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Can A Combustion Engine Run On Water??

 
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Can A Combustion Engine Run On Water??
The car that runs on water

This topic has come up again, and as usual, the same garbage that obscures the truth about this is being told. I'll once again put this straight.

Water is basically inert. It does not matter how much "energy is stored in the bonds" between the hydrogen and oxygen because ZERO energy is stored in the bonds, Water is stable because the energy that made those bonds was released while making them. And electrolosis does not cut it as a viable way to put that energy back. But there IS a way to get a car to run with water as a component of the process, and this is what the Pogue carburetor was about. It seems no one ever mentions the Pogue carburetor had a water inlet. And I figured this process out before I even heard of the pogue carburetor.

Here is how you make a car "run on water", (only, not really, it still runs on fuel) and there are MANY WAYS, not just one.

To make a car "run on water" you utilize the expansion characteristics of water. Once water hits 700 farenheit it is automatically at 3,000 PSI vapor pressure and THAT can drive a LOT. Water expands enormously when transitioning from a liquid to a gas, and at 700F it has so much pressure it is outside the realm of what most people consider running in a gasoline engine. Get water in a diesel and see what happens, a diesel will actually vaporize the water and put it to 3,000 PSI and then BOOM, with far less than needed to hydrolock. So you set up your gasoline engine to take advantage of this. There are MANY WAYS to do it.

How about insulating your exhaust manifold so it is always at 700F or more, and while burning your gas in the engine, you pre-heat water with it and then have a separate set of injectors inject a little water that wants to go to 3,000 PSI instantly when released? How much boost could that possibly give you? Enough to crush the piston rods if you were not careful, but today we have computers they did not have in the 1800's so we can utilize the higher pressures where water is most efficient. They could not do that back then.

The pogue carburetor did something a little different - instead of preheating water it just separately atomized it and had it go into the cylinder along with the fuel, where it provided additional expansion when the explosion happened. That worked, it gave amazing fuel economy and that is why allied tanks went as well as they did. I'm sure some fool is going to rip this and post "the pogue carburetor" that does not do this, and I have one comment for those types: MAKE IT WORK THEN.

I am not going to go over 1,000 ways to do this right, there are MULTIPLE WAYS, I'll just say this:

Gas engines in automobiles take about 15 percent of the energy in gasoline and convert that to usable power, while the exhaust system and radiator throw away 85 percent. If you get rid of the radiator, if you get rid of the entire cooling system plus use the exhaust for pre-heating and then instead internally cool the engine with properly regulated water you could probably at least get an engine up to about 90 percent efficient. But TPTB don't want that, and here's why:

#1. Let's say you have a piston powered airplane that gets 30 mpg (and those exist). It has a range of 600 miles with the basic 20 gallon tank. All of a sudden you do a design change and have condensers in the exhaust system to re-capture and re-use water, and you run ONE gallon of water in a continuous cycle, while now getting 180 MPG with an engine that is now 6 times as efficient - now your little prop job with a range of 600 miles can go 3,600 miles and bomb the hell out of the bad guys from let's say Zimbabwe on a budget of practically $0. WAR IS EXPENSIVE. FIGHTING EVIL IS EXPENSIVE BECAUSE EVIL PROTECTED ITSELF BY BURYING GREAT TECHNOLOGIES LITTLE GUYS COULD USE TO STOP THE EVIL. THEY DO NOT WANT WAR TO BE CHEAP, SO THEY BURY ALL TECHNOLOGIES THAT COULD MAKE WAR CHEAP. THEN THEY JUST STEAL THE BILLIONS THEY NEED TO WAGE WAR THE EXPENSIVE WAY VIA TAXES.

A stealth piston powered prop job with totally self contained cooling would be FAR EASIER, and I mean 1,000+X as easy to design and build than a stealth jet, so what if you go slower. And obviously, for greater range you start out with a propeller plane that has a greater range. You'd match a 180 million dollar stealth jet for $50,000 no sweat and you would not even need an aircraft carrier and thousands of troops to support it, you'd simply take off, fly to your tyrant 5,000 miles away, turn around and fly home for the cost of ONE normal fill up in a shitty plane.

The ultimate would be a solid copper block engine with only oil channels, a high temp oil, a copper head, run it at about 450F and use the thermal stability copper would provide to keep it running perfectly controlled and perfectly smoothly. I am not going into the details on this because they are vast as to why copper would be the best for this, (with steel sleeves for the pistons and lightweight alloy pistons of course) - the high temperatures would be handled by simply having a simpler system and using different materials for the seals. No radiator, and if there was an overheat you'd just start injecting water only and when above 450 degrees, water alone would run it with steam expansion alone no, that's not a conventional steam engine!

And there is why we don't have "water powered engines - a bad label not 100 percent accurate) plus how to do it.
As a side note, you need to ceramic coat the tops of the pistons, the cylinder walls, the head and the valves because water at 700F at that concentration will eat the metal.

For a quick start on this idea, rip apart a $99 predator engine, ceramic coat all parts that face the combustion chamber, and then use a super high capacity fountain fogger to atomize the water and have the carburetor suck that in straight with no air filter. Turn the fountain fogger on AFTER the engine is good and hot. You need a REAL fountain fogger, not one for a bowl on the table. It would have to be able to atomize as much water as gas you'd normally use, water that would get re-claimed by a condensor in the exhaust system. That type of high capacity piezoelectric water fogger costs more than a penny. There is an extremely high chance this absolutely would work, it could be that simple, run the engine lean. I have considered setting this up but never got around to it. And the governor will probably not work once you do this, you need to have the engine loaded to prevent runaway.

Lawn mower engines are already partially ideal for this process, no computer to worry about (if you run straight fog rather than injection) and the solid head and block run hot and would balance the process a lot better than a car engine. If you get it to work, block the fan so there's no air cooling.

The best solution would be a fully computer controlled solid block engine with direct injection, but there's nothing even approximate to that in existence now.

And don't even bother with dreaming about "the water only engine", that's a hoax intended to derail critical thought. It can't work, that's why water is used to put out fires. the "water engine" does not burn water, it instead uses the expansion characteristics of water to make the combustion of FUEL drive a piston lot more efficiently.

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Re: Can A Combustion Engine Run On Water??
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03/14/2021 03:46 PM
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Re: Can A Combustion Engine Run On Water??
Short answer no.

But...

Mr Diesel originally wanted to run his machine on air.

He was trying to combust the gases that comprise our atmosphere.

Getting back to the subject at hand...

The use of hydrogen from water would be an excellent way to utilize the excess heat that is wasted and expelled from the exhaust.
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03/14/2021 03:51 PM
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Re: Can A Combustion Engine Run On Water??
There used to be a show called

That's Incredible back in the early 80s

I remember 1 episode .

Where a car was made to work with soapy foamed up water and gas mixture

Would need an anons help find the episode
Justme C'est Moi

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03/14/2021 04:16 PM

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Re: Can A Combustion Engine Run On Water??
Sorry, not possible.

I used to keep my sailboat at a place where there were some NASA engineers. One of them had retired and supposedly made his engine run on water. I was just trying to go home after a long day and making a few trips back and forth on the dock to bring back the cooler etc. First he wanted to sell me his sailboat and showed me all the strange stuff he installed on it, A speaker system attached to the hull for attracting fish (it made noise like shrimp or something). Then the car, where he and another guy were trying to convince me of their engine breakthrough.....

I practically had to kick him in the nuts to get away from him.
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