Own Firearms? DO THIS NOW and thank me later

So you don't have to document what the trust covers? Why not make 30 trusts and put a car house gun or whatever you need att he time of transfer?

Here's a standard FORM-

trusts/revocable/
[link to freelegalforms.uslegal.com (secure)]

In that case have at it. There's some situations where it might work, especially in free states.

Personally I'm just hoping my state goes fully second amendment sanctuary like others have (as of now several counties have but not my county)

The unfortunate thing though is if you've been paying attention to the house resolutions for this session of congress as they've been introduced they have tripled up on all the important parts of their anti 2a wishlist.

By my count, Even if the big bad main resolutions (hr8, hr125, hr127) don't get through but the backup resolutions (too many to list) do we're still at a point where gun ownership etc will basically be DOA in America.

A lot of this is because they've already put in place a whole bunch of shit that will essentially let them shut down the gun industry side of things all but completely.

As you well know, if there's no one left making and selling guns and ammo for prices normal people can afford...

The second amendment is dead by default.

That's why I rail on the shit I do so hard.

Whether people want to accept or believe this or not, they are in their end game wrt the second amendment...

Barring a whole bunch of people doing really illegal things and potentially outright fighting for their rights, by the end of Bidens first term gun ownership and etc will essentially be a dying hobby increasingly dominated by the rich and powerful. (Who will be the only ones who can afford to keep their current firearms, afford the price of ammunition, and meet the insane and costly regulatory burden owning guns will impose on you.

When looked at from that perspective, setting up trusts seems like a distraction/rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic.

I genuinely don't know what the answer is but I can say with absolute certainty going on the defensive and just trying to "get through the next four years" ain't it.

Nursing home administrator here. Residents that knew which papers to sign and how to file them get 100 percent free care through Medicaid, residents who didn’t have everything drained including property down to 2000 dollars. Hint hint if it’s in a trust for five years you own nothing under the law poor as a church mouse.

Last Edited by Sardonic Dadaist on 03/13/2021 12:25 PM

Fucking blathering about Law-n-sheeeit... Or, Constitution-n-sheeeit... is Joke-O-Rama..

We have just witnessed one of the most massive Election Fraud Exploits in history painted as "Conspiracy Theory"...

("Courts") have adopted the standard "Move-Along", "Nothing-To-See-Here" Psy-Op without ANY examination of the over 5,000 attestations, or other physical evidence.

You have no Law, no Constitution, no Country...

You are "sub-jects" of an Illegitimate, Hostile, Belligerent Takeover by a Cabal of despots, and deviants, along with ("Their") Stooges, Goons, Shills, Dupes.

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Or you could quote the constitution and remind them fucks in this commie gov why America is the best country in the world

Spot on. But if you listen to some people here "trusts are useless". I know better. One of my trusts was established in the 80's and is still useful and valid today.

The sad part is that my original post was really all about being able to TRANSFER the firearm to someone else later with out actually triggering a TRANSACTION or TRANSFER.

The fact that they can not follow along and see the value for that one point alone, well, I don't know what to say. LOL

No, criminals in the ghetto get their firearms delivered in bulk by the government about once every five years. Along with ammo, the guns of all styles (and usually fully automatic)are delivered in wooden crates and left in back alleys in the middle of the night for children and gangs to find. This is how the hoods in Philly and Chicago and New York (that typically don't have gun stores within 25 - 75 miles) manage to stay armed and dangerous.

Only in America.

Last Edited by TheExPatrioticGirl on 03/13/2021 01:04 PM

Wrong. The government delivers.

And who and what determines who is or isn't "sensible", an "extremist" or, for that matter, a "domestic terrorist"? What a crock of shit. The feds intention is to fuck with EVERYONE.

hen set back and have a congratulatory drink.

You just registered your firearm with the authorities!!!

Don't you feel better now?

When you form the trust itself you can "vest" the trust at that time if you wish, which really means what assets you are transferring into the trust. This document is NOT public record so nobody knows what it says.

At any later date you can add additional assets into a trust. When you assign those assets THAT documentation does NOT have to be public either.

What I am saying here is that if a firearm is owned by a trust, and you are the trustee, and you add someone later to the trust as a trustee, and then you resign a a trustee, then the NEW trustee in "administering" the trust, which still has the firearm.

All of the above does not have to be made public record either. At a later time *IF* someone was questioned, like by a govt agent, they could simply show a copy of their NOTARIZED trust and all the amendments (new trustee, trustee resigns) then they will have nothing they can say about it because the trust still owns the firearm from the day the trust was create until today. No TRANSFER has taken place.

Honestly, they would have to fundamentally change all of trust law to stop this from happening and the wealthy will never have it because it would ruin trusts used for other purposes as well. For the few people that are smart enough to do this they will probably just choose to leave them alone because to not do so would end up losing more than they gained.

Anyone that would FILE a trust that is using it for purposes I have described would have to be an IDIOT.

Trusts do NOT have to be filed, that is one of the things that makes them so awesome.

Signing away ownership to a Trust seems like a way around nothing.

What firearms? The ones that fell into the lake last summah?

We never could find those.

Okay, I've got a question. Say the day comes in a few months when their super duper firearm regulations come into effect and there's a knockerdoodle on the door.

They've come to take your guns to which you say, "I ain't got no guns chief" wherein they look at their handy database and confirm you bought a gun.

Is waving a trust document in their faces going to cause any law enforcement officer, either federal, state or local going to stop them? No. They'll take them and tell you to go through proper channels.

i thought about advertising suicide closets for my home owners, and i'm not joking.

First of all, you are creating a situation that I did not even discuss. I never said a trust would be a defense against government agents trying to take firearms away from you.

But I will say this:

(1) Government officials will NEVER start a door to door confiscation of firearms in the US. That is guaranteed as it would cause a civil war, 100% guaranteed.

(2) If many States, like Florida, you can just purchase a firearm, for cash, from an individual and go about your business. There is NO record of a transaction unless you make one. There are no "database" records.

(3) Even if you purchased a firearm from a STORE there is no "registration" in Florida. If asked about it you could say "oh I only had that for a month or so, then I sold it for cash to some guy. I don't remember who it was because I just happened to chance meet him at a bar and we got talking about firearms and he found out I had it up for sale so I went and got it from home and met back up with him and sold it."

Everything I have stated about trust usage was to assume we still have a functional government that has not gone completely off the rails. If they just "ban private transfers without a background check" the trust approach I described would ABSOLUTELY be a solution to that OR if they pull some sort of bullshit assault weapons ban but grandfather in those that already have them -- the trust would ALSO work for that as well.

So please, if you are going to take swipes at me AT LEAST talk about the points I MADE and don't just make new ones up out of thin air.

Last Edited by Cryptographer on 03/13/2021 01:38 PM

One other benefit I never mentioned:

If you are ever asked "Do you own any firearms?" you can HONESTLY answer "No" to that question.

A "trustee" does not own a trust, they "administer" a trust.


So, I could see this as another benefit to being questioned, to include medical exams, etc.

Last Edited by Cryptographer on 03/13/2021 01:41 PM

My gun safe has prominent signs saying:

DANGER!
BLACK POWDER STORAGE

NO SMOKING, FIRE, OR SPARKS WITHIN 50 FEET

Just in case some yahoo wants to use a power tool to open it.

OP is some bigtime crazy.

like wow. dude needs some serious therapy and schooling and a big fat clue.

but hey. it will be entertaining reading about him in the news.

not listening. my suggestion is much simpler and easier. just buy firearms from the barrio with the numbers cleanly shaved off. And you don't have to worry about cops if your city government is run by demmycraps because they won't touch their beloved "undocumented guests" who deal in the barrio.

fast, cheap, easy, effective, DONE!

by the way, I get my haircuts done there too for $5, and I don't have to wear a mask.

I have had numerous attorneys review and verify my trust structure over the years; it is sound.

I have NFA trusts as well, which are fully compliant with the ATF and they also have been fully reviewed.

Saying that I need "therapy", well that is nothing more than the ramblings of an ignorant asshole.

Here in Florida you can buy firearms from private parties and NOT have to file off the serial numbers, so you end up actually having a legal firearm. LOL

Nobody wears masks here (North Florida) and have not for a LOOOOOONG time.

no they never establish ownership, who wants a stolen gun tracked back to them, this is why they are criminals. They steal the guns and then dump them when done. I have watched a lot of cop shows.

I'm sure you too could get training if you turn on the tv.

Our Founding Fathers have given rights to the people of this nation to ensure our freedom and security. And now we have foreign-influenced, anti-American, no good, two-bit puppet traitors of today who are trying their hardest to strip away our freedom and security.

Not one person I know is going to comply with any ban/prohibition/turn-in/registration on an already existing firearm in their possession.

These radical Nazi Democrats should think carefully on this because they are essentially going to make everyone Outlaws by owning AR-15s, and even pump shotguns (as documented in the newly introduced bill by Feinstein).

If a huge swath of the US population is going to be Outlaws anyways....
Then fuck applying/registration/tax fees to acquire Class 3 firearms then. Might as well add these fully automatic weapons, machine guns, sawed off shotguns, and the like to our households. We've been law abiding citizens up to this point, but if they are going to cause us to be Outlaws anyways...

You know we do.

It will force them to let everyone know the rule of law is out and at that point it goes from new regulations to all out survival. They don’t want that yet. What they want is a slow removal showing their hand early will pop the plan while 400 million are still out there.

If the Democrat Communist Party takes Our defensive weapons the only ones that will have them are:

Mexican cartels that are now taking over the borders and states on the border.

Democrat Communist Party 'hired' thugs that have videoed marching with ( unregistered ) assault weapons.

M13 type gangs ( unregistered ) weapons.

Mexican criminal's that were given assault weapon's though the 'High Treason ' criminal's ..Obama + Holder 'fast and furlous' program.

Criminal's with (unregistered weapon's)

The Democrat Communist Party wants to take the weapons away from law abiding citizens that bought weapons ( legally & registered ) to protect themselves and their family. They are not going to mess with these criminal's because they don't know who they are and where they live. It would be too hard of work and not staffed for this unconstitutional task! They will be going after the (Legal) law abiding citizens..( because we're easy money ) they know Our names and where We live!
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