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As long as you understand that they won't actually protect your guns from what's coming it's a perfectly good idea.

That said, you need to be aware that they've never liked trusts and the next rounds of legislation will likely find ways to break any of them that are non corporate.

Agreed. If they don't respect the highest law of the land, then they aren't going to respect some trust written by one of their lowly subjects.

You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. It’s extremely useful and would mean the ability to transfer the firearm without “transferring” it.

The fact that you actually just said this to a practicing estate planning attorney shows how absolutely disconnected people can be from reality.

I will plan as I see fit and people can RESEARCH what I said and see if it works for them as well.

I am pleased that he is going to run with my idea and offer it in some form to his clients.

This is not the first time I have had a lawyer say something like this to me.

I actually made the suggestion to an attorney friend of mine to look into using the Arbitration clauses common in many credit card terms agreements AGAINST the creditor -- Most of the agreements allow either party to invoke the AB clause and frequently put the cost of BOTH parties on the creditor.

If you are dealing with a debt less than $5K many creditors will just walk because they have to pay for the expenses but usually can not recover them. Arbitration fees are high and it is just not worth them go after the debtor anymore.

My friend just sat there and stared at me for a minute and finally said "F'in brilliant!!

For the record he has now used it NUMEROUS times and it has worked every time except for a debtor that had multiple high balances with the same bank (over $20,000 per account) and they decided that it was worth spending the money to go the arbitration route anyhow.

The system is there waiting to be worked, you just have to be smart enough to use it.

Law means nothing to communists and other national socialists.

You apparently have your head in the sand.

It is amazing that he is too much of a dope to understand the structure being discussed and the purpose for doing so. This is not an "asset protection" move as much as it is creating a vehicle that can be used to realize the end purpose that I described.

In the end we will be the ones laughing (and your clients).

Absolutely. Any time you take other actions you are giving up a fundamental freedom.

no.it won't do any good.if they try to take em a trust ain't gonna help.It will be war then.

As we speak, Government apparatchiks are scheming to get around what is written here, slowed only by the hookers, drugs, thievery, and kiddos normally occupying idle time.

I stay off my neighbor’s plantation and out of his business.

What a drag? Who gives a sh*t about a list? Now go line up for your shot. Whether jab or firing squad. Same boshevistic result.

Lol. This motherfocker said list. Lol. I’m worried about being listed as a criminal.........by criminals.

Roger.

You obviously don’t understand the concept of combat.

Nope. I understand it. A lot of my Stuff is in trusts.

I Also know that it sure as shit isn't going to stop the atf or etc from taking what's mine if they decide to.

Point blank, the ATF is already stepping over very ironclad laws left and right by doing several of the things they've been doing more and more in the last few months. (Really accelerating now that joe's in)

It also doesn't change that erik holder and the Dems tried and just barely failed at killing trusts several points from 2008-2016.

It also doesn't change that they straight don't give a fuck about the law now anyway. (See my post a couple pages back about what they're doing to everyone who bought from one legit 07FFL wrt their form 1 suppressor kits and their form 4 factory built suppressors they sold)

They just announced that TODAY.

And the way they're going about that situation is outright black letter illegal under the 1985 FOPA law.

There's nothing wrong with putting your shit in trusts.. it may actually be a good idea (right up until they ban trusts all together and start seizing everyone's trust guns they can find)

But at the same time, acting like this actually protects you in any significant way other than in very limited cases until they close this "loophole" (their words not mine)
isn't ok with me.


People need to know that this only protects them in extremely specific circumstances and only to the limited degree that the feds and state authorities ALLOW IT TO.

Not in the least. Last real American standing. Independent of politics. Militarist. Nationalist.

Would you like to make even more? Feds know me well. Amicable working relationship.

Agreed. My intent for this is very specific and focused. I just feel it would be better to be structured this way vs not just in case it gets bad but not THAT bad.

Memorandum of trust does not disclose the contents of said trust. However, it can add to legitimacy of formation and settlement.

OP seriously if we need to put our guns in "Trusts" then you really do NOT know what you are doing.

Lolz

If you don’t demonstrate competence of law and civics, should you have a gun/rifle? In the grand scheme...?

Ok. LOL. Just go about your business as normal.

Trusts are 100$ legal and used by people in the know.

A Trust is a legal "entity", just like a person. It's treated the exact same way under the law and has 100+ years of legal precedent and 1000's of court cases behind it.

It's not even in the same realm as the Sovereign Citizen bullshit.

Do a quick look online for lawyers in your area that offer services in trusts, wills, estate planning, and probate.

They are 100% legal and 100% accepted by the courts.

People (usually wealthy people) that want to protect their assets use trusts.

It's easy to research and you probably have 100 lawyers (not that you need one for a trust) in a 10 miles radius of where you live that offer services to create a trust(s) for you.

Read and learn.

Ecclesia
Cestui Que Vie

^Your divine trust.

No one here has addressed equity.

I digress.

Is there a better phrase than "Depriving me of my Constitutional Rights under color of law"
? (for govt violating the 2nd amendment)

Divine Law
Universal Law
Natural Law
Man’s Law

In that order.

If they pass laws to Infringe on my Right to keep and bear arms (like they don't already) and the Supreme Court refuses to hear it, Would that would render our govt totally illegal, and not the legitimate govt?...and, thus, the enemy of our country and The People.

Last Edited by Bennder on 03/11/2021 09:24 PM

My guns will be taken from my cold dead hands. That is if someone gets past all those toe poppers I made with the ammo...