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The True History of Africa and South Africa

 
WhiteFly  (OP)

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In The Plot Against South Africa the whole process of subverting and overthrowing the white government is explained in high detail. It was a global commie war on a small Christian nation. Today the country is run by terrorist communists masquerading as "democracy" and the country has gone to shit in typical communist (and African) fashion. The hope for Africa was extinguished and then followed the second hope, Libya. All by the same bastards.

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We were the trial run. America is next...Canada, Australia and the UK are already gone and they don't even know it.
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Thomas Sowell is one of the finest thinkers ever. I will watch the videos later.

wish he had gone into law and found his way to the Supreme Court, for all our sakes

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BTW, I wonder how the death of the Zulu king will impact the political landscape in South Africa...well the new king that is...historically the Zulu king's relations with the Afrikaners is a mixed bag, but mostly positive...

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The Zulus have always been one of the nobler black tribes. I never gave much attention to Goodwill Zwelitini but, yes, what, and who, follows him should be interesting to watch.
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Today I present some of the lies, and the truths, of Apartheid, from chapter 2 of The Plot Against South Africa. . A longish read but not too much.

But first...as some background...Y'all know cyborg Joe. This video was still real (asshole) Joe.

Joe Biden slams the South African system in this video from a Senate hearing on 23 July 1986. Clearly was he no friend of the South African white man. - 7:37.




Chapter 2
Facts or Fiction?



You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all of the time.
Abraham Lincoln


Hardly a day passes but the mass-media in the West let fly at South Africa in large headlines. You need only glance at an establishment newspaper or any of the evening news broadcasts on TV. South Africa has the place of honour right at the top of the establishment hate list; the forces that form "world opinion" and manipulate it as they please. The methods that they use range from downright lies, half-truths, falsifications to contrived pictures and "objective" reports that leave out the most important parts.

South Africa is a classic example of successful psychological warfare on the part of those who wish it nothing but ill, and indeed it is very difficult for the ordinary citizen to distinguish between truth and falsehood.

To most people everything they read in the papers or see on television is quite simply the truth. They believe in their "democratic constitutional state" and of course in a "free press" with its national patriotic duty to inform the lieges objectively and truthfully. They forget all too easily that the mass-media are in the hands of private and usually international interest groups whose aims go far beyond maximization of profits and "the public's right to information", as we shall see in due course.

Let us take a closer look at the accusations most frequently leveled at South Africa:

"Apartheid legislation in South Africa means racist oppression and exploitation of the blacks, and it is an offence against human rights in general."

The Afrikaans word apartheid means nothing more nor less than "separation", with the additional implication of "separate development". The rationale of such legislation is based on the recognition of the multiplicity of the population, as we saw in the previous chapter. The different stages of development of the different peoples, black, white and coloured, necessarily required a very special system of legislation to protect and preserve the characteristic culture of each, and (particularly in the case of the blacks) to avoid racially-determined disputes.

The main buttresses of the policy were separate residential areas, separate schools and separate amenities such as cinemas, theatres, lavatories, parks, hospitals and so on. (Now that some of these things are no longer regarded as necessary the restrictions are being abolished.) There can be no question of oppression or exploitation; the converse is nearer the truth. The blacks in South Africa own more houses, cars and businesses and have a higher standard of living than the blacks in any other part of the African continent. They are paid three or four times more than elsewhere in Africa. That is one of the chief reasons why so many thousands of blacks try to immigrate to South Africa from the neighbouring countries every year.

Nor, despite the views of the UNO, can apartheid be regarded as an offence against human rights; otherwise, surely, there would not be so many separatist movements all over the world, in which peoples fight tooth and nail for their own "separate development" and autonomy.

Nowhere is apartheid more strongly marked than among the blacks themselves. If a Zulu woman were to marry a Tswana -to which few would feel inclined - she would be expelled from nope or put to death by her own family for "disgracing" it.

Intelligent and honest blacks have assured me quite frankly that they regard apartheid as natural and that they welcome it. Of course, what the enemies of South Africa have made of the word and convey to the world is something completely different and entirely devoid of foundation.

On 31.8.85 the South African government made an official statement to the Foreign Ministers of Luxembourg, Italy and the Netherlands and the European Commissioner for External Affairs which makes that quite clear: "If apartheid meant political domination of one ethnic group by another; exclusion of any community from the political decision-making process; injustice or absence of equality of opportunity for all; racial discrimination or violation of human rights; - if apartheid meant all those things, then the South African Government also rejects that concept."

"South Africa is a police state."

To every thousand people in South Africa there are 1,4 policemen. By comparison there are 2,2 in Great Britain, 3,5 in Israel, 4,3 in New York and 10 in Moscow. The entire South African police force is smaller than the police forces of the American states of Chicago and New York. More¬ over, most policemen in South Africa are non-white. At the last count there were 16 292 white policemen and 19177 of black, coloured or Asian origin.

The South African police are also accused of murdering political dissidents and responsibility for the suicides of arrested persons. According to the most recent statistics available to me, during the years 1979 and 1980 there was not a single fatality in South African prisons. In the previous ten years 37 detainees under investigation died.

Compare for example England and Wales, where 274 detainees died between the years 1970 and 1979. In 1980 alone 63 persons under investigation died, and fifteen prisoners committed suicide in British prisons in 1981.

"South Africa pays starvation wages to its eighteen million blacks."

By 1974 the average monthly earnings of black workers in productive industry were the equivalent of 127 US dollars (usually with considerable extras in kind and other perks). At the same time 24 million workers in the USA, the richest country in the world, were earning less than 140 dollars a month. Since then black wages have risen at a proportionately higher rate than white pay. For example, a black factory-worker in Johannesburg needs to work 12 minutes to earn enough to buy a kilogram of rice, 38 minutes for 750 ml of vegetable oil and 363 hours for a colour TV set. A white worker in Moscow would have to work 54 minutes, 118 minutes and 701 hours respectively for these things.

"The blacks in South Africa hate the whites."

That is simply not true. Relations between black and white in South Africa are better than in Great Britain or the USA. It is far safer for a white to walk the streets of Soweto or any other black township than it would be in Harlem, Watts, the centre of Detroit or many other big American towns.

American visitors to South Africa are often astonished at the number of black people who smile at them in the streets.

"There are thousands of political prisoners in South Africa."

What are called political prisoners are in reality terrorists and revolutionaries working for the overthrow of the government. In 1983 there were 127 such prisoners in South Africa: eleven others were restricted in their movements and contacts with other people by a government order, and there were 32 more under house arrest: 170 altogether. By contrast, in Northern Ireland there were over fifteen hundred political prisoners, and there are many millions in the compulsory labour camps in the USSR, Red China, Cuba and other communist countries.

Where do we see demonstrations on behalf of those people? In the states next door to South Africa alone there are many more (real) political prisoners than in South Africa itself.

"The blacks are horribly exploited by the whites."

On the contrary. A million white taxpayers, two hundred thousand coloureds and two hundred thousand Asians subsidize eleven million blacks. Blacks in South Africa pay practically no income tax. The whites subsidize their housing, medical care, transport and education.

"The black majority is denied the right to vote; only the whites can vote."

In the first place there is no "black majority"; there are nine completely different black peoples and hundreds of tribes almost all antagonistic to one another. The Xhosa, VaVenda or Basuto would not tolerate living under the domination of the Zulus or vice versa.

Democratic voting is an invention of the white man's culture as it has evolved over thousands of years, and it is most unusual in the authoritarian structures of African tribal units. The chief gives the orders, and the people obey. In the African countries where the vote has been introduced, it usually turned out to because of one man, one vote, once. Most countries in Africa are now either Marxist dictatorships or one-party states in which no opposition parties are tolerated.

In the South African tricameral parliamentary system the whites, the Indians and the coloureds all have the vote. The blacks can vote in their own autonomous tribal territories. At present attempts are being made to devise some form of suffrage for the urbanized blacks living in the big industrial towns.

But there can be no acceptance of a voting system such as is possible in the homogeneous states in Europe; for in South Africa with its multiplicity of peoples it would inevitably lead to the exclusive domination of all the other groups by the strongest; and neither the whites nor the black tribal leaders are prepared to accept that.

"There is no freedom of the press in South Africa."

In South Africa there are more daily papers in opposition to the government than in all ten of the neighbouring independent black states put together. Apart from certain restrictions for reasons of security, the prohibition of communist propaganda and recent restrictions on what may be published during the state of emergency, the press can criticize the government and its transgressions to its heart's content. The English¬ language press in particular makes full use of that freedom. Despite the restrictions, the South African press is the freest in all Africa.

"The whites took the blacks' land away from them and 'removed' them to 13,7% of the country."

Historically South Africa belongs to the white settlers, who have been in permanent occupation (as distinct from conquest) since 1652. They have "right of priority" by settlement, and there is hardly any area in white South Africa that was taken from the blacks by conquest. In the same way the blacks have priority right to possession of their "homelands", which they still inhabit and where they exercise autonomy or have acquired their independence. Historically Botswana, Lesotho and Swaziland also belong to South African territory; so that the blacks actually occupy fifty per cent, not thirteen per cent, of the land mass.

It must also be borne in mind that seventy per cent of South Africa is uninhabited, since it consists largely of mountain and desert. Under normal climatic conditions only ten per cent can be cultivated.

Since the black nations had settled as pastoralists in well-watered regions, some of the best agricultural land in the subcontinent now belongs to the self-administered or already independent states. It is estimated that 48% of the cultivable soil in South Africa is situated in those black states. Over 75% of its area receives an annual precipitation of more than 500 millimeters, compared with an average of 430 for the rest of South Africa.

"The homelands' are desolate, barren regions where the blacks can barely keep body and soul together."

To that one can only reply that it was the blacks themselves who selected those areas centuries ago in the course of their southward migrations. Apart from that, they are in fact far from being such poor barren areas as all that. In Bophuthatswana, the independent homeland of the Tswana people, there are the largest platinum deposits in the whole of Southern Africa; and
gold is won as a by-product of the big mines.

To the question whether it was true that his people had been dumped in a worthless region the Chief Minister of another homeland, Lebowa, replied: "No, that isn't true. We've got everything here but diamonds and oil. We've got all the other minerals. As for agriculture, we've got some very rich parts of South Africa with good rainfall, good soil. I think our stockbreeding is among the best, and our wheat and maize potential is pretty high. People who say that we've been dumped in dry and barren regions can't be referring to us; they must be thinking about somebody else."

Apart from the fact that conditions are similar in the other homelands, it would still be unreasonable to hold the whites responsible if things were otherwise.

"The blacks are discriminated against' in South Africa."

Well, what does that mean? When we "discriminate" (Latin discrimino I distinguish) we are simply recognizing the difference of another.
If I see my wife struggling to carry a piece of heavy iron plate and I take it from her because I am stronger, then I am "discriminating". If I would rather be treated by a white doctor than by an African witch-doctor, then I am "discriminating".

When in the army in South West Africa only Bushman soldiers are used as trackers rather than white soldiers, then the whites are being "discriminated against".

These few examples should suffice to show how far the word "discriminate" has been turned into a mere catch-phrase. Of course the blacks are discriminated against, but not because they are black; rather because in so many respects they are simply different from whites.

Anybody who is capable of recognizing the great variety of living creatures with all their different qualities and aptitudes must inevitably "discriminate" without that being misinterpreted in a purely negative sense. As a psychiatrist will tell you: The first sign of idiocy is inability to discriminate.

"The anti-terrorist legislation in South Africa is a violation of human rights."

Anybody who compares the South African laws, particularly those for the prevention of terrorism with others, will be astonished to find how similar they are. The Prevention of Terrorism Act passed by the British Parliament in 1974 is a parallel to the South African laws that declare membership or support of an officially prohibited organization illegal.

That Act also provides that any person suspected of any such offence may be detained for up to seven days without trial; and on one occasion 566 persons have been locked up in England by the Merseyside police under the Act. In the Netherlands a suspect may be held for twelve days before appearing before a judge. If he is charged he can be detained for a further three months before a trial is fixed.

In the German Federal Republic an Act was passed in 1983 to allow the police to break up "demonstrators" regardless of whether the demonstration was violent or not. Anybody who does not comply with the corresponding police ordinances may be sentenced to a year's imprisonment.

As a result of historical experience and the realities of Africa, the South African legislation places more emphasis on preventive measures, such as longer periods of investigation, than in Europe. That is also true of banning orders with restricted freedom of movement or house arrests. In South Africa in August 1983 there were 170 persons affected by these laws as compared with 1 560 detainees in Northern Ireland.

The effectiveness of the South African anti-terrorist legislation can be seen from the following examples (the present state of emergency cannot be taken as a criterion): In South Africa in 1982 there were 39 cases of terrorism, compared with 51 in the USA. France recorded 112 cases in 30 months. In Northern Ireland there were 382 terrorist shooting incidents and 219 bombings. In addition there were 580 cases of armed raids and 499 cases of arson in which 97 persons were killed, including 57 civilians.

"South Africa attempts to ' destabilize ' its neighbours."

Any time South Africa carries out a small limited commando action against a terrorist base on the other side of the border operating against South Africa and used as a sanctuary - often with the connivance of the government of the country - South Africa is accused of "destabilizing" its neighbours; although such actions are perfectly permissible under international law.

If South Africa were really trying to destabilize its neighbours (and valuable trading partners) then it has been applying some very odd strategies. South African exports of food alone to other African countries are well over a thousand million rands' worth a year. Without those deliveries of foodstuffs the countries concerned would suffer continual famines, which would make their governments far more unstable than they already are.

In the financial year 1982-83 South Africa paid R314 million to Botswana, Lesotho and Swaziland and 341 million to the Transkei, Bophuthatswana, Venda and the Ciskei in dues as a member of the customs union of those countries.

The importance of the South African contribution to their economic stability can be seen, for example, from the fact that in 1984-85 the domestic budget of Lesotho amounted to R304,7 million, of which Rl 09 million came from the customs union agreement with South Africa alone.

Then there is the South African labour market, which employs over two million migratory workers from the neighbouring countries, most of whose earnings are sent back home. The multifarious forms of assistance given by South Africa in all fields, as we have mentioned in the previous chapter, clearly prove that South Africa, far from destabilizing its neighbours, is precisely the factor on which their stability mainly depends.

"The blacks are housed in slums and have to live in ghettos like Soweto."

First of all, nobody is forced to go to Soweto, the huge black township just outside Johannesburg, unless he voluntarily abandons his tribal associations in the "homelands". Secondly, Soweto is neither a slum nor a ghetto of the sort that we are familiar with in South America, India, the other African countries and even the USA.

Anybody who has made a tour of this huge conurbation will have observed that here, like everywhere else, there are three classes: poor, middle and upper. Dwellings range from millionaires' villas with well-tended gardens to rows of simple "matchbox houses" which are within the resources of most blacks at a subsidized rent of about forty rands a month.

By 1978 Soweto had 115 football pitches, three rugby pitches, four athletics fields, eleven cricket pitches, two golf-courses, 47 tennis-courts, seven swimming-pools (some of Olympic standard), five bowling alleys, 81 basket-ball pitches, 39 children's playgrounds and innumerable com¬ munity halls, cinemas and clubhouses. There are 300 churches, 365 schools, 2 technical high schools, 8 clinics, 63 crèches, 11 post offices and a fruit and vegetable market.

Baragwanath, the vast black hospital in Soweto with three thousand beds, is one of the biggest and most up-to-date in the world. Its 23operating theatres are provided with the most modern equipment in the world. The maintenance costs of this hospital, in which black patients pay a nominal fee of two rands - there is no national health insurance in South Africa - are treated, operated on and given post-treatment for an indefinite period, are higher than the annual budget of some of the smaller member-states of the United Nations.

The hospital employs a staff of eight thousand, including 450 doctors on full-time service, and it treats over 112 000 in-patients and 1 620 000 out¬ patients a year. It is interesting that ninety per cent of the blood-donors to this black hospital are white.

At 34,8 per thousand the infant mortality rate for Soweto is lower than that for Harlem in New York.

Dr Kenneth Walker, a Canadian medical doctor, recently wrote of Soweto: "l saw many houses in Soweto that had cost a hundred thousand dollars and had a BMW standing in the garage entrance. All the houses there are single-storied. Many had been recently painted. Many have flower-pots in the windows and lawns in front. Only two per cent are shanties. If I had the choice between living in Soweto or in one of the run-down blocks of flats in New York, Chicago or Detroit, it wouldn't take me a minute to plump for Soweto.

"The Canadians will no doubt be shocked when I say that I'd rather be injured or sick in Soweto than in many Canadian towns. In Soweto there are eight clinics supported by the government and several private doctors. There is also Baragwanath Hospital, an outstanding teaching hospital ... in which 898 heart operations were performed in 1982 alone. Baragwanath is the biggest and most versatile hospital in the whole African continent. Next door there is the St John's eye clinic. It is world-famous for its treatment of glaucoma, detached retina, traumatic eye injuries and rare tropical diseases." (From Globe and Mail, quoted in Vox Africana no. 31, October 1987).

In Soweto there are over 2300 registered firms owned by black business¬ men, including a thousand private taxi concerns. Of the fifty thousand car owners three per cent drive a Mercedes-Benz. The township has more schools, churches, cars, taxis and sportsfields than many independent African countries. No wonder vehicles can be seen everywhere with stickers declaring "I Love Soweto". The same is true of many other "black ghettos" in South Africa.

"In the South African mines more (black) workers get killed through inadequate safety precautions than anywhere else in the world."

In 1986 the South African coal-mines showed their absolutely lowest accident rate. The South African Chamber of Mines announced the fact at the time. In the previous year the rate of fatal accidents had been only half the figure for American mines. For three years the rate for the mines controlled by the Chamber has been steadily falling, and that for the previous year, one death per three thousand employees, is the lowest ever attained in this branch of industry. It is less than half the rate for the year 1984.

For the South African gold-mines a number of circumstances make accurate comparisons difficult. The South African gold-mines are the deepest in the world; some of them as deep as four thousand metres below the surface. That results in extraordinary conditions of heat and pressure, so that the gold-bearing quartz rock is among the hardest on earth.

If we compare the mines in the USA with those of South Africa (though they are only remotely comparable) we find a fatal accident rate of O,93 there as against 1,25 for South African gold-mines. But if we exclude the fatal accidents resulting from sudden pressure bursts caused by the extreme depths we have a rate of 0,95 per thousand, which is not significantly higher than the American rate.32

"The blacks are deliberately kept stupid and ignorant."

This year (1987) over six million black children are going to school in South Africa - a new record figure. In the previous year nearly eighteen hundred new classrooms were built for secondary schools, which is equivalent to about a hundred and thirty new schools. (But for the losses caused by the wanton burning and destruction of schools by mobs during the disturbances a few years ago the educational opportunities available to blacks would be even greater.)

Within the last ten years the expenditures on black education have risen from R143 million to 1,15 thousand million-an eightfold increase! All this is part of a ten-year plan to bring black education in every respect up to the level of the much older and better established systems of the other population groups.

"The South African police and army are terrorizing the blacks in the townships and should be withdrawn."

After politically-motivated black gangs in the townships had murdered over six hundred black "collaborators", mostly by the ghastly "necklace" method, and other criminal elements had begun to take advantage of the situation, in the course of the state of emergency and at the behest of the black local authorities, the government decided to take stronger security action in defence of the black population. The army and the police were received by the overwhelming majority of black citizens with relief and gratitude - but also with the reproach: "Why do you only come now? It was high time; we were at the end of our tether." The young white soldiers on duty in the townships at night were often given coffee and biscuits by grateful black inhabitants.

In a petition to the Minister of Police over a thousand townsmen of Sebokeng asked for increased police protection. As the inhabitants said to Aida Parker, a Johannesburg journalist: "Those people who don't want the police in the townships mustn't come here to live and work. We need protection against criminal violence and terrorism. So many houses are being attacked and robbed, women raped, householders killed and maimed. By day or night nobody can be sure of his life anymore ... We've had enough of being terrorized."

"ln South Africa children are being locked up in gaols."

Under the heading "What is to be done with murderous children?" the journalist Peter Young husband wrote in The Washington Times (11.12.86): "The world reacted with indignation to the admission by the South African government that in all South Africa 256 children had been arrested without trial. This reaction was understandable. Arrest without trial is abominable and undemocratic, especially when the victims are between the ages of 11 and 15. But the reports generally fail to mention that many of the detained children are hardened criminals and many of them are even murderers.

The South African government is now confronted with the following problem: What is to be done with criminal children? The answer ought to be: Put them before a juvenile court and sentence them. But South Africa is in a state of revolution. The police and the judiciary are heavily over¬ burdened. The inquiries and formalities that must precede a fair trial in court are in many cases several months in arrears. Meanwhile the young detainees must be interned somewhere, somehow. A few years ago most of them would have been released in the custody of their parents until their trial came up. But now even eight-year-old children are forced into revolutionary roles. The release of a child detained on evidence or suspicion of revolutionary violence would have his immediate return to the revolution as a consequence.

Take for example the case of 24-year-old Rosaline Skosana, who died in the black township of Duduza in July 1985. As she was attending the funeral of an anti-apartheid activist, she was accused of being a collaborator by young activists, the so-called 'comrades', on the grounds that she had once had relations with a (black) policeman. Within seconds she was surrounded by the crowd, dreadfully beaten up, doused with petrol and set on fire, and as she lay dying they continued stoning and kicking her.

Long after her body had ceased to twitch under the hail of blows with sticks, stones and kicks the corpse was still being kicked and stoned by the jeering mob dancing round it. One or two of the attackers even went so far as to throw big, heavy stones at the horribly mangled, scorched, half-naked body for the benefit of the (foreign) camera crews who were filming the scene.

The films showed that some of the murderers of Rosaline Skosana were children less than twelve years old. Hardened journalists reporting on the violence in the black townships were repeatedly shocked by the participation of small children in 'necklace executions', in which the victim has a tire soaked in petrol placed round his neck and is set on fire.

Teenagers and younger children are often in the front ranks in attacks on the police with stones, acts of arson and sabotage. Witnesses have testified in several court cases that the African National Congress, sup¬ ported by the Kremlin, urges its fighters in the black townships to use small children at the head of their attacks on property and the police, well aware that wounded or dead children would put the government in a highly embarrassing situation. Children used in that way become indifferent to death and grow up as callous criminals who carry out their tasks with the fearlessness characteristic of young people and with astounding courage. If the security forces are confronted with children prepared for murder and arson they have no alternative but to arrest them. Then the government finds itself in the dilemma of detained children to whose predicament they are in general not indifferent. The detained children are normally not kept in solitary confinement and are usually kept separate from adult prisoners and criminals. As far as possible they are sent to 'reorientation' camps until their release.

The Minister of Justice, Kobus Coetzee, has often expressed his concern over the detained children. Only recently he arranged a high-level investigation of their social relations and living conditions. 'I would much prefer it if these children were under the care of their parents,' he said, 'but that is not always possible .. .' "

(According to the most recent reports - June 1987 - only eleven children are still in custody awaiting trial for particularly serious offences.)

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Thomas Sowell is one of the finest thinkers ever. I will watch the videos later.

wish he had gone into law and found his way to the Supreme Court, for all our sakes
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I know lots of the things happening during Apartheid was wrong...and evil...but even more things is wrong and evil in the South Africa of today...pity that everything has the white man did in my country must be undone...even the good too...and setting straight some facts makes you the South African equivalent of a Holocaust denier...it's always all or nothing...
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In the last years of Apartheid the white government was working diligently to integrate and uplift the blacks. Most of the most oppressive and discriminatory laws were abolished and the black gained more freedom than ever before.

Despite that though the government was still internationally and locally vilified and put under severe pressure to capitulate to the black or face destruction at the hands of the globally backed ANC terrorist organisation whose story is too extensive to publish here. For the whole story I'd recommend reading chapter 12 of The Plot Against South Africa, "The role of the "Liberation Movements". Therein are the ANC exposed for what they truly are and the internationally funded and backed terror campaign they waged against innocent South Africans of all races in the name of "Black liberation".

In a nutshell however, let's take a brief look at who and what the ANC was and is today. From Land Reform & Farm Murders In South Africa: The Untold Story Of The Boers And The ANC at Abundant-Hope (otherwise known on GLP as Crazybullshit.net)

A Brief History of South Africa: The Rise of the ANC and Nelson Mandela

The Suppression of Communism Act was the instrument used to outlaw the African National Congress. While the ANC is typically thought of as a democratic-liberal organization, this is simply not true.

The ANC's closest ally was the South African Communist Party. Indeed, Nelson Mandela, the face of anti-apartheid resistance, was not only a member of the SACP, he served on its Central Committee, something he denied for decades. The SACP has never to this day contested its own candidates in South Africa, instead fielding their people on ANC slates.

What's more, the SACP partnered with the ANC in forming Umkhonto we Sizwe ("Spear of the Nation"), the paramilitary wing of the anti-apartheid movement.

The average person on the street likely thinks that Nelson Mandela was imprisoned simply for being black or opposing apartheid. In fact, he was imprisoned for a bombing campaign carried out by Umkhonto we Sizwe, of which he was the head. In fact, Nelson Mandela was convicted of 193 acts of terrorism. He was offered his freedom multiple times on the simple condition that he condemn terrorist attacks against the apartheid regime. He refused every time.

The ANC was not the only organization in South Africa opposed to apartheid. Many white South Africans saw the system as unsustainable. However, outside of South Africa, the situation was largely posed by the media as a question of "apartheid forever or the ANC."

The ANC and its allies in the Communist Party and the trade union congress COSATU (known as the tripartite alliance) were not the only alternative to the ruling National Party and thus apartheid. The Progressive Federal Party was the main parliamentary opposition to apartheid, which, as the name implies, was in favor of a federated South Africa. The New Republic Party was likewise in favor of power sharing and oriented toward reconciliation with the Commonwealth.

The New Republic Party and the Progressive Federal Party were also bitter enemies. The New Republic Party was a conservative party denounced as racists by the Progressive Federal Party. The Progressive Federal Party was a liberal party derided by the NRP with the nickname "Packing for Perth," due to the impression that their members were all emigrating to Australia. Two-thirds of South African whites supported some sort of federalism or power sharing, but moderate elements never received any international support.

Nor was the ANC the sole representative of South African blacks. Zulu nationalists, currently represented by the Inkatha Freedom Party, were often bitter enemies of the ANC by the 1980s. Many black South Africans served in the police force and other aspects of the government, leading to the rise of a barbaric form of retribution known as "necklacing." This is filling a tire with gasoline, hanging it around the neck of a suspected collaborator or political opponent, and lighting the tire on fire. Death can take several hours.

Winnie Mandela, then-wife of Nelson Mandela, declared that "With our boxes of matches, and our necklaces, we shall liberate this country." This caused the ANC to create some distance between itself and her, but ultimately she was given further positions in the movement and the ANC government.

A Brief History of South Africa: The ANC in the Saddle

In 1994, the African National Congress took power in South Africa. At this time, its paramilitary organization was integrated into the country's regular defense forces. Convicted bomber Robert McBride, praised by no less than IRA terrorist Martin McGuinness, is the Executive Director of the Independent Police Investigative Directorate. Touted as the "Rainbow Nation," the fall of apartheid in South Africa was part of an overall feeling of optimism throughout the world surrounding the Fall of Communism.

However, not everything was roses in the new Republic of South Africa. The Truth and Reconciliation Commission was an attempt to lay bare the crimes of the apartheid regime. The tribunal, which did not dispense with sentences, but merely sought to find the truth, has been criticized for not dispensing any justice. Neither former National Party government members nor ANC partisans were punished by the Commission.

The elephant in the room at all times was an overwhelming increase in the crime rate. The term "rape gate" entered popular parlance as South Africans installed panic room doors on their bedrooms. Crime is the main reason for emigration from South Africa. The 2013 murder rate was seven times that of the United States, the 11th highest in the world. Between 2005 and 2015, over 200,000 South Africans were murdered - this in a country of about 50 million. There were over 17,000 murders in 2013 alone. Compare this to just over 14,000 in the United States during the same year, despite the fact that South Africa's population is approximately equivalent to two states - California and Texas.

This is only the official murder rate. Many suspect that the rate is higher, due to a disengagement from formal policing and a reliance upon private security firms. Quality of public services has likewise deteriorated, with rolling blackouts being the norm in South Africa.
The ANC presides over what is potentially the largest welfare state in the world, according to economist Mike Schussler in 2010. Six percent (3.3 million South Africans) of the population pays 99 percent of the taxes, while 31 percent (16.4 million) receive social grants. This means there are five South Africans receiving welfare for every one paying taxes. 71 percent of South African children live in houses where no adult is employed.

South Africa has a sweeping affirmative action quota program. Employee demographics must, under the South African Employment Equity Act, represent the racial demographics of South Africa as a whole. This means that, for example, the national power company was pressured to fire a number of skilled white engineers, while the country was going through rolling blackouts. The country currently has a labor shortage of approximately 800,000 skilled workers.

The affirmative action program has not lead to a significant increase in the number of skilled black technical workers. In 1994, 15 percent of black South Africans held skilled technical positions. In 2014, this percentage had increased to 18. Meanwhile, between 1992 and 1997, the number of skilled technical degrees dropped by 13 percent while the number of degrees in public administration and social services skyrocketed by 199 percent.

Finally, the specter of corruption has hung over the ANC regime. Scandals surrounding the ANC government have included bribery in arms deals, the abolition of a task force dedicated to organized crime and corruption, sexual misconduct including criminal charges, and using government and civil organizations to fight its political opponents, particularly those in the Democratic Alliance.

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21 March is human rights day in South Africa. It is based on the "Sharpeville Massacre" event on 21 March 1960. In the week I will post an article "The Alternative Truth of Sharpeville" which will detail the actual full events that it was not some trigger-happy cops that mowed down "peaceful, unarmed protesters" but actually 20 very scared men (black and white) fighting for their lives against a horde of over 20 000 armed and dangerous blacks. This day should be about those policemen and not the blacks that came looking for shit and got it.

On a side-note, for the South Africans, Maricana Mine killings was the same scenario. Police will never fire unless attacked or under mortal threat first. It doesn't happen and that applies anywhere in the world. Just look at any mass protest that gets violent and see where the real agitators are. Not among the cops.


Moving along. Today I'd like to focus a bit more on arguably one of the most famous "peacemakers" of the last century, Saint Nelson Mandela. This man was a hardcore communist to his dying day.


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What a Lost Prison Manuscript Reveals about the Real Nelson Mandela
By Rian Malan
Dec 28, 2019 - 3:45:40 AM

The Spectator Australia Jan 18, 2014

An image.
Mandela with ‘Peace prize'. (For many years "Best Terrorist Prize", unless you just happen to be on the 'wrong' side, then, sorry, not eligible.)

This is a story about Nelson Mandela, and it begins on Robben Island in 1974. Prisoner number 466/64 is writing up his life story, working all night and sleeping all day. Finished pages go to trusted comrades who write comments and queries in the margins. The text is then passed to one Laloo Chiba, who transcribes it in ‘microscopic' letters on to sheets of paper which are later inserted into the binding of notebooks and carried off the island by Mac Maharaj when he is released in 1976.

Outside, the intrepid Mac turns the microscopic text into a typescript and sends it to London, where it becomes the Higgs boson of literary properties, known to exist but not seen since it passed into the hands of the South African Communist Party, or SACP, in 1977. Years pass; the mystery deepens. Mandela goes from being an obscure South African prisoner to possibly the most famous living human, subject of global adulation and a ghostwritten autobiography that sells 15 million. His cult is such that prints of his hands are sold for thousands, and yet the prison manuscript stays missing. Until last week, when Professor Stephen Ellis of the University of Leiden sent out an email saying: ‘You'll never guess what I've just found in the online archive of the Nelson Mandela Centre of Memory.'

So yes, the lost manuscript has come back to us and, with it, a range of fascinating questions. Why was it not published earlier? Why did it surface now? And above all, what light does it shed on Mandela's Awkward Secret, first reported by Professor Ellis in 2011?

Everyone thought Mandela was a known entity, but he turns out to have led a double life, at least for a time. By day, he was or pretended to be a moderate democrat, fighting to free his people in the name of values all humans held sacred. But by night he donned the cloak and dagger and became a leader of a fanatical sect known for its attachment to the totalitarian Soviet ideal.
When Ellis first aired this theory, it read like a Cold War thriller, but when Mandela died last month, the African National Congress and the SACP both issued statements confirming that it was true: at the time of his arrest in 1962, Nelson Mandela was a member of the SACP's innermost central committee.

This, then, is why Ellis and I were dizzy with excitement when the prison manuscript turned up last week: here was a rich new source of virgin material to be scanned for the smoking gun, the inside and untold story of Mandela's secret life as a communist plotter. Alas, the smoking gun was not there. But the prison manuscript does offer insights into the manner in which Mandela's image has been manipulated over the decades.

It is common cause that the ANC decided in the 1960s to use Mandela as the anti-apartheid movement's official poster boy. He was the obvious choice, a tall, clean-limbed tribal prince, luminously charismatic, married to the telegenic Winnie, and reduced by cruel circumstance to living martyrdom on a prison island. All you had to do was cleanse him of the communist taint and Bob's your uncle: four decades down the road, you have the president of the USA getting weepy as he describes Mandela's lifelong struggle for ‘your freedom, your democracy'. There's no accounting for taste, but one wonders if Barack Obama would have said that if he'd known his hero batted for the opposition during the Cold War.
‘I hate all forms of imperialism, and I consider the US brand to be the most loathsome and contemptible.'
‘To a nationalist fighting oppression, dialectical materialism is like a rifle, bomb or missile. Once I understood the principle of dialectical materialism, I embraced it without hesitation.'

‘Unquestionably, my sympathies lay with Cuba [during the 1962 missile crisis]. The ability of a small state to defend its independence demonstrates in no uncertain terms the superiority of socialism over capitalism'.
Whoa! That's not Mandela, is it? Well, yes. These quotes come from the prison manuscript, which turns out to be the first draft of Long Walk to Freedom, Mandela's famous 1994 autobiography. Much of the first draft is carried forth into the finished book, but these problematic quotes have vanished, along with several other outbreaks of what can only be described as pro-communist harangue. What happened?

Our search for an answer must begin with Rick Stengel, a New York journalist who is now President Obama's undersecretary for public diplomacy. In the 1980s, Stengel did a tour of duty in South Africa, where he exhibited sensitivity to the hardships of black people and enthusiasm for their ANC liberators, surely one of the factors that led to his eventual appointment as Mandela's ghostwriter.

Among the raw materials he was given to work with was the prison manuscript, a sprawling 637-page affair with many uneven passages and no clear ending. Stengel proceeded to turn this sow's ear into Long Walk to Freedom, a blockbuster that considerably boosted the Mandela legend and formed the basis for a movie of the same title, now doing boffo box office around the planet.

In what follows, there is an element of conjecture. Since Mr Stengel is the ghostwriter of record, it seems logical to infer that he made the changes, even if we have no other basis for saying so. Pending clarification, let's note that Stengel was a New York liberal who would instantly have realised that stridency was undesirable, especially if it sounded a bit Russian. Clearly those lines about the Cuban missile crisis and the evils of Yankee imperialism had to go. Beyond that, the changes are usually quite subtle - a quote dropped here, a shift in emphasis there. Having read both manuscripts several times, I think it's fair to say that Stengel appears to have cleaned up Mandela's act in three critical areas.
The first was his premature conversion to violence. Officially, Mandela was a moderate black nationalist, clinging to hope of peaceful change until it was extinguished by the Sharpeville massacre of 1960. But in the prison memoir we find him plotting war as early as 1953, when he sent a comrade on a secret mission to beg guns and money from Red China, in flagrant violation of the ANC's non-aligned and non-violent stance.

‘I was bitter and felt ever more strongly that SA whites need another Isandlwana,' he explains. Driving around the country, Mandela constantly imagines rural landscapes as battlefields and cities as places where one day soon ‘the sweet air will smell of gunfire, elegant buildings will crash down and streets will be splashed with blood'. These vivid quotes did not make it into the bestseller.
The second area is his endorsement of force against opponents. In April 1958, the ANC called a three-day national strike which drew little or no support and had to be called off in humiliating circumstances. In Long Walk, Mandela notes that the strike was completely effective in towns where it was enforced by violence or pickets. ‘I have always resisted such methods,' he says, but goes on to reason that coercion is acceptable in cases where a dissident minority is blocking a majority. ‘A minority should not be able to frustrate the will of the majority,' he concludes.

But in the prison manuscript, he says the opposite. ‘This is not a question of principle or wishful thinking,' he says. ‘If force will advance [the struggle], then it must be used whether or not the majority agrees with us.' Pardon my italics, but it's important to understand what you're looking at here: the rewrite makes Mandela sound reasonable. The original is Stalinism. Who determines the course of struggle? It is the communist vanguard, imbued with higher wisdoms derived from the gospel of dialectical materialism. And if the majority talks back, they must be smashed. As they were in the final bloody phase of the struggle here. And everywhere else in Planet Soviet.

The third area of amendment involved errors of even-handedness. I thought I knew South African history, but one section of the prison manuscript surprised me. (The section beginning on page 304, if you must know. The entire book is available at [link to specc.ie] I'd heard of the Alexandra bus boycott of 1957, in which a determined display of people power forced capitalists to withdraw a fare increase. But I was totally ignorant of ANC-led boycotts against Langeberg, a giant food-canning operation, and United Tobacco; both corporations were forced to deal with African unions and grant wage increases.

Emboldened, the ANC tackled cruel potato farmers, and brought them down too. Soon it was organising consumer boycotts all over the country, and often winning. At the same time, it was behind the ceaseless protests against the pass laws for women while winning stunning victories in the Treason Trial and elsewhere. The cost in ANC lives: zero. ‘To the best of my knowledge,' writes Mandela, ‘no individuals [meaning political detainees] were isolated, forced to give information, beaten up, tortured, crippled or killed' prior to December 1961, when the communists started their bombing campaign (see page 302).

Clearly, this could not be allowed to stand. It spoils the plot completely! So Stengel cut it, allowing Long Walk to soar towards to its moral epiphany. Provoked beyond endurance by oppression, Mandela convinces the ANC's timid old guard that it is time to fight back. With their blessing, he goes on to form MK, ‘military wing of the ANC', which launches a bombing campaign against non-human targets.

If we are to believe Stephen Ellis and Irina Filatova, a Russian historian who has also published on the subject, all of this is doubtful or fabricated. The decision to go to war was actually taken by the Communist party, meeting in a prosperous white suburb, in a marquee where black Africans were outnumbered around two to one by white and Indian intellectuals. ANC president Albert Luthuli did not endorse the move to violence and MK was not the military wing of the ANC at all - it was the sole creation of the Communist party, and everyone involved in its high command was openly or secretly a communist. You will find nothing of this in Long Walk, of course. Is that Stengel's fault? I think not. Mandela's secret was still a secret in the early 1990s, and Stengel was a hired hand, taking instructions from God knows who. I attempted to elicit a comment, but Mr Stengel failed to get back to me. Another man who might be able to shed light on the mystery is Mac Maharaj, the man who smuggled the original out of prison, now a spokesman and adviser in the office of President Zuma. But he didn't return my calls either.

It also speaks volumes that Nelson Mandela was married to Winnie from 1958 to 1996. Winnie, who was also an ANC activist, advocated executing opponents and informers by "necklacing" them. This involved tying their hands together before placing a tire filled with petrol around their necks and setting fire to it, thus ensuring a slow and painful death.

We will therefore have to turn to Hollywood to complete this story. I went to see the movie version of Long Walk to Freedom armed with a pen and ready to fight yet another rearguard action for Afrikaner honour, only to find myself disarmed by the director Justin Chadwick's take on the Mandela story. No one really expects movies to be true, and this one certainly isn't. It's a fable about a brave man who sticks up for what he believes in and, against all odds, wins in the end. Music swells, titles roll and I must hide the fact that I am moved. (Yes, I am a sucker.)

Then I borrow an electronic copy of the script and run a search for the word ‘communist'. Two scenes come up. In one, a white policeman jostles Mandela while saying, ‘Ag, everyone knows you're a bloody communist!' In another, a white police general appears at the scene of a bombing and says, ‘This is the work of communist terrorists....' Both cops are clearly intended to be taken as racist buffoons. This is a perfect distillation of the traditional left-liberal position on Mandela. For decades it was gospel. Now, it's inadvertently funny.

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OP's ignorance was revealed in the title of this topic

Africa is a CONTINENT ... S.Africa is a small nation at the southern end of that continent ...and it's history is not the history of Africa ... and the history of S Africa goes back well beyond the arrival of the white man - who like to believe that it has no history before they arrived and claimed it as their own
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"OP's ignorance"

Perhaps consider that OP lives in South Africa and so the focus is at home first. This thread has only just started. You'll be seeing a lot more "ignorance" before I'm done.

How about starting a similar thread on your country instead of displaying your ignorance about one story being unfolded, and finished, before a next one starts?
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This thread is for the true history of Africa and South Africa as not told in official history books. It is not for race bashing or denigration, I will not tolerate that, but an attempt at a balanced current and historical view of Africa and South Africa's development since the arrival of the first white settlers and their interactions with the natives. This can include issues of slavery and exploitation but also the advancements Europeans brought to the primitive peoples of the continent.

Let's begin with an overview video of South African history

The History of South Africa


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To continue the line on Sharpeville, which was the singular event that gave much impetus to the Communist war against the only White Christian Government in Africa. After this came the other event, the 1976 Soweto uprising, which will also be covered. Both instrumental in their propaganda power to eventually bring down White rule.

And this site has a few other nice articles I'll be using too. Go there to see the photos and all the extra links and keep in mind that these crowds, as today still, were armed with every deadly homemade weapon imaginable. They were far from defenceless and extremely dangerous.

[link to www.unbannedbiblepublications.com (secure)]

WHAT REALLY HAPPENED AT SHARPEVILLE?

Many different and extremely impartial accounts of this tragedy surfaced everywhere, but only real contextual facts count. Politics Web explained, “The first factor [in this shooting] was the killing of nine policemen in Cata Manor, near Durban.. a few weeks before… [Sharpeville.] In his analytical chronicle of the Sharpeville shooting, An Ordinary Atrocity, Philip Frankel writes: "... The much vaunted marshals, whose primary task was to steer up the mob ... were unable or unwilling to steer the crowd away from what was clearly becoming a cataclysmic situation."

In 1960, the day before the actual shooting, an initial crowd of 7,000 - 10,000 hostile protesters began to advance on the Sharpeville police station protesting the carrying of ‘pass books,’ [I.D. documents,] which non-white people had to produce on request - just as everyone is now compelled to do in the new South Africa. The huge crowd very aggressively, in “loaded language,” threatened the lives of the twenty police officers who were on duty at the time. Outnumbered officers who, from behind the police station’s wire fence, tried to restrain the big crowd from entering and demolishing the station, murdering them in the process.

The attacks carried on throughout the night. “By 10 o’clock the next morning, the crowd had grown to about twenty thousand rioters. Only 130 police reinforcements, (some say 200,) and four armored cars, [Casspirs carried no more than two crew and 12 men; which makes for 48 policemen altogether,] were then hastily brought in to assist the twenty policemen on duty…”
Emeritus professor David Welsh, wrote in his book The Rise and Fall of Apartheid, “The immediate cause of the tragedy was two simultaneous events: firstly, a scuffle at the fence gate when police officer Att Spengler opened it to let a member of the crowd in and [one can assume a lot of aggressive] people at the gate entered with him… And, secondly, the arrival of Geelbooi, a common law criminal who was drunk and armed with a handgun, and who, thinking he had spotted a policeman who had maltreated him, fired two shots in the air. The reaction of a more nervous and younger policemen inside the perimeter of the fence was to open fire without being ordered to do so.

[Allegedly,] the firing continued even as the attackers… still fled for their lives…”
I could not find any real evidence of this allegation that the police pursued the rioters with sharp point ammunition. The photo below on right tells another story. The latest accounts of assaults with machine guns from armored cars and helicopters can also not be verified. If this were the case, hundreds or even thousands of rioters could have died that day. One must be wary of ‘evidence,’ which is clearly fabricated because it does not fit the context of the scene.

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[Acknowledgement to those who published these photos]
A few selected photos of this tragedy are available, but these two photos tell the story.
Left: Huge, menacing crowds converging on the original number of 20 police men at the small police station.
Right: Police dispersing the crowd from the police station with batons, after some officers began to fire in self defence and the crowd began to flee. The alleged “machine guns” and other “deadly assault weapons” are clearly absent in this scene.

So, what really happened in the old South Africa at the small police office in Sharpeville?

Wikipedia tells another story, “The [Sharpeville] mob became increasingly daring and threatening, using the common attitude which later was described as ‘insulting, menacing, and provocative.’ Teargas proved ineffectual, and [the 130-200] police officers were forced to repel these advances with their batons. At about 1:00 pm the police tried to arrest an alleged ringleader. There was a scuffle, and the throng surged forward. The shooting began shortly afterwards…”

The vastly outnumbered police officers shot and killed 68 rioters, wounding 180. As always, the ANC, Pan African Congress, and other Communist Parties resorted to their old tactic in driving women and children to the fore of the attack, shielding the men behind them. As a result, 8 women and 10 children were among [the 68] killed in this mass attack on police.”

The vastly outnumbered police, who resorted to violence in pure self defense, restrained themselves to the extent where they should all have been decorated for bravery in their attempt to uphold the peace. However, the media puffed and distorted this “massacre of innocent and peaceful women and children” to such an extent that the instigating ANC, PAC and other collaborating parties got exactly what they were looking for: a motive to maim and murder thousands of civilians in ghastly terrorist attacks over the next twenty nine years, (1960-1989.) In addition, by provoking or actually forcing the ‘Sharpeville massacre,’ the PAC and other communist parties in South Africa received global media attention and worldwide support.

In 1998, the Truth and Reconciliation Commission found that “the police actions constituted gross human rights violations in that excessive force was unnecessarily used to stop a gathering of unarmed people.” “Unarmed people” and “unnecessary force” - some 20,000 violent people, armed with stones, pagans, knives and whatever else, against only the initial number of 20 police officers? What a laughing matter the ‘Truth and Reconciliation’ Commission’s twisting of historical fact turned out to be!

The well planned consequences of this shooting was instant! Wikipedia explains, “The following week saw demonstrations, protest marches, strikes and riots around the country.” This proves that the outcome of the ‘Sharpeville massacre’ was exactly what the ANC/PAC was anticipating with that attack on greatly outnumbered police officers at that police station! Because fierce mass action threatened the safety of everyone in South Africa, “On 30 March 1960, the government declared a state of emergency, [not martial law as Jan Smuts did in 1914 and in 1922,] detaining more than 18,000 people, including prominent [communist] activists who were known members of the Congress Alliance.”

The full-blown, communist war against the South African government and its peoples began here, at Sharpeville.

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This constant struggle by a small minority to survive amongst some very hostile natives in a harsh environment, has made us Afrikaners quite a unique breed. Pity the new government are hellbent on fighting us, rather than working with us for the betterment of all South Africans...most of us have quite a lot to offer.
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South Africa is remarkable to have gone through all they have; 2 Boer wars - the 2nd being the 1st "World War" where Britain brought half a million soldiers from all over the colonies to subdue 50,000 Boers of the Free Republics. Both wars were fought over gold and diamonds found in the new Republics. Britain could have cared less before that point. Yet SA remained loyal to England during both World Wars. SA had the first open heart surgery and owned nuclear weapons in the 1980's. For 30 they fought a communist insurgency by proxies of Russia only eventually falling due to external pressure from the international community and their force of boycotts. SA was portrayed as some kind of White racist paradise back then and not "enlightened" like Western countries. The West wasn't trying to coexist with millions of Black tribesmen either.

It's been really sad to watch the plight of White Afrikaners since the 1970's. Less than 5 million people created a country and a legacy unsurpassed by anyone. I pray they may yet survive but between the ANC, EFF, BLF and China things are looking very grim indeed.
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This constant struggle by a small minority to survive amongst some very hostile natives in a harsh environment, has made us Afrikaners quite a unique breed. Pity the new government are hellbent on fighting us, rather than working with us for the betterment of all South Africans...most of us have quite a lot to offer.
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If I may add this to your thread the addendum:

Gen. John B Gordon and Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest were the finest citizen-soldiers birthed in America.
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This constant struggle by a small minority to survive amongst some very hostile natives in a harsh environment, has made us Afrikaners quite a unique breed. Pity the new government are hellbent on fighting us, rather than working with us for the betterment of all South Africans...most of us have quite a lot to offer.
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South Africa is remarkable to have gone through all they have; 2 Boer wars - the 2nd being the 1st "World War" where Britain brought half a million soldiers from all over the colonies to subdue 50,000 Boers of the Free Republics. Both wars were fought over gold and diamonds found in the new Republics. Britain could have cared less before that point. Yet SA remained loyal to England during both World Wars. SA had the first open heart surgery and owned nuclear weapons in the 1980's. For 30 they fought a communist insurgency by proxies of Russia only eventually falling due to external pressure from the international community and their force of boycotts. SA was portrayed as some kind of White racist paradise back then and not "enlightened" like Western countries. The West wasn't trying to coexist with millions of Black tribesmen either.

It's been really sad to watch the plight of White Afrikaners since the 1970's. Less than 5 million people created a country and a legacy unsurpassed by anyone. I pray they may yet survive but between the ANC, EFF, BLF and China things are looking very grim indeed.
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Things have been looking grim for almost 400 years...we are still here.
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This constant struggle by a small minority to survive amongst some very hostile natives in a harsh environment, has made us Afrikaners quite a unique breed. Pity the new government are hellbent on fighting us, rather than working with us for the betterment of all South Africans...most of us have quite a lot to offer.
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The only place real animosity towards whites exist is in politics. In the halls of government. Out among the general public you won't find it. Yes, there are black/white racial incidents from time to time, that's natural and unavoidable in an environment such as South Africa but we don't have the kind of tensions you'll now find in the US and Europe.

Over the centuries, despite everything, a mutual detente as developed. The greatest irony of SA is that it would be the most difficult place to start a race war. Radical elements try all the time, and fail all the time. Movements like BLM have no traction here. There's no appetite for it. The greatest majority of blacks are just not interested in a conflict with whites.

You've heard that funny expression "Can't we all just get along?". Well, outside politics we do. Just fine. The key is to have mutual respect and give each other space and, by and large, that's how it is. Whites are not excessively targeted, again, outside of politics. The fact is still ,as it's been for so many decades, that blacks suffer far more under their own than under whites. If there should be any uprisings it should be against their own kind, not whites.

The memory of Apartheid are fading as the new generations come in. In another 2 very few, if any, will still be alive to recall the truths. Then only the lies will remain. For South Africa to move on the past must be left but the past is still giving too much power to those who want to use it as a weapon but, like with all thing, that will fade with time. Unfortunately the country might just fade with it.

The past cannot be changed. History can be rewritten to twist it to the ruler of the day but the hard facts are still there and will always come back eventually. Today it's getting exceedingly more difficult to find the truth of SA's history. Much work has been done to distort and bury it but "Truth will OUT".

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Since land in South Africa came up again, let's take another look at the issue. Many extra links in the article. See [link to ammo.com (secure)] for it all.

Land Reform & Farm Murders In South Africa: The Untold Story Of The Boers And The ANC
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South African farm murders have long been a niche cause on the Internet, and the country has made headlines again due to a South African government plan to seize the land of white farmers under the guise of "South African land reform."

News of these farm murders and land seizures have gained steam with the release of Lauren Southern's documentary Farmlands - [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] And United States President Donald Trump has brought even more attention to the plight of Afrikaners with his tweet that he would be looking into the South African land and farm seizure.

Most people don't know much about the history of South Africa beyond the simplistic propaganda of the 1980s - white South Africans bad, ANC good. The history and current situation of South Africa, however, is much more complex.

Defining Terms: Who Are the Key Players?
Before going any further, terms should be defined and the key players identified:

ANC: The African National Congress, the leading party in South Africa since the end of apartheid.

Afrikaners: Dutch-, German- and French Huguenot-descended white South Africans who primarily speak a language called Afrikaans.

Bantu: A group of black South Africans including the Xhosa (of which Nelson Mandela was a member) who originally lived in the northeast of the country.

Boers: A subset of Afrikaners who still lead a rural and agricultural existence.

Democratic Alliance: Currently the second-largest party in the South African parliament, the Democratic Alliance is a broad-based centrist party that is comparatively economically liberal for South Africa. It enjoys broad, multiracial support, though it is most popular among all racial minorities - white, Coloured and Indian. Its black supporters are often derided as "clever blacks" by ANC supporters.

EFF: The Economic Freedom Fighters, a far-left political party in South Africa that has pushed the South African government to seize land from white farmers. Sometimes derisively called "Everything for Free," the EFF is the third-largest party in South Africa, but is poised to become the second.

Khoisan: A popular name for the original inhabitants of most of the territory now known as South Africa. This is not an ethnic designation, but a linguistic one. These are who the Dutch settlers first encountered.

A Brief History of South Africa: From Early Settlement to the Boer War
To understand the current situation in South Africa, it is important to first understand the country before, during and after apartheid.

South Africa's modern history begins with the Dutch East India Company, which established trading posts for sailors along the coast. Dutchmen soon started settling the area, with little, if any, conflict with the native Khoisan population. Dutch settlers, however, quickly came into conflict with the Dutch East India Company's authoritarian rule.

Freedom-seeking Dutch settlers moved north starting in the 17th Century. In 1852, Boers founded the South African Republic (known as the "Transvaal Republic") and then the Orange Free State in 1854. These are called "Boer Republics" and they, in turn, came into conflict with both southward-expanding Bantu tribes (most notably the Zulu, who were in the process of conquering other nearby Bantu tribes) and the British Empire.


"White South Africans" are typically treated as a monolith, but there are two main, distinct groups: The Afrikaans-speaking Afrikaners and the English-speaking British. Indeed, there were intense hostilities between these two groups, especially after the Second Boer War when the Boer Republics were reforged as British colonies.

Telling the Afrikaners to "go home" is a nonsensical statement. They are not Dutch. They do not hold Dutch passports, nor would they at any point have been welcomed back by the Kingdom of the Netherlands. In many regions of South Africa, the Afrikaners have been around longer than the Bantus and have a stronger claim on the land, having purchased it from Khoisans. On the other hand, traditionally Bantu land was conquered from other Bantu tribes or taken by the Bantus from the Khoisans.

A Brief History of South Africa: The Boer Wars
"The Boer Wars" refers to two wars between the Boer Republics and the British Empire, but mostly the second one. The first was a rout for the Boers and left the British Empire with egg on their face. They would not be embarrassed a second time.

The first concentration camps were built for Boers. Not just any Boers, but primarily the wives and children of Boer Commandos (irregular guerilla troops) fighting the British Empire. The strategy was simple: Lock up their women and children, and they will lose their will to fight.



It worked. Adding insult to injury, the most publicized photo of the concentration camps, a picture of seven-year-old Lizzie van Zyl nearly starved to death, was touted in the British press as evidence of parental neglect by the Boers. There was great international outcry against the British during the Boer War, but it never amounted to much.

Boer Republics were reconstituted as British colonies. In 1910, three British colonies were unified as the Union of South Africa. After World War I, South West Africa, today known as Namibia, was administered effectively as a fifth province of South Africa, but for obscure reasons never integrated. South Rhodesia voted on membership, nearly joining, but the argument that it would become "the Ulster of Africa" proved too powerful. The history of South Africa is largely that of a rebellious and unhappy British Dominion until 1948.

A Brief History of South Africa: Enter Apartheid
"Apartheid" is an Afrikaans word meaning "separateness." It was a series of laws drafted beginning in 1948, after the success of the Afrikaner-heavy National Party in the national elections. There was a split in the party between those who favored apartheid as it happened versus those who favored complete separation, including parallel governance. The former won out in no small part due to a thirst for cheap black labor.



Most people know the basics of apartheid, but they are worth going over briefly here: South Africans were classified into one of four racial categories: white, black, Coloured (a non-pejorative term in South Africa, meaning roughly "mixed race") and Asian or Indian. In 1949, mixed marriages were outlawed with cross-racial intercourse outlawed the following year. In 1953, amenities were segregated by law. Increasingly, the blacks of South Africa were segregated into townships and Bantustans, the latter being nominally independent "homelands" for Africans. This meant that as foreign nationals, in the eyes of the Union of South Africa, they were required to carry documentation to work in South Africa and needed to leave after they were done.

Coloureds, who had the vote, were slowly disenfranchised. Indians and other Asians were never allowed to vote.

Between the end of World War II and the declaration of a republic in 1961, internal politics were dominated by the division between conservative republican Afrikaners and liberal monarchist British whites. Apartheid enjoyed greater support among Afrikaners and less among British South Africans. British Prime Minister Harold Macmillan's "Wind of Change" speech increased support for apartheid among British South Africans because of a sense of abandonment by the homeland. Many were upset at being forced by the British government to choose between South African and British citizenship and passports.

Still, none of this amounted to what the National Party hoped to achieve - a cohesive and united white South African identity. Support for apartheid was always tepid among British South Africans.

It is certainly true that notions of racial superiority were a prime motivator for apartheid, but there was another factor in play: Communism. The Suppression of Communism Act was passed by the first apartheid government, banning any Communist organization. The Act took a broad view of what constituted "Communism." However, given the infiltration of mass movements, particularly in the developing world at the beginning of the Cold War, this is perhaps less cynical than it is commonly made out to be. The Act was used to suppress the African National Congress, something we will talk about in detail later.

Finally, it's worth mentioning that Afrikaner society is fundamentally and deeply conservative. Pornography and gambling were illegal in apartheid-era South Africa. Most businesses could not open on Sundays. Abortion, homosexuality and reproductive education were tightly regulated. There was no television until 1976, as this was believed to be immoral and a vehicle of Communism. English-language programming was seen as a threat to Afrikaans culture.

A Brief History of South Africa: The Rise of the ANC and Nelson Mandela
The Suppression of Communism Act was the instrument used to outlaw the African National Congress. While the ANC is typically thought of as a democratic-liberal organization, this is simply not true.

The ANC's closest ally was the South African Communist Party. Indeed, Nelson Mandela, the face of anti-apartheid resistance, was not only a member of the SACP, he served on its Central Committee, something he denied for decades. The SACP has never to this day contested its own candidates in South Africa, instead fielding their people on ANC slates.

What's more, the SACP partnered with the ANC in forming Umkhonto we Sizwe ("Spear of the Nation"), the paramilitary wing of the anti-apartheid movement.



The average person on the street likely thinks that Nelson Mandela was imprisoned simply for being black or opposing apartheid. In fact, he was imprisoned for a bombing campaign carried out by Umkhonto we Sizwe, of which he was the head. In fact, Nelson Mandela was convicted of 193 acts of terrorism. He was offered his freedom multiple times on the simple condition that he condemn terrorist attacks against the apartheid regime. He refused every time.

The ANC was not the only organization in South Africa opposed to apartheid. Many white South Africans saw the system as unsustainable. However, outside of South Africa, the situation was largely posed by the media as a question of "apartheid forever or the ANC."

The ANC and its allies in the Communist Party and the trade union congress COSATU (known as the tripartite alliance) were not the only alternative to the ruling National Party and thus apartheid. The Progressive Federal Party was the main parliamentary opposition to apartheid, which, as the name implies, was in favor of a federated South Africa. The New Republic Party was likewise in favor of power sharing and oriented toward reconciliation with the Commonwealth.

The New Republic Party and the Progressive Federal Party were also bitter enemies. The New Republic Party was a conservative party denounced as racists by the Progressive Federal Party. The Progressive Federal Party was a liberal party derided by the NRP with the nickname "Packing for Perth," due to the impression that their members were all emigrating to Australia. Two-thirds of South African whites supported some sort of federalism or power sharing, but moderate elements never received any international support.

Nor was the ANC the sole representative of South African blacks. Zulu nationalists, currently represented by the Inkatha Freedom Party, were often bitter enemies of the ANC by the 1980s. Many black South Africans served in the police force and other aspects of the government, leading to the rise of a barbaric form of retribution known as "necklacing." This is filling a tire with gasoline, hanging it around the neck of a suspected collaborator or political opponent, and lighting the tire on fire. Death can take several hours.

Winnie Mandela, then-wife of Nelson Mandela, declared that "With our boxes of matches, and our necklaces, we shall liberate this country." This caused the ANC to create some distance between itself and her, but ultimately she was given further positions in the movement and the ANC government.

A Brief History of South Africa: The ANC in the Saddle
In 1994, the African National Congress took power in South Africa. At this time, its paramilitary organization was integrated into the country's regular defense forces. Convicted bomber Robert McBride, praised by no less than IRA terrorist Martin McGuinness, is the Executive Director of the Independent Police Investigative Directorate. Touted as the "Rainbow Nation," the fall of apartheid in South Africa was part of an overall feeling of optimism throughout the world surrounding the Fall of Communism.



However, not everything was roses in the new Republic of South Africa. The Truth and Reconciliation Commission was an attempt to lay bare the crimes of the apartheid regime. The tribunal, which did not dispense with sentences, but merely sought to find the truth, has been criticized for not dispensing any justice. Neither former National Party government members nor ANC partisans were punished by the Commission.

The elephant in the room at all times was an overwhelming increase in the crime rate. The term "rape gate" entered popular parlance as South Africans installed panic room doors on their bedrooms. Crime is the main reason for emigration from South Africa. The 2013 murder rate was seven times that of the United States, the 11th highest in the world. Between 2005 and 2015, over 200,000 South Africans were murdered - this in a country of about 50 million. There were over 17,000 murders in 2013 alone. Compare this to just over 14,000 in the United States during the same year, despite the fact that South Africa's population is approximately equivalent to two states - California and Texas.

This is only the official murder rate. Many suspect that the rate is higher, due to a disengagement from formal policing and a reliance upon private security firms. Quality of public services has likewise deteriorated, with rolling blackouts being the norm in South Africa.

The ANC presides over what is potentially the largest welfare state in the world, according to economist Mike Schussler in 2010. Six percent (3.3 million South Africans) of the population pays 99 percent of the taxes, while 31 percent (16.4 million) receive social grants. This means there are five South Africans receiving welfare for every one paying taxes. 71 percent of South African children live in houses where no adult is employed.

South Africa has a sweeping affirmative action quota program. Employee demographics must, under the South African Employment Equity Act, represent the racial demographics of South Africa as a whole. This means that, for example, the national power company was pressured to fire a number of skilled white engineers, while the country was going through rolling blackouts. The country currently has a labor shortage of approximately 800,000 skilled workers.

The affirmative action program has not lead to a significant increase in the number of skilled black technical workers. In 1994, 15 percent of black South Africans held skilled technical positions. In 2014, this percentage had increased to 18. Meanwhile, between 1992 and 1997, the number of skilled technical degrees dropped by 13 percent while the number of degrees in public administration and social services skyrocketed by 199 percent.

Finally, the specter of corruption has hung over the ANC regime. Scandals surrounding the ANC government have included bribery in arms deals, the abolition of a task force dedicated to organized crime and corruption, sexual misconduct including criminal charges, and using government and civil organizations to fight its political opponents, particularly those in the Democratic Alliance.

What Are the South African Farm Murders?
It is currently twice as dangerous to be a South African farmer than a South African police officer. The murder rate among South African farmers is three times that of the standard murder rate in South Africa, which is already one of the highest in the world.



The government claims the motives for the farm attacks are robbery. However, this does not pass muster. Farm attacks frequently include raping the female members of the household - including young children - while forcing the male members of the household to watch. The victims are often then tortured to death in front of each other. Farmers claim police response to these attacks is sluggish at best and nonexistent at worse. The government stopped collecting statistics about farm murders in 2008.

What's more, the attacks on white farmers in South Africa tend to have pitched levels of brutality about them. Without getting too lost in the weeds of the grizzly details, it's worth mentioning some of the more grotesque attacks on farmers at least in passing:

In 2012, a 12-year-old boy was drowned in boiling water after watching both his parents murdered and his mother raped.

A 56-year-old grandmother was gang raped during a robbery netting approximately $2,000.

Five men sexually assaulted a woman in front of her 5-year-old son over the course of an hour and a half.

Over the course of six hours, a woman was tortured by having her skin cut off, raped and had her feet power drilled.

A 66-year-old man was beaten to death in front of his wife. She escaped being gang raped by saying that she had HIV.

Bedridden Alice Lotter, 76, and her daughter Helen, 57 were tortured to death over several hours, including by being stabbed in the genitals with a broken glass bottle. One had one of her breasts removed while still alive. "Kill the Boer" was painted on the wall in their blood.

Knowledge Mandlazi went on a killing spree in 2014, murdering five whites and stating that "My hate for white people made me rob and kill." He held up his middle finger to surviving victims in the courtroom.

Another common form of attack is the land invasion. In one example, 100 men began squatting land. The farmer did the sensible thing and left. Who could blame him in the kind of environment described above?

Far from being a "white nationalist conspiracy theory," farm attacks have been reported on and denounced by Human Rights Watch and former Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbot. Afriforum, a wing of Christian trade union Solidarity, likewise reports on farm attacks regularly.

What Is Behind the South African Farm Attacks?
Anti-white racism is a popular current in mainstream South African politics. The song "Kill the Farmer, Kill the Boer" is still publicly sung, despite this being declared a hate crime. The traditional means of protecting rural South Africans, the commando units, were disbanded in 2003, leaving many South African farmers with no protection.



Anti-white rhetoric in South Africa is very real and very mainstream. Here are a few examples:

Velaphi Khumalo, a government official, stated on Facebook in 2016: "White people in South Africa deserve to be hacked and killed like get lost."

Ekurhuleni EFF Leader Mampuru Mampuru posted on Facebook in 2018: "We need to unite as black People, there are less than 5 million whites in South Africa vs 45 million of us. We can kill all this white within two weeks."

Major M.V Mohlala, a senior official in the South African National Defense Forces, said of the murder of a 76-year-old white professor: "It is your turn now, white people... [he] should have had his eyes and tongue cut out so that the faces of his attackers would be the last thing he sees." He received a mere warning of future disciplinary action.

The EFF's national leader Julius Malema stated in 2018: "Go after a white Man... We are cutting the throat of whiteness."

Compare this with the woman sentenced to three years in prison for calling someone a "kaffir." It's not surprising that some South Africans have begun getting trained by Israeli commandos to protect themselves and their property.

What Are the Farm Seizures?

The South African Constitution has recently been amended to allow for Soviet-style expropriations of farms without compensation. Zulu lands are specifically exempted.

This is a bit nonsensical for two reasons. Many white South Africans have been in South Africa longer than most Americans have been in America. Second, the dominant black ethnic group, the Bantus, doesn't have a strong claim to most of the land in South Africa - the Khoisans would, but they sold it to the Boers or had it conquered by the British. This is as if the U.S. government started seizing land from white families in upstate New York traditionally belonging to the Iroquois and giving it out to the Cherokee.

Still, despite the fact that farm seizures are precisely the means by which Zimbabwe ended up in such a failed state, there seems to be no stopping farm seizures in South Africa. Perhaps worst of all, there are rumors that South Africa's banks intend to collect mortgage payments even after properties have been confiscated.

In the final analysis, the farm seizures in South Africa aren't just about dispossessing an unpopular, market dominant racial minority - though that would be disturbing enough. It's also a threat to South Africa's incredibly fragile democracy. The ANC is a dominant party with little chance of losing elections and thus, little reason to behave accountably. Add to this the lack of a broad-based middle class with a vested interest in strong property rights, and you have a recipe for kleptocracy and starvation.

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Bibliography
Farmlands: A South African Documentary - [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

"In South Africa, New Leadership Won't Fix Old Problems" - [link to us11.campaign-nopecom (secure)]

"South Africa: A State With Many Nations" - [link to geopoliticalfutures.com (secure)]

"The Truth About South Africa and Apartheid" - [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] (Video removed)

Interview with John McDermott, the Africa bureau chief for The Economist who lives in Johannesburg, South Africa - [link to open.spotify.com (secure)]

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Who ran the slave trade?

Well... The biggest slave port in Benin (i.e. on the Slave Coast) was called Judah and Ouidah.
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South Africa is a hub for human and drug trafficking today.


This video is about human trafficking in Europe. A must see. Warning - Very disturbing.

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The War on White Farmers in South Africa. RT documentary - 10'



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