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Universe 25

 
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Go to the PDF, there is only one page and the citations are off. Where is the article, I want to read the entire study. Where is it? It isn't out there at all.
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I tried to download the PDF cuz not enough space. It is suspicious that, if what you say is true, only the summary is available. I don't trust these fuckers and it would not surprise me to learn that they made the whole thing up. The behavior of the mice doesn't make any logical sense.
 Quoting: SallyValentine


You have to pay for things in life.

Even scientific studies.

The information is all out there.

It is up to you to dig deep.

But you might not want to....
 Quoting: superflyscot


No it isn’t. This isn’t about money, it DOES NOT EXIST! Yes, some phoney paper you wrote in 2013 or so may exist but it was never a real study and wasn’t published in 1962. This is a fraud. Do your own research. This is bullshit
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 Quoting: SallyValentine


Go to the PDF, there is only one page and the citations are off. Where is the article, I want to read the entire study. Where is it? It isn't out there at all.
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I tried to download the PDF cuz not enough space. It is suspicious that, if what you say is true, only the summary is available. I don't trust these fuckers and it would not surprise me to learn that they made the whole thing up. The behavior of the mice doesn't make any logical sense.
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Bingo! “Their symbolism will be their downfall”. The secret of “NIHM”. They can’t help themselves
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You better hide fuckers. We are coming for you
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Calhoun’s early experiment was published in “Scientific American” in Feb 1962.

The actual article can be purchased for $7.99:

[link to www.scientificamerican.com (secure)]

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It gives you the illusion of freedom,
makes you trust, love, and defend your oppressor,
while making an enemy of those
who are trying to free you or open your eyes.”
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“You have been programmed to resist the very person that is here to set you free, from the prison of your Mind... You are not free... everything you are has been manufactured by Minds that have not your best interest. You are imprisoned by beliefs and not reality. Religions are mental programs to imprison your Mind.”

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It's reassuring that its a symptom of the habitat and conditions, as apposed to the individual.

Ever seen a dry rat king before.

It's a cluster of dead rats tied together in a knot all from their own doing. Many found in wall cavities or behind fire places. Look it up.
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The Secrets of NIH-M....
“Man's status in the natural world is determined, therefore, by the quality of his thinking.” “To live in the world without becoming aware of the meaning of the world is like wandering around in a great library without touching the books.”
Manly P. Hall
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Re: Universe 25
The entire point of this fake science experiment is to make humans think that we will enevitably destroy ourselves. No we will destroy you. We are on to you and we are coming.

We are a good species and all your attempts to make us hate ourselves is about to end!
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it was a study on population density, as opposed to AC density. get educated prick.
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just so you fuck off.
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The mice utopia experiment presents us with a stark vision of our present and our future. As time progresses we will see more evidence that we are heading for a decline in population which is largely driven by social decay.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80043511


Send the article to gates of hell. He is another one that know the study is bul****t. So he is taking matters into his own hands. Maybe he is the reincarnation of one of the rats from utopia. he certainly looks like one.
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Calhoun’s early experiment was published in “Scientific American” in Feb 1962.

The actual article can be purchased for $7.99:

[link to www.scientificamerican.com (secure)]

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 Quoting: Zovalex


Great show it then hit shot. The actual article.
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Man is not a mouse lol wtf is this
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man is worse than the mouse... because he does things a mouse cannot do ON PURPOSE. Nature destroys that which is not successful and man like it or not or believe it or not.. is more destructive that mice can ever be... We are going down and the magnetic reversal is going to cure the problem as nature always does.
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I pinned this thread for the day.. most of the posts are about whether the experiments happen and little yet on looking a humans... who are still subject to nature.
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Now you know why they all hate Mickey Mouse.

He is Satan's arch enemy...

Michael the Archangel.

The real "powers that be"
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Now you know why they all hate Mickey Mouse.

He is Satan's arch enemy...

Michael the Archangel.

The real "powers that be"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76148031


The MIchael in your bible is not Archangel Michael.. it is Christ Jesus of Nebadon... I will not however repeat all of that here...

Now look at your world and what "thinking" humans have done to it.
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Now you know why they all hate Mickey Mouse.

He is Satan's arch enemy...

Michael the Archangel.

The real "powers that be"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76148031


They are trying to scare you away from the truth.

It was proven that the "lemming's running off a cliff into the sea" idea was proven to be a hoax and just tv trickery created by Disney. It's the same message being preached.

You can bet this study is flawed to support genocide too.
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This is a LARP. This study doesn't even exist. You fuckers are sick sick fucks. Took a lot of time to write this one up huh....
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How hard is it to do your own research?
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78989565


You dipshit find the actual article and not a damn citation. You guys blow. It doesn't exist. Find me the article.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70635305


If you can't even search on your own, what makes you think you can judge the science? What a blowhard.

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The "Universe 25" experiment it is one of the most terrifying experiments in the history of science, which, through the behavior of a colony of mice, is an attempt by scientists to explain human societies.

The idea of "Universe 25" came from the American scientist John Calhoun, who created an "ideal world" in which hundreds of mice would live and reproduce.

More specifically, Calhoun built the so-called "Paradise of Mice", a specially designed space where rodents had Abundance of food and water, as well as a large living space. In the beginning, he placed four pairs of mice that in a short time began to reproduce, resulting in their population growing rapidly. However, after 315 days their reproduction began to decrease significantly. When the number of rodents reached 600, a hierarchy was formed between them and then the so-called "wretches" appeared.

The larger rodents began to attack the group, with the result that many males begin to "collapse" psychologically. As a result, the females did not protect themselves and in turn became aggressive towards their young.

As time went on, the females showed more and more aggressive behavior, isolation elements and lack of reproductive mood. There was a low birth rate and, at the same time, an increase in mortality in younger rodents. Then, a new class of male rodents appeared, the so-called "beautiful mice".

They refused to mate with the females or to "fight" for their space. All they cared about was food and sleep. At one point, "beautiful males" and "isolated females" made up the majority of the population. As time went on, juvenile mortality reached 100% and reproduction reached zero. Among the endangered mice, homosexuality was observed and, at the same time, cannibalism increased, despite the fact that there was plenty of food.

Two years after the start of the experiment, the last baby of the colony was born. By 1973, he had killed the last mouse in the Universe 25. John Calhoun repeated the same experiment 25 more times, and each time the result was the same.

Calhoun's scientific work has been used as a model for interpreting social collapse, and his research serves as a focal point for the study of urban sociology.
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You are a cabal shill. ALL IS ONE IS ALL is also a cabal shill.
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Look at this so called article. Just read the adds for Christs sake. You're fired fuckers.
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where's your apology, loudmouth?
 Quoting: millrat


You idiot. READ THE ADS! They are fucking with you.

The Scientific American magazine huh? Where is the citation? There is none
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5alalapennywise

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We aren't rats.
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The study does exist, and it is quite famous.
 Quoting: egads!


Post it. The actual article.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70635305


Is this it?

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]
 Quoting: SallyValentine


Go to the PDF, there is only one page and the citations are off. Where is the article, I want to read the entire study. Where is it? It isn't out there at all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70635305


You whiny cunt. Go spend $8 and read it.

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Re: Universe 25
the country life never did me no harm
raisin up a family and workin on the farm
the days are filled with an easy country charm
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wolf_monkeythumb

and pinned for discussion...
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Thanks Wolf, ma man!
Wolfman!
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:wolf_monkeythumb:

and pinned for discussion...
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Thanks Wolf, ma man!
Wolfman!
rockon
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I see wolf pinned it yesterday.. glad it was... I was surprised it went to 4 pages... I had requested a RED mod pin yesterday.
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We aren't rats.
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Rats are smarter.
There are no rats who vote for rat poisoners.
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Now you know why they all hate Mickey Mouse.

He is Satan's arch enemy...

Michael the Archangel.

The real "powers that be"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76148031


The MIchael in your bible is not Archangel Michael.. it is Christ Jesus of Nebadon... I will not however repeat all of that here...

Now look at your world and what "thinking" humans have done to it.
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Thanks crazy lady.
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Calhoun claimed that the final doubling of population will occur around 2045.

Glad I won't see it.

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I used to have mice as pets. Their social habits are indeed fascinating and startlingly human in many ways.
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I used to have mice as pets. Their social habits are indeed fascinating and startlingly human in many ways.
 Quoting: Farlander


we had mice and rats in high school biology... and college too plus I had rats at home in high school.. babies of one raised in class.

I let my kids raise mice and rats and gerbils while they were growing up.

did you know if in cages of 2 rats anyway .. male and female.. the female will attempt when in heat to prevent pregnancy .. but the male always wins anyway.. Female will roll up in a ball holding her tail ... and try to prevent him...
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Anybody want to take a trip to Bethesda?

The collection, "MS C 586," comprises 196 linear feet of materials, with records predominantly from 1954 to 1986. It was donated in 1997, as a gift from Edith Calhoun, his widow. In addition to laboratory notebooks and drafts of articles, the collection is particularly noteworthy for the films, videocassettes, and audio reels and cassettes that Dr. Calhoun used to document his experiments.

The Calhoun papers form one of the almost 600 described research collections of the Library's Modern Manuscripts program. They are one of an extensive number in human development and behavioral sciences; others include the papers of Bertram Brown, Wayne Dennis, Lawrence K. Frank, Paul MacLean, Lois Meek, Lois B. Murphy, and Herbert Rowell Stolz, as well as the records of the Society for Research in Child Development, and the American Child Guidance Clinic and Child Psychiatry Movement Interview Collection.

The Calhoun materials may be consulted in the History of Medicine Division Reading Room, National Library of Medicine, open Monday through Friday, from 8:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m., except federal holidays on the first floor of Building 38 on the NIH campus, Bethesda, Maryland. No appointment is necessary.
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Now you know why they all hate Mickey Mouse.

He is Satan's arch enemy...

Michael the Archangel.

The real "powers that be"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76148031


The MIchael in your bible is not Archangel Michael.. it is Christ Jesus of Nebadon... I will not however repeat all of that here...

Now look at your world and what "thinking" humans have done to it.
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bsflag

NOPE it absolutely is NOT. michael of nebadon is one of satan's many names along with legion, beezlebub, the devil, most unclean, etc... this false and deceptive garbage comes from urantia, which we know is channeld, new-age, horseshit.

The archangel Michael is the archangel michael. He isn't Jesus and he most certainly isn't Jesus of nebadon. that is all is one mocking the lord yet again. Jesus is the only begotten son of GOD. He has NOTHING to do with urantia, nebadon, or the pushers of that false shit.

This is Jesus:

John 3:16- For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life

John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
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Behavioral sink

"Behavioral sink" is a term invented by ethologist John B. Calhoun to describe a collapse in behavior which can result from overcrowding. The term and concept derive from a series of over-population experiments Calhoun conducted on Norway rats between 1958 and 1962.[1] In the experiments, Calhoun and his researchers created a series of "rat utopias" – enclosed spaces in which rats were given unlimited access to food and water, enabling unfettered population growth. Calhoun coined the term "behavioral sink" in his February 1, 1962 report in an article titled "Population Density and Social Pathology" in Scientific American[2] on the rat experiment.[3] He would later perform similar experiments on mice, from 1968 to 1972.

Calhoun's work became used as an animal model of societal collapse, and his study has become a touchstone of urban sociology and psychology in general.[4]

In the 1962 study, Calhoun described the behavior as follows:

Many [female rats] were unable to carry pregnancy to full term or to survive delivery of their litters if they did. An even greater number, after successfully giving birth, fell short in their maternal functions. Among the males the behavior disturbances ranged from sexual deviation to cannibalism and from frenetic overactivity to a pathological withdrawal from which individuals would emerge to eat, drink and move about only when other members of the community were asleep. The social organization of the animals showed equal disruption. ...

The common source of these disturbances became most dramatically apparent in the populations of our first series of three experiments, in which we observed the development of what we called a behavioral sink. The animals would crowd together in greatest number in one of the four interconnecting pens in which the colony was maintained. As many as 60 of the 80 rats in each experimental population would assemble in one pen during periods of feeding. Individual rats would rarely eat except in the company of other rats. As a result extreme population densities developed in the pen adopted for eating, leaving the others with sparse populations.

In the experiments in which the behavioral sink developed, infant mortality ran as high as 96 percent among the most disoriented groups in the population.[5]

Calhoun retired from NIMH (National Institute of Mental Health) in 1984, but continued to work on his research results until his death on September 7, 1995.[6]

The experiments

Calhoun's early experiments with rats were carried out on farmland at Rockville, Maryland, starting in 1947.[7]

While Calhoun was working at NIMH (National Institute of Mental Health) in 1954, he began numerous experiments with rats and mice. During his first tests, he placed around 32 to 56 rodents in a 10 x 14-foot case in a barn in Montgomery County. He separated the space into four rooms. Every room was specifically created to support a dozen matured brown Norwegian rats. Rats could maneuver between the rooms by using the ramps. Since Calhoun provided unlimited resources, such as water, food, and also protection from predators as well as from disease and weather, the rats were said to be in "rat utopia" or "mouse paradise", another psychologist explained.[8]

Following his earlier experiments with rats, Calhoun would later create his "Mortality-Inhibiting Environment for Mice" in 1972: a 101-inch square cage for mice with food and water replenished to support any increase in population,[9] which took his experimental approach to its limits. In his most famous experiment in the series, "Universe 25", population peaked at 2,200 mice and thereafter exhibited a variety of abnormal, often destructive behaviors. By the 600th day, the population was on its way to extinction.[7]

Applicability to humans

See also: Model organism

Controversy exists over the implications of the experiment. Psychologist Jonathan Freedman's experiment recruited high school and university students to carry out a series of experiments that measured the effects of density on behavior. He measured their stress, discomfort, aggression, competitiveness, and general unpleasantness. He declared to have found no appreciable negative effects in 1975. Researchers argued that "Calhoun's work was not simply about density in a physical sense, as number of individuals-per-square-unit-area, but was about degrees of social interaction."[13]

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 Quoting: TREKWEBMASTER


Sounds like we're currently like these rats in the maze / cage.

Hierarchy, wretches, attacking the group, male's psyches collapse, females refuse to protect themselves and aggression toward young leading to more aggressive behavior, low birth rate, increased mortality, beautiful rats, refuse to mate and / or protect their "space," juvenile mortality reaches 100%, reproduction reaches zero, homosexuality, cannibalism, and collapse of society.

Can you see the parallels???
 Quoting: TREKWEBMASTER


Nope, because it’s a fake study shit head
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Just like your fake-ass ego huh? Go fuck yourself idiot.
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Now you know why they all hate Mickey Mouse.

He is Satan's arch enemy...

Michael the Archangel.

The real "powers that be"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76148031


The MIchael in your bible is not Archangel Michael.. it is Christ Jesus of Nebadon... I will not however repeat all of that here...

Now look at your world and what "thinking" humans have done to it.
 Quoting: ALL IS ONE IS ALL


bsflag

NOPE it absolutely is NOT. michael of nebadon is one of satan's many names along with legion, beezlebub, the devil, most unclean, etc... this false and deceptive garbage comes from urantia, which we know is channeld, new-age, horseshit.

The archangel Michael is the archangel michael. He isn't Jesus and he most certainly isn't Jesus of nebadon. that is all is one mocking the lord yet again. Jesus is the only begotten son of GOD. He has NOTHING to do with urantia, nebadon, or the pushers of that false shit.

This is Jesus:

John 3:16- For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life

John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

 Quoting: Baloney


Most "prevalent" posters on GLP are Satanists. This includes ALL IS ONE IS ALL and the OP (the one with the homo avatar).

Urantia = Satanism in disguise

Too many 'tards get suckered by this demonic garbage...but there will come a time when they're all exposed and sent to Hell (they don't like admitting there is a Hell...it reminds them of their fate).





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