Own Firearms? DO THIS NOW and thank me later

If it's legal, you can do it!

And for the record, feds don’t fool with sensible people with guns. Extremists, however....

Sell? A firearm? You are suggesting that's ever going to happen?

Eh doesn't matter for me, since I lost all mine in that boating accident in February.

How could anyone vote down this thread? Do we have some commie gun haters in here?

Yes, some blue names are vocal about it.

I am going to give you a suggestion,

Was it Napoleon who said, "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake"?

IMHO, the dims are making a HUGE mistake. A large percentage of dims including the foot soldiers will turn against them for any heavy handed arms bans, taxes, or whatever.

Bill Clinton said later that the 1994 assault weapons law cost them 20 seats in the House. That is how Newt and the GOP took over the house and neutered Clinton.

Same stupidity; different year.

If a trust is revocable, a judge can order you to revoke any trust you created and return property to you. Your stuff can then be legally stolen. If you fail to comply, you're in contempt of court.

I'm not a lawyer, so I'll defer to those that are.

So, I debated even bothering to say this but you need to know.

There's a story today on a gun blog about a form 1 suppressor manufacturer who got raided awhile ago having it's website seized today

AND

The atf is now telling everyone who owns a registered suppressor whether form 1 or form 4 from them that they need to surrender them to the ATF and if they don't they are in possession of a federally illegal item.

How does this apply to what you're saying?

Tax stamped form 1 & 4 suppressors are actually LEGALLY PROTECTED under the 1985 firearms owner protection act UNLIKE firearms trust which are dubiously legal ar The Best of times.

The moral here is that the atf is essentially telling people that they have to surrender their entirely legal tax stamped suppressors to ATF even though there is NOTHING in firearm's law that gives the ATF the right or authority to do so much less prosecute you if you don't.

I know it's hard to let go of the idea that we live in a nation of laws where you can legally protect yourself from government overreach etc.


But that was always bullshit. Now it's not only bullshit but they're also not even pretending to give a fuck about whether what they're doing is "legal" anymore.

I haven't managed to look through ALL the house resolutions pertaining to gun control currently on the congressional agenda yet (minimum 8 separate laws and counting so far) But you can rest assured based on what's in the bills we have full access to the text of and etc that they not only have not forgotten about firearm trusts but that there's actively going to be something in at least one of these bills which will specifically deal with trust "loopholes" by name.

Idk how old you are but during the first two Obama terms we came close to losing firearms trusts multiple times (not that they're binding or that the atf gives a shit about the law anyway now)

You can rest assured though that this being obama's third term, gun trusts will be on the list of things they specifically attack by name!

Don't get me wrong, I get it. It's terrifying thinking that we've finally run out of room to back up and that the time is coming in the very near future where the only choice will be to either hand over your guns or fight when they come to take them.

But that is genuinely where we are.

This thing today with the suppressor and suppressor kit manufacturer shows that undeniably.

What the ATF is doing in that situation very specifically violates laws put in place to protect gun owners.

If you think that they wouldn't dare do that to everyone you're just plain wrong. The particular company they raided has legally sold tens of thousands of suppressors and suppressor kits!

That didn't slow the atf down one bit though.

Neither did what they're doing being blatantly illegal.

This is just reality.

In times like these being dishonest with yourself about what the situation really is is one of the faster ways to get yourself hurt or killed...


I know none of us wanted it to come to this or something like this, but the nightmare scenario is here on our doorstep whether we want it or not.

Now it's on us to decide what to do about it

Sounds like some sovereign citizen bullshit. How about buying a 12" PVC pipe, cap both ends, fill with guns and ammo. Bury...

The police come to get them. You have no idea where they are?

They can't do shit. Maybe a neighbor stole them? Maybe your wife hid them. Etc...

Another thought, since dead people are allowed vote, they can buy guns too. If you don't have any laws already requiring any background checks for transfer of firearms, write up bills of sale for Larry King and Robin Williams.

I am going to give you a suggestion, run with it if you like or ignore it totally. I am not providing legal advice, this is just me telling a story, so listen to my story or ignore it, your choice.


I suggest that you create an individual REVOCABLE TRUST for EACH FIREARM you own and assign ownership of a firearm into the given trust. This means each trust you create will own ONE firearm. If you have 10 firearms, you have 10 trusts. You can also assign ammo into the trust if you like.

They can even be named in numbered order:

OK Coral Firearms #1 Revocable Trust
OK Coral Firearms #2 Revocable Trust
OK Coral Firearms #3 Revocable Trust

...etc

You will need at least one Trustee (you) and a beneficiary.

Trusts cost NOTHING to form (unlike filing a LLC or corporation) and do NOT have to be part of any public record. To establish the date the trust was created so it can not be disputed later make sure your signature is NOTARIZED when you form the trust.

Now... once you do this you no longer technically own the firearm, the trust does. This means that if you wish to transfer that trust to anyone else in the future you simply add a Trustee to the trust and then you can resign from the trust. That is not a transfer or sale of the firearm.

The new trustee now has control of the trust, and the firearm, and no "transfer" has taken place.

Do this BEFORE it is signed into law, if it looks like that is going to happen. I predict it will happen.

You are welcome.

a contract and probably trust cannot have an illegal purpose, you couldn’t put cocaine in a trust and expect to be protected, so if guns are made illegal you can not shield yourself with a trust.

a contract and probably trust cannot have an illegal purpose, you couldn’t put cocaine in a trust and expect to be protected, so if guns are made illegal you can not shield yourself with a trust.

Bumping this comment b/c it needs to be on more than one page.

People, do a little research. This looks like it's rather complex to do properly. It's commonly done with NFA firearms, and is more than printing out a trust document and signing it.

I am going to give you a suggestion, run with it if you like or ignore it totally. I am not providing legal advice, this is just me telling a story, so listen to my story or ignore it, your choice.


I suggest that you create an individual REVOCABLE TRUST for EACH FIREARM you own and assign ownership of a firearm into the given trust. This means each trust you create will own ONE firearm. If you have 10 firearms, you have 10 trusts. You can also assign ammo into the trust if you like.

They can even be named in numbered order:

OK Coral Firearms #1 Revocable Trust
OK Coral Firearms #2 Revocable Trust
OK Coral Firearms #3 Revocable Trust

...etc

You will need at least one Trustee (you) and a beneficiary.

Trusts cost NOTHING to form (unlike filing a LLC or corporation) and do NOT have to be part of any public record. To establish the date the trust was created so it can not be disputed later make sure your signature is NOTARIZED when you form the trust.

Now... once you do this you no longer technically own the firearm, the trust does. This means that if you wish to transfer that trust to anyone else in the future you simply add a Trustee to the trust and then you can resign from the trust. That is not a transfer or sale of the firearm.

The new trustee now has control of the trust, and the firearm, and no "transfer" has taken place.

Do this BEFORE it is signed into law, if it looks like that is going to happen. I predict it will happen.

You are welcome.

Wow what an ingenious way to document how many firearms you own and how much ammo for each.

Are their any good internet lawyers that will comment on this idea?

But they are not illegal. People who put their full auto ones in a trust WHEN THEY WERE LEGAL still have them in the trust. These loopholes were made for the rich. The peasants are not supposed to be smart enough to use them.

Trusts are not fraud, this is how many people own class III weapons. No reason you can't add normal firearms....

All of my kids are part of my trust...the trust owns all of our weapons

I just did. I do estate planning. And it’s a GREAT idea and I’m ashamed I didn’t think of it.