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Footage from an Egyptian ICU.

This is the moment the oxygen supplies ran out.

I guess, for those wanting footage from inside hospitals...
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What's your point?
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Seen a lot of people asking for footage from inside an ICU unit, or a ward of people affected by covid.

Thought this would make them happy?
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Looks totally fake actually, produced to bring more fear and terror, all actors. Prove the opposite.

If the virus was real, they would not circulate videos that are same all over, all over the Net, all over the News Globally, the same videos. And surely it would be done with a professionally way. Since the threat from the virus is so huge.

Everything is a lie, there is no virus, the one that they allegedly say it is so lethal at least.
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Egyptian prosecutors opened an investigation into the deaths on Sunday of at least four coronavirus patients at a public Egyptian hospital, after a video of nurses struggling to keep the patients alive was shared widely on social media.

The governor of Sharqia province denied allegations by a relative of one of the patients that the deaths were caused by a lack of oxygen at the government-run intensive care unit treating COVID-19 patients...

...Governor Mamdouh Ghorab said the patients died because they suffered chronic diseases in addition to the virus. The relative, who also filmed the video, offered no immediate evidence to back up their claim that the hospital ran out of oxygen....

...The hospital director and doctors were being questioned, according to an official at the public prosecutor’s office in Cairo who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because they were not authorised to brief the media.


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What's GLP think from the video?
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will not rate this thread, out of respect for life.
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The best case scenario, just to include the possibility that something exists, in that case, it is a bioweapon, realized by China, to affect certain genomes, in certain genes that the virus can express, the rest are ok, since the virus cannot get expressed on them. Simply they found the least people that they could use so to start their war towards humans, the US and the rest regions, so that they could expand as Nation, since they are very much and they have to find food and other resources.

The above would be logical, since in China they are now ok, no one is getting infected, and all rest are Worldwide.

And to just think, at start they said about a group or one person that came and infected all the rest and goes on...the same now, with all those alleged mutations, and so many humans travelling to China from the rest World, China should be full of covid and there is no covid at all.

And anyway, at start in China mostly Wuhan got affected, no else region of China, except for publicity to pass theirfear.

It is an ongoing war, China vs The rest World and especially the US.
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The worst case scenario is nothing to exist, simply nothing at all, which is very logical as well. Then it is not only China, it is all the Governments of the World against their citizens.
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State or non-state actor, someone aimed to change the world and they did. All the same old talk about peace and love, and still this is how people effect change in the world, and they give the excuse that if these things aren't done then everything would still be the same. If the method for causing change remains the same, then nothing has changed or will change at the only level that matters. Hardly worth sacrificing for, is it?
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i want to not believe this
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State or non-state actor, someone aimed to change the world and they did. All the same old talk about peace and love, and still this is how people effect change in the world, and they give the excuse that if these things aren't done then everything would still be the same. If the method for causing change remains the same, then nothing has changed or will change at the only level that matters. Hardly worth sacrificing for, is it?
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Yep, not only did someone aim to change the World but they also shrinked the World. The box that we were already in got filled with smaller boxes and we are almost at the first box inside the big box now.
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State or non-state actor, someone aimed to change the world and they did. All the same old talk about peace and love, and still this is how people effect change in the world, and they give the excuse that if these things aren't done then everything would still be the same. If the method for causing change remains the same, then nothing has changed or will change at the only level that matters. Hardly worth sacrificing for, is it?
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The World has changed, what they reflect as keeping us safe is exactly the opposite, they do not care at all for us, after all it should be obvious from the very simple fact that upon being found positive they send you home to die.
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State or non-state actor, someone aimed to change the world and they did. All the same old talk about peace and love, and still this is how people effect change in the world, and they give the excuse that if these things aren't done then everything would still be the same. If the method for causing change remains the same, then nothing has changed or will change at the only level that matters. Hardly worth sacrificing for, is it?
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The World has changed, what they reflect as keeping us safe is exactly the opposite, they do not care at all for us, after all it should be obvious from the very simple fact that upon being found positive they send you home to die.
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If their motto is , you go home so to keep others safe, let's do it with logic, let them all out, whoever is going to get ill to get ill and die and mass immunity to get accomplished for the rest.

But they did not do that, still though it is like they do that but also seeking more damage to all.
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State or non-state actor, someone aimed to change the world and they did. All the same old talk about peace and love, and still this is how people effect change in the world, and they give the excuse that if these things aren't done then everything would still be the same. If the method for causing change remains the same, then nothing has changed or will change at the only level that matters. Hardly worth sacrificing for, is it?
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The World has changed, what they reflect as keeping us safe is exactly the opposite, they do not care at all for us, after all it should be obvious from the very simple fact that upon being found positive they send you home to die.
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I've been left to die by less powerful groups. Chalk it up to human nature.
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and the more damage to all is not only from the virus, but from the economy, the measures, the psychology, and goes on, we are living dead already.
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Does water and air always run out when the ground is frozen?
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State or non-state actor, someone aimed to change the world and they did. All the same old talk about peace and love, and still this is how people effect change in the world, and they give the excuse that if these things aren't done then everything would still be the same. If the method for causing change remains the same, then nothing has changed or will change at the only level that matters. Hardly worth sacrificing for, is it?
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The World has changed, what they reflect as keeping us safe is exactly the opposite, they do not care at all for us, after all it should be obvious from the very simple fact that upon being found positive they send you home to die.
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I've been left to die by less powerful groups. Chalk it up to human nature.
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Do not know what chalk it up means, but would take the human nature and use it to reflect what they do, they want to become the human nature upon all.
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Does water and air always run out when the ground is frozen?
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Can you explain? :)
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Does water and air always run out when the ground is frozen?
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Can you explain? :)
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You know it is already primitive the way communication is done, if we speak with riddles, we won't be able to discuss.
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State or non-state actor, someone aimed to change the world and they did. All the same old talk about peace and love, and still this is how people effect change in the world, and they give the excuse that if these things aren't done then everything would still be the same. If the method for causing change remains the same, then nothing has changed or will change at the only level that matters. Hardly worth sacrificing for, is it?
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What's the definition of insanity?
Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Wouldn't be sacrificing for them...
But I've met some good people I'd consider it

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State or non-state actor, someone aimed to change the world and they did. All the same old talk about peace and love, and still this is how people effect change in the world, and they give the excuse that if these things aren't done then everything would still be the same. If the method for causing change remains the same, then nothing has changed or will change at the only level that matters. Hardly worth sacrificing for, is it?
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The World has changed, what they reflect as keeping us safe is exactly the opposite, they do not care at all for us, after all it should be obvious from the very simple fact that upon being found positive they send you home to die.
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I've been left to die by less powerful groups. Chalk it up to human nature.
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Do not know what chalk it up means, but would take the human nature and use it to reflect what they do, they want to become the human nature upon all.
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It means: assign responsibility to the sorts of people that human beings admire as strong and as leaders, rather than to those who cemented their position/enforced their ideas onto the rest of us. If there's some higher ideal, it isn't to be found here, and those who insist there is have destroyed all workable alternatives. Game over, likely.
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State or non-state actor, someone aimed to change the world and they did. All the same old talk about peace and love, and still this is how people effect change in the world, and they give the excuse that if these things aren't done then everything would still be the same. If the method for causing change remains the same, then nothing has changed or will change at the only level that matters. Hardly worth sacrificing for, is it?
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What's the definition of insanity?
Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Wouldn't be sacrificing for them...
But I've met some good people I'd consider it

Chuckle
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You need to distinguish between 'good' and 'useful.' A person you and likely I would refer to as good is actually useful, just as the people we would refer to as evil is harmful. But goodness is a matter of birth--ie, nobility. It's a ruling class designation that applies only to itself. Insisting on people being useful as them being good not only glorifies slavery and wrt self-sacrifice an early death, but reinforces slavery, since if a person isn't good, they are evil, and so you end up punishing them for not being useful. All in service of those who are good by birth, and never cease to be so no matter what they do. Again: why bother? All the arguments have been made.
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The World has changed, what they reflect as keeping us safe is exactly the opposite, they do not care at all for us, after all it should be obvious from the very simple fact that upon being found positive they send you home to die.
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I've been left to die by less powerful groups. Chalk it up to human nature.
 Quoting: IfYouInsist


Do not know what chalk it up means, but would take the human nature and use it to reflect what they do, they want to become the human nature upon all.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79807589


It means: assign responsibility to the sorts of people that human beings admire as strong and as leaders, rather than to those who cemented their position/enforced their ideas onto the rest of us. If there's some higher ideal, it isn't to be found here, and those who insist there is have destroyed all workable alternatives. Game over, likely.
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Thanks, so the Chalk it up to human Nature was something like, leave it the rest to the way humans have been taught to react. Like we say, human nature, greed is a part of it, power another part, the ego, another part and goes on. Right ?:)
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State or non-state actor, someone aimed to change the world and they did. All the same old talk about peace and love, and still this is how people effect change in the world, and they give the excuse that if these things aren't done then everything would still be the same. If the method for causing change remains the same, then nothing has changed or will change at the only level that matters. Hardly worth sacrificing for, is it?
 Quoting: IfYouInsist


What's the definition of insanity?
Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Wouldn't be sacrificing for them...
But I've met some good people I'd consider it

Chuckle
 Quoting: Sol-tari


You need to distinguish between 'good' and 'useful.' A person you and likely I would refer to as good is actually useful, just as the people we would refer to as evil is harmful. But goodness is a matter of birth--ie, nobility. It's a ruling class designation that applies only to itself. Insisting on people being useful as them being good not only glorifies slavery and wrt self-sacrifice an early death, but reinforces slavery, since if a person isn't good, they are evil, and so you end up punishing them for not being useful. All in service of those who are good by birth, and never cease to be so no matter what they do. Again: why bother? All the arguments have been made.
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I guess our debate breaks into a simple split.

Those you speak of are not in alignment, therefore all are.

I disagree.

And I don't paint everything with the same brush due to the actions of select few
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Maybe pass this on to them for me

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State or non-state actor, someone aimed to change the world and they did. All the same old talk about peace and love, and still this is how people effect change in the world, and they give the excuse that if these things aren't done then everything would still be the same. If the method for causing change remains the same, then nothing has changed or will change at the only level that matters. Hardly worth sacrificing for, is it?
 Quoting: IfYouInsist


What's the definition of insanity?
Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Wouldn't be sacrificing for them...
But I've met some good people I'd consider it

Chuckle
 Quoting: Sol-tari


You need to distinguish between 'good' and 'useful.' A person you and likely I would refer to as good is actually useful, just as the people we would refer to as evil is harmful. But goodness is a matter of birth--ie, nobility. It's a ruling class designation that applies only to itself. Insisting on people being useful as them being good not only glorifies slavery and wrt self-sacrifice an early death, but reinforces slavery, since if a person isn't good, they are evil, and so you end up punishing them for not being useful. All in service of those who are good by birth, and never cease to be so no matter what they do. Again: why bother? All the arguments have been made.
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Actually yes, would agree that all the arguments have been made, we are just witnesses now of our fate that is written for us, we might be able to postpone the result as of how soon it will affect us, but only if death catches first, it will not affect us.
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Maybe pass this on to them for me

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or maybe just tonic water plus bombay saphire, or just a propolis spray for throat, which is sweet and tastes great and stops it instantly.
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Maybe pass this on to them for me

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Not a great help when oxygen is required.

But hopefully someone in the medical services takes note
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State or non-state actor, someone aimed to change the world and they did. All the same old talk about peace and love, and still this is how people effect change in the world, and they give the excuse that if these things aren't done then everything would still be the same. If the method for causing change remains the same, then nothing has changed or will change at the only level that matters. Hardly worth sacrificing for, is it?
 Quoting: IfYouInsist


What's the definition of insanity?
Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Wouldn't be sacrificing for them...
But I've met some good people I'd consider it

Chuckle
 Quoting: Sol-tari


You need to distinguish between 'good' and 'useful.' A person you and likely I would refer to as good is actually useful, just as the people we would refer to as evil is harmful. But goodness is a matter of birth--ie, nobility. It's a ruling class designation that applies only to itself. Insisting on people being useful as them being good not only glorifies slavery and wrt self-sacrifice an early death, but reinforces slavery, since if a person isn't good, they are evil, and so you end up punishing them for not being useful. All in service of those who are good by birth, and never cease to be so no matter what they do. Again: why bother? All the arguments have been made.
 Quoting: IfYouInsist


I guess our debate breaks into a simple split.

Those you speak of are not in alignment, therefore all are.

I disagree.

And I don't paint everything with the same brush due to the actions of select few
 Quoting: Sol-tari


It is too rare in group behavior for these things not to be reinforced. Supporting humanity per se supports these dynamics. You speak of human goodness as if human goodness were the point. It isn't, not from the standpoint of culture, society, moral systems, or interpersonal relationships.
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Not a great help when oxygen is required.

But hopefully someone in the medical services takes note
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Unrelated, those were unlucky, but the rest are not also lucky.

Before we had the virus to not find suitable ground to express in our genes, thus the asymptomatic, with really no symptoms. Now with the vaccines, they are placing a virus that can express, thus the one week symptoms after the second injection, which when the virus from the outside come near those, it will engage the memory to fight it but will also trigger the production of a mutation that will affect and simple asymptomatic persons that have not been vaccinated, then those asymptomatic persons will suddenly become very symptomatic and will infect those that are healthy, those that are asymptomatic till then and those that got vaccinated.

It is a domino. Especially for the mRNA type of "vaccines"
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But surely they have given the antidote to those that must. Thanks GLP, this part is for the conspiracy theory. :)
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Maybe pass this on to them for me

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Not a great help when oxygen is required.

But hopefully someone in the medical services takes note
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Oxygen is not needed to halt the infection.
American doctors discovered early on intubation killed patients quicker yet uk intubates (which is not even a proper word but a new label) as many as they can and then reports 1000 dead in a day?

Wake the fuck up.
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What's the definition of insanity?
Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Wouldn't be sacrificing for them...
But I've met some good people I'd consider it

Chuckle
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You need to distinguish between 'good' and 'useful.' A person you and likely I would refer to as good is actually useful, just as the people we would refer to as evil is harmful. But goodness is a matter of birth--ie, nobility. It's a ruling class designation that applies only to itself. Insisting on people being useful as them being good not only glorifies slavery and wrt self-sacrifice an early death, but reinforces slavery, since if a person isn't good, they are evil, and so you end up punishing them for not being useful. All in service of those who are good by birth, and never cease to be so no matter what they do. Again: why bother? All the arguments have been made.
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I guess our debate breaks into a simple split.

Those you speak of are not in alignment, therefore all are.

I disagree.

And I don't paint everything with the same brush due to the actions of select few
 Quoting: Sol-tari


It is too rare in group behavior for these things not to be reinforced. Supporting humanity per se supports these dynamics. You speak of human goodness as if human goodness were the point. It isn't, not from the standpoint of culture, society, moral systems, or interpersonal relationships.
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Yes, a number of humans merely follow programming - eventually most think about it.
But much in the way hundreds of years ago it was the morale thing to burn the witch and cheer, or kill and abduct numbers of a neighbour tribe, ideas around good and bad change.
And that's the first time I've said anything of goodness during this exchange.
If the leaders are teaching bad maths, blame the leaders.
Don't yell at the kids because their math is bad.
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