworks at him producing 3 days of blindness which did SAUL from chasing him.. and told him to get an education.. but that did not make him an apostle. He was still enemy in fact because of misunderstood teachings.
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"Teachers must be free beings, real leaders, to the end that philosophy, the search for wisdom, may become the chief educational pursuit." UB paper 71

interesting as we view the shit ass over control in education these days... The mind control of children and students must end... and they be encouraged to THINK and introspect.. See seek wisdom is not taught in Christianity. the seeking of it.. if it was.. you would not be eating his body.. .and drinking his blood et all. That is copy paste non thinking behavior. It is not wisdom and I surely found that one out here when I did some pot stirring the last few days... too much non thinking non wisdom dumb rituals.
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to make it clear.. you cannot get a holy spirit from baptism... you get the FATHERs SPIRIT if you are moral...has nothing to do with any religion.. its how the cosmos works.


the Holy Spirit has been mislabeled. If you live in a body.. the holy spirit is already there from the time of the egg from which you grew.
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All baptism is human work. human creation. a group of group.
Yes it's not anything to do with Jesus.

Buddha is a spiritual master. but the way he did it is not perfect. Humans make his teachings into something too strict! like a cult!

Buddha and Jesus and other icons are all ONE!


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Jesus is for All people!
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John baptized with water, the Messiah baptized with the Holy Spirit.

Believe in Yahushuwah as the atoning sacrifice for all your sins, and repent of your sin, and follow the commandments.

Honor the father on His appointed feast days, and keep the sabbath.

Christians are following the Roman Construct which is a different personage of the Messiah, thus a different Christ.

The true disciples were called the Natsarim, and they were all about keeping the Sabbath and following the commandments but they also believed Yahushuwah was the Messiah.

The J_ws wanted to kill the Natsarim as they did not accept Yahushuwah as the Messiah, and what the Christians don't realize is the early Christians were not Natsarim and they wanted to kill them too. All different denominations of Christianity, including the Evangelical Churches, are of a Roman Construct. A deception, thus "The Great Deception"

Easter/Ishtar and Christmas/Saturnalia are both Roman construct holidays designed to get people to celebrate pagan gods and divert them away from the true appointed Holy days.

The Christians are being deceived just like the rest of the world religions that do not follow the way of the Natsarims.


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I have some posts to move here maybe.. but let me say one thing...

I baptized a dying baby shortly after delivery once for the parents.. because of their fear God or Jesus would not accept the child.

SO I said I was a cleric and I baptized the baby to ease their pain.. that's a different situation..in an emergency and there was no way to have this done in their church... Common sense and love applies but what I can't do is have a parish of my own where I have to do things that are lies.


I have another thread today on what Christianity must do.. must EVOLVE to to serve during the Millennial Reign.
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John baptized with water, the Messiah baptized with the Holy Spirit.

Believe in Yahushuwah as the atoning sacrifice for all your sins, and repent of your sin, and follow the commandments.

Honor the father on His appointed feast days, and keep the sabbath.

Christians are following the Roman Construct which is a different personage of the Messiah, thus a different Christ.

The true disciples were called the Natsarim, and they were all about keeping the Sabbath and following the commandments but they also believed Yahushuwah was the Messiah.

The J_ws wanted to kill the Natsarim as they did not accept Yahushuwah as the Messiah, and what the Christians don't realize is the early Christians were not Natsarim and they wanted to kill them too. All different denominations of Christianity, including the Evangelical Churches, are of a Roman Construct. A deception, thus "The Great Deception"

Easter/Ishtar and Christmas/Saturnalia are both Roman construct holidays designed to get people to celebrate pagan gods and divert them away from the true appointed Holy days.

The Christians are being deceived just like the rest of the world religions that do not follow the way of the Natsarims.


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the baptism of the holy spirit by the messiah was placing the Spirit of Truth after the Crucifixion... The Spirit of Truth is not the HOLY Spirit.. you have been fed a lie.
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Are you using GLP to set up a ministry?? Just askin'??

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All baptism is human work. human creation. a group of group.
Yes it's not anything to do with Jesus.

Buddha is a spiritual master. but the way he did it is not perfect. Humans make his teachings into something too strict! like a cult!

Buddha and Jesus and other icons are all ONE!


Jesus is not for Christians for those who dont know!
Jesus is for All people!
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Well said !!

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John baptized with water, the Messiah baptized with the Holy Spirit.


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the baptism of the holy spirit by the messiah was placing the Spirit of Truth after the Crucifixion... The Spirit of Truth is not the HOLY Spirit.. you have been fed a lie.
 Quoting: ALL IS ONE IS ALL


Does the Spirit of Truth overcome Sin and Death, raise the dead, and heal the sick?

Does the Spirit of Truth speak to your inner Spirit, to help you?

Does the Spirit of Truth seal you for the day of redemption?

What are the differences?


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Are you using GLP to set up a ministry?? Just askin'??

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not really.. a bit of a silly joke in a sense... I have always ministered here though.. always. This is a ministry to me for me since maybe 2008 or 2009

the idea stuck from Stain Lance's suggestion for a a GLP church or something like that.

My life has been a ministry.. always in service.
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Are you using GLP to set up a ministry?? Just askin'??

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not really.. a bit of a silly joke in a sense... I have always ministered here though.. always. This is a ministry to me for me since maybe 2008 or 2009

the idea stuck from Stain Lance's suggestion for a a GLP church or something like that.
 Quoting: ALL IS ONE IS ALL


Here is a thread Lance created.. I haven't read it all'

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WELL yesterday afternoon we got a nice spring rain for a few hours in my area... and this morning I feel that lovely baptism.. its so fresh and alive feeling as I do some outside work....I am sure many of you are witness to the fresh nice spring showers bring.. you are feeling the baptism.hf
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once the concept of Humans as SONS of the FATHER.. ONLY BEGOTTEN SONS is known and felt..this world will know peace... because as you teach and demonstrate this to your Children... they will grow up a step or more ahead of todays Children... and faster. And imagine also your grandchildren...

they will know who they BE... and that they must grow their spirits and come into fuller server to all the Other ONLY BEGOTTEN SONS of the FATHER.. all over the world..When you see god in all.................

People in all religions and cultures ARE YOUR BROTHERS and Sisters... and the only reason I am using sisters.. is the sex of the body is not the soul...:consult divine w:





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