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Knowing Versus Believing

 
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Wisdom is doing the right action, at the right time and the right place.
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No wisdom is knowing from experience what the right action is.. and when its the right time... and when its the right place.. you gained the wisdom first thru genuine experience.. and then used it at these times.
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You're like a retarded bad penny, always turning up and always wrong. You speak of wisdom like a virgin speaks of sex, no experience.
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God's grace allows you to fuck up a lot so you gain wisdom.
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Why do you CONSTANTLY curse when talking about God with people?
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using the word Fuck as I did is not cursing.. it is authentic communication... you are doing the mind control thing beloved...LOOK. You just fucked up in your statement to me... so you have some grace given to you.
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BALONEY!!! YES it is cursing and no its not authentic communication. Its gutter language used by people of low degree in your case. the only one mind controlled here is YOU.
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Gnosis vs Jesus
Satan vs Jesus.

Suprise! Another gnostic shill thread promoting Babylonian mystery religions.
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Using “know” phonetically comes out the same as “no”. Putting out a negative into the cosmos will never lead to pure unadulterated truth and facts.

Believing has the word “lie” at its heart because there are too many divergent beliefs to count and everyone thinks their’s is correct which is impossible! Have faith, seek truth, negate the no’s. Oh, and dion’t be lie (v) in (g).
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Belief is the expectation of that which isn't seen
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but its not knowing by experience. God is felt within the heart.MIND IS GOD in fact.. in origin. Mind has created the entire creation in fact... and there is nothing mot made from MIND.. creative mind will by experience come to know.
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You know

that no matter what you say

you will approve you.

So what?
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God's grace allows you to fuck up a lot so you gain wisdom.
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Why do you CONSTANTLY curse when talking about God with people?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79982597


using the word Fuck as I did is not cursing.. it is authentic communication... you are doing the mind control thing beloved...LOOK. You just fucked up in your statement to me... so you have some grace given to you.
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Did I say any one word

or did I say constantly?

Really nice old lady...
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Knowing is something beyond a belief , knowing comes from direct personal experience. If someone tells you the stove is hot , don’t touch it , you can “believe” them , although unless you touch it yourself , you don’t “really ” know that it will burn you.

Knowing is the by product self discovery , believing is the by product of indoctrination. We are all born into this system of indoctrination , we call it our culture , however as Terence Mckenna once said “culture is not our friend”.

What Terence meat by that statement is that culture is a program , a program designed to dis empower the human spirit , designed to keep us at base level of consciousness , designed to keep infinite consciousness in a box.

This is why it is so important to utilize our discernment as we go through this process of waking up , we have been in a slumber , a waking dream and as we begin to open our eyes it is very challenging to “Know ” what is truth and what is manipulation.

Currently, a large percentage of the population , or the collective , understand , at least subconsciously, that knowledge carries with it a personal responsibility , which is why all of the belief systems ( religion, new age, politics, science, military,education … ) on the planet are so successful , no one wants to take responsibility for themselves , they want to remain spiritual infants , because believing what others tell us is a hell of a lot easier , it requires absolutely no self discovery .

As long as people are willing to trade freedom for security they will have neither , as long as they are willing to blindly believe what ever they are told , so they don’t have to think or go through the process of self discovery , then we will always have rulers and big daddy figures to fill the demand .

Knowing requires action , knowledge comes from doing ,by exploring, no matter where it takes you , good or bad, comfortable or uncomfortable , beliefs on the other hand are given to us by someone else , most of what people believe is simply what they have been told by others, by society, through indoctrination , so people choose or shop for beliefs that make them feel good or that fit their world view .

However there are universal laws , universal truths that do not require someones belief to exist, these universal laws are not belief systems , they are the way universe works , they do not require anyone’s belief to exist, they exists outside of belief constructs .

Take our world view for example , much of our world view comes from the propaganda being rammed down our throats on a daily basis , but how much of it is actually the truth , we don’t know, we can’t know , because for the most part we have no personal experience of it , so we either believe it because it’s easier to let someone else tell us what is real or we go through the process of self discovery and research and discernment … in other words “we” take the responsibility in determining what is real , what is truth for ourselves, we act as a sovereign, we are self ruled and we act in harmony with the universal laws.

So ask yourself each day , what do you really know , from personal experience , through inner self discovery and compare that to what your beliefs are , are they in alignment , probably not , so much of what we are told , so many of our beliefs are not in alignment with these natural or universal laws , which is why we have so much chaos in the world.

So the best way that we as individuals can have an impact on our collective reality is to become knowers , instead of believers ! Lets quit blindly following and believing in systems that do not serve us, that do not move us towards expansion , growth and unity.

Lets take responsibility and do the work ! Lets get off our individual and collective asses and take a hard look in the mirror , we are the ones creating this consensus reality , so are we going to simply follow the beliefs of those that seek to control and dis empower, or , are we going to educate ourselves ,do the inner or shadow work so that we can have direct knowing , which will allow us to take the “RIGHT ACTION ” in creating a more unified , balanced , holistic individual and collective experience.

Let us regain our sovereign nature and become the self leaders, the self rulers that we are and in doing so we will no longer need all of the beliefs that no longer serve us ,and we can consciously co create the world, that we say , we actually want, you know like … peace , prosperity…FREEDOM!
 Quoting: Bodisafa


"Knowing requires action , knowledge comes from doing ,by exploring, no matter where it takes you , good or bad, comfortable or uncomfortable." Without God's grace you got nothing.

I did it not by my actions but by God's grace. Why me? God's grace does not judge it just happens even out of turn to the lowliest aka me.

I do very little but get much done. How? God's grace.
 Quoting: Victor Vectors


BINGO

NAILED IT

AND

GODS GRACE PROVIDES THAT MEASURE OF FAITH

THAT CAN BE USED TO ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST

FAILURE TO DO SO

ENDS IN DEATH

HOWEVER

BY ACCEPTING JESUS CHRIST

THAT IS

THE TRUTH

THAT IS

ABSOLUTE AND PERFECT

RENEWS THE MIND FROM WHAT WAS KNOWN IN IMPERFECTION

TO WHAT IS KNOWN IN PERFECTION
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The truth will always be the truth even if no one believes in it...and ultimately..the truth will set you free.but only if you KNOW it's the truth.
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AMEN BROTHER

THE TRUTH IS ABSOLUTE AND PERFECT

ALWAYS GIVES LIFE

A TRUTH IS IMPERFECT INACCURATE AND INCONSISTENT

ALWAYS GIVES DEATH

ONCE PEOPLE GET THIS

THINGS CHANGE

FOREVER

AMEN
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Knowing is something beyond a belief...
 Quoting: Bodisafa


lovethispost


Has this "culture" been purposefully designed to prevent Sentient Beings from uniting and manifesting the world in which we want to live?
Keeping US all chasing our tails trying to make sense of it all awhile it crumbles around us, because our intent is focused on the wrong things??
WE are too divided and too busy just trying to survive this vile world we have been force-fed to focus all of that intent on an oasis...

would this explain the "distancing" and the forced closing of the places of collective "worship"? (churches, gyms, bars & restaurants)
:peace:
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Knowing is something beyond a belief , knowing comes from direct personal experience. If someone tells you the stove is hot , don’t touch it , you can “believe” them , although unless you touch it yourself , you don’t “really ” know that it will burn you.

Knowing is the by product self discovery , believing is the by product of indoctrination. We are all born into this system of indoctrination , we call it our culture , however as Terence Mckenna once said “culture is not our friend”.

What Terence meat by that statement is that culture is a program , a program designed to dis empower the human spirit , designed to keep us at base level of consciousness , designed to keep infinite consciousness in a box.

This is why it is so important to utilize our discernment as we go through this process of waking up , we have been in a slumber , a waking dream and as we begin to open our eyes it is very challenging to “Know ” what is truth and what is manipulation.

Currently, a large percentage of the population , or the collective , understand , at least subconsciously, that knowledge carries with it a personal responsibility , which is why all of the belief systems ( religion, new age, politics, science, military,education … ) on the planet are so successful , no one wants to take responsibility for themselves , they want to remain spiritual infants , because believing what others tell us is a hell of a lot easier , it requires absolutely no self discovery .

As long as people are willing to trade freedom for security they will have neither , as long as they are willing to blindly believe what ever they are told , so they don’t have to think or go through the process of self discovery , then we will always have rulers and big daddy figures to fill the demand .

Knowing requires action , knowledge comes from doing ,by exploring, no matter where it takes you , good or bad, comfortable or uncomfortable , beliefs on the other hand are given to us by someone else , most of what people believe is simply what they have been told by others, by society, through indoctrination , so people choose or shop for beliefs that make them feel good or that fit their world view .

However there are universal laws , universal truths that do not require someones belief to exist, these universal laws are not belief systems , they are the way universe works , they do not require anyone’s belief to exist, they exists outside of belief constructs .

Take our world view for example , much of our world view comes from the propaganda being rammed down our throats on a daily basis , but how much of it is actually the truth , we don’t know, we can’t know , because for the most part we have no personal experience of it , so we either believe it because it’s easier to let someone else tell us what is real or we go through the process of self discovery and research and discernment … in other words “we” take the responsibility in determining what is real , what is truth for ourselves, we act as a sovereign, we are self ruled and we act in harmony with the universal laws.

So ask yourself each day , what do you really know , from personal experience , through inner self discovery and compare that to what your beliefs are , are they in alignment , probably not , so much of what we are told , so many of our beliefs are not in alignment with these natural or universal laws , which is why we have so much chaos in the world.

So the best way that we as individuals can have an impact on our collective reality is to become knowers , instead of believers ! Lets quit blindly following and believing in systems that do not serve us, that do not move us towards expansion , growth and unity.

Lets take responsibility and do the work ! Lets get off our individual and collective asses and take a hard look in the mirror , we are the ones creating this consensus reality , so are we going to simply follow the beliefs of those that seek to control and dis empower, or , are we going to educate ourselves ,do the inner or shadow work so that we can have direct knowing , which will allow us to take the “RIGHT ACTION ” in creating a more unified , balanced , holistic individual and collective experience.

Let us regain our sovereign nature and become the self leaders, the self rulers that we are and in doing so we will no longer need all of the beliefs that no longer serve us ,and we can consciously co create the world, that we say , we actually want, you know like … peace , prosperity…FREEDOM!
 Quoting: Bodisafa


This is why it is so important to utilize our discernment as we go through this process of waking up , we have been in a slumber , a waking dream and as we begin to open our eyes it is very challenging to “Know ” what is truth and what is manipulation.

WE ARE ALL BORN IMPERFECT

SO

OUR DISCERNMENT IS IMPERFECT SUBJECT TO ERROR

BECAUSE OF THIS IMPERFECTION

ONE WILL NEVER GET THE RIGHT ANSWER

ONLY CHASE ONE'S TAIL FOREVER

WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE SEEING RIGHT NOW

UNLESS YOU ACCEPT THE BASE LINE OF ABSOLUTE PERFECTION

WHICH IS JESUS CHRIST

YOU WILL NEVER GET THE RIGHT ANSWER TO ANYTHING
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The truth will always be the truth even if no one believes in it...and ultimately..the truth will set you free.but only if you KNOW it's the truth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79944739


AMEN BROTHER

THE TRUTH IS ABSOLUTE AND PERFECT

ALWAYS GIVES LIFE

A lie??? IS IMPERFECT INACCURATE AND INCONSISTENT

ALWAYS GIVES DEATH

ONCE PEOPLE GET THIS

THINGS CHANGE

FOREVER

AMEN
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 Quoting: huh 55910211


SO

YOU THINK A LIE IS NOT IMPERFECT INACCURATE OR INCONSISTENT

WHERE IS YOUR PROOF???
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YOU shall!! know the truth & the truth shall!! set you free!!!,,,the all truth promised via the spirit of truth sent later given oto st paul&the apostles,the revelation of the gospel of grace of christ dying for the sins of the whole world & so freeing them from sin by his death even atoning for the sin of unberlief & freeing them all from the command to do works of law & the condemnation of eternal death ofor not doing works of law ! all achieved by christs death buriel& ressurection from death
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Knowing is something beyond a belief...
 Quoting: Bodisafa


lovethispost


Has this "culture" been purposefully designed to prevent Sentient Beings from uniting and manifesting the world in which we want to live?
Keeping US all chasing our tails trying to make sense of it all awhile it crumbles around us, because our intent is focused on the wrong things??
WE are too divided and too busy just trying to survive this vile world we have been force-fed to focus all of that intent on an oasis...

would this explain the "distancing" and the forced closing of the places of collective "worship"? (churches, gyms, bars & restaurants)
 Quoting: trampled on


YOU ARE CORRECT

EXCEPT FOR ONE THING

THE WORLD AKA SATAN'S KINGDOM

IS THE REASON FOR DISTANCING, FORCED CLOSINGS

THE KEY WORD IS

FORCE

THAT IS VIOLENCE

THAT IS SATAN

ONCE YOU DEFINE THE TERMS CORRECTLY

THEN YOU CAN BE SET FREE

FREE INDEED
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Arguing about faith, while in a simulation most refuse to see.
How truly neat, and sad.

It’s all a show, the greatest ever known. Enjoy it =)
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YOU shall!! know the truth & the truth shall!! set you free!!!,,,the all truth promised via the spirit of truth sent later given oto st paul&the apostles,the revelation of the gospel of grace of christ dying for the sins of the whole world & so freeing them from sin by his death even atoning for the sin of unberlief & freeing them all from the command to do works of law & the condemnation of eternal death ofor not doing works of law ! all achieved by christs death buriel& ressurection from death
 Quoting: c major 78080775


WELL SAID

IF

ONLY PEOPLE COULD HEAR THESE WORDS
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Knowing is something beyond a belief , knowing comes from direct personal experience. If someone tells you the stove is hot , don’t touch it , you can “believe” them , although unless you touch it yourself , you don’t “really ” know that it will burn you.

Knowing is the by product self discovery , believing is the by product of indoctrination. We are all born into this system of indoctrination , we call it our culture , however as Terence Mckenna once said “culture is not our friend”.

What Terence meat by that statement is that culture is a program , a program designed to dis empower the human spirit , designed to keep us at base level of consciousness , designed to keep infinite consciousness in a box.

This is why it is so important to utilize our discernment as we go through this process of waking up , we have been in a slumber , a waking dream and as we begin to open our eyes it is very challenging to “Know ” what is truth and what is manipulation.

Currently, a large percentage of the population , or the collective , understand , at least subconsciously, that knowledge carries with it a personal responsibility , which is why all of the belief systems ( religion, new age, politics, science, military,education … ) on the planet are so successful , no one wants to take responsibility for themselves , they want to remain spiritual infants , because believing what others tell us is a hell of a lot easier , it requires absolutely no self discovery .

As long as people are willing to trade freedom for security they will have neither , as long as they are willing to blindly believe what ever they are told , so they don’t have to think or go through the process of self discovery , then we will always have rulers and big daddy figures to fill the demand .

Knowing requires action , knowledge comes from doing ,by exploring, no matter where it takes you , good or bad, comfortable or uncomfortable , beliefs on the other hand are given to us by someone else , most of what people believe is simply what they have been told by others, by society, through indoctrination , so people choose or shop for beliefs that make them feel good or that fit their world view .

However there are universal laws , universal truths that do not require someones belief to exist, these universal laws are not belief systems , they are the way universe works , they do not require anyone’s belief to exist, they exists outside of belief constructs .

Take our world view for example , much of our world view comes from the propaganda being rammed down our throats on a daily basis , but how much of it is actually the truth , we don’t know, we can’t know , because for the most part we have no personal experience of it , so we either believe it because it’s easier to let someone else tell us what is real or we go through the process of self discovery and research and discernment … in other words “we” take the responsibility in determining what is real , what is truth for ourselves, we act as a sovereign, we are self ruled and we act in harmony with the universal laws.

So ask yourself each day , what do you really know , from personal experience , through inner self discovery and compare that to what your beliefs are , are they in alignment , probably not , so much of what we are told , so many of our beliefs are not in alignment with these natural or universal laws , which is why we have so much chaos in the world.

So the best way that we as individuals can have an impact on our collective reality is to become knowers , instead of believers ! Lets quit blindly following and believing in systems that do not serve us, that do not move us towards expansion , growth and unity.

Lets take responsibility and do the work ! Lets get off our individual and collective asses and take a hard look in the mirror , we are the ones creating this consensus reality , so are we going to simply follow the beliefs of those that seek to control and dis empower, or , are we going to educate ourselves ,do the inner or shadow work so that we can have direct knowing , which will allow us to take the “RIGHT ACTION ” in creating a more unified , balanced , holistic individual and collective experience.

Let us regain our sovereign nature and become the self leaders, the self rulers that we are and in doing so we will no longer need all of the beliefs that no longer serve us ,and we can consciously co create the world, that we say , we actually want, you know like … peace , prosperity…FREEDOM!
 Quoting: Bodisafa


"Knowing requires action , knowledge comes from doing ,by exploring, no matter where it takes you , good or bad, comfortable or uncomfortable." Without God's grace you got nothing.

I did it not by my actions but by God's grace. Why me? God's grace does not judge it just happens even out of turn to the lowliest aka me.

I do very little but get much done. How? God's grace.
 Quoting: Victor Vectors

God's grace allows you to fuck up a lot so you gain wisdom.
 Quoting: ALL IS ONE IS ALL


Perhaps what the other poster meant was that God blessed him a stronger connection to Higher Self/Soul/Source, enabling him to have fast track access and remembrance of divine wisdom, bypassing the normal but very slow way we normally gain wisdom which is through many lifetimes of experiences.

We have free will within the bounds of God's will. Sometimes God will flash awaken some people to perform certain tasks that could only be carried out when they have higher wisdom and maturity.

This is not a case of some people being spiritually superior or chosen, which are low thinking human concepts. We are all equally important doing what each of us do to make this part of reality work.

All the best!
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Arguing about faith, while in a simulation most refuse to see.
How truly neat, and sad.

It’s all a show, the greatest ever known. Enjoy it =)
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THE PROCESS OF ARGUMENT

IS TO FIND

THE TRUTH

WHICH IS

ABSOLUTE AND PERFECT

BUT

THE ARGUMENT IS NOT DESIGNED TO FIND

THE TRUTH

BUT

TO LOOK FOR IT ENDLESSLY

FOREVER

FOR IF YOU FOUND IT

YOU WOULD BE SET FREE FROM

THE ARGUMENT

AND

ENTER INTO

THE TRUTH


THE ARGUMENT IS A TOOL OF THE WORLD AKA SATAN'S KINGDOM

DESIGNED TO KEEP YOU FROM JESUS CHRIST

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
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Find Jesus
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Find Jesus
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AMEN BROTHER

FIND JESUS CHRIST

ALL YOUR PROBLEMS GO AWAY
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How the words are used in hope to get understood.

You are standing before a task and have an idea how to resolve.

Do you think, know or believe the idea will work.

If it doesn't, in your excuse, you will correlate to what.

I have this, this or that that the idea works.

The meaning is always the same: summed up you are no god.

It's a matter of taste and the environment what gives the punch.

About matters of taste there is no end of debate.
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Knowing is something beyond a belief , knowing comes from direct personal experience. If someone tells you the stove is hot , don’t touch it , you can “believe” them , although unless you touch it yourself , you don’t “really ” know that it will burn you.

Knowing is the by product self discovery , believing is the by product of indoctrination. We are all born into this system of indoctrination , we call it our culture , however as Terence Mckenna once said “culture is not our friend”.

What Terence meat by that statement is that culture is a program , a program designed to dis empower the human spirit , designed to keep us at base level of consciousness , designed to keep infinite consciousness in a box.

This is why it is so important to utilize our discernment as we go through this process of waking up , we have been in a slumber , a waking dream and as we begin to open our eyes it is very challenging to “Know ” what is truth and what is manipulation.

Currently, a large percentage of the population , or the collective , understand , at least subconsciously, that knowledge carries with it a personal responsibility , which is why all of the belief systems ( religion, new age, politics, science, military,education … ) on the planet are so successful , no one wants to take responsibility for themselves , they want to remain spiritual infants , because believing what others tell us is a hell of a lot easier , it requires absolutely no self discovery .

As long as people are willing to trade freedom for security they will have neither , as long as they are willing to blindly believe what ever they are told , so they don’t have to think or go through the process of self discovery , then we will always have rulers and big daddy figures to fill the demand .

Knowing requires action , knowledge comes from doing ,by exploring, no matter where it takes you , good or bad, comfortable or uncomfortable , beliefs on the other hand are given to us by someone else , most of what people believe is simply what they have been told by others, by society, through indoctrination , so people choose or shop for beliefs that make them feel good or that fit their world view .

However there are universal laws , universal truths that do not require someones belief to exist, these universal laws are not belief systems , they are the way universe works , they do not require anyone’s belief to exist, they exists outside of belief constructs .

Take our world view for example , much of our world view comes from the propaganda being rammed down our throats on a daily basis , but how much of it is actually the truth , we don’t know, we can’t know , because for the most part we have no personal experience of it , so we either believe it because it’s easier to let someone else tell us what is real or we go through the process of self discovery and research and discernment … in other words “we” take the responsibility in determining what is real , what is truth for ourselves, we act as a sovereign, we are self ruled and we act in harmony with the universal laws.

So ask yourself each day , what do you really know , from personal experience , through inner self discovery and compare that to what your beliefs are , are they in alignment , probably not , so much of what we are told , so many of our beliefs are not in alignment with these natural or universal laws , which is why we have so much chaos in the world.

So the best way that we as individuals can have an impact on our collective reality is to become knowers , instead of believers ! Lets quit blindly following and believing in systems that do not serve us, that do not move us towards expansion , growth and unity.

Lets take responsibility and do the work ! Lets get off our individual and collective asses and take a hard look in the mirror , we are the ones creating this consensus reality , so are we going to simply follow the beliefs of those that seek to control and dis empower, or , are we going to educate ourselves ,do the inner or shadow work so that we can have direct knowing , which will allow us to take the “RIGHT ACTION ” in creating a more unified , balanced , holistic individual and collective experience.

Let us regain our sovereign nature and become the self leaders, the self rulers that we are and in doing so we will no longer need all of the beliefs that no longer serve us ,and we can consciously co create the world, that we say , we actually want, you know like … peace , prosperity…FREEDOM!
 Quoting: Bodisafa


In all my probably almost 20 years lurking here, I have to say... your post is the most INCREDIBLE I have EVER seen.... and that scares me.

Ive seen the most incredible things which could be said are beyond believing, but....are also beyond knowing.

Terence has been places we can not imagine....even though we frequently visit.

He had the amazing talent of words and descriptions of journeys into the human mind and realms beyond.... Oh and the realms beyond are there.

You are absolutely spot on, we do need to become knowers.
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Knowing is something beyond a belief , knowing comes from direct personal experience. If someone tells you the stove is hot , don’t touch it , you can “believe” them , although unless you touch it yourself , you don’t “really ” know that it will burn you.

Knowing is the by product self discovery , believing is the by product of indoctrination. We are all born into this system of indoctrination , we call it our culture , however as Terence Mckenna once said “culture is not our friend”.

What Terence meat by that statement is that culture is a program , a program designed to dis empower the human spirit , designed to keep us at base level of consciousness , designed to keep infinite consciousness in a box.

This is why it is so important to utilize our discernment as we go through this process of waking up , we have been in a slumber , a waking dream and as we begin to open our eyes it is very challenging to “Know ” what is truth and what is manipulation.

Currently, a large percentage of the population , or the collective , understand , at least subconsciously, that knowledge carries with it a personal responsibility , which is why all of the belief systems ( religion, new age, politics, science, military,education … ) on the planet are so successful , no one wants to take responsibility for themselves , they want to remain spiritual infants , because believing what others tell us is a hell of a lot easier , it requires absolutely no self discovery .

As long as people are willing to trade freedom for security they will have neither , as long as they are willing to blindly believe what ever they are told , so they don’t have to think or go through the process of self discovery , then we will always have rulers and big daddy figures to fill the demand .

Knowing requires action , knowledge comes from doing ,by exploring, no matter where it takes you , good or bad, comfortable or uncomfortable , beliefs on the other hand are given to us by someone else , most of what people believe is simply what they have been told by others, by society, through indoctrination , so people choose or shop for beliefs that make them feel good or that fit their world view .

However there are universal laws , universal truths that do not require someones belief to exist, these universal laws are not belief systems , they are the way universe works , they do not require anyone’s belief to exist, they exists outside of belief constructs .

Take our world view for example , much of our world view comes from the propaganda being rammed down our throats on a daily basis , but how much of it is actually the truth , we don’t know, we can’t know , because for the most part we have no personal experience of it , so we either believe it because it’s easier to let someone else tell us what is real or we go through the process of self discovery and research and discernment … in other words “we” take the responsibility in determining what is real , what is truth for ourselves, we act as a sovereign, we are self ruled and we act in harmony with the universal laws.

So ask yourself each day , what do you really know , from personal experience , through inner self discovery and compare that to what your beliefs are , are they in alignment , probably not , so much of what we are told , so many of our beliefs are not in alignment with these natural or universal laws , which is why we have so much chaos in the world.

So the best way that we as individuals can have an impact on our collective reality is to become knowers , instead of believers ! Lets quit blindly following and believing in systems that do not serve us, that do not move us towards expansion , growth and unity.

Lets take responsibility and do the work ! Lets get off our individual and collective asses and take a hard look in the mirror , we are the ones creating this consensus reality , so are we going to simply follow the beliefs of those that seek to control and dis empower, or , are we going to educate ourselves ,do the inner or shadow work so that we can have direct knowing , which will allow us to take the “RIGHT ACTION ” in creating a more unified , balanced , holistic individual and collective experience.

Let us regain our sovereign nature and become the self leaders, the self rulers that we are and in doing so we will no longer need all of the beliefs that no longer serve us ,and we can consciously co create the world, that we say , we actually want, you know like … peace , prosperity…FREEDOM!
 Quoting: Bodisafa


"Knowing requires action , knowledge comes from doing ,by exploring, no matter where it takes you , good or bad, comfortable or uncomfortable." Without God's grace you got nothing.

I did it not by my actions but by God's grace. Why me? God's grace does not judge it just happens even out of turn to the lowliest aka me.

I do very little but get much done. How? God's grace.
 Quoting: Victor Vectors

God's grace allows you to fuck up a lot so you gain wisdom.
 Quoting: ALL IS ONE IS ALL


Perhaps what the other poster meant was that God blessed him a stronger connection to Higher Self/Soul/Source, enabling him to have fast track access and remembrance of divine wisdom, bypassing the normal but very slow way we normally gain wisdom which is through many lifetimes of experiences.

We have free will within the bounds of God's will. Sometimes God will flash awaken some people to perform certain tasks that could only be carried out when they have higher wisdom and maturity.

This is not a case of some people being spiritually superior or chosen, which are low thinking human concepts. We are all equally important doing what each of us do to make this part of reality work.

All the best!
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I agree with much of your post.. but your inner Father can also do things to cause you to see your errors and that is grace in action... and it is the conscious HEARING of that FATHER and following the leading that can make something easier to get done.. or problems understood better. It doesn't always feel" like "grace" as you move thru that.

Grace is a forgiveness first always.. .There by the Grace of God go I...mucking up as I go until I grasp the truth... by experience ...

Humans arise from the animal seeding on a planet.. they are first products of the Mother of the planet.. GAIA in our case.. or the Mother Holy Spirit of a universe. when a planet is seeded with LIFE which is intended to produce eventually HUMAN MIND.

but Human Mind must grow by experience and muck ups and fuck ups and then the coming of wisdom obtained thru introspection of the muck up and fuck ups.

It can be no other way... You cannot grow your God MIND any other way in fact. and that is what the allowance of GRACE is about...and why the concept of Hell has to go too.. because it does not exist.. always there is by the GRACE OF GOD GO I....

all the way to Paradise and problem solving and experience does not expire there either.

ALWAYS BY THE GRACE OF GOD GO I.. moving always upward in your spirit.



And that is even the nature of the cosmos.. for it is by the GRACE all evolves and growth never stops.. including the angelic realms too. Of which Humans become part of in due time.

Christ Jesus is still Learning around this lucifer rebellion and his coming to serve the earth again in BODY... but not by birth with his angels.. Learning never ever stops..

There by the GRACE of the FATHEr also goes Christ Jesus..
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Wisdom is doing the right action, at the right time and the right place.
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No wisdom is knowing from experience what the right action is.. and when its the right time... and when its the right place.. you gained the wisdom first thru genuine experience.. and then used it at these times.
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Great insight, thank you for sharing :)
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Knowing is something beyond a belief , knowing comes from direct personal experience. If someone tells you the stove is hot , don’t touch it , you can “believe” them , although unless you touch it yourself , you don’t “really ” know that it will burn you.

Knowing is the by product self discovery , believing is the by product of indoctrination. We are all born into this system of indoctrination , we call it our culture , however as Terence Mckenna once said “culture is not our friend”.

What Terence meat by that statement is that culture is a program , a program designed to dis empower the human spirit , designed to keep us at base level of consciousness , designed to keep infinite consciousness in a box.

This is why it is so important to utilize our discernment as we go through this process of waking up , we have been in a slumber , a waking dream and as we begin to open our eyes it is very challenging to “Know ” what is truth and what is manipulation.

Currently, a large percentage of the population , or the collective , understand , at least subconsciously, that knowledge carries with it a personal responsibility , which is why all of the belief systems ( religion, new age, politics, science, military,education … ) on the planet are so successful , no one wants to take responsibility for themselves , they want to remain spiritual infants , because believing what others tell us is a hell of a lot easier , it requires absolutely no self discovery .

As long as people are willing to trade freedom for security they will have neither , as long as they are willing to blindly believe what ever they are told , so they don’t have to think or go through the process of self discovery , then we will always have rulers and big daddy figures to fill the demand .

Knowing requires action , knowledge comes from doing ,by exploring, no matter where it takes you , good or bad, comfortable or uncomfortable , beliefs on the other hand are given to us by someone else , most of what people believe is simply what they have been told by others, by society, through indoctrination , so people choose or shop for beliefs that make them feel good or that fit their world view .

However there are universal laws , universal truths that do not require someones belief to exist, these universal laws are not belief systems , they are the way universe works , they do not require anyone’s belief to exist, they exists outside of belief constructs .

Take our world view for example , much of our world view comes from the propaganda being rammed down our throats on a daily basis , but how much of it is actually the truth , we don’t know, we can’t know , because for the most part we have no personal experience of it , so we either believe it because it’s easier to let someone else tell us what is real or we go through the process of self discovery and research and discernment … in other words “we” take the responsibility in determining what is real , what is truth for ourselves, we act as a sovereign, we are self ruled and we act in harmony with the universal laws.

So ask yourself each day , what do you really know , from personal experience , through inner self discovery and compare that to what your beliefs are , are they in alignment , probably not , so much of what we are told , so many of our beliefs are not in alignment with these natural or universal laws , which is why we have so much chaos in the world.

So the best way that we as individuals can have an impact on our collective reality is to become knowers , instead of believers ! Lets quit blindly following and believing in systems that do not serve us, that do not move us towards expansion , growth and unity.

Lets take responsibility and do the work ! Lets get off our individual and collective asses and take a hard look in the mirror , we are the ones creating this consensus reality , so are we going to simply follow the beliefs of those that seek to control and dis empower, or , are we going to educate ourselves ,do the inner or shadow work so that we can have direct knowing , which will allow us to take the “RIGHT ACTION ” in creating a more unified , balanced , holistic individual and collective experience.

Let us regain our sovereign nature and become the self leaders, the self rulers that we are and in doing so we will no longer need all of the beliefs that no longer serve us ,and we can consciously co create the world, that we say , we actually want, you know like … peace , prosperity…FREEDOM!
 Quoting: Bodisafa


Best of luck.. the difference in believing and knowing for me myself was finding the initially impressive VaticanCatholic dotcom ''Sedevacantist'' site to losing complete interest half a year later with gardeners world which was a tv show with interviews on the Davinci code and how jesus married and authors going on about Freemasonry and Jesus's bloodlines.Since i have been to Fatima Portugal in 2005, i found the 3rd secret online which the Dimond Bros will block you for posting bc they're all masonic. Try the conditional Baptism rite and quickly have proof of the existence of God Jesum Christum

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Knowing is something you can demonstrate or prove. Believing is something you cannot.
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Who Knows !!!

Knowing is something beyond a belief , knowing comes from direct personal experience. If someone tells you the stove is hot , don’t touch it , you can “believe” them , although unless you touch it yourself , you don’t “really ” know that it will burn you.

Knowing is the by product self discovery , believing is the by product of indoctrination. We are all born into this system of indoctrination , we call it our culture , however as Terence Mckenna once said “culture is not our friend”.

What Terence meat by that statement is that culture is a program , a program designed to dis empower the human spirit , designed to keep us at base level of consciousness , designed to keep infinite consciousness in a box.

This is why it is so important to utilize our discernment as we go through this process of waking up , we have been in a slumber , a waking dream and as we begin to open our eyes it is very challenging to “Know ” what is truth and what is manipulation.

Currently, a large percentage of the population , or the collective , understand , at least subconsciously, that knowledge carries with it a personal responsibility , which is why all of the belief systems ( religion, new age, politics, science, military,education … ) on the planet are so successful , no one wants to take responsibility for themselves , they want to remain spiritual infants , because believing what others tell us is a hell of a lot easier , it requires absolutely no self discovery .

As long as people are willing to trade freedom for security they will have neither , as long as they are willing to blindly believe what ever they are told , so they don’t have to think or go through the process of self discovery , then we will always have rulers and big daddy figures to fill the demand .

Knowing requires action , knowledge comes from doing ,by exploring, no matter where it takes you , good or bad, comfortable or uncomfortable , beliefs on the other hand are given to us by someone else , most of what people believe is simply what they have been told by others, by society, through indoctrination , so people choose or shop for beliefs that make them feel good or that fit their world view .

However there are universal laws , universal truths that do not require someones belief to exist, these universal laws are not belief systems , they are the way universe works , they do not require anyone’s belief to exist, they exists outside of belief constructs .

Take our world view for example , much of our world view comes from the propaganda being rammed down our throats on a daily basis , but how much of it is actually the truth , we don’t know, we can’t know , because for the most part we have no personal experience of it , so we either believe it because it’s easier to let someone else tell us what is real or we go through the process of self discovery and research and discernment … in other words “we” take the responsibility in determining what is real , what is truth for ourselves, we act as a sovereign, we are self ruled and we act in harmony with the universal laws.

So ask yourself each day , what do you really know , from personal experience , through inner self discovery and compare that to what your beliefs are , are they in alignment , probably not , so much of what we are told , so many of our beliefs are not in alignment with these natural or universal laws , which is why we have so much chaos in the world.

So the best way that we as individuals can have an impact on our collective reality is to become knowers , instead of believers ! Lets quit blindly following and believing in systems that do not serve us, that do not move us towards expansion , growth and unity.

Lets take responsibility and do the work ! Lets get off our individual and collective asses and take a hard look in the mirror , we are the ones creating this consensus reality , so are we going to simply follow the beliefs of those that seek to control and dis empower, or , are we going to educate ourselves ,do the inner or shadow work so that we can have direct knowing , which will allow us to take the “RIGHT ACTION ” in creating a more unified , balanced , holistic individual and collective experience.

Let us regain our sovereign nature and become the self leaders, the self rulers that we are and in doing so we will no longer need all of the beliefs that no longer serve us ,and we can consciously co create the world, that we say , we actually want, you know like … peace , prosperity…FREEDOM!
 Quoting: Bodisafa
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Knowing is something beyond a belief , knowing comes from direct personal experience. If someone tells you the stove is hot , don’t touch it , you can “believe” them , although unless you touch it yourself , you don’t “really ” know that it will burn you.

Knowing is the by product self discovery , believing is the by product of indoctrination. We are all born into this system of indoctrination , we call it our culture , however as Terence Mckenna once said “culture is not our friend”.

What Terence meat by that statement is that culture is a program , a program designed to dis empower the human spirit , designed to keep us at base level of consciousness , designed to keep infinite consciousness in a box.

This is why it is so important to utilize our discernment as we go through this process of waking up , we have been in a slumber , a waking dream and as we begin to open our eyes it is very challenging to “Know ” what is truth and what is manipulation.

Currently, a large percentage of the population , or the collective , understand , at least subconsciously, that knowledge carries with it a personal responsibility , which is why all of the belief systems ( religion, new age, politics, science, military,education … ) on the planet are so successful , no one wants to take responsibility for themselves , they want to remain spiritual infants , because believing what others tell us is a hell of a lot easier , it requires absolutely no self discovery .

As long as people are willing to trade freedom for security they will have neither , as long as they are willing to blindly believe what ever they are told , so they don’t have to think or go through the process of self discovery , then we will always have rulers and big daddy figures to fill the demand .

Knowing requires action , knowledge comes from doing ,by exploring, no matter where it takes you , good or bad, comfortable or uncomfortable , beliefs on the other hand are given to us by someone else , most of what people believe is simply what they have been told by others, by society, through indoctrination , so people choose or shop for beliefs that make them feel good or that fit their world view .

However there are universal laws , universal truths that do not require someones belief to exist, these universal laws are not belief systems , they are the way universe works , they do not require anyone’s belief to exist, they exists outside of belief constructs .

Take our world view for example , much of our world view comes from the propaganda being rammed down our throats on a daily basis , but how much of it is actually the truth , we don’t know, we can’t know , because for the most part we have no personal experience of it , so we either believe it because it’s easier to let someone else tell us what is real or we go through the process of self discovery and research and discernment … in other words “we” take the responsibility in determining what is real , what is truth for ourselves, we act as a sovereign, we are self ruled and we act in harmony with the universal laws.

So ask yourself each day , what do you really know , from personal experience , through inner self discovery and compare that to what your beliefs are , are they in alignment , probably not , so much of what we are told , so many of our beliefs are not in alignment with these natural or universal laws , which is why we have so much chaos in the world.

So the best way that we as individuals can have an impact on our collective reality is to become knowers , instead of believers ! Lets quit blindly following and believing in systems that do not serve us, that do not move us towards expansion , growth and unity.

Lets take responsibility and do the work ! Lets get off our individual and collective asses and take a hard look in the mirror , we are the ones creating this consensus reality , so are we going to simply follow the beliefs of those that seek to control and dis empower, or , are we going to educate ourselves ,do the inner or shadow work so that we can have direct knowing , which will allow us to take the “RIGHT ACTION ” in creating a more unified , balanced , holistic individual and collective experience.

Let us regain our sovereign nature and become the self leaders, the self rulers that we are and in doing so we will no longer need all of the beliefs that no longer serve us ,and we can consciously co create the world, that we say , we actually want, you know like … peace , prosperity…FREEDOM!
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This is why it is so important to utilize our discernment as we go through this process of waking up , we have been in a slumber , a waking dream and as we begin to open our eyes it is very challenging to “Know ” what is truth and what is manipulation.

WE ARE ALL BORN IMPERFECT

SO

OUR DISCERNMENT IS IMPERFECT SUBJECT TO ERROR

BECAUSE OF THIS IMPERFECTION

ONE WILL NEVER GET THE RIGHT ANSWER

ONLY CHASE ONE'S TAIL FOREVER

WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE SEEING RIGHT NOW

UNLESS YOU ACCEPT THE BASE LINE OF ABSOLUTE PERFECTION

WHICH IS JESUS CHRIST

YOU WILL NEVER GET THE RIGHT ANSWER TO ANYTHING
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My last post today as I am tired

WE ARE ALL BORN IMPERFECT

So VERY wrong on many levels.

WE were ALL born PERFECT.

Our PROGRAMMING BECAME our imperfection which is why we THINK we will never get "The right answer"

So......

UNLESS YOU ACCEPT THE BASE LINE OF ABSOLUTE PERFECTION

WHICH IS JESUS CHRIST

When a tree or plant starts to sprout.... Is that NOT ABSOLUTE PERFECTION? For what it is and what it will strive to do?

Have you ever heard a tree talk or a leaf whistle creating the most beautiful song?

You are saying ( in all caps ) Jesus Christ is the Base Line of absolute perfection??????????

Did plants and trees NOT exist before this Base Line PERFECTION Jesus Christ?

Think what the OP is bestowing.

UNLESS YOU ACCEPT...

Is that not programming / forcing YOUR sense of knowing / believing on others?

If its good for you.... go for it.





GLP