I don't believe that they are dead. I'm sorry, I just don't. The thing about secret societies is, the golden rule is to always put the truth out into the open - it does not need to be believed, judged, or even listened to. It just needs to be out in the open. Whether this rule is some way to avoid karmic debt, I'm not certain, but these two were definitely revealing the truth, and were definitely high up in whatever society they came from. (Definitely not freemasons). Regardless of where they came from, I liked them. So wherever you are, BAL and Kim, thank you.