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Crypto currency is fiat currency... Prove me wrong

 
Looking Around  (OP)

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10 year's time quantum computing will break the sha256 encryption. Bitcoin dead
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Re: Crypto currency is fiat currency... Prove me wrong
You are correct, but even "gold backed" is ultimately Fiat, because the value of gold is also a perceived one, not a real one.

Money does not really exist, the only thing that exists is the collective willingness and belief of most participants in the game to be submitted to put an imaginary value on paper / metal / numbers on a database / absurd numbers created by solving complex maths (a.k.a. crypto currencies).

For anyone that has realized of this, the whole thing is laughable.
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe


false...gold has utility usage in the real world. that is why it is valuable
 Quoting: mr dull socks


Except its "utility usage" is jack shit compared to Silver and other metals.

Gold is literally the most overpriced "precious" metal in our world. Platinum/Silver have far more practical/varying usages than Gold.

Only reason Gold is worth anything is because of the image of "successful" materialism we see on the day to day for jewelry via celebrities. Same shit as diamonds. Most diamonds are worthless in usage yet sky rocket in price because of the perceived value via jewelry in our society.
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It makes no sense how bitcoin, which is really nothing, can be worth around $50,000 and now corporations are buying in.

What is the big plan? Who really knows.
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It makes no sense how bitcoin, which is really nothing, can be worth around $50,000 and now corporations are buying in.

What is the big plan? Who really knows.
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Some of us know.

XRP/XLM

Look into it.
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It makes no sense how bitcoin, which is really nothing, can be worth around $50,000 and now corporations are buying in.

What is the big plan? Who really knows.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78349802


Bitcoin is old technology, it's on it's way out.

XRP has the key partnerships.
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It makes no sense how bitcoin, which is really nothing, can be worth around $50,000 and now corporations are buying in.

What is the big plan? Who really knows.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78349802


Some of us know.

XRP/XLM

Look into it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79749926


Yes, but why is tesla, apple, etc pumping so much money into that dinosaur bitcoin?
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Lmao..do you not know cash is a fiat currency..Its not backed by gold.lmao u idiot..
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It's just easier to track!
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Fiat money is any money that is accepted by a government for paying taxes or debt, but is not pegged to or backed directly by gold and other valuables. Fiat money does not have significant intrinsic value or use value. Wikipedia
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you will learn that gold isn't really valuable as money.
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Lmao..do you not know cash is a fiat currency..Its not backed by gold.lmao u idiot..
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He didn't say it was. But the dollar still is linked to oil.
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Crypto "currency" isn't a currency, it's property.
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Fiat money is any money that is accepted by a government for paying taxes or debt, but is not pegged to or backed directly by gold and other valuables. Fiat money does not have significant intrinsic value or use value. Wikipedia
 Quoting: Looking Around


The fact that you can’t even spell currency proves you aren’t intelligent enough to have an opinion.
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no, it isn't a currency at all.

its a Ponzi scheme. it literally only had value because people keep winding other people up to buy it.
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Fiat money is any money that is accepted by a government for paying taxes or debt, but is not pegged to or backed directly by gold and other valuables. Fiat money does not have significant intrinsic value or use value. Wikipedia
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It is backed by a huge waste of electricity !!
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Fiat currency has negative polarity. It is monetised debt pretending to represent capital.

In order to maintain the flow of currency, from the public to the elite bankers, it is necessary to shrink the population field.
This is known by all people on a subconscious level, hence the universal fear of money, or lack thereof.

Your life in measured in $.

You’re just an atom within a scientific model.

When you see the magicians hand it’s easy to see why Bitcoin will have enduring success.
Think in terms of energy dominance.
Who has the biggest network?

Our planet isn’t overheating, it’s just we don’t yet know what to do with all that energy.
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Re: Crypto currency is fiat currency... Prove me wrong
What if the value is in the utility of the currency?

book


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 Quoting: BIG.BILL


Currency is work. Value is intrinsic to work. The utility of it doesn't change the fact it is created from nothing.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


utilize

VERB
make practical and effective use of.


Sounds like work to me. At least the sort of work you find in a universe created from nothing.

book


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 Quoting: BIG.BILL


But the problem of anything print from thin air is as always that someone will have to work to materialize that wealth.

It's debt...imposed on others

And if you think you won't pay the karma you are damned stupid

I guess who of you deviants speculators will ever welcome a currency based on work and real assets.

NONE!!
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What if the value is in the utility of the currency?

book


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 Quoting: BIG.BILL


Currency is work. Value is intrinsic to work. The utility of it doesn't change the fact it is created from nothing.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


utilize

VERB
make practical and effective use of.


Sounds like work to me. At least the sort of work you find in a universe created from nothing.

book


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 Quoting: BIG.BILL


But the problem of anything print from thin air is as always that someone will have to work to materialize that wealth.

It's debt...imposed on others

And if you think you won't pay the karma you are damned stupid

I guess who of you deviants speculators will ever welcome a currency based on work and real assets.

NONE!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79733263


I’m diversified as I’ve done plenty of manual work over nearly 30 years and have accumulated assets through that work, including investing into crypto.

You sound like you have fallen in love with an ideal, and it’s holding you back.

book


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Fiat money is any money that is accepted by a government for paying taxes or debt, but is not pegged to or backed directly by gold and other valuables. Fiat money does not have significant intrinsic value or use value. Wikipedia

Plus quantum computing will break the sha256 algorithm encryption soon enough.
 Quoting: Looking Around


Your wrong.
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Fiat money is any money that is accepted by a government for paying taxes or debt, but is not pegged to or backed directly by gold and other valuables. Fiat money does not have significant intrinsic value or use value. Wikipedia

Plus quantum computing will break the sha256 algorithm encryption soon enough.
 Quoting: Looking Around


Your wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69766872


False
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ur right u kno

but


money is what ever people agree upon

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Fiat money is any money that is accepted by a government for paying taxes or debt, but is not pegged to or backed directly by gold and other valuables. Fiat money does not have significant intrinsic value or use value. Wikipedia

Plus quantum computing will break the sha256 algorithm encryption soon enough.
 Quoting: Looking Around


"Fiat money is a government-issued currency that isn't backed by a commodity" <--- Aka the full faith and credit of a nation...

ergo ipso de facto Cryptocurrency is not fiat, but it is currency. One thing it is not in all places the world over is legal tender, another hallmark of a fiat currency.

Even stable coins that are on par and pegged 1:1 are not fiat.

Bit coins are not even coins, they are tokens, in fact hashes and block chain addresses.

Value is in the utility
Value is in the backing / security.

More and more Fiat will be coming into cryptocurrency literally making it "money "as that is where the "money" supply is.

Liquidity is a real game changer.

Is "Fiat money" at face value a Tesla Stock wrapped in blockchain token? No it is not, but Cryptocurrency is, and can act as on par or asset backed coins and trade in seconds...

Forget all about bitcoin or cryptocoins.

Position yourself in and out of gold and silver securities.
Buy and Hold, or look into some swing or trend trading.
If you need your "money" trade them for a USD / CAD coin and get in "money" @ full value down to the eighth decimal point and it cost $0.000000000001 in network fees to move your "money" - PS: You can use crypto to buy and receive physical precious metals deliveries.

I saw googles token go from $1670 - $1960 in three days in January 2021. Does that sound like Fiat money?
No it does not.

I think, ergo I am. "Ipso facto" means "in itself" or "by the act itself" and is used to talk about whether a thing is sufficient to reach a conclusion ...

Crypto can and does function as currencies but a crypto "coin" or crypto "note" is not fiat unless a gov's Central Bank issues / mints a Cryptocurrency on behalf of a nation, then that "coin" / "crypto note" may be both a Cryptocurrency and a fiat thus making it legal tender.

So the Act of a Central Bank issuing / minting a Cryptocurrency makes fiat, be it nickles and dimes, notes / bills, and now a digital dollar otherwise known as a cryptonote / coin / currency etc.

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Re: Crypto currency is fiat currency... Prove me wrong
You are correct, but even "gold backed" is ultimately Fiat, because the value of gold is also a perceived one, not a real one.

Money does not really exist, the only thing that exists is the collective willingness and belief of most participants in the game to be submitted to put an imaginary value on paper / metal / numbers on a database / absurd numbers created by solving complex maths (a.k.a. crypto currencies).

For anyone that has realized of this, the whole thing is laughable.
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe


exactly

like all the currencies, money, assets

everything is worth as much as people think it is, put trust in it and back it, it's all based on trust and nothing else
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79383457


false. read my post
 Quoting: mr dull socks


The price of gold is generally inversely related to the value of the United States dollar because the metal is dollar-denominated.4&#65279; All else being equal, a stronger U.S. dollar tends to keep the price of gold lower and more controlled, while a weaker U.S. dollar is likely to drive the price of gold higher through increasing demand (because more gold can be purchased when the dollar is weaker).

As a result, gold is often seen as a hedge against inflation. Inflation is when prices rise, and by the same token prices rise as the value of the dollar falls. As inflation ratchets up, so too does the price of gold.

the price of gold is still determined in dollars as it has to be valued with, in something, so like BITCOIN, is backed/traded in FIAT money, it's basically the same thing, leaving aside the PMs purposes that you can do with it
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79383457


false. in a total collapse scenario gold and silver would be valued in ounces, dollars mean nothing to something with intrinsic value, and both gold and silver have real world intrinsic value. bitcoin has none.
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Re: Crypto currency is fiat currency... Prove me wrong
You are correct, but even "gold backed" is ultimately Fiat, because the value of gold is also a perceived one, not a real one.

Money does not really exist, the only thing that exists is the collective willingness and belief of most participants in the game to be submitted to put an imaginary value on paper / metal / numbers on a database / absurd numbers created by solving complex maths (a.k.a. crypto currencies).

For anyone that has realized of this, the whole thing is laughable.
 Quoting: Red Hot Chilean Pepe


false...gold has utility usage in the real world. that is why it is valuable
 Quoting: mr dull socks


Except its "utility usage" is jack shit compared to Silver and other metals.

Gold is literally the most overpriced "precious" metal in our world. Platinum/Silver have far more practical/varying usages than Gold.

Only reason Gold is worth anything is because of the image of "successful" materialism we see on the day to day for jewelry via celebrities. Same shit as diamonds. Most diamonds are worthless in usage yet sky rocket in price because of the perceived value via jewelry in our society.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77201607


i dont disagree but right now gold is king
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Re: Crypto currency is fiat currency... Prove me wrong
Fiat money is any money that is accepted by a government for paying taxes or debt, but is not pegged to or backed directly by gold and other valuables. Fiat money does not have significant intrinsic value or use value. Wikipedia

Plus quantum computing will break the sha256 algorithm encryption soon enough.
 Quoting: Looking Around


Your wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69766872


False
 Quoting: Looking Around


Notice how you always get one line denials and/or name calling by these nitwits.

"You're wrong"

"no coiner"

"Stay poor"

"you don't know how it works"
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Re: Crypto currency is fiat currency... Prove me wrong
Crypto is less than thin air.

A fart in the wind has more substance than crypto.

hf
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Soon. Quantum computing. Boom. Sha256 gone...
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Bing quantum look it up.
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Re: Crypto currency is fiat currency... Prove me wrong
Crypto is a new asset class, unrelated to any other.

It is NOT fiat. Fiat is just money that the powers that be force you to use.

Crypto is not controlled by the government.

It's supply is fixed, so no inflation.
 Quoting: BLACK GHOST


It's still a fiat currency. A fiat currency is based only upon faith.





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