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Bonds Getting Blown Out - Rates Rising

 
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This could get ugly fast. Ten year yield just hit 1.75%

This could be the end of a 40 year bull market in bonds/40 year bear market in rates.

https://imgur.com/mkxptRH

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THIS is the most important news story right now...we in the red zone folks.
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would rather have it & not need it then need it & not have it
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Thanks for the pin 5a
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SO...BANKING HOLIDAY SHOON?..UH

DOLLAH COLLAPSE..?
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THIS is the most important news story right now...we in the red zone folks.
 Quoting: Mr. Bisby


What does this mean to other parts of the market?
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THIS is the most important news story right now...we in the red zone folks.
 Quoting: Mr. Bisby


What does this mean to other parts of the market?
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Is this an inflationary signal?

Under they situation, having stockpiles of needed things (food, hygiene products, etc) , gold/silver, and crypto might be he best hedge.
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Philly Fed Explodes To Highest Since Interest Rates Were 14%

As a reminder, the mid to late '70s were not a fun time for inflation and markets... and 10Y Yields were at 14%!!

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https://imgur.com/Sc4xdv7

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THIS is the most important news story right now...we in the red zone folks.
 Quoting: Mr. Bisby


What does this mean to other parts of the market?
 Quoting: Swingline


If it becomes a serious trend it means:

Rates rise
Stocks crash
Gold soars
Economy tanks
Dollar collapses
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty - Jesus
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THIS is the most important news story right now...we in the red zone folks.
 Quoting: Mr. Bisby


What does this mean to other parts of the market?
 Quoting: Swingline


If it becomes a serious trend it means:

Rates rise
Stocks crash
Gold soars
Economy tanks
Dollar collapses
 Quoting: fiftybagger


Finishing what they started in 1913. End of the road.
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THIS is the most important news story right now...we in the red zone folks.
 Quoting: Mr. Bisby


What does this mean to other parts of the market?
 Quoting: Swingline


If it becomes a serious trend it means:

Rates rise
Stocks crash
Gold soars
Economy tanks
Dollar collapses
 Quoting: fiftybagger


what sort of rate would you think is the tipping point?
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THIS is the most important news story right now...we in the red zone folks.
 Quoting: Mr. Bisby


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Re: Bonds Getting Blown Out - Rates Rising
THIS is the most important news story right now...we in the red zone folks.
 Quoting: Mr. Bisby


What does this mean to other parts of the market?
 Quoting: Swingline


If it becomes a serious trend it means:

Rates rise
Stocks crash
Gold soars
Economy tanks
Dollar collapses
 Quoting: fiftybagger


Silvertards, prepare to deploy Stacks.
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SO...BANKING HOLIDAY SHOON?..UH

DOLLAH COLLAPSE..?
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THIS is the most important news story right now...we in the red zone folks.
 Quoting: Mr. Bisby


What does this mean to other parts of the market?
 Quoting: Swingline


If it becomes a serious trend it means:

Rates rise
Stocks crash
Gold soars
Economy tanks
Dollar collapses
 Quoting: fiftybagger


what sort of rate would you think is the tipping point?
 Quoting: aningeniousname


Even just a 3% yield on the 10 year could spell doom.

3% of the 28 trillion dollar debt is 840 billion dollars in yearly interest payments. That's over 50% of all income tax revenues:

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But but the fed chairman

Said everything is good
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Just kick the can again
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But but the fed chairman

Said everything is good
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But but the fed chairman

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We all know who we can blame it on.

Last Edited by Gummedchromeroller on 03/18/2021 10:49 AM
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This could get ugly fast. Ten year yield just hit 1.75%

This could be the end of a 40 year bull market in bonds/40 year bear market in rates.

https://imgur.com/mkxptRH

 Quoting: fiftybagger


Is there a simple way to explain it to me like I'm stupid? I've got a gap in my understanding of how bonds interact with the overall market.
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I mean it was in the 2.x % range from 2017 till the middle of 2019. Is going up bad? Or is going down bad?
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This could get ugly fast. Ten year yield just hit 1.75%

This could be the end of a 40 year bull market in bonds/40 year bear market in rates.

https://imgur.com/mkxptRH

 Quoting: fiftybagger


Is there a simple way to explain it to me like I'm stupid? I've got a gap in my understanding of how bonds interact with the overall market.
 Quoting: BeetusTech


When bond prices fall interest rates rise. Rising interest rates reward savers and punish spenders which depress stock prices and the economy. This can become a vicious circle as bonds, stocks, and the dollar all collapse together. e.g. the 1970s
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THIS is the most important news story right now...we in the red zone folks.
 Quoting: Mr. Bisby


What does this mean to other parts of the market?
 Quoting: Swingline


If it becomes a serious trend it means:

Rates rise
Stocks crash
Gold soars
Economy tanks
Dollar collapses
 Quoting: fiftybagger


COOL! So it's like everything I've been hoping for! It's a dream come true!
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Even if the Fed's 2% inflation forecast is correct (it's not, the actual rate will be much higher) a 1.75% yield on a 10-year Treasury is still negative .25% (negative .80% if you're paying the top income tax rate on that yield). Yields will hit 3% soon unless the Fed expands QE.
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