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This Scientist Proves Why Our Reality Is False | Donald Hoffman on Conversations with Tom

 
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Up front, this is a long video, almost 2.5 hours long. I'm an hour into it, and....


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I'm posting this for those with a brain and attention span and, of those, the desire to better understand our reality and interactions within it. It's blowing my mind, because this man is explaining what I understand....heh, but he explains it in detail and very well.

This is the description of the video--

Most of us believe we perceive reality as it generally is, with perhaps some slight distortions. But mathematical models based on natural selection suggest that our strongest intuitions may be false. On this episode of Conversations with Tom, Donald Hoffman and Tom Bilyeu discuss the fascinating possibilities that stem from the theory that evolution gave us the equivalent of a desktop interface that hides the real truth from us so that we can take effective action. They discuss the nature of consciousness, free will, space-time, causality and the self.


--and if you go to yt, there are show notes that outline what each section is about, per a timestamp. First time for me to see that. It's really nice for a long video, especially if there is a particular part that caught your attention. You don't have to guess where it is in the video, if you want to review it.....woohoo




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I started watching this because I was tired - didn't sleep well last night - and bored....but I'm so far from being bored while watching it.

I hope those of you interested in this subject matter, that you can find the time to view this....hf

Harhar, I'm going to have to watch it at least twice, in order to take it all in....tounge
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check1 @ wikipedia DONALD D. HOFFMAN


check1 @ wikipedia MONISM


check1 @ wikipedia ADVAITA VEDANTA


CHECK1 HOFFMAN IS NOT SAYING WE LIVE IN A SIMULATION.


CHECK1 HOFFMAN IS SAYING OUR PERCEPTIONS ARE WRONG & WE ARE LOOKING FOR EASY ANSWERS (ICONS) THAT PAYOFF.



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Re: This Scientist Proves Why Our Reality Is False | Donald Hoffman on Conversations with Tom
I'm two hours in now, and I have an intriguing to me question to ask about mathematicians--


Can mathematics be reverse engineered?

I'm not talking about reducing it to its simplest form - i.e. addition and subtraction - I mean can the "set" that is the concept of mathematics be reverse engineered?

Because I don't know, has anyone ever done this or even tried it, and has revealed or published their research?


Heh, the things that make me to....thinkfelix
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Okay, I just pinned this because I know there are some highly intelligent people on GLP....lol, and I'm going to want someone to talk about this information with.

Like, I don't want my last posted question about mathematics to go unseen....and this thread will drop like a dead weight if I don't pin it.

I'm going to go finish the rest of the video. I'm coming up on the 2:03:10 mark--

Donald and Tom discuss the possibility of taking off the headset

--I've wanted to skip forward almost from the beginning to see this part, but I've waited patiently...well that, and I've been hanging on every word getting there....popcorn
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I just read a book on Biocentrism, which is what he is describing...You cannot remove an observer from any equation...
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The Grand Biocentric Design: How Life Creates Reality

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His TED talk is a great quick presentation, one of my favs.
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bump for later
hugs to you cosmic gypsy!
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Here a primer.


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nice masturbatory theorizing.

We still can't do a damn thing about it, however
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nice masturbatory theorizing.

We still can't do a damn thing about it, however
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Learning is what we can do about it...To communicate and share ideas is evolution in real time...
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The Simulation is Biblical.

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I bought his book, so we'll see what's in the details...
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Re: This Scientist Proves Why Our Reality Is False | Donald Hoffman on Conversations with Tom
Reality is a symbiotic relationship between matter and the observer, as electrons do not make a decision until observed as proved in the double slit experiment...and there are many many experiments involving shooting electrons at a screen and watching how they "decide" to react...
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whew.....I just finished the interview. Dear gawd, it's all so very fascinating....there's so many thoughts in m'noggin right now....I seriously don't know where to start.

Youse guyses need to take the time to watch this whole video....I STRONGLY urge you to watch the whole thing.


blink....my brain, my understanding, it's still "growing"....and there are a few strong confirmations in there, too.


My "headset's consciousness agents" are all fired up and pinballing around my....sense of space and time.


Heh, this little grasshoppa learned well....flower


Find the time to watch the whole video....hf
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The universe (and everything contented there-in) is the product of information. Doug Vogt / Diehold Foundation.
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Reality is a symbiotic relationship between matter and the observer, as electrons do not make a decision until observed as proved in the double slit experiment...and there are many many experiments involving shooting electrons at a screen and watching how they "decide" to react...
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THERE IS ONLY ONE REALITY= GOD HIMSELF = IMMORTAL "INFINITE LOVE".

UPON ACHIEVING THE SPIRITUAL STATE WHICH IS "INFINITE LOVE" THEN GOD APPEARS TO YOU FOR REAL!

YOU THEN "MERGE" TOGETHER MIND BODY SOUL AND SPIRIT WITH GOD.

YOU THUS BECOME "AS ONE" WITH GOD.

YOU THUS BECOME "AS ONE" WITH THE "ONE" REALITY.

YOU THEN "ASCEND" WITH GOD TO LIVE FOREVER IN GODS ETERNAL "HOME" PARADISE KINGDOM IN HIS "INFINITE LOVE"!


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Reality is a symbiotic relationship between matter and the observer, as electrons do not make a decision until observed as proved in the double slit experiment...and there are many many experiments involving shooting electrons at a screen and watching how they "decide" to react...
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If you make a donation to his YouTube account, he will answer your direct questions in his next video.
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I haven't read his book yet...It's in the mail...
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Re: This Scientist Proves Why Our Reality Is False | Donald Hoffman on Conversations with Tom
Okay, the most obvious that this confirms for me is that everything describes this reality....EVERYTHING. The Bible, astrology, the Hopi prophecy, scientific theorems....the heirloom seed catalog book, anything and everything serves to define....itself.

Some people give great weight and belief in some of these self descriptive "concepts"....for example, the Bible, the Koran, ....heh, the Constitution, etc.

I've basically been going along for years decidedly thinking we live in a self effacing reality, that we're entrained to believe is a true reality, from birth. Hoffman identified the age that indoctrination begins can be as young as three or four months old....in other words, we have little or no choice about what this life experience is going to be like.

As well, in order to experience something beyond what we're entrained to believe, we must utilize a way for our consciousness to go outside of space and time. That way is through meditation and through OBE's. Hoffman said meditation, I'm adding OBE's....although I think I've only ever truly been completely out of all "sensory input", save for the lone notion of "I", and that was in The Void. And those two times were years ago.

It's been interesting to me that I've most rarely ever met someone who was comfortable in The Void. Most say they were terrified. I only felt at peace. I was the epitome of comfortable.....I did not have a care, because there wasn't one to be had. No-thingness.


janice-OMG....I was sitting here for some time wondering how I could post something, humbly, coming from a humble place of observation....harhar, and I had this thought--

What if I'm all comfortable in The Void because I'm oblivious to what's about to happen, and the others are aware and are freaking right the fuck out....what would be about ready to happen?

The Big Bang....rimshot


I might be going off the rails, people.....fuckyeah5


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"...believe.. perceive... generally... perhaps... models... suggest... intuitions... may... possibilities... theory... equivalent... consciousness, free will, space-time, causality and the self."

Sounds like the definite possibility of an absolute maybe.

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The Simulation is Biblical.

God is the Software...


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Software means a program is running.

God is primarily the Programmer. Secondarily the software, as God encompasses ALL creation.
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I read Biocentrism as well and it just makes me think that until we see the whole picture we are just looking at a gigantic puzzle with only a bit of it put together. Meditating in the dark helps me alot for my inner self and understanding me as a photon reader but living in this world is insane no matter what. Thats why the monks separate themselves preferably as high and far as possible.
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AND do not get me wrong, it's not that using these "tools" we have can't be used for the better, they can....but with so many "consciousness agents" within just one person, the chances for dissent are plentiful.

Seriously, what I have believed for nearing two decades now is that beliefs need to be waaay whittled down. I mean, it took my guidance seeing I was relying on everything besides my own instincts, things like texts and them, to come to the conclusions I was seeking. My guidance flat out told me that for my own good, they were going dark, and that I'd best get my head out of the books. I was being challenged. My guidance came back two years later, and I had learned how to answer my own questions, or at least most of them.

The less we believe in concerning this reality, the less indoctrinated we become. The less indoctrinated we become, the greater the opportunity for meditation and OBEs becomes....and knowing how to do those is just but a bare babies first step into....well, having at least some kind of life outside of just the reality....using our own consciousness, and not something we have "produced".

I think this is key in "relieving" ourselves of this reality....consciousness must be raised up.

We need to learn to recognize the indoctrination we're in, and we need to learn to rise up and beyond of it.

Heh, easily said, hard to do with so many fully indoctrinated.

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I bought his book, so we'll see what's in the details...
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I just ordered it, too....cheer
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I talked to CF on the phone a bit ago. I asked him if he knew of anyone reverse engineering mathematics.....crickets for a few moments....heh.

Is this just a bizarre inquiry on my part?....because I'm suspecting everyone is going to say, like CF, that mathematics is an absolute.

But what if all that we know about math is just another descriptor of this reality realm, but is not a descriptor of outside the reality realm?....shrug


Although, if I remember correctly, I think Hoffman said that consciousness existing outside this reality is mathematically provable....I think. I'm pretty sure he wants mathematical proof about everything he researches and explores.

I'll have to be mindful to pay attention to that part. There's a lot I need to pay attention to while watching it again. I'm gonna need me a pencil and some paper....ohyeah
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bump great thread, thanks OP

All is about in-formation in this fake world.
It is a "thoughts fight" between powers to use our true power of manifestation. We are a tool and a NPC until we wake up.
Then begin a long journey to stop feeding the illusion.
Meditation is a good start to quiet the mind but it can not stop the thoughts process, it never stops. It can t be stopped.
I am not sure we are allowed to say more, each one has to find the end of the way by himself.
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bump great thread, thanks OP

All is about in-formation in this fake world.
It is a "thoughts fight" between powers to use our true power of manifestation. We are a tool and a NPC until we wake up.
Then begin a long journey to stop feeding the illusion.
Meditation is a good start to quiet the mind but it can not stop the thoughts process, it never stops. It can t be stopped.
I am not sure we are allowed to say more, each one has to find the end of the way by himself.
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And I am sure we NEED to say more, to each other and to our environment....odd, what force is it that does not allow us to discuss this?

Yes, I agree we can only find our way in our own time, but isn't it also so much more of an enriched journey to that point in time, if we talk about all this among ourselves?

Purportedly, we are all anyway, quantumly connected within space and time....why would we ignore one another here?


"In-formation".....I love that interpretation....hf
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Great topic, 'added that video to my 'watch it queue'.

'Spirits in the Material World', is that analogous to 'Ephemeral Code Running in a 'Sandbox''?

Spirits <> Software Code, 'interesting comparison.

I was receiving my education [is that like a software update?] in applied nuclear physics.

I was a drunkard who smoked weed almost every night, yet I graduated ahead of over 630 others. I surmise those code snippets ran in separate processes. chuckle


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bump great thread, thanks OP

All is about in-formation in this fake world.
It is a "thoughts fight" between powers to use our true power of manifestation. We are a tool and a NPC until we wake up.
Then begin a long journey to stop feeding the illusion.
Meditation is a good start to quiet the mind but it can not stop the thoughts process, it never stops. It can t be stopped.
I am not sure we are allowed to say more, each one has to find the end of the way by himself.
 Quoting: ThePassenger



And I am sure we NEED to say more, to each other and to our environment....odd, what force is it that does not allow us to discuss this?

Yes, I agree we can only find our way in our own time, but isn't it also so much more of an enriched journey to that point in time, if we talk about all this among ourselves?

Purportedly, we are all anyway, quantumly connected within space and time....why would we ignore one another here?


"In-formation".....I love that interpretation....hf
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You are right. I said it wrong with my poor English.
I didn mean that I know the truth. But I have my own truth which works for me perfectly.
Then I can tell you only about my experience.
I know that each one of us has his own simulation. The fake matter is manifested by the thought process aka the ego aka the little voice in your head you can t stop.
You can easily link the thoughts with the events and things you live or experience by observing.
Nothing can happen if you didn t think about it before. Nothing. NADA. Rien.
Then as you can t stop the thought process, you have to look at it for what it is, a child addicted to emotions, and stop feeding it with your emotions. All is made to make us React. Everything.
The ego always talks about the futur and the past. You have to be here and now and start your own "propaganda" with repetition plus emotions.
All the ego s thoughts are only propositions. not facts. Just propositions. That s when you believe them that you manifest its will.
This fake world is made of informations. Words are vibrations which are energy.
Learn to repeat as much as possible the things you want to live. Impose your will by repetition. Again and again until it becomes a fact. To make it work you have to attach the emotion related to the event. Our power is E-motion. Words are just the tools in this illusion.

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