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User ID: 71388910 United States 01/25/2021 07:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Knowing is something beyond a belief , knowing comes from direct personal experience. If someone tells you the stove is hot , don’t touch it , you can “believe” them , although unless you touch it yourself , you don’t “really ” know that it will burn you. Quoting: Bodisafa Knowing is the by product self discovery , believing is the by product of indoctrination. We are all born into this system of indoctrination , we call it our culture , however as Terence Mckenna once said “culture is not our friend”. What Terence meat by that statement is that culture is a program , a program designed to dis empower the human spirit , designed to keep us at base level of consciousness , designed to keep infinite consciousness in a box. This is why it is so important to utilize our discernment as we go through this process of waking up , we have been in a slumber , a waking dream and as we begin to open our eyes it is very challenging to “Know ” what is truth and what is manipulation. Currently, a large percentage of the population , or the collective , understand , at least subconsciously, that knowledge carries with it a personal responsibility , which is why all of the belief systems ( religion, new age, politics, science, military,education … ) on the planet are so successful , no one wants to take responsibility for themselves , they want to remain spiritual infants , because believing what others tell us is a hell of a lot easier , it requires absolutely no self discovery . As long as people are willing to trade freedom for security they will have neither , as long as they are willing to blindly believe what ever they are told , so they don’t have to think or go through the process of self discovery , then we will always have rulers and big daddy figures to fill the demand . Knowing requires action , knowledge comes from doing ,by exploring, no matter where it takes you , good or bad, comfortable or uncomfortable , beliefs on the other hand are given to us by someone else , most of what people believe is simply what they have been told by others, by society, through indoctrination , so people choose or shop for beliefs that make them feel good or that fit their world view . However there are universal laws , universal truths that do not require someones belief to exist, these universal laws are not belief systems , they are the way universe works , they do not require anyone’s belief to exist, they exists outside of belief constructs . Take our world view for example , much of our world view comes from the propaganda being rammed down our throats on a daily basis , but how much of it is actually the truth , we don’t know, we can’t know , because for the most part we have no personal experience of it , so we either believe it because it’s easier to let someone else tell us what is real or we go through the process of self discovery and research and discernment … in other words “we” take the responsibility in determining what is real , what is truth for ourselves, we act as a sovereign, we are self ruled and we act in harmony with the universal laws. So ask yourself each day , what do you really know , from personal experience , through inner self discovery and compare that to what your beliefs are , are they in alignment , probably not , so much of what we are told , so many of our beliefs are not in alignment with these natural or universal laws , which is why we have so much chaos in the world. So the best way that we as individuals can have an impact on our collective reality is to become knowers , instead of believers ! Lets quit blindly following and believing in systems that do not serve us, that do not move us towards expansion , growth and unity. Lets take responsibility and do the work ! Lets get off our individual and collective asses and take a hard look in the mirror , we are the ones creating this consensus reality , so are we going to simply follow the beliefs of those that seek to control and dis empower, or , are we going to educate ourselves ,do the inner or shadow work so that we can have direct knowing , which will allow us to take the “RIGHT ACTION ” in creating a more unified , balanced , holistic individual and collective experience. Let us regain our sovereign nature and become the self leaders, the self rulers that we are and in doing so we will no longer need all of the beliefs that no longer serve us ,and we can consciously co create the world, that we say , we actually want, you know like … peace , prosperity…FREEDOM! "Knowing requires action , knowledge comes from doing ,by exploring, no matter where it takes you , good or bad, comfortable or uncomfortable." Without God's grace you got nothing. I did it not by my actions but by God's grace. Why me? God's grace does not judge it just happens even out of turn to the lowliest aka me. I do very little but get much done. How? God's grace. Last Edited by Victor Vectors on 01/25/2021 07:09 PM |
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User ID: 77883372 United States 01/26/2021 08:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Very important post, especially right now. Good reminder realize and admit what we KNOW is a much smaller percentage than what we BELIEVE. And in the subject of current events, as we are all wanting desperately to KNOW... (pick anything, it's not relevant what side you're on or what you stand for) ...do not just satisfy yourself with watching some video of this guy who was in whatever said this and that and here's a picture/video that may be edited. ...and mistake you're wanting to believe as truth for knowledge. And then passing it on as knowledge. There is way too much disinformation, probably more than ever in the modern day. So many wanting the view counts, a following, financial support for presenting their own "beliefs" as truth. (shills, false prophets, etc) Be careful, stay skeptical. Even if you have to burn your own hand to know for sure. "True wisdom is less presuming than folly. The wise man doubteth often, and changeth his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubteth not; he knoweth all things but his own ignorance." Semper Fidelis. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79934078 United States 01/26/2021 09:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Knowing is something beyond a belief , knowing comes from direct personal experience. If someone tells you the stove is hot , don’t touch it , you can “believe” them , although unless you touch it yourself , you don’t “really ” know that it will burn you. Quoting: Bodisafa Knowing is the by product self discovery , believing is the by product of indoctrination. We are all born into this system of indoctrination , we call it our culture , however as Terence Mckenna once said “culture is not our friend”. What Terence meat by that statement is that culture is a program , a program designed to dis empower the human spirit , designed to keep us at base level of consciousness , designed to keep infinite consciousness in a box. This is why it is so important to utilize our discernment as we go through this process of waking up , we have been in a slumber , a waking dream and as we begin to open our eyes it is very challenging to “Know ” what is truth and what is manipulation. Currently, a large percentage of the population , or the collective , understand , at least subconsciously, that knowledge carries with it a personal responsibility , which is why all of the belief systems ( religion, new age, politics, science, military,education … ) on the planet are so successful , no one wants to take responsibility for themselves , they want to remain spiritual infants , because believing what others tell us is a hell of a lot easier , it requires absolutely no self discovery . As long as people are willing to trade freedom for security they will have neither , as long as they are willing to blindly believe what ever they are told , so they don’t have to think or go through the process of self discovery , then we will always have rulers and big daddy figures to fill the demand . Knowing requires action , knowledge comes from doing ,by exploring, no matter where it takes you , good or bad, comfortable or uncomfortable , beliefs on the other hand are given to us by someone else , most of what people believe is simply what they have been told by others, by society, through indoctrination , so people choose or shop for beliefs that make them feel good or that fit their world view . However there are universal laws , universal truths that do not require someones belief to exist, these universal laws are not belief systems , they are the way universe works , they do not require anyone’s belief to exist, they exists outside of belief constructs . Take our world view for example , much of our world view comes from the propaganda being rammed down our throats on a daily basis , but how much of it is actually the truth , we don’t know, we can’t know , because for the most part we have no personal experience of it , so we either believe it because it’s easier to let someone else tell us what is real or we go through the process of self discovery and research and discernment … in other words “we” take the responsibility in determining what is real , what is truth for ourselves, we act as a sovereign, we are self ruled and we act in harmony with the universal laws. So ask yourself each day , what do you really know , from personal experience , through inner self discovery and compare that to what your beliefs are , are they in alignment , probably not , so much of what we are told , so many of our beliefs are not in alignment with these natural or universal laws , which is why we have so much chaos in the world. So the best way that we as individuals can have an impact on our collective reality is to become knowers , instead of believers ! Lets quit blindly following and believing in systems that do not serve us, that do not move us towards expansion , growth and unity. Lets take responsibility and do the work ! Lets get off our individual and collective asses and take a hard look in the mirror , we are the ones creating this consensus reality , so are we going to simply follow the beliefs of those that seek to control and dis empower, or , are we going to educate ourselves ,do the inner or shadow work so that we can have direct knowing , which will allow us to take the “RIGHT ACTION ” in creating a more unified , balanced , holistic individual and collective experience. Let us regain our sovereign nature and become the self leaders, the self rulers that we are and in doing so we will no longer need all of the beliefs that no longer serve us ,and we can consciously co create the world, that we say , we actually want, you know like … peace , prosperity…FREEDOM! :personal green t::hugs 1::Thankyou Happy F: |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79934078 United States 01/26/2021 09:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wisdom is doing the right action, at the right time and the right place. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79982297 No wisdom is knowing from experience what the right action is.. and when its the right time... and when its the right place.. you gained the wisdom first thru genuine experience.. and then used it at these times. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79934078 United States 01/26/2021 09:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Knowing is something beyond a belief , knowing comes from direct personal experience. If someone tells you the stove is hot , don’t touch it , you can “believe” them , although unless you touch it yourself , you don’t “really ” know that it will burn you. Quoting: Bodisafa Knowing is the by product self discovery , believing is the by product of indoctrination. We are all born into this system of indoctrination , we call it our culture , however as Terence Mckenna once said “culture is not our friend”. What Terence meat by that statement is that culture is a program , a program designed to dis empower the human spirit , designed to keep us at base level of consciousness , designed to keep infinite consciousness in a box. This is why it is so important to utilize our discernment as we go through this process of waking up , we have been in a slumber , a waking dream and as we begin to open our eyes it is very challenging to “Know ” what is truth and what is manipulation. Currently, a large percentage of the population , or the collective , understand , at least subconsciously, that knowledge carries with it a personal responsibility , which is why all of the belief systems ( religion, new age, politics, science, military,education … ) on the planet are so successful , no one wants to take responsibility for themselves , they want to remain spiritual infants , because believing what others tell us is a hell of a lot easier , it requires absolutely no self discovery . As long as people are willing to trade freedom for security they will have neither , as long as they are willing to blindly believe what ever they are told , so they don’t have to think or go through the process of self discovery , then we will always have rulers and big daddy figures to fill the demand . Knowing requires action , knowledge comes from doing ,by exploring, no matter where it takes you , good or bad, comfortable or uncomfortable , beliefs on the other hand are given to us by someone else , most of what people believe is simply what they have been told by others, by society, through indoctrination , so people choose or shop for beliefs that make them feel good or that fit their world view . However there are universal laws , universal truths that do not require someones belief to exist, these universal laws are not belief systems , they are the way universe works , they do not require anyone’s belief to exist, they exists outside of belief constructs . Take our world view for example , much of our world view comes from the propaganda being rammed down our throats on a daily basis , but how much of it is actually the truth , we don’t know, we can’t know , because for the most part we have no personal experience of it , so we either believe it because it’s easier to let someone else tell us what is real or we go through the process of self discovery and research and discernment … in other words “we” take the responsibility in determining what is real , what is truth for ourselves, we act as a sovereign, we are self ruled and we act in harmony with the universal laws. So ask yourself each day , what do you really know , from personal experience , through inner self discovery and compare that to what your beliefs are , are they in alignment , probably not , so much of what we are told , so many of our beliefs are not in alignment with these natural or universal laws , which is why we have so much chaos in the world. So the best way that we as individuals can have an impact on our collective reality is to become knowers , instead of believers ! Lets quit blindly following and believing in systems that do not serve us, that do not move us towards expansion , growth and unity. Lets take responsibility and do the work ! Lets get off our individual and collective asses and take a hard look in the mirror , we are the ones creating this consensus reality , so are we going to simply follow the beliefs of those that seek to control and dis empower, or , are we going to educate ourselves ,do the inner or shadow work so that we can have direct knowing , which will allow us to take the “RIGHT ACTION ” in creating a more unified , balanced , holistic individual and collective experience. Let us regain our sovereign nature and become the self leaders, the self rulers that we are and in doing so we will no longer need all of the beliefs that no longer serve us ,and we can consciously co create the world, that we say , we actually want, you know like … peace , prosperity…FREEDOM! "Knowing requires action , knowledge comes from doing ,by exploring, no matter where it takes you , good or bad, comfortable or uncomfortable." Without God's grace you got nothing. I did it not by my actions but by God's grace. Why me? God's grace does not judge it just happens even out of turn to the lowliest aka me. I do very little but get much done. How? God's grace. God's grace allows you to fuck up a lot so you gain wisdom. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79934078 United States 01/26/2021 09:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wisdom is doing the right action, at the right time and the right place. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79982297 No wisdom is knowing from experience There's no greater wisdom from experience than knowing that urantia is bullshit. hey $3.50 man...you never read it.. you just earn money chasing me which is not a sign of having obtained experiential wisdom. I am a very old being outside my suit of meat and I do have experiential learning of those topics in the Urantia book... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79934078 United States 01/26/2021 09:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | and you know that HOW? do not quote the bible. because you are missing the wisdom here? it shows... copy paste is not the attainment of wisdom from experience and God is not in the sky either. I await the time when your wisdom developes to where you KNOW the Father is in your mind and you are thus a son of that Father by experiential wisdom obtained. Have a nice day folks.. OP is right. Memorizing stuff is not wisdom.. it may be truth.. or it can be crap .. The attainment of wisdom comes from experience which tells you if what you memorized is crap or truth. :Love to you 2: you are on the earth plane to gain wisdom.. end of story. Have a nice day... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79982597 United States 01/26/2021 09:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | and you know that HOW? do not quote the bible. because you are missing the wisdom here? it shows... copy paste is not the attainment of wisdom from experience and God is not in the sky either. I await the time when your wisdom developes to where you KNOW the Father is in your mind and you are thus a son of that Father by experiential wisdom obtained. Have a nice day folks.. OP is right. Memorizing stuff is not wisdom.. it may be truth.. or it can be crap .. The attainment of wisdom comes from experience which tells you if what you memorized is crap or truth. :Love to you 2: you are on the earth plane to gain wisdom.. end of story. Have a nice day... Satan approves your every word. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79934078 United States 01/26/2021 09:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | using the word Fuck as I did is not cursing.. it is authentic communication... you are doing the mind control thing beloved...LOOK. You just fucked up in your statement to me... so you have some grace given to you. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79982593 South Africa 01/26/2021 09:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Your premise is predicated in the believe that we are asleep and that we should awaken to a different reality where we can know the truth. Not unlike any other faith that believes that we are somehow the captives of unseen force that seeks to subjected us to its rule. Like the satan in Christianity and the believe that we should convert to escape its rule. You argument is self defeating Aso known as |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1375348 United States 01/26/2021 10:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Epistemology. There are various ways to acquire knowledge beyond direct experience and subjective experience itself is prone to error. Logical deduction can lead to a greater degree of knowledge than experience. The problem I see these days is that most people want to believe things and confuse belief with knowledge. The threshold for knowing should be very high, like the threshold for a guilty verdict, beyond reasonable doubt. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79934078 United States 01/26/2021 10:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | but its not knowing by experience. God is felt within the heart.MIND IS GOD in fact.. in origin. Mind has created the entire creation in fact... and there is nothing mot made from MIND.. creative mind will by experience come to know. |