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Knowing Versus Believing

 
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truth is Gods word not the bible ! if u love jesus u will gaurd like a sentry his word & not commit prostitution by eating the things sacrificed to devils to decieve u! the bibles false words oposing the truth ! false translations written by the whore& copied by the oattaking not pro not for christs testimony lawless kings of the earth schars king james oath taking included
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I KNOW God exists.
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So does Satan.

So what?
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Knowing is something beyond a belief , knowing comes from direct personal experience. If someone tells you the stove is hot , don’t touch it , you can “believe” them , although unless you touch it yourself , you don’t “really ” know that it will burn you.

Knowing is the by product self discovery , believing is the by product of indoctrination. We are all born into this system of indoctrination , we call it our culture , however as Terence Mckenna once said “culture is not our friend”.

What Terence meat by that statement is that culture is a program , a program designed to dis empower the human spirit , designed to keep us at base level of consciousness , designed to keep infinite consciousness in a box.

This is why it is so important to utilize our discernment as we go through this process of waking up , we have been in a slumber , a waking dream and as we begin to open our eyes it is very challenging to “Know ” what is truth and what is manipulation.

Currently, a large percentage of the population , or the collective , understand , at least subconsciously, that knowledge carries with it a personal responsibility , which is why all of the belief systems ( religion, new age, politics, science, military,education … ) on the planet are so successful , no one wants to take responsibility for themselves , they want to remain spiritual infants , because believing what others tell us is a hell of a lot easier , it requires absolutely no self discovery .

As long as people are willing to trade freedom for security they will have neither , as long as they are willing to blindly believe what ever they are told , so they don’t have to think or go through the process of self discovery , then we will always have rulers and big daddy figures to fill the demand .

Knowing requires action , knowledge comes from doing ,by exploring, no matter where it takes you , good or bad, comfortable or uncomfortable , beliefs on the other hand are given to us by someone else , most of what people believe is simply what they have been told by others, by society, through indoctrination , so people choose or shop for beliefs that make them feel good or that fit their world view .

However there are universal laws , universal truths that do not require someones belief to exist, these universal laws are not belief systems , they are the way universe works , they do not require anyone’s belief to exist, they exists outside of belief constructs .

Take our world view for example , much of our world view comes from the propaganda being rammed down our throats on a daily basis , but how much of it is actually the truth , we don’t know, we can’t know , because for the most part we have no personal experience of it , so we either believe it because it’s easier to let someone else tell us what is real or we go through the process of self discovery and research and discernment … in other words “we” take the responsibility in determining what is real , what is truth for ourselves, we act as a sovereign, we are self ruled and we act in harmony with the universal laws.

So ask yourself each day , what do you really know , from personal experience , through inner self discovery and compare that to what your beliefs are , are they in alignment , probably not , so much of what we are told , so many of our beliefs are not in alignment with these natural or universal laws , which is why we have so much chaos in the world.

So the best way that we as individuals can have an impact on our collective reality is to become knowers , instead of believers ! Lets quit blindly following and believing in systems that do not serve us, that do not move us towards expansion , growth and unity.

Lets take responsibility and do the work ! Lets get off our individual and collective asses and take a hard look in the mirror , we are the ones creating this consensus reality , so are we going to simply follow the beliefs of those that seek to control and dis empower, or , are we going to educate ourselves ,do the inner or shadow work so that we can have direct knowing , which will allow us to take the “RIGHT ACTION ” in creating a more unified , balanced , holistic individual and collective experience.

Let us regain our sovereign nature and become the self leaders, the self rulers that we are and in doing so we will no longer need all of the beliefs that no longer serve us ,and we can consciously co create the world, that we say , we actually want, you know like … peace , prosperity…FREEDOM!
 Quoting: Bodisafa


This is why it is so important to utilize our discernment as we go through this process of waking up , we have been in a slumber , a waking dream and as we begin to open our eyes it is very challenging to “Know ” what is truth and what is manipulation.

WE ARE ALL BORN IMPERFECT

SO

OUR DISCERNMENT IS IMPERFECT SUBJECT TO ERROR

BECAUSE OF THIS IMPERFECTION

ONE WILL NEVER GET THE RIGHT ANSWER

ONLY CHASE ONE'S TAIL FOREVER

WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE SEEING RIGHT NOW

UNLESS YOU ACCEPT THE BASE LINE OF ABSOLUTE PERFECTION

WHICH IS JESUS CHRIST

YOU WILL NEVER GET THE RIGHT ANSWER TO ANYTHING
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73735860


Your post describes very close the ongoing test being conducted in this part of reality we call Earth in which we have equal access to equally powerful dual opposing energies:

The aware coming in to be in human form being temporary unaware on purpose, then through a long process of free will exploration and maturation will we be able to uncover and become our true divine nature which is unconditional love and joy.

Being in low consciousness on purpose, it is normal that we all would develop our own truths. And as we travel further along the long path to greater wisdom and maturity, we will uncover new information that will require updating our current personal truths.

We have been blessed with free will, dual energies, and unawareness to enable us to explore all and experience all as part of our growing up to higher spiritual maturity as part of the test. Hence making poor choices and lacking discernment are common, and despite seemingly bad they are in fact useful and needed. What is not needed is to continually under estimating our magnificence and discouraging ourselves to believe we are born imperfect or born sinners, needing some higher force to fix our wrongs because we are hopeless and unworthy. To grow up to higher wisdom and maturity means recognizing our wrongs, learning from them, and never repeating the same wrongs.

This part of reality is just the first step of the long path with many other higher learning centers after this one. Being nearly at the lowest consciousness, the ego survival mind has its place here with purpose and that is for us to survive to continue with the test. But a survival mind that embraces greed, selfishness, envy, judgement, and superiority, makes it much harder for us to advance spiritually. What a challenge we willingly and passionately signed up for.

The best we can do here is to reach a state of spirituality that could push the ego mind to the background and make the divine mind more prominent. We will have to advance to the higher learning centers to work away the ego. This is all to say that spiritual perfection can not be achieved here, but we should always strive to do our best to advance spiritually and become evolving humans.

We are all at different points along the path to higher wisdom and maturity, moving along at our own comfortable pace. Those further ahead will have compassion and understand of those behind them, because they too were once at that point making poor choices. Hence, no judgement.

All the best!
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I know! I know!


I don't think you know either!
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... direct personal experience.
 Quoting: Bodisafa

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However there are universal laws , universal truths that do not require someones belief to exist, these universal laws are not belief systems , they are the way universe works , they do not require anyone’s belief to exist, they exists outside of belief constructs .

The Universe does not have laws!
The Universe has habits,and habits can be broken!
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sorry TRUMP didn't win
but i was tired of winning
I NEED A BATTLE
to amuse me tounge
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you have a fine point here and born of your seeking. hf Always does the human on fire.. seek....
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I have to redo this post it got lost.
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I KNOW God exists.
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So does Satan.

So what?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79982597


dark shits exist but Satan is not on this planet.. .always does the lower levels of worlds like this have dark shits as prisoners on them... But Satan while he still exists is no longer on this world... He was removed hundreds of years ago.. and had a purpose different from Lucifer in the Lucifer rebellion. we still have prisoners on this world from that. and their human associates who choose on purpose to serve the dark side.
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How do we know that we know?
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Terence Mckenna was a cia plant btw...

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How do we know that we know?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79429632


The complications of human knowing. Any one of four may apply to any given question:

We know what we know.
We know what we don't know.
We don't know what we know.
We don't know what we don't know.
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Knowing is something you can demonstrate or prove. Believing is something you cannot.
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Nah, it's just another false dichotomy.

Linguistically we can make such a distinction, but it isn't
some kind of absolute.

There is a feeling of being 'right' which accompanies that
so called knowing. So, when I say that I 'know' that x is true,,, it may mean I have the feeling that x is absolutely true.

When paradigms shift, then what we once knew becomes that which we once felt to be true.
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Knowing is something beyond a belief...
 Quoting: Bodisafa


lovethispost


Has this "culture" been purposefully designed to prevent Sentient Beings from uniting and manifesting the world in which we want to live?
Keeping US all chasing our tails trying to make sense of it all awhile it crumbles around us, because our intent is focused on the wrong things??
WE are too divided and too busy just trying to survive this vile world we have been force-fed to focus all of that intent on an oasis...

would this explain the "distancing" and the forced closing of the places of collective "worship"? (churches, gyms, bars & restaurants)
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YOU ARE CORRECT

EXCEPT FOR ONE THING

THE WORLD AKA SATAN'S KINGDOM

IS THE REASON FOR DISTANCING, FORCED CLOSINGS

THE KEY WORD IS

FORCE

THAT IS VIOLENCE

THAT IS SATAN

ONCE YOU DEFINE THE TERMS CORRECTLY

THEN YOU CAN BE SET FREE

FREE INDEED
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I approve this message!! :)
Life is short
Death is sure
Sin the cause
Christ the cure!
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How do we know that we know?
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:Keep Calm.. Ask :
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How do we know that we know?
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The complications of human knowing. Any one of four may apply to any given question:

We know what we know.
We know what we don't know.
We don't know what we know.
We don't know what we don't know.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79429632


always a nice statement when I see it. hf
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I agree, that "knowing" comes from personal experience ... but your knowledge is not always limited to this lifetime, when you have established access with the Heart's Intelligence ... you are able to KNOW things, you have no way of knowing otherwise- because you have experienced them in a previous life-time.

The Individuated mind of the Soul, AKA "higher intelligence" is not limited by or to the Human Mind System but The Human mind was not designed store data for more than one life-time ...which is why your new bodies can't remember previous life's experiences (consciously) - unless they learn how to access the Universal/Higher mind of their Soul's individuated, all encompassing consciousness (Christ Consciousness) - which requires much practice and focus and often unbalances the Human mind (which explains why most "enlightened" individuals are considered crazy by their associates) ...until it is Mastered.

The Intuitive Intelligence that the Soul shares via the Heart, is your First Thought - it is not accompanied by "feelings or visuals" it is not transferred in Language it has no "voice" - it comes and goes in a spark ... it is always "the right thing to do" ... but the ego (primary program), tends to ignore any responses that haven't proven successful previously -"learned behavior"(to avoid potential ridicule) The ego has to be re(de)fined, and taught to TRUST it's Heart has its best interest in view ... But the Heart also needs to be cleared - all the emotionally charged memories it stores need to be neutralize, because they misdirect or distort the flow of intelligence from the Higher Mind into the Physical (Collective) reality ... and that takes decades of practice before it becomes one's normal state of being

nothing prevents anyone from seeking Christ Consciousness now ... it is not hidden/occult it is revealed in Nature - unconditionally

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One is fact, one is conjecture.......They both matter because you are human......hesright
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I KNOW God exists.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79980058


So does Satan.

So what?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79982597


dark shits exist but Satan is not on this planet.. .always does the lower levels of worlds like this have dark shits as prisoners on them... But Satan while he still exists is no longer on this world... He was removed hundreds of years ago.. and had a purpose different from Lucifer in the Lucifer rebellion. we still have prisoners on this world from that. and their human associates who choose on purpose to serve the dark side.
 Quoting: ALL IS ONE IS ALL


NOPE. satan was never removed. he changed his name to hatonn/aton...aka michael of nebadon.

this post ^^^^ is a good example of knowing that you are full o shit. vs just believing that you are full of shit.





GLP