SpaceX Starship SN11 High Altitude Test Flight | |
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User ID: 79448974 Puerto Rico 03/30/2021 02:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SpaceX seems to be on track for a test flight today, but it is very foggy down at Boca Chica. They are set to go live in a few minutes, but as this is a prototype vehicle delays are likely and a fully successful landing is not guaranteed. the ship design is "faulty" it will burn and crash or crash and burn again ..... Elon has not hired me ... so screw him and his ship ! Lol..I said basically the same thing before I read your thread! yep he needs to hire better R&D engineers that can generate good solutions instead of stealing other peoples works ... and doing a bad job with the stolen stuff .... they had burned more than 200 million dollars worth already and they will repeat the same dumb mistakes ! I was commenting to my wife as video streamed " and now at engine restart it will blow !" poof ! out it went ! In one way i feel happy as Elons ego goes down with his flying penis but i feel realy sad about the waste of resources .... and the good people that works there (not all of them are dicks) ... Are we screwd ! ~~~~ |
Snuffielover
User ID: 77312996 Norway 03/30/2021 02:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It looks like they blew it up in the middle of landing before it even hit the ground. That's why debris is raining down all around the landing site. Everyday Astronaut may have just lost $20,000 worth of cameras. That's like one stream worth of donations for him though. Lately, I like that guy less and less. If any foreign minister begins to defend to the death a "peace conference," you can be sure his government has already placed its orders for new battleships and aeroplanes. |
mellonhead
User ID: 79491280 Czechia 03/30/2021 02:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SpaceX seems to be on track for a test flight today, but it is very foggy down at Boca Chica. They are set to go live in a few minutes, but as this is a prototype vehicle delays are likely and a fully successful landing is not guaranteed. Good timing, anytime I need a good laugh Fakex comes through! Hermie Gothe |
Justme C'est Moi
User ID: 80193276 United States 03/30/2021 03:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I spent a lot of years designing and troubleshooting cryogenic Liquid oxygen, nitrogen and hydrogen plants. Having all of that stuff in close proximity, with valves that have a tendency to leak, and piping that can become overstressed and break so easily, is dangerous business even if you are an expert. Not sure how much cryogenics expertise his team has. NASA had a special stress analysis program which I used to run as a young engineer. I think this business of starting and stopping and then restarting engines a couple minutes later is asking for trouble. Also, if they are using hardened aluminum piping for the cryo liquids, those pipes work harden when subjected to a lot of vibration. Couple that with a few inches of thermal contraction/expansion/recontraction and you are asking for an explosion, or (an unscheduled surplus of energy). Looking forward, if these guys think they are going to reuse these rockets a bunch of times,... well, I hope they are ready for lots of explosions. It is possible to design enough expansion joints into the designs, but I doubt they are doing enough of that. Last Edited by JustmeTX on 03/30/2021 03:54 PM Justme |
Digital mix guy
User ID: 80192530 United States 03/30/2021 04:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SpaceX seems to be on track for a test flight today, but it is very foggy down at Boca Chica. They are set to go live in a few minutes, but as this is a prototype vehicle delays are likely and a fully successful landing is not guaranteed. very interesting! thanks for posting this! Have no fear, Spock is here!!! LLAP |
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User ID: 79448974 Puerto Rico 03/30/2021 04:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I spent a lot of years designing and troubleshooting cryogenic Liquid oxygen, nitrogen and hydrogen plants. Quoting: Justme C'est Moi Having all of that stuff in close proximity, with valves that have a tendency to leak, and piping that can become overstressed and break so easily, is dangerous business even if you are an expert. Not sure how much cryogenics expertise his team has. NASA had a special stress analysis program which I used to run as a young engineer. I think this business of starting and stopping and then restarting engines a couple minutes later is asking for trouble. Also, if they are using hardened aluminum piping for the cryo liquids, those pipes work harden when subjected to a lot of vibration. Couple that with a few inches of thermal contraction/expansion/recontraction and you are asking for an explosion, or (an unscheduled surplus of energy). Looking forward, if these guys think they are going to reuse these rockets a bunch of times,... well, I hope they are ready for lots of explosions. It is possible to design enough expansion joints into the designs, but I doubt they are doing enough of that. they are using laser printing , and the syntered mix amalgam is too hard to start with ... but that is only one of the problems they face , their flow dynamics suck feces from a diesel truck engine muffler! Are we screwd ! ~~~~ |
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User ID: 79448974 Puerto Rico 03/30/2021 04:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I spent a lot of years designing and troubleshooting cryogenic Liquid oxygen, nitrogen and hydrogen plants. Quoting: Justme C'est Moi Having all of that stuff in close proximity, with valves that have a tendency to leak, and piping that can become overstressed and break so easily, is dangerous business even if you are an expert. Not sure how much cryogenics expertise his team has. NASA had a special stress analysis program which I used to run as a young engineer. I think this business of starting and stopping and then restarting engines a couple minutes later is asking for trouble. Also, if they are using hardened aluminum piping for the cryo liquids, those pipes work harden when subjected to a lot of vibration. Couple that with a few inches of thermal contraction/expansion/recontraction and you are asking for an explosion, or (an unscheduled surplus of energy). Looking forward, if these guys think they are going to reuse these rockets a bunch of times,... well, I hope they are ready for lots of explosions. It is possible to design enough expansion joints into the designs, but I doubt they are doing enough of that. they are using laser printing , and the syntered mix amalgam is too hard to start with ... but that is only one of the problems they face , their flow dynamics suck feces from a diesel truck engine muffler! Are we screwd ! ~~~~ |
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User ID: 79448974 Puerto Rico 03/30/2021 04:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I spent a lot of years designing and troubleshooting cryogenic Liquid oxygen, nitrogen and hydrogen plants. Quoting: Justme C'est Moi Having all of that stuff in close proximity, with valves that have a tendency to leak, and piping that can become overstressed and break so easily, is dangerous business even if you are an expert. Not sure how much cryogenics expertise his team has. NASA had a special stress analysis program which I used to run as a young engineer. I think this business of starting and stopping and then restarting engines a couple minutes later is asking for trouble. Also, if they are using hardened aluminum piping for the cryo liquids, those pipes work harden when subjected to a lot of vibration. Couple that with a few inches of thermal contraction/expansion/recontraction and you are asking for an explosion, or (an unscheduled surplus of energy). Looking forward, if these guys think they are going to reuse these rockets a bunch of times,... well, I hope they are ready for lots of explosions. It is possible to design enough expansion joints into the designs, but I doubt they are doing enough of that. they are using laser printing , and the syntered mix amalgam is too hard to start with ... but that is only one of the problems they face , their flow dynamics suck feces from a diesel truck engine muffler! Are we screwd ! ~~~~ |
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BananaRepublicOfAmerika
User ID: 78240172 United States 03/30/2021 04:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Waste of $$$$$$$$$$$ Rail Gun Tech and Particle Accelerator built large enough to accommodate a satellite. Mars ETA about 10 minutes moving at just below the speed of light. Robotic assembled same at destination for return trip. Last Edited by The Good Fight on 03/30/2021 04:18 PM |
Deplorable Times
User ID: 16125634 United States 03/30/2021 04:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I spent a lot of years designing and troubleshooting cryogenic Liquid oxygen, nitrogen and hydrogen plants. Quoting: Justme C'est Moi Having all of that stuff in close proximity, with valves that have a tendency to leak, and piping that can become overstressed and break so easily, is dangerous business even if you are an expert. Not sure how much cryogenics expertise his team has. NASA had a special stress analysis program which I used to run as a young engineer. I think this business of starting and stopping and then restarting engines a couple minutes later is asking for trouble. Also, if they are using hardened aluminum piping for the cryo liquids, those pipes work harden when subjected to a lot of vibration. Couple that with a few inches of thermal contraction/expansion/recontraction and you are asking for an explosion, or (an unscheduled surplus of energy). Looking forward, if these guys think they are going to reuse these rockets a bunch of times,... well, I hope they are ready for lots of explosions. It is possible to design enough expansion joints into the designs, but I doubt they are doing enough of that. they are using laser printing , and the syntered mix amalgam is too hard to start with ... but that is only one of the problems they face , their flow dynamics suck feces from a diesel truck engine muffler! You've never designed anything in your life. Not a question, by the way. I'm stating a fact. Shit breaks when you try to build it from nothing. The way to design something that won't break, that's never been done before, is to build them, test them until they break, then build them again learning from the last time. Iterate these steps enough and eventually you have a thing that doesn't break anymore. "I believe in the United States of America as a Government of the people, by the people, for the people; whose just powers are derived from the consent of the governed; a democracy in a republic; a sovereign nation of many sovereign states; a perfect union one and inseparable; established upon those principles of freedom, equality, justice and humanity for which American patriots sacrificed their lives and fortunes. I therefore believe it is my duty to my country to love it; to support its Constitution; to obey it laws; to respect its flag; and to defend it against all enemies." -William Page |
Justme C'est Moi
User ID: 80193276 United States 03/30/2021 04:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I spent a lot of years designing and troubleshooting cryogenic Liquid oxygen, nitrogen and hydrogen plants. Quoting: Justme C'est Moi Having all of that stuff in close proximity, with valves that have a tendency to leak, and piping that can become overstressed and break so easily, is dangerous business even if you are an expert. Not sure how much cryogenics expertise his team has. NASA had a special stress analysis program which I used to run as a young engineer. I think this business of starting and stopping and then restarting engines a couple minutes later is asking for trouble. Also, if they are using hardened aluminum piping for the cryo liquids, those pipes work harden when subjected to a lot of vibration. Couple that with a few inches of thermal contraction/expansion/recontraction and you are asking for an explosion, or (an unscheduled surplus of energy). Looking forward, if these guys think they are going to reuse these rockets a bunch of times,... well, I hope they are ready for lots of explosions. It is possible to design enough expansion joints into the designs, but I doubt they are doing enough of that. they are using laser printing , and the syntered mix amalgam is too hard to start with ... but that is only one of the problems they face , their flow dynamics suck feces from a diesel truck engine muffler! You've never designed anything in your life. Not a question, by the way. I'm stating a fact. Shit breaks when you try to build it from nothing. The way to design something that won't break, that's never been done before, is to build them, test them until they break, then build them again learning from the last time. Iterate these steps enough and eventually you have a thing that doesn't break anymore. Well, you're just an idiot. Not worth arguing with you. I designed the most heavily repeated cryo plant in the history of the industry. ANd that was one small thing I designed. Then I moved into Business development. Crawl back under your rock. I'll see about putting you on ignore. Justme |
Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 03/30/2021 05:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SpaceX seems to be on track for a test flight today, but it is very foggy down at Boca Chica. They are set to go live in a few minutes, but as this is a prototype vehicle delays are likely and a fully successful landing is not guaranteed. Good timing, anytime I need a good laugh Fakex comes through! |
Deplorable Times
User ID: 16125634 United States 03/30/2021 05:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I spent a lot of years designing and troubleshooting cryogenic Liquid oxygen, nitrogen and hydrogen plants. Quoting: Justme C'est Moi Having all of that stuff in close proximity, with valves that have a tendency to leak, and piping that can become overstressed and break so easily, is dangerous business even if you are an expert. Not sure how much cryogenics expertise his team has. NASA had a special stress analysis program which I used to run as a young engineer. I think this business of starting and stopping and then restarting engines a couple minutes later is asking for trouble. Also, if they are using hardened aluminum piping for the cryo liquids, those pipes work harden when subjected to a lot of vibration. Couple that with a few inches of thermal contraction/expansion/recontraction and you are asking for an explosion, or (an unscheduled surplus of energy). Looking forward, if these guys think they are going to reuse these rockets a bunch of times,... well, I hope they are ready for lots of explosions. It is possible to design enough expansion joints into the designs, but I doubt they are doing enough of that. they are using laser printing , and the syntered mix amalgam is too hard to start with ... but that is only one of the problems they face , their flow dynamics suck feces from a diesel truck engine muffler! You've never designed anything in your life. Not a question, by the way. I'm stating a fact. Shit breaks when you try to build it from nothing. The way to design something that won't break, that's never been done before, is to build them, test them until they break, then build them again learning from the last time. Iterate these steps enough and eventually you have a thing that doesn't break anymore. Well, you're just an idiot. Not worth arguing with you. I designed the most heavily repeated cryo plant in the history of the industry. ANd that was one small thing I designed. Then I moved into Business development. Crawl back under your rock. I'll see about putting you on ignore. My comment was not directed at you. Im on a cell and its difficult...was directed at X 222 or however he has his name. Sorry for the confusion. "I believe in the United States of America as a Government of the people, by the people, for the people; whose just powers are derived from the consent of the governed; a democracy in a republic; a sovereign nation of many sovereign states; a perfect union one and inseparable; established upon those principles of freedom, equality, justice and humanity for which American patriots sacrificed their lives and fortunes. I therefore believe it is my duty to my country to love it; to support its Constitution; to obey it laws; to respect its flag; and to defend it against all enemies." -William Page |
Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 03/30/2021 05:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Doubt it, they were already very low to the ground and AFTS is usually safed at that point. The timing coinciding with the engine re-light makes me think it was a catastrophic engine re-start problem. Yes good point and yes catastrophic. They'll fix it. Hearing rumors it was actually the FTS that blew it up after all. Some aerial photos of the debris seem to support the notion that it blew apart high up on the rocket, where the FTS charges are located. It may have been slightly off-course and triggered the FTS. |
KB9OAK
User ID: 80113078 United States 03/30/2021 05:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Poor old Tim Dodd looked a bit distressed about his cameras, quite a few grands worth. Quoting: Mr Badger Very dramatic show for him, though. Particularly the part where he's waiting for the shock wave from the detonation to roll in. I wonder what the problem was this time? They've got everything else down-pat but the landing. Were they trying to seed clouds with the wreckage? Chemtrails? "Y’know they’re schemers. Schemers trying to control their little worlds. I try to show the schemers how pathetic their attempts to control things really are"-Joker |
CircleTwerk
User ID: 80163073 Japan 03/30/2021 05:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The good thing is that all ACs now have accounts so we can reply to AM threads. WHO EXACTLY GIVES A FUCK what is going on at Flight Level whatever that humans did like 70 years ago? Probably Russians first if you are counting real stuff. Give it up dude. The only thing to be concerned with now is how to not get killed by this tyranny. |
The Way
User ID: 79579307 United States 03/30/2021 05:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Doubt it, they were already very low to the ground and AFTS is usually safed at that point. The timing coinciding with the engine re-light makes me think it was a catastrophic engine re-start problem. Yes good point and yes catastrophic. They'll fix it. Hearing rumors it was actually the FTS that blew it up after all. Some aerial photos of the debris seem to support the notion that it blew apart high up on the rocket, where the FTS charges are located. It may have been slightly off-course and triggered the FTS. It would have been rather funny if it had made a perfect landing in the saltmarsh out back, or on Boca Chica Blvd. And even funnier watching the engineers try to find a way to move it back inside the launch facility. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life." - John 3:16 [link to biblehub.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80193388 Germany 03/30/2021 06:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | we shoot down your Ships! [link to www.spiegel.de (secure)] Asgard Airforce! The Black Knight Satellite could down any Ship or Satellite anytime. |
CircleTwerk
User ID: 80163073 Japan 03/30/2021 06:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For anyone interested, Starships go to stars. That requires banned tech for the sheep. This "starship" can go to about 10 times less than a weather balloon? Shit kids do that if they can save up enough smores money for a couple months. Clean a few toilets, wash a few cars and mow a few lawns and you can beat space x with very cool and now cheap tech for a much better view. |
Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 03/30/2021 06:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The good thing is that all ACs now have accounts so we can reply to AM threads. Quoting: CircleTwerk WHO EXACTLY GIVES A FUCK what is going on at Flight Level whatever that humans did like 70 years ago? Probably Russians first if you are counting real stuff. Give it up dude. The only thing to be concerned with now is how to not get killed by this tyranny. If you don't "give a fuck" about the subject you don't have to click on my threads. Easy as that. Humans weren't trying to vertically land huge upper stage rockets running on full flow staged combustion engines 70 years ago. This shit is new and quite hard. If successful, it will mean SpaceX has a fully reusable rocket, both the first and second stage, and that will be a game changer. |
Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 03/30/2021 06:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For anyone interested, Starships go to stars. That requires banned tech for the sheep. This "starship" can go to about 10 times less than a weather balloon? Quoting: CircleTwerk The starship section is the upper stage, this is not the first stage booster and is not intended to reach earth orbit on its own. These are early tests for a whole new rocket and this is only the smaller second stage. The altitude limit is dictated mostly by the FAA right now and what they feel comfortable with. That will have to change when it comes time to test the first stage booster and especially when the first orbital flights start. |
CircleTwerk
User ID: 80163073 Japan 03/30/2021 06:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For anyone interested, Starships go to stars. That requires banned tech for the sheep. This "starship" can go to about 10 times less than a weather balloon? Quoting: CircleTwerk The starship section is the upper stage, this is not the first stage booster and is not intended to reach earth orbit on its own. These are early tests for a whole new rocket and this is only the smaller second stage. The altitude limit is dictated mostly by the FAA right now and what they feel comfortable with. That will have to change when it comes time to test the first stage booster and especially when the first orbital flights start. Dude. I am not trying to mess with what you are into but in the grand scheme of things, why? Why do what we or other countries have done. I know it is a new way for sure but what is the end result? A bit cheaper and more efficient? I am all for progress in space or to get there but what is going on here on the ground is of much more concern for us and any future space travel. |
Astromut
(OP) Senior Forum Moderator 03/30/2021 09:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For anyone interested, Starships go to stars. That requires banned tech for the sheep. This "starship" can go to about 10 times less than a weather balloon? Quoting: CircleTwerk The starship section is the upper stage, this is not the first stage booster and is not intended to reach earth orbit on its own. These are early tests for a whole new rocket and this is only the smaller second stage. The altitude limit is dictated mostly by the FAA right now and what they feel comfortable with. That will have to change when it comes time to test the first stage booster and especially when the first orbital flights start. Dude. I am not trying to mess with what you are into but in the grand scheme of things, why? You realize I work on experiments that fly in space, right? I'm not just into it, it's part of my livelihood. Why do what we or other countries have done. Quoting: CircleAlready described how this feat hasn't been done. It's important because it will lower the cost of access to space and enable deeper exploration. I know it is a new way for sure but what is the end result? A bit cheaper and more efficient? Quoting: CircleA bit? Actually, a lot. And a lot more capable. I am all for progress in space Quoting: CircleDoesn't sound like it. or to get there but what is going on here on the ground is of much more concern for us and any future space travel. Quoting: CircleSo you're actually against space exploration, got it. Get off my threads. |
Weyoun
User ID: 78625468 United States 03/31/2021 04:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For anyone interested, Starships go to stars. That requires banned tech for the sheep. This "starship" can go to about 10 times less than a weather balloon? Quoting: CircleTwerk The starship section is the upper stage, this is not the first stage booster and is not intended to reach earth orbit on its own. These are early tests for a whole new rocket and this is only the smaller second stage. The altitude limit is dictated mostly by the FAA right now and what they feel comfortable with. That will have to change when it comes time to test the first stage booster and especially when the first orbital flights start. You guys need to hire Esper. He'll get the FAA to approve it with one phone call. |