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(OP) User ID: 80037766 United States 03/20/2021 07:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What if no one ever talked about those types of experiences, and other's then weren't exposed to the possibility? How would we grow?.... Because you know, noting the words of the group Live in the song "I Alone"-- The greatest of teachers won't hesitate, to leave you there, by yourself, chained to fate. We often many of us question where is God in all this mess we're in....this godlessness creeping around us, all the time....don't many of us? No, we need to talk among ourselves and stretch our ways off (EDIT: funny typo I'm going to leave, should be "of") thinking....because you know, there's scientists saying there's nothing else but DOOM for Humanity at the rate we're going. We're slowly killing ourselves and allowing ourselves to be killed....because we are entrained from birth that this is all there is. We have to do something different....we need to cooperate with one another, on everything. We need not to be coveting our own personal wisdom, long hard fought to achieve. We need to be sharing what we've learned. Other's may and will likely benefit. Last Edited by cosmicgypsy on 03/20/2021 07:35 PM You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. -Buckminster Fuller ...I adapt to the unknown, under wandering stars I've grown, by myself, but not alone... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77640440 United States 03/20/2021 07:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I talked to CF on the phone a bit ago. I asked him if he knew of anyone reverse engineering mathematics.....crickets for a few moments....heh. Quoting: cosmicgypsy Is this just a bizarre inquiry on my part?....because I'm suspecting everyone is going to say, like CF, that mathematics is an absolute. But what if all that we know about math is just another descriptor of this reality realm, but is not a descriptor of outside the reality realm?....:shrug: Although, if I remember correctly, I think Hoffman said that consciousness existing outside this reality is mathematically provable....I think. I'm pretty sure he wants mathematical proof about everything he researches and explores. I'll have to be mindful to pay attention to that part. There's a lot I need to pay attention to while watching it again. I'm gonna need me a pencil and some paper.... I'm missing some context because I haven't watched the video yet. But in regards to the maths, what I've seen is it struggles to define reality because it is too rigid. Too unyielding. It doesn't have the flexibility to produce clear definitions that match our experiences. If you make a mistake in a very long math equation, the end result is usually off. And much back checking is required to find the error. Sometimes you have to use other math to fact-check the equation and ensure you have arrived at the correct conclusion. It could be that our understanding of the math is still in it's infancy. Historical mathematicians would cover entire rooms with blackboards to scribe their formulas, then ponder them endlessly, as if playing them out in their head. Some mathematicians could see numbers the way Mozart could see music. I think a lot of that tactile experience has been lost in this computer age. We rely on the machine for a result instead of the personal and visceral experience of finding the conclusion on our own. |
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(OP) User ID: 80037766 United States 03/20/2021 07:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | great thread, thanks OP Quoting: ThePassenger All is about in-formation in this fake world. It is a "thoughts fight" between powers to use our true power of manifestation. We are a tool and a NPC until we wake up. Then begin a long journey to stop feeding the illusion. Meditation is a good start to quiet the mind but it can not stop the thoughts process, it never stops. It can t be stopped. I am not sure we are allowed to say more, each one has to find the end of the way by himself. And I am sure we NEED to say more, to each other and to our environment....odd, what force is it that does not allow us to discuss this? Yes, I agree we can only find our way in our own time, but isn't it also so much more of an enriched journey to that point in time, if we talk about all this among ourselves? Purportedly, we are all anyway, quantumly connected within space and time....why would we ignore one another here? "In-formation".....I love that interpretation.... You are right. I said it wrong with my poor English. I didn mean that I know the truth. But I have my own truth which works for me perfectly. Then I can tell you only about my experience. I know that each one of us has his own simulation. The fake matter is manifested by the thought process aka the ego aka the little voice in your head you can t stop. You can easily link the thoughts with the events and things you live or experience by observing. Nothing can happen if you didn t think about it before. Nothing. NADA. Rien. Then as you can t stop the thought process, you have to look at it for what it is, a child addicted to emotions, and stop feeding it with your emotions. All is made to make us React. Everything. The ego always talks about the futur and the past. You have to be here and now and start your own "propaganda" with repetition plus emotions. All the ego s thoughts are only propositions. not facts. Just propositions. That s when you believe them that you manifest its will. This fake world is made of informations. Words are vibrations which are energy. Learn to repeat as much as possible the things you want to live. Impose your will by repetition. Again and again until it becomes a fact. To make it work you have to attach the emotion related to the event. Our power is E-motion. Words are just the tools in this illusion. Thank you for that....and likewise, I like the interpretation E-motion....I'm gathering that's like energy in motion. I'm thanking you because it perfectly outlines why the use of afformations is a wise one, compared to affirmations being quite a bit less wise, or moreover, a waste of time. A person can change their perception/their emotions within this reality, by questioning themselves, over and over again, until the results become....well, at part of ones life. By questioning ourselves, we are giving our consciousness something new to work on, especially the subconscious....you know, that part of you that pretty much runs your life, especially an unexamined life, and most don't know that? Give your subconscious something new to chew on besides the horror show that's been the last year, all built up in there, ruining your every day. Begin to ask yourselves-- Why am I now so happy? --ask yourselves multiple times a day this question....honestly, as much as I've talked about it on GLP, you'd think we'd all be running around asking that question. We have to challenge ourselves while in this reality, not demand of it to give us what we want. We're going to go into our extinction demanding of a reality that has not a care one what we want. It's just a fucking program. Demand of it...pfht, as if....... You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. -Buckminster Fuller ...I adapt to the unknown, under wandering stars I've grown, by myself, but not alone... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78526532 United States 03/20/2021 07:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The thing to keep in mind about these two dingbats is that they are literally tripping all over one another in the attempt to not say the word "GOD." Godel's series of theorems also include his ontological theorem, which was an modification of St. Anselm's ontological theorem. Godel's theorem was put to the mathematical test years ago and was shown to prove the existence of God. St. Anselm's theorem went something like this: We have this concept of God, who is all-seeing, all-powerful, all-knowing, and eternal. We can conceive of no higher being than a being that is all-seeing, all-powerful, all-knowing, and eternal. Since we can conceive of no higher being, therefore, God exists. Godel messed around with that theorem a bit and made it more broad, but its foundation still concerns a higher power that underlies everything else. That is the theorem proven by math recently: [link to abcnews.go.com (secure)] Better sources for this exist but I'm tired after watching that video. Just google it and you can find them. At the end of it all is this: God exists outside of space and time. He exists in "the eternal now," where past, present, and future are all present to Him. Everything outside of God is His creation and exists in space/time. So yeah, if there's a "miracle" you have to claim in your theory because there's a hole big enough to drive a truck through, it's God. |
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(OP) User ID: 80037766 United States 03/20/2021 07:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I talked to CF on the phone a bit ago. I asked him if he knew of anyone reverse engineering mathematics.....crickets for a few moments....heh. Quoting: cosmicgypsy Is this just a bizarre inquiry on my part?....because I'm suspecting everyone is going to say, like CF, that mathematics is an absolute. But what if all that we know about math is just another descriptor of this reality realm, but is not a descriptor of outside the reality realm?.... Although, if I remember correctly, I think Hoffman said that consciousness existing outside this reality is mathematically provable....I think. I'm pretty sure he wants mathematical proof about everything he researches and explores. I'll have to be mindful to pay attention to that part. There's a lot I need to pay attention to while watching it again. I'm gonna need me a pencil and some paper.... I'm missing some context because I haven't watched the video yet. But in regards to the maths, what I've seen is it struggles to define reality because it is too rigid. Too unyielding. It doesn't have the flexibility to produce clear definitions that match our experiences. If you make a mistake in a very long math equation, the end result is usually off. And much back checking is required to find the error. Sometimes you have to use other math to fact-check the equation and ensure you have arrived at the correct conclusion. It could be that our understanding of the math is still in it's infancy. Historical mathematicians would cover entire rooms with blackboards to scribe their formulas, then ponder them endlessly, as if playing them out in their head. Some mathematicians could see numbers the way Mozart could see music. I think a lot of that tactile experience has been lost in this computer age. We rely on the machine for a result instead of the personal and visceral experience of finding the conclusion on our own. Here is a 40 minute video by him....I know your time is precious. Although, straight up lovey, the entire interview, what I posted in my op....it just has so much information. I really feel like youse guyses are missing out by not taking the time to watch it.... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. -Buckminster Fuller ...I adapt to the unknown, under wandering stars I've grown, by myself, but not alone... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77640440 United States 03/20/2021 07:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I talked to CF on the phone a bit ago. I asked him if he knew of anyone reverse engineering mathematics.....crickets for a few moments....heh. Quoting: cosmicgypsy Is this just a bizarre inquiry on my part?....because I'm suspecting everyone is going to say, like CF, that mathematics is an absolute. But what if all that we know about math is just another descriptor of this reality realm, but is not a descriptor of outside the reality realm?....:shrug: Although, if I remember correctly, I think Hoffman said that consciousness existing outside this reality is mathematically provable....I think. I'm pretty sure he wants mathematical proof about everything he researches and explores. I'll have to be mindful to pay attention to that part. There's a lot I need to pay attention to while watching it again. I'm gonna need me a pencil and some paper.... I'm missing some context because I haven't watched the video yet. But in regards to the maths, what I've seen is it struggles to define reality because it is too rigid. Too unyielding. It doesn't have the flexibility to produce clear definitions that match our experiences. If you make a mistake in a very long math equation, the end result is usually off. And much back checking is required to find the error. Sometimes you have to use other math to fact-check the equation and ensure you have arrived at the correct conclusion. It could be that our understanding of the math is still in it's infancy. Historical mathematicians would cover entire rooms with blackboards to scribe their formulas, then ponder them endlessly, as if playing them out in their head. Some mathematicians could see numbers the way Mozart could see music. I think a lot of that tactile experience has been lost in this computer age. We rely on the machine for a result instead of the personal and visceral experience of finding the conclusion on our own. Here is a 40 minute video by him....I know your time is precious. Although, straight up lovey, the entire interview, what I posted in my op....it just has so much information. I really feel like youse guyses are missing out by not taking the time to watch it.... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] I will abstain from the short videos my dear, and watch it in it's entirety tomorrow morning! I'm actually looking forward to it! |
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(OP) User ID: 80037766 United States 03/20/2021 07:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Great topic, 'added that video to my 'watch it queue'. Quoting: Louis in Richmond 'Spirits in the Material World', is that analogous to 'Ephemeral Code Running in a 'Sandbox''? Spirits <> Software Code, 'interesting comparison. I was receiving my education [is that like a software update?] in applied nuclear physics. I was a drunkard who smoked weed almost every night, yet I graduated ahead of over 630 others. I surmise those code snippets ran in separate processes. [link to youtu.be (secure)] I think that goes a way to prove we're more than our bodies..... You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. -Buckminster Fuller ...I adapt to the unknown, under wandering stars I've grown, by myself, but not alone... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
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(OP) User ID: 80037766 United States 03/20/2021 09:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good job!.... You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. -Buckminster Fuller ...I adapt to the unknown, under wandering stars I've grown, by myself, but not alone... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
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(OP) User ID: 80037766 United States 03/20/2021 09:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Evolution? Come on. We were created. It's obvious, study the actual SCIENCE, not the Fake Science the media tells you. Quoting: jlee2027 We're talking about this reality, not the realm wherein we were created. They are two vastly different realms. You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. -Buckminster Fuller ...I adapt to the unknown, under wandering stars I've grown, by myself, but not alone... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
YOU ARE IN THE MATRIX
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User ID: 46122932 United States 03/20/2021 10:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Up front, this is a long video, almost 2.5 hours long. I'm an hour into it, and.... Quoting: cosmicgypsy I'm posting this for those with a brain and attention span and, of those, the desire to better understand our reality and interactions within it. It's blowing my mind, because this man is explaining what I understand....heh, but he explains it in detail and very well. This is the description of the video-- Most of us believe we perceive reality as it generally is, with perhaps some slight distortions. But mathematical models based on natural selection suggest that our strongest intuitions may be false. On this episode of Conversations with Tom, Donald Hoffman and Tom Bilyeu discuss the fascinating possibilities that stem from the theory that evolution gave us the equivalent of a desktop interface that hides the real truth from us so that we can take effective action. They discuss the nature of consciousness, free will, space-time, causality and the self. --and if you go to yt, there are show notes that outline what each section is about, per a timestamp. First time for me to see that. It's really nice for a long video, especially if there is a particular part that caught your attention. You don't have to guess where it is in the video, if you want to review it..... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] I started watching this because I was tired - didn't sleep well last night - and bored....but I'm so far from being bored while watching it. I hope those of you interested in this subject matter, that you can find the time to view this.... Harhar, I'm going to have to watch it at least twice, in order to take it all in.... Wow, great post/video OP |
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User ID: 34613197 United Kingdom 03/20/2021 10:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Reality is a symbiotic relationship between matter and the observer, as electrons do not make a decision until observed as proved in the double slit experiment...and there are many many experiments involving shooting electrons at a screen and watching how they "decide" to react... Quoting: BRIEF Succinctly put. This expresses the concept without the pseudo-intellectualism and overanalysing of the other posts. Thank you for being BRIEF! |
YOU ARE IN THE MATRIX
User ID: 22981768 United States 03/20/2021 11:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Reality is a symbiotic relationship between matter and the observer, as electrons do not make a decision until observed as proved in the double slit experiment...and there are many many experiments involving shooting electrons at a screen and watching how they "decide" to react... Quoting: BRIEF YOU ARE IN THE MATRIX |
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User ID: 73384766 United States 03/20/2021 11:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | THERE IS ONLY ONE REALITY= GOD HIMSELF = IMMORTAL "INFINITE LOVE". Quoting: Twin Flame 11:11 UPON ACHIEVING THE SPIRITUAL STATE WHICH IS "INFINITE LOVE" THEN GOD APPEARS TO YOU FOR REAL! YOU THEN "MERGE" TOGETHER MIND BODY SOUL AND SPIRIT WITH GOD. YOU THUS BECOME "AS ONE" WITH GOD. YOU THUS BECOME "AS ONE" WITH THE "ONE" REALITY. YOU THEN "ASCEND" WITH GOD TO LIVE FOREVER IN GODS ETERNAL "HOME" PARADISE KINGDOM IN HIS "INFINITE LOVE"! Love is the key. It’s all energy, vibrations, notes on scale.... Do not be deceived, there is truth out there…. |
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User ID: 80075475 Australia 03/21/2021 12:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What if it's always been a simulation and rather than victims of it we are the actual programmers. That we are aspects, fractiles if you will of God/ Creator / Singularities consciousness and that our focus our intent forms reality. And the avatars we use in this formed reality mimic the process. More and more I'm coming to think we are at a point in our reality programming that a choice or decision is collectively being offered. There seems to be a polarization occurring to create choices and timelines which as a collective we may choose in the future. Perhaps even a split in the collective occurring, where some may be so polarized that they cease to be on the same timeline. Much like the human egg divides. What else is a consciousness singularity to do? Last Edited by PINKORCHID- In the Light on 03/21/2021 12:05 AM Warning proceeding to read this may cause anxiety, poster is indemnified if you proceed. I can't give you the ultimate truth ,it's all a matter of perspective and spin. So I empower you with the gift of discernment. SEE THE TRUTH , KNOW THE TRUTH, FEEL THE TRUTH |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79707904 United States 03/21/2021 12:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What if it's always been a simulation and rather than victims of it we are the actual programmers. Quoting: PinkOrchid That we are aspects, fractiles if you will of God/ Creator / Singularities consciousness and that our focus our intent forms reality. And the avatars we use in this formed reality mimic the process. More and more I'm coming to think we are at a point in our reality programming that a choice or decision is collectively being offered. There seems to be a polarization occurring to create choices and timelines which as a collective we may choose in the future. Perhaps even a split in the collective occurring, where some may be so polarized that they cease to be on the same timeline. Much like the human egg divides. What else is a consciousness singularity to do? I've tended to view life as; the will to exist, in of itself, is at the core of life. It's primordial. From that "will" to exist, the energy of "existence" emerges. Everything that has life as we understand will struggle to exist, it will seek to live. Every living being is comprised of the "universe" we reside within. We are the existence of the Cosmos, in a conscious state. Consciousness is an emergent quality that has always existed and will always exist into eternity. Life struggles to exist because without the struggle, nothing would exist. There would be nothing. Try to think of nothing existing, just nothingness. The brain will struggle with that idea and likely experience some form of cognitive dissonance. |
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LostReality33
User ID: 79465038 United States 03/21/2021 02:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You know what's really weird ? I'm told in reverse, the DARK SPEECH, the HELLFIRE LANGUAGE, that I am "POPPING THE SKULLS" I am "BLOWING TO DEATH" the "MINDS" of those who think this reality is a hologram !!! I'm told that "HOLOGRAMS HAVE BEEN RUINED" over what I've done, in showing the world the DARK SPEECH . I'm told how "TO DEATH YOU ARE ANNOYING" people, that "TRULY THIS WORLD IS OVER WITH" Can you imagine if people were wearing their BACKMASKS er uh I mean FACEMASKS as the SECRET SIGN that we are NEARING a FALSE FLAG event ? How would you bee able to tell ? Is there ONE MAN in this world, the CHOSEN ONE, who can show the world the TRUTH about the BACKMASKING er uh I mean FACEMASKING ? Things are going VIRAL out there Will the ONE MAN step up, and reveal to the world, the hidden secrets in reverse ? Will the reversed facemasked er uh I mean BACKMASKED secrets EVER come to light ? July 12 News Network is on the scene !!! https://imgur.com/a/u9PCe3k hehehe >:33 To anyone who doesn't like my information, I'm told to tell them, "TO HELL WITH THEM LOL HA-HA" I'm told in reverse how "THIS ENTIRE EARTH WE'VE CURSED" so leaving a "LOL HA-HA" does something to "REMOVE/LOOSEN AXLES" from some people's "VEHICLES" as they are "SMASHED TO DEATH ON OUR ROADS" yea meow that's right on OUR roads >:33 gosh goode thing I don't drive LOL HA-HA Notice how this special FACEMASKING card has OUR LADY KURT COBAIN on it like wowwww can it get any more clear ? Yes. i can. And it will >:33 I'm just gonna keep...MILKIN' it...hehehe Related threads [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] Thread: THIS IS A DEMONIC HOLOGRAPHIC SIMULATION 100% ULTIMATE UNDENIABLE TOTAL DOOM PROOF ! MAN WHO SOLD THE WORLD IDENTIFIED ! NEW EVIDENCES 2022 !!! Thread: Trying to find PROOF of REVERSE SPEAK (Can't Find it Anywhere) - TAKE ME 2 UR BEST REVERSE LEADER - MOST CONVINCING BACKMASKED BACKWARDS VIDEOS ! Last Edited by LostReality33 on 03/21/2021 02:03 AM "I never act without a purpose." -Duke Austerberry "It's a bad time for the world if you're a boy or a girl or maybe something in between, it doesn't matter; we all gotta go green and trust everything the authorities tell us, because they love us and they only want the best for us..." ~Lance Hardcore If you click this thread you can hear Maynard James Keenan of TOOL sing "THE WORLD MUST FEEL THIS SEPTEMBER ELEVEN" 4 months before 9/11 Thread: TOOL The Patient 9/11 REVERSED MUSIC VIDEO "THE WORLD MUST FEEL THIS SEPTEMBER ELEVEN" <---4 MONTHS BEFORE 9/11 I've now got a website up and running exploring this new discovery of the Dark Speech, reversed secrets now revealed NO PERSONAL ADVERTISING to ULTRASONIC REVERSE SPEECH ANALYSIS CHANNEL: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Subscribe to DARK SPEECH DECODER CHANNEL: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Subscribe to the JOHNNY DARK SPEAK CHANNEL: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Get in on The Extreme Reality Puppet Show! [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] "This videocast offers unique and never-before-heard information coming to you direct from ONE EPIC NAME on the INWO scene; David Eager. The Extreme Reality Puppet Show is the FIRST, BEST & ONLY Conspiracy Puppet Show IN THE WORLD! TELL ALL YOUR FRIENDS!" The time is NOW! |
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User ID: 80080280 United States 03/21/2021 02:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A tachyzoite and coronavirus are hanging out in a macrophage debating the nature of Ka: The tachyzoite says: What if it's always been a simulation and rather than victims of it we are the actual programmers. Quoting: PinkOrchid That we are aspects, fractiles if you will of God/ Creator / Singularities consciousness and that our focus our intent forms reality. And the avatars we use in this formed reality mimic the process. More and more I'm coming to think we are at a point in our reality programming that a choice or decision is collectively being offered. There seems to be a polarization occurring to create choices and timelines which as a collective we may choose in the future. Perhaps even a split in the collective occurring, where some may be so polarized that they cease to be on the same timeline. Much like the human egg divides. What else is a consciousness singularity to do? The coronavirus farts Ca to appease the tachyzoite. |
niphtrique
User ID: 78452779 Netherlands 03/21/2021 04:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is nothing much to prove. We probably live in a simulation created by an advanced humanoid civilisation for entertainment. And by the way, we may have no free will, otherwise the simulation would soon run out of memory and processing power. |