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Victor Vectors
User ID: 71388910 United States 03/27/2021 06:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Which one? There are hundreds. Oh, sorry, I'm wrong the Hindu's have 330 million gods. Good luck learning their names in one lifetime. Last Edited by Victor Vectors on 03/27/2021 06:48 PM |
NDFarm
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IfYouInsist
User ID: 41011373 United States 03/27/2021 06:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And why he doesn't seem to ever help people in need, especially children. Assuming God is real, how can he let people suffer so much? No loving God would do that. All the wars, murders, rapes and diseases and God never lifts a finger to help anyone. Quoting: NDFarm Religions always blame Satan for all the bad stuff but is God so weak that Satan seems to be winning? And don't come back with 'free will' because it's nowhere in the bible. Touch a hot stove once, get burned and you will never touch it again. In other words, we learn from our mistakes. That works if individualism is the only thing that exists. But Cain's words 'am I my brother's keeper?' mean that we also must be responsible for the mistakes of others, even when they aren't mistakes. So what value does pain have as teacher, except as an excuse to those who enjoy inflicting it and say that God does too? We are only responsible for our own mistakes, but there's nothing wrong with helping others who make those same mistakes. If they don't want help, then it's on them. Edgar Cayce said the best way to get to heaven is on the arm of someone you've helped. Helping rich people means cajoling and bribing them. Helping poor people means inflicting pain until they conform to the standards hypocritically set up by the rich. If the proponents of spirituality are to be believed, then heaven only consists of rich people and those loyal to them. Again, why bother? |
Victor Vectors
User ID: 71388910 United States 03/27/2021 06:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let's talk about mankind And why he doesn't seem to ever help people in need, especially children. Assuming mankind is real, how can he let people suffer so much? No loving race would do that. All the wars, murders, rapes and diseases and mankind barely lifts a finger to help anyone. Religions always blame Satan for all the bad stuff but is mankind so weak that Satan seems to be winning? And don't come back with 'free will' because it's nowhere in the bible. |
IfYouInsist
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NDFarm
(OP) User ID: 78893393 United States 03/27/2021 06:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Everyone has their favorite and everyone thinks their religion is the true one and the only path to heaven. They also kill to make it so. How do you absolve them of that, other than to say: judge not? And that's the sad part of religion. "My God Is better than your God. And I'll have to kill you to save you from being in the wrong religion ". |
IfYouInsist
User ID: 41011373 United States 03/27/2021 07:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Everyone has their favorite and everyone thinks their religion is the true one and the only path to heaven. They also kill to make it so. How do you absolve them of that, other than to say: judge not? And that's the sad part of religion. "My God Is better than your God. And I'll have to kill you to save you from being in the wrong religion ". No, the sad part is that it is only second-order tribalism. There's no actual divine experience or yearning behind that attitude, and the willingness to trust that there is leads to a person becoming so injured that they cannot survive without the community. And that's the point. Given that not only is this how everyone operates, but that they have also brutally destroyed every alternative, to what exactly are you appealing to call it sad? People are being destroyed as groups because they wouldn't have it any other way, and wouldn't allow anyone else to either. Last Edited by IfYouInsist on 03/27/2021 07:03 PM |
canyouhearmenow?
User ID: 70603185 United States 03/27/2021 07:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Which one? There are hundreds. Quoting: Victor Vectors Oh, sorry, I'm wrong the Hindu's have 330 million gods. Good luck learning their names in one lifetime. Which One died for you? (you do have a point....after all, Elijah, from the Old Testament, challenged approximately 850 priests and their gods....) it was riveting. Last Edited by ShiningLightIntoDarkPlaces on 03/27/2021 07:19 PM "Common sense and a sense of humor are the same thing, moving at different speeds. A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing." -Clive James Miss Trump yet? LET IT RAIN. |
AlwaysBlazed
User ID: 80178983 United States 03/27/2021 07:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let's talk about mankind Quoting: Victor Vectors And why he doesn't seem to ever help people in need, especially children. Assuming mankind is real, how can he let people suffer so much? No loving race would do that. All the wars, murders, rapes and diseases and mankind barely lifts a finger to help anyone. Religions always blame Satan for all the bad stuff but is mankind so weak that Satan seems to be winning? And don't come back with 'free will' because it's nowhere in the bible. Lol. Takes One to know One. |
canyouhearmenow?
User ID: 70603185 United States 03/27/2021 07:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Catnip Touch a hot stove once, get burned and you will never touch it again. In other words, we learn from our mistakes. That works if individualism is the only thing that exists. But Cain's words 'am I my brother's keeper?' mean that we also must be responsible for the mistakes of others, even when they aren't mistakes. So what value does pain have as teacher, except as an excuse to those who enjoy inflicting it and say that God does too? We are only responsible for our own mistakes, but there's nothing wrong with helping others who make those same mistakes. If they don't want help, then it's on them. Edgar Cayce said the best way to get to heaven is on the arm of someone you've helped. Helping rich people means cajoling and bribing them. Helping poor people means inflicting pain until they conform to the standards hypocritically set up by the rich. If the proponents of spirituality are to be believed, then heaven only consists of rich people and those loyal to them. Again, why bother? How, pray tell, did you come to that conclusion? "Common sense and a sense of humor are the same thing, moving at different speeds. A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing." -Clive James Miss Trump yet? LET IT RAIN. |
BroDude
User ID: 78174005 United States 03/27/2021 07:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And why he doesn't seem to ever help people in need, especially children. Assuming God is real, how can he let people suffer so much? No loving God would do that. All the wars, murders, rapes and diseases and God never lifts a finger to help anyone. Quoting: NDFarm Religions always blame Satan for all the bad stuff but is God so weak that Satan seems to be winning? And don't come back with 'free will' because it's nowhere in the bible. Let me let you in on a secret. But you can't tell anyone okay? God doesn't experience time the way we do. How quickly has 2 days gone by for you? 2 days goes by quick. 2 days ago in God's "time", Christ was getting nailed to the cross. Less than 2 weeks ago in God's "time" he made Adam and Eve. Since I've been born, something like 40 seconds have passed for God. |
Eireann
User ID: 79722836 Ireland 03/27/2021 07:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And why he doesn't seem to ever help people in need, especially children. Assuming God is real, how can he let people suffer so much? No loving God would do that. All the wars, murders, rapes and diseases and God never lifts a finger to help anyone. Quoting: NDFarm Religions always blame Satan for all the bad stuff but is God so weak that Satan seems to be winning? And don't come back with 'free will' because it's nowhere in the bible. Are your arms broken? Have you been made mute that you can't speak out about these things? God empowers people to act. When was the last time you prayed for a sick child or knelt in prayer for the betterment of yourself to be more open to the opportunities around you to do good? Ora et Labora = pray and work. That is how God gets things done. He is not going to magically wave his hand and make us stop hurting each other. Free will and all of that. We have to do that. Eireann~ I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. - Galatians 2:20 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80164895 United States 03/27/2021 07:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Everyone has their favorite and everyone thinks their religion is the true one and the only path to heaven. your religion as Jesus taught is YOUR PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with the Indwelling Father.. and this must be concepted at some point.. religions are mind control mechanisms.. and nothing more. And this guy is fake as shit.. OK.. it doesn't not exist. Hell does not exist...:NOT GOD: |
LightYeti
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IfYouInsist
User ID: 41011373 United States 03/27/2021 07:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: IfYouInsist That works if individualism is the only thing that exists. But Cain's words 'am I my brother's keeper?' mean that we also must be responsible for the mistakes of others, even when they aren't mistakes. So what value does pain have as teacher, except as an excuse to those who enjoy inflicting it and say that God does too? We are only responsible for our own mistakes, but there's nothing wrong with helping others who make those same mistakes. If they don't want help, then it's on them. Edgar Cayce said the best way to get to heaven is on the arm of someone you've helped. Helping rich people means cajoling and bribing them. Helping poor people means inflicting pain until they conform to the standards hypocritically set up by the rich. If the proponents of spirituality are to be believed, then heaven only consists of rich people and those loyal to them. Again, why bother? How, pray tell, did you come to that conclusion? Because karma and prana combine to conceptually excuse all inequality in the original way they are used. The argument is a vicious circle, and is meant to snare anyone engaging in it with a daisy chain of thought-killing cliches until they are exhausted and can be absorbed or exterminated. Moving on to the Buddhist, the desire to end inequality is then mae *the* cause of suffering, inverting cause and effect while accusing its victims of doing the same. The major modes of spirituality have had thousands of years to effect even a local enlightenment, and have failed miserably. Either that is because they don't work, or because they weren't intended to work, just to humor people until this brief lifespan is over. Sure, it's negative and nihilistic, but those are ultimately just slogans and smears for people who stop playing ball once the same personality has monopolized every other way of doing things. Is my heart failing? Then why spend the rest of my life reading texts that give bad advice? Am I dying? Then why spend the rest of my life listening to those fanatics and hardened liars who took so much of it away by force and fraud? Selfishness and malice are not the same thing. And I'm definitely not an evil person. So why bother? |
canyouhearmenow?
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NDFarm
(OP) User ID: 78893393 United States 03/27/2021 07:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And why he doesn't seem to ever help people in need, especially children. Assuming God is real, how can he let people suffer so much? No loving God would do that. All the wars, murders, rapes and diseases and God never lifts a finger to help anyone. Quoting: NDFarm Religions always blame Satan for all the bad stuff but is God so weak that Satan seems to be winning? And don't come back with 'free will' because it's nowhere in the bible. Are your arms broken? Have you been made mute that you can't speak out about these things? God empowers people to act. When was the last time you prayed for a sick child or knelt in prayer for the betterment of yourself to be more open to the opportunities around you to do good? Ora et Labora = pray and work. That is how God gets things done. He is not going to magically wave his hand and make us stop hurting each other. Free will and all of that. We have to do that. Like I said free will is nowhere in the bible. It's always used as an excuse for God not helping anyone. |
IfYouInsist
User ID: 41011373 United States 03/27/2021 07:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | God doesn't work like an omnipotent anthropomorphized overlord. God is a frequency one tunes in to. Do any of the trafficked children know how to feel anything but fear or any of the lower emotions/ negative vibrations? Quoting: LightYeti Didn't they *choose* precisely this life? Or wasn't it the result of karma from a previous one? |
Victor Vectors
User ID: 71388910 United States 03/27/2021 08:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let's talk about mankind Quoting: Victor Vectors And why he doesn't seem to ever help people in need, especially children. Assuming mankind is real, how can he let people suffer so much? No loving race would do that. All the wars, murders, rapes and diseases and mankind barely lifts a finger to help anyone. Religions always blame Satan for all the bad stuff but is mankind so weak that Satan seems to be winning? And don't come back with 'free will' because it's nowhere in the bible. Lol. Takes One to know One. As with the original complaint by the OP original poster. You are correct. Cop a clue Bones.... The Mirror Principle [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
Victor Vectors
User ID: 71388910 United States 03/27/2021 08:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Which one? There are hundreds. Quoting: Victor Vectors Oh, sorry, I'm wrong the Hindu's have 330 million gods. Good luck learning their names in one lifetime. Which One died for you? (you do have a point....after all, Elijah, from the Old Testament, challenged approximately 850 priests and their gods....) it was riveting. God does not die. |
Baloney
User ID: 75923721 United States 03/27/2021 08:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Everyone has their favorite and everyone thinks their religion is the true one and the only path to heaven. your religion as Jesus taught is YOUR PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with the Indwelling Father.. and this must be concepted at some point.. religions are mind control mechanisms.. and nothing more. And this guy is fake as shit.. OK.. it doesn't not exist. Hell does not exist...: NOPE. urantia cult is mind control mechanisms...and nothing more. this must be concepted at some point. The urantian gawd is what is fake as shit. along with his fake multiple sons that do not exist. Hell most certainly does exist. THIS IS NOT GOD |
IfYouInsist
User ID: 41011373 United States 03/27/2021 08:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let's talk about mankind Quoting: Victor Vectors And why he doesn't seem to ever help people in need, especially children. Assuming mankind is real, how can he let people suffer so much? No loving race would do that. All the wars, murders, rapes and diseases and mankind barely lifts a finger to help anyone. Religions always blame Satan for all the bad stuff but is mankind so weak that Satan seems to be winning? And don't come back with 'free will' because it's nowhere in the bible. Lol. Takes One to know One. As with the original complaint by the OP original poster. You are correct. Cop a clue Bones.... The Mirror Principle [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] You need to establish that this 'mirror principle' isn't inverting cause and effect. Someone horrifically harms a baby; are you saying that the baby's mental state brought it on? It would seem that abuse creates a negative mental state, rather than corresponding to it. It would also seem that this would be an argument favored by abusers who need a new argument as to why they are allowed to inflict violence on people. |
Victor Vectors
User ID: 71388910 United States 03/27/2021 08:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let's talk about mankind Quoting: Victor Vectors And why he doesn't seem to ever help people in need, especially children. Assuming mankind is real, how can he let people suffer so much? No loving race would do that. All the wars, murders, rapes and diseases and mankind barely lifts a finger to help anyone. Religions always blame Satan for all the bad stuff but is mankind so weak that Satan seems to be winning? And don't come back with 'free will' because it's nowhere in the bible. Lol. Takes One to know One. As with the original complaint by the OP original poster. You are correct. Cop a clue Bones.... The Mirror Principle [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] You need to establish that this 'mirror principle' isn't inverting cause and effect. Someone horrifically harms a baby; are you saying that the baby's mental state brought it on? It would seem that abuse creates a negative mental state, rather than corresponding to it. It would also seem that this would be an argument favored by abusers who need a new argument as to why they are allowed to inflict violence on people. I have said nothing, the author is in the video. The mirror in this case genius is mankind to mankind..... The original OP is complaining about God, God does not do these things mankind does. So the mirror here is obvious if you see, you do not see. |
IfYouInsist
User ID: 41011373 United States 03/27/2021 08:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As with the original complaint by the OP original poster. You are correct. Cop a clue Bones.... The Mirror Principle [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] You need to establish that this 'mirror principle' isn't inverting cause and effect. Someone horrifically harms a baby; are you saying that the baby's mental state brought it on? It would seem that abuse creates a negative mental state, rather than corresponding to it. It would also seem that this would be an argument favored by abusers who need a new argument as to why they are allowed to inflict violence on people. I have said nothing, the author is in the video. The mirror in this case genius is mankind to mankind..... The original OP is complaining about God, God does not do these things mankind does. So the mirror here is obvious if you see, you do not see. Yeah, the subject of Psalm 18 and 2 Samuel 22. I *get* it. Kind to the kind, cruel to the cruel, shrewd to the clever, etc. The viewpoint of the shudra class is not included in the Vedas; the viewpoint of the Canaanites is not included in the Bible, etc. The complaints against the group are deferred to God, and then the fact of it being a complaint is called blasphemy. Inverting cause and effect strike me as an incredibly useful strategy for group control, especially where a hierarchy is involved. But are those members at the top of the hierarchy accountable? Because religion would have us believe they are accountable to God, and that is where the genuine blame comes in. Shouldn't God respond faster than the courts do, and with absolutely no injustice whatever? |
Victor Vectors
User ID: 71388910 United States 03/27/2021 08:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You can get really pissed at the person or thing making the shadows on the pool bottom until you realize it is you making the shadows by disturbing the waters or fabric of life.. Ripple Reflections #2 With Joy [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Your ripples count make the right ones with love....... |
Victor Vectors
User ID: 71388910 United States 03/27/2021 08:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Victor Vectors As with the original complaint by the OP original poster. You are correct. Cop a clue Bones.... The Mirror Principle [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] You need to establish that this 'mirror principle' isn't inverting cause and effect. Someone horrifically harms a baby; are you saying that the baby's mental state brought it on? It would seem that abuse creates a negative mental state, rather than corresponding to it. It would also seem that this would be an argument favored by abusers who need a new argument as to why they are allowed to inflict violence on people. I have said nothing, the author is in the video. The mirror in this case genius is mankind to mankind..... The original OP is complaining about God, God does not do these things mankind does. So the mirror here is obvious if you see, you do not see. Yeah, the subject of Psalm 18 and 2 Samuel 22. I *get* it. Kind to the kind, cruel to the cruel, shrewd to the clever, etc. The viewpoint of the shudra class is not included in the Vedas; the viewpoint of the Canaanites is not included in the Bible, etc. The complaints against the group are deferred to God, and then the fact of it being a complaint is called blasphemy. Inverting cause and effect strike me as an incredibly useful strategy for group control, especially where a hierarchy is involved. But are those members at the top of the hierarchy accountable? Because religion would have us believe they are accountable to God, and that is where the genuine blame comes in. Shouldn't God respond faster than the courts do, and with absolutely no injustice whatever? When or where or who established the God we are talking about in this thread? Did You? I did not. Many consider themselves undeveloped Gods. |
IfYouInsist
User ID: 41011373 United States 03/27/2021 08:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One can complain to whomever as long as however about the damn moving shadows on the pool bottom in otherwise still water. Quoting: Victor Vectors You can get really pissed at the person or thing making the shadows on the pool bottom until you realize it is you making the shadows by disturbing the waters or fabric of life.. Ripple Reflections #2 With Joy [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Your ripples count make the right ones with love....... Translation: "The way *we* do things is nature itself, against which your actions and even your existence present an alien, unnatural intrusion." Tribalism in a nutshell. Which would be fine, since I could always bring my business elsewhere. But the business of tribalism is slavery, and the purview of tribalism's God is the universe. I wonder how many objectively good people have been hounded to death by people claiming to be their reflection, mocking them like in "A Cask of Amontillado" for reasons which are very earthly and material. |
IfYouInsist
User ID: 41011373 United States 03/27/2021 08:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: IfYouInsist You need to establish that this 'mirror principle' isn't inverting cause and effect. Someone horrifically harms a baby; are you saying that the baby's mental state brought it on? It would seem that abuse creates a negative mental state, rather than corresponding to it. It would also seem that this would be an argument favored by abusers who need a new argument as to why they are allowed to inflict violence on people. I have said nothing, the author is in the video. The mirror in this case genius is mankind to mankind..... The original OP is complaining about God, God does not do these things mankind does. So the mirror here is obvious if you see, you do not see. Yeah, the subject of Psalm 18 and 2 Samuel 22. I *get* it. Kind to the kind, cruel to the cruel, shrewd to the clever, etc. The viewpoint of the shudra class is not included in the Vedas; the viewpoint of the Canaanites is not included in the Bible, etc. The complaints against the group are deferred to God, and then the fact of it being a complaint is called blasphemy. Inverting cause and effect strike me as an incredibly useful strategy for group control, especially where a hierarchy is involved. But are those members at the top of the hierarchy accountable? Because religion would have us believe they are accountable to God, and that is where the genuine blame comes in. Shouldn't God respond faster than the courts do, and with absolutely no injustice whatever? When or where or who established the God we are talking about in this thread? Did You? I did not. Many consider themselves undeveloped Gods. All known gods have a domain. They control something. Usually someone. Energy and thus status being conserved, who is made a slave or subhuman so that someone else can be a god? |
Victor Vectors
User ID: 71388910 United States 03/27/2021 08:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One can complain to whomever as long as however about the damn moving shadows on the pool bottom in otherwise still water. Quoting: Victor Vectors You can get really pissed at the person or thing making the shadows on the pool bottom until you realize it is you making the shadows by disturbing the waters or fabric of life.. Ripple Reflections #2 With Joy [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Your ripples count make the right ones with love....... Translation: "The way *we* do things is nature itself, against which your actions and even your existence present an alien, unnatural intrusion." Tribalism in a nutshell. Which would be fine, since I could always bring my business elsewhere. But the business of tribalism is slavery, and the purview of tribalism's God is the universe. I wonder how many objectively good people have been hounded to death by people claiming to be their reflection, mocking them like in "A Cask of Amontillado" for reasons which are very earthly and material. Listen to your complaint. You have never been outside of the Universe in thought. This is one of countless Creations. You chose to be here against the Father's will. So grab your balls and stop the phucking denial and belly aching. IF IT IS SO PHUCKING BAD, FIX IT! You get home the only Way I know through the Christ. The Christ knows the Way, make His Way your Way. The Grateful Dead Ripple [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |