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...What's the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Wouldn't be sacrificing for them... But I've met some good people I'd consider it Quoting: Sol-tari You need to distinguish between 'good' and 'useful.' A person you and likely I would refer to as good is actually useful, just as the people we would refer to as evil is harmful. But goodness is a matter of birth--ie, nobility. It's a ruling class designation that applies only to itself. Insisting on people being useful as them being good not only glorifies slavery and wrt self-sacrifice an early death, but reinforces slavery, since if a person isn't good, they are evil, and so you end up punishing them for not being useful. All in service of those who are good by birth, and never cease to be so no matter what they do. Again: why bother? All the arguments have been made. Quoting: IfYouInsist I guess our debate breaks into a simple split. Those you speak of are not in alignment, therefore all are. I disagree. And I don't paint everything with the same brush due to the actions of select few Quoting: Sol-tari It is too rare in group behavior for these things not to be reinforced. Supporting humanity per se supports these dynamics. You speak of human goodness as if human goodness were the point. It isn't, not from the standpoint of culture, society, moral systems, or interpersonal relationships. Quoting: IfYouInsist Yes, a number of humans merely follow programming - eventually most think about it. But much in the way hundreds of years ago it was the morale thing to burn the witch and cheer, or kill and abduct numbers of a neighbour tribe, ideas around good and bad change. And that's the first time I've said anything of goodness during this exchange. If the leaders are teaching bad maths, blame the leaders. Don't yell at the kids because their math is bad.
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