Godlike Productions - Discussion Forum
Users Online Now: 1,692 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 210,393
Pageviews Today: 342,558Threads Today: 112Posts Today: 1,877
04:26 AM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

Dr. Chester Southam - injected live cancer cells into unconsenting patients

 
beeches

User ID: 78973486
United States
03/23/2021 06:44 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Dr. Chester Southam - injected live cancer cells into unconsenting patients
name ring a bell anyone?

I knew about this story from a family member of his.


Dr. Chester Southam injected live cancer cells into 22 elderly patients at get lost Chronic Disease Hospital in Brooklyn. After being rebuffed by his institution, Sloan-Kettering, he convinced Dr. Emanuel Mandel at get lost Chronic Disease. He sought to learn whether people who were debilitated by cancer could reject cancer cells. None of the patients were informed about the risks — and were never informed that the experiment involved injecting live cancer cells. Several doctors told Southam they did not want their patients experimented on — but he used them anyway.

Three whistleblowers — Drs. Avir Kagan, David Leichter and Perry Fersko — refused to participate in the experiment. They complained to the NYS Board of Regents and to a hospital board member, William Hyman, who was a lawyer. Hyman accused Drs. Southam and Mandel of acting like Nazi doctors: “I don’t want Nazi practices of using human beings as experimental guinea pigs.” The whistleblowers resigned their position, and went public — which proved to be most effective. State attorney General Louis Lefkowitz who read about Southam’s research via the media, accused him of fraud and unprofessional conduct and demanded that the Board of Regents suspend his medical license. Lefkowitz wrote:

Every human being has an inalienable right to determine what shall be done with his own body. These patients then had a right to know the contents of the syringe: and if this knowledge was to cause fear and anxiety or make them frightened, they had a right to be fearful and frightened and thus say NO to the experiment. (Oxford Textbook of Clinical Research Ethics, 2008)

red bolded is not really the name of the hospital, but it won't print here.
that is how it appeared... I would never do that!

[link to ahrp.org (secure)]

Last Edited by beeches on 03/23/2021 08:09 PM
Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell
beeches  (OP)

User ID: 78973486
United States
03/23/2021 06:46 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Dr. Chester Southam - injected live cancer cells into unconsenting patients
His role in injecting live cancer cells in multiple patients many times over his research career

led to the idea of formal informed consent.


an article from a few years back:

[link to nypost.com (secure)]


The front-page headline of the New York World-Telegram on Jan. 20, 1964 shocked readers: “Charge Hospital Shot Live Cancer Cells Into Patients.”

The stunning accusation was that Brooklyn’s get lost Chronic Disease Hospital, a facility known for serving an elderly population and those in need of long-term physical care, was “conducting cancer experiments on unsuspecting non-cancerous patients.”


again, that is not really the name. It won't print here.

Last Edited by beeches on 03/23/2021 08:38 PM
Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell
beeches  (OP)

User ID: 78973486
United States
03/23/2021 06:49 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Dr. Chester Southam - injected live cancer cells into unconsenting patients
the article is long and worth reading. When the author asks Dr. Southam if he had any regrets, the response was:


Thirty years later, Southam remained convinced his research was both sound and scientifically important. He was unwavering in his belief that none of the patients injected with the cancer cells would contract the disease.

When I asked, “What if they had?” he calmly replied, “If they did, we’d just cut it out.”


Over the decades there have been numerous instances of equally cavalier researchers involved in unethical experimentation. Be it in mental asylums, orphanages, prisons, hospitals or the military, the lives of ill informed and vulnerable test subjects have been routinely placed at risk. And all too often those who knew better and could have prevented or stopped egregious and injurious acts remained silent.

Pity that more doctors didn’t follow the example of three Brooklyn physicians who knew right from wrong, understood what was ethical and what was not, and had the courage to say, “No, I will not place a patient at risk.”
Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell
Altodude777

User ID: 79912565
United States
03/23/2021 07:09 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Dr. Chester Southam - injected live cancer cells into unconsenting patients
Was the hospital really called “ get lost “ or are we not allowed to say the J word anymore?
WiscoSteve
Professional Shitpost Spotter

User ID: 76903646
United States
03/23/2021 07:25 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Dr. Chester Southam - injected live cancer cells into unconsenting patients
Wow, that is shocking!!!

What a sick FUCK!

These sick freaks invade EVERY part of our society now.





.
ElleMira

User ID: 76494359
United States
03/23/2021 07:25 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Dr. Chester Southam - injected live cancer cells into unconsenting patients
fivestars
pine
beeches  (OP)

User ID: 78973486
United States
03/23/2021 07:43 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Dr. Chester Southam - injected live cancer cells into unconsenting patients
Was the hospital really called “ get lost “ or are we not allowed to say the J word anymore?
 Quoting: Altodude777


thank you for letting me understand why this would not post the first time around. . .
Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell
beeches  (OP)

User ID: 78973486
United States
03/23/2021 07:45 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Dr. Chester Southam - injected live cancer cells into unconsenting patients
Wow, that is shocking!!!

What a sick FUCK!

These sick freaks invade EVERY part of our society now.





.
 Quoting: WiscoSteve


this was in the 1960s.... I wish I could say that informed consent was the bedrock of medical practice


up til Covid, I would have said it was.... now I know it is absolutely NOT of concern nowadays.
Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell
beeches  (OP)

User ID: 78973486
United States
03/23/2021 07:46 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Dr. Chester Southam - injected live cancer cells into unconsenting patients
fivestars
pine
 Quoting: ElleMira


Thank you, very much!
Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell
beeches  (OP)

User ID: 78973486
United States
03/23/2021 07:47 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Dr. Chester Southam - injected live cancer cells into unconsenting patients
[link to www.nytimes.com (secure)]

his obit no mention of his role.....



Wiki a bit more meaty:

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]


Chester Milton Southam (October 4, 1919 – April 5, 2002)[1] was an immunologist and oncologist at Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center and Cornell University Medical College; he went to Thomas Jefferson University in 1971 and worked there until the end of his career.[1] He ran many experiments involving the injection of live cancer cells into human subjects, without disclosing that they were cancer cells, and using subjects with questionable ability to consent, such as incarcerated people and senile patients in long-term care at a hospital.[2] The New York State Attorney General encouraged the Board of Regents of the University of the State of New York to take away Southam's medical license.[2] Regardless, he went on to be president of the American Association for Cancer Research.

In the 1950s, Southam also tested the West Nile Virus as a potential virotherapy; he injected it into over 100 cancer patients who had terminal cancer and few treatment options.[11] This work had some good results and was also reported in The New York Times, but some people he injected got severe cases of West Nile fever; he went on to do further research to see if he could "train" the virus to kill cancer without the common side effects of chemotherapy.[11]

Southam was later elected president of the American Association for Cancer Research.[11] In 1971, Southam left his positions at Memorial Sloan Kettering and Cornell and became an attending physician in the Department of Medicine and Head of the Division of Medical Oncology at Thomas Jefferson University Hospital and a professor of medicine at Thomas Jefferson University Medical College; he held these positions until the end of his career in 1979

Last Edited by beeches on 03/23/2021 07:51 PM
Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell
1guynAz

User ID: 2229693
United States
03/23/2021 07:49 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Dr. Chester Southam - injected live cancer cells into unconsenting patients
Quack doctors need to be made an example of...but that

would involve the whole medical and pharmaceutical industry huh?

Oh well!

Bring back the death penalty--in an expedient fashion

for these types of cases...
Living has taught me one thing; nothing is certain...except salvation through Jesus Christ!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 73720444
United States
03/23/2021 07:51 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Dr. Chester Southam - injected live cancer cells into unconsenting patients
What could they possibly discover that would be helpful from broken souls?

They should try to find out what happiness, living healthy, sunshine, and good food with nice people does for the body.

Why not give people joy?

It’s like Monster’s Inc. laughter eludes them and dancing dismays.
beeches  (OP)

User ID: 78973486
United States
03/23/2021 07:52 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Dr. Chester Southam - injected live cancer cells into unconsenting patients
Quack doctors need to be made an example of...but that

would involve the whole medical and pharmaceutical industry huh?

Oh well!

Bring back the death penalty--in an expedient fashion

for these types of cases...
 Quoting: 1guynAz


gimme an F, gimme an A, gimme a U
Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell
Tex the Neanderthal

User ID: 79042432
United States
03/23/2021 07:58 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Dr. Chester Southam - injected live cancer cells into unconsenting patients
shocking!
beeches  (OP)

User ID: 78973486
United States
03/23/2021 08:02 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Dr. Chester Southam - injected live cancer cells into unconsenting patients
the thing I can't tell you because it offends somehow, is that a hospital run by the victims of Nazi Germany

LET HIM DO THE EXPERIMENTS


His home institution, Memorial Sloan-Kettering, refused to.

but he found a nice cozy spot and the docs he recruited to carry out the injections were of the type Nazis hated,too...


3 of 4 said NO

one went ahead, sealing the fate of Dr. Southam in the annals of American medical history.

the three told the media, which at the time, had morals.

the articles in New York City newspapers forced the state to take action.
Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell
beeches  (OP)

User ID: 78973486
United States
03/23/2021 08:11 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Dr. Chester Southam - injected live cancer cells into unconsenting patients
Was the hospital really called “ get lost “ or are we not allowed to say the J word anymore?
 Quoting: Altodude777


I did not get what you are referring to til now.... so odd!


I am proud of any group that made hospitals for themselves and others....

so much of lung disease care was done by that group - due to the high rates of tuberculosis in the horrible living conditions they had in Europe.


oh well.

want to give credit where it is due.
Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell
Coming Into Existence

User ID: 16476021
United States
03/23/2021 08:21 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Dr. Chester Southam - injected live cancer cells into unconsenting patients
name ring a bell anyone?

I knew about this story from a family member of his.


Dr. Chester Southam injected live cancer cells into 22 elderly patients at get lost Chronic Disease Hospital in Brooklyn. After being rebuffed by his institution, Sloan-Kettering, he convinced Dr. Emanuel Mandel at get lost Chronic Disease. He sought to learn whether people who were debilitated by cancer could reject cancer cells. None of the patients were informed about the risks — and were never informed that the experiment involved injecting live cancer cells. Several doctors told Southam they did not want their patients experimented on — but he used them anyway.

Three whistleblowers — Drs. Avir Kagan, David Leichter and Perry Fersko — refused to participate in the experiment. They complained to the NYS Board of Regents and to a hospital board member, William Hyman, who was a lawyer. Hyman accused Drs. Southam and Mandel of acting like Nazi doctors: “I don’t want Nazi practices of using human beings as experimental guinea pigs.” The whistleblowers resigned their position, and went public — which proved to be most effective. State attorney General Louis Lefkowitz who read about Southam’s research via the media, accused him of fraud and unprofessional conduct and demanded that the Board of Regents suspend his medical license. Lefkowitz wrote:

Every human being has an inalienable right to determine what shall be done with his own body. These patients then had a right to know the contents of the syringe: and if this knowledge was to cause fear and anxiety or make them frightened, they had a right to be fearful and frightened and thus say NO to the experiment. (Oxford Textbook of Clinical Research Ethics, 2008)

red bolded is not really the name of the hospital, but it won't print here.
that is how it appeared... I would never do that!

[link to ahrp.org (secure)]
 Quoting: beeches


Bold is why mandatory vaccines that is not approved by the fda becomes global experiment. Big parallel there.
ElleMira

User ID: 76494359
United States
03/23/2021 08:31 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Dr. Chester Southam - injected live cancer cells into unconsenting patients
fivestars
pine
 Quoting: ElleMira


Thank you, very much!
 Quoting: beeches


thumbs
beeches  (OP)

User ID: 78973486
United States
03/23/2021 08:33 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Dr. Chester Southam - injected live cancer cells into unconsenting patients
Thank you for the pin!


my goal is to make people aware that medicine is NOT always safe to trust,

has NOT been for a very long time.

Last Edited by beeches on 03/23/2021 08:34 PM
Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell
Trained NoticerModerator
Forum Moderator

User ID: 76014573
United States
03/23/2021 08:38 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Dr. Chester Southam - injected live cancer cells into unconsenting patients
fifestars
For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible. (Stuart Chase)

It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. (Mark Twain)
Agent 99

User ID: 77082640
United States
03/23/2021 08:40 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Dr. Chester Southam - injected live cancer cells into unconsenting patients
That's worse than the fertility doc who injected his own sperm into a bunch of women. Um. I dunno. Maybe not worse.

Last Edited by Agent 99 on 03/23/2021 08:40 PM
beeches  (OP)

User ID: 78973486
United States
03/23/2021 08:42 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Dr. Chester Southam - injected live cancer cells into unconsenting patients
That's worse than the fertility doc who injected his own sperm into a bunch of women. Um. I dunno. Maybe not worse.
 Quoting: Agent 99


you always make me think and sometimes laugh!


love you



imagine not knowing if the man you were planning to marry was your half brother.... or vice versa...
Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell
Trained NoticerModerator
Forum Moderator

User ID: 76014573
United States
03/23/2021 08:42 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Dr. Chester Southam - injected live cancer cells into unconsenting patients
That's worse than the fertility doc who injected his own sperm into a bunch of women. Um. I dunno. Maybe not worse.
 Quoting: Agent 99


Pretty worse, I think.

bf11a
For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible. (Stuart Chase)

It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. (Mark Twain)
beeches  (OP)

User ID: 78973486
United States
03/23/2021 08:44 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Dr. Chester Southam - injected live cancer cells into unconsenting patients
That's worse than the fertility doc who injected his own sperm into a bunch of women. Um. I dunno. Maybe not worse.
 Quoting: Agent 99


Pretty worse, I think.

bf11a
 Quoting: Trained Noticer


well Barney, stop and think, if you happened to get betrothed to a sweetie that turned out to be your half-sister by this clown, that would be pretty bad too!
Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell
Trained NoticerModerator
Forum Moderator

User ID: 76014573
United States
03/23/2021 08:50 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Dr. Chester Southam - injected live cancer cells into unconsenting patients
That's worse than the fertility doc who injected his own sperm into a bunch of women. Um. I dunno. Maybe not worse.
 Quoting: Agent 99


Pretty worse, I think.

bf11a
 Quoting: Trained Noticer


well Barney, stop and think, if you happened to get betrothed to a sweetie that turned out to be your half-sister by this clown, that would be pretty bad too!
 Quoting: beeches


beeches, you're creepin me out...

bf509
For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible. (Stuart Chase)

It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. (Mark Twain)
beeches  (OP)

User ID: 78973486
United States
03/23/2021 08:59 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Dr. Chester Southam - injected live cancer cells into unconsenting patients
That's worse than the fertility doc who injected his own sperm into a bunch of women. Um. I dunno. Maybe not worse.
 Quoting: Agent 99


Pretty worse, I think.

bf11a
 Quoting: Trained Noticer


well Barney, stop and think, if you happened to get betrothed to a sweetie that turned out to be your half-sister by this clown, that would be pretty bad too!
 Quoting: beeches


beeches, you're creepin me out...

bf509
 Quoting: Trained Noticer


Not my goal!


reminds me of the German joke-

a girl comes to her mother crying, says "Father told me I can't be friends with a boy I like ... he told me that he was the father of that boy!"

the mother smiles and says:
"so what? Kiss the boy if you want. Your father is not your father..."
Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell
Agent 99

User ID: 77082640
United States
03/23/2021 09:01 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Dr. Chester Southam - injected live cancer cells into unconsenting patients
Doctors playing God. SMH.
beeches  (OP)

User ID: 78973486
United States
03/23/2021 09:06 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Dr. Chester Southam - injected live cancer cells into unconsenting patients
Doctors playing God. SMH.
 Quoting: Agent 99


and the joke to that, reported by a doc in the family-


one day an angel saw God with a stethoscope around His neck and asked what was going on.


God replied

oh I'm just playing doctor.
Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell
WHEEZY

User ID: 79523000
United States
03/23/2021 09:23 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Dr. Chester Southam - injected live cancer cells into unconsenting patients
That's worse than the fertility doc who injected his own sperm into a bunch of women. Um. I dunno. Maybe not worse.
 Quoting: Agent 99



imagine not knowing if the man you were planning to marry was your half brother.... or vice versa...
 Quoting: beeches


With so many thousands of women artificially inseminated there
is a great chance that this has happened already..Probably having children with all kinds of problems...Ugh.
FOUR TERMS FOR OUR PRESIDENT!
beeches  (OP)

User ID: 78973486
United States
03/23/2021 09:24 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Dr. Chester Southam - injected live cancer cells into unconsenting patients
That's worse than the fertility doc who injected his own sperm into a bunch of women. Um. I dunno. Maybe not worse.
 Quoting: Agent 99



imagine not knowing if the man you were planning to marry was your half brother.... or vice versa...
 Quoting: beeches


With so many thousands of women artificially inseminated there
is a great chance that this has happened already..Probably having children with all kinds of problems...Ugh.
 Quoting: WHEEZY


I know. what a crummy thing he did.
Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell
piratedon

User ID: 72624776
New Zealand
03/23/2021 09:38 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Dr. Chester Southam - injected live cancer cells into unconsenting patients
I assume the a relevance of your thread is the declared, established right to informed consent, being able to withhold consent and deny any injection.

[link to hnewswire.com (secure)]
piratedon





GLP