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Poster Handle Sol-tari
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I guess our debate breaks into a simple split.

Those you speak of are not in alignment, therefore all are.

I disagree.

And I don't paint everything with the same brush due to the actions of select few
 Quoting: Sol-tari


It is too rare in group behavior for these things not to be reinforced. Supporting humanity per se supports these dynamics. You speak of human goodness as if human goodness were the point. It isn't, not from the standpoint of culture, society, moral systems, or interpersonal relationships.
 Quoting: IfYouInsist


Yes, a number of humans merely follow programming - eventually most think about it.
But much in the way hundreds of years ago it was the morale thing to burn the witch and cheer, or kill and abduct numbers of a neighbour tribe, ideas around good and bad change.
And that's the first time I've said anything of goodness during this exchange.
If the leaders are teaching bad maths, blame the leaders.
Don't yell at the kids because their math is bad.
 Quoting: Sol-tari


All these things still happen; often, you don't even need to call them different things, as many feel compelled to do. Still rarer than the societies or groups which don't do these things are those that do whose members reflect upon them and find themselves to have been mistaken.

Children go down with their parents, because parents own their children. Just because somebody's got to be the bad guy in order to be the good guy doesn't mean that anyone actually will. The job of the centurions is filled, with piles of applications still waiting to be read. As is the job of Caesar. As is the job of Pilate. As is the job of the mob preparing to shout 'crucify him.' No one wants the single job that is actually necessary here. If you say that this is because people are selfish, well, they are about to be taught a lesson for it that history indicates quite clearly they aren't built to learn.
 Quoting: IfYouInsist


Chuckle

If people such as those your describe did not exist, those practices would be much more common.
But at certain times, humanity does reflect.

Parents own their children?
Mate, they don't own me.
Can't speak for your relationship, or how you'd consider your children.

And just look around the board mate, or the world.
Plenty step up to the position, or martyr themselves in the cause of thru various ways
 
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