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What my grandfather and his family did in 1918 to escape the pandemic that was killing hundreds in Florence, Alabama.

 
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Right in the middle of the Civil War in 1863, my mother's whole family, except the men off fighting in the army, all moved from North Carolina to Alabama to escape how the southerners were being abused by the Yankee troops.

They were also mostly Freemasons.

My great-aunt wrote in her diary that when they had to pass through Union lines, they would flash the secret Freemason sign and the Union sentries stopped harassing them and let them pass freely.
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That's interesting..jim mmarrs's rule by secrecy does a great introduction to the whole civil war..as for the Spanish flu thingy odd TV kinda put this whole new plandemic to bed [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
Als look up fatimaMovemntdotcom for what freemasonry are about and whats the hold up to the new world order reality
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In 1918 the "Spanish" Flu was ravaging Alabama very badly. They were worried about the children dying from the pandemic. So, he decided to take his whole family including his wife and four kids from Florence, Alabama to Wichita Falls, Texas in a covered wagon pulled by a pair mules.

My mother, before she died still remembered riding in the wagon, since she was the smallest child, while the older kids walked.

My grandfather was a machinist by trade and later moved on to Port Arthur, TX during the oil boom of the 1920s.
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There is no pandemic, only exists on the fake news media, the sanitary conditions were a lot different in 1918
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You aren't capable of abstract thought or extrapolating outward for decades with a pattern of behavior such as the one you are advocating.

It would be better that your own children die than to subjugate the entire species.
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Yeah...well, you failed at trying to prove how ideologically pure you are..
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Communism is a trap, you might end up learning the hard way if Sleepy gets in.
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You really are stupid. I know exactly what is happening and no need for me to learn the hard way. The country is over.

No private business will be left and the middle class will be destroyed..Private property ownership is going to be a thing of the past.

Agenda 2030 and sustainable cities network is coming full steam ahead and is going to run over this county.

The lock downs will not end until this is achieved. The past year has made that abundantly clear

WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH LETTING YOUR CHILD STARVE?...Stop the virtue signally crap..I get it you are a constitutionalist..A libertarian...A free sovereign citizen

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My grandparents and parents told me nothing about life in general. My father never admitted his father beat him. My aunt told me this when I was 24. They always acted as if everything was okay even while beating me (from 13 to 21)and sending my schizophrenic sister to the streets. This is about all I learned from the lot them: pretend that everything is okay and never talk about anything. They are all dead now except for my sister who has harmed me in every way imaginable since I was born.
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My grandparents and parents told me nothing about life in general. My father never admitted his father beat him. My aunt told me this when I was 24. They always acted as if everything was okay even while beating me (from 13 to 21)and sending my schizophrenic sister to the streets. This is about all I learned from the lot them: pretend that everything is okay and never talk about anything. They are all dead now except for my sister who has harmed me in every way imaginable since I was born.
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Geez, man.

I'm so sorry to hear that.
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My grandparents and parents told me nothing about life in general. My father never admitted his father beat him. My aunt told me this when I was 24. They always acted as if everything was okay even while beating me (from 13 to 21)and sending my schizophrenic sister to the streets. This is about all I learned from the lot them: pretend that everything is okay and never talk about anything. They are all dead now except for my sister who has harmed me in every way imaginable since I was born.
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I'm sorry. People are very flawed beings.

Some can rise above all of the madness and some cannot.

That's just the way it is.

Only you can do it. No one else.

Peace
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My dads Uncle Robert remembers that time.. he was farther west in Texas than Wichita Falls... north of Abilene ... He says that when you needed to speak to someone.. you stayed on your horse and you threw rocks at their house till they opened a window... then you hollered at each other to communicate from a distance.... True Story..
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My Welsh family sailed to Philadelphia as part of William Penn's English Royal land grant that later became known as Pennsylvania.

He came as an indentured farm worker.

After working off his indentured service(several years), he was given free land down in South Carolina if he agreed to harvest "Naval Stores" for the Penn Plantation Colony up north.

All wooden sailing ships used to need to be caulked with cotton and pine tar pitch to seal the ship hulls.

He and many others would harvest pine tar from Yellow Pines in SC by cutting deep channels in the pine trees to collect the pine sap.

That pine sap was then turned into pitch or pine tar and also distilled into turpentine.

It took him and his family several years to earn the title to the land in SC.
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An ancestor of mine was also a Welsh Friend who settled in Pennsylvania in the Welsh Tract. Also supposedly the family had some land in the Carolinas.
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Yes! How many people even know today that the word "Protestant" comes from the PROTEST of the Catholic Church. Those Protestants had many different names like Lutherans from Martin Luther, Mennonites, Anabaptists, Amish, Shakers and many others.

They came to America because of the abuse and torture they received in their homelands.
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In the case of Puritans and Friends/Quakers the abuse came from the Protestant English Church. And in America Puritans often treated the Friends very poorly. What I’ve discovered is that many came for religious freedom to practice their particular form of Christianity. They themselves didn’t welcome differences any more than the church they left behind. The Friends however were generally more tolerant.
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In 1918 the "Spanish" Flu was ravaging Alabama very badly. They were worried about the children dying from the pandemic. So, he decided to take his whole family including his wife and four kids from Florence, Alabama to Wichita Falls, Texas in a covered wagon pulled by a pair mules.

My mother, before she died still remembered riding in the wagon, since she was the smallest child, while the older kids walked.

My grandfather was a machinist by trade and later moved on to Port Arthur, TX during the oil boom of the 1920s.
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Thanks for the awesome family story! My Great grandparents also came from Alabama & my great grandad would do side jobs in bigger ares to buy supplies for the final destination Western Oklahoma, my granddad was born in Waxahachie Texas in 1900 during one of their stops. Whats awesome is I was born In Western Okla, but have lived in Texas since 1986, I've had some accounts in Waxahachie for over 10 years now, full circle!

And you're 100% correct, we have no ideal how easy we have it
Be strong, be of good courage, God bless America & long live the republic. .
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People think that they have things so rough today.

They have lost all knowledge of what real hardship used to be.
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You got that right. I think we need to be reminded of that sometimes. My mom, who is 82 and German, escaped Poland with her family during the war and went to Germany and then, at the age of 12, left Germany for America, walking miles through the mountains and stuffed on trains covered with lice along with her mom (my grandma), her grandma (my great grandma), and her 9 brothers and sisters. My grandpa had been taken prisoner of war. They came to America on a sponsorship and were given an acre of land in Colorado where they slept in the dirt with just the clothes on their backs and built the family farm by hand with basically just sticks and clay. My grandpa showed up a few years later, shocking everyone. They had thought he was dead. My dad's family, all Armenians, barely escaped the Armenian genocide in Armenia by the Turks, came over by boat to Ellis Island/New York with just the clothes on their backs and made their way, never complaining. Before that, my dad's dad, my grandpa, who was born in 1900 in Armenia, had gone to England real young to live with relatives while his parents and brothers went to America. In 1912, the plan was for him to come to America on the Titanic which was leaving out of South Hampton. He stood for two days in the immigrant line for a spot in the Titanic's cargo hold but before they let the immigrants on board, a doctor came by and checked their eyesight, going down the line. My grandpa had TERRIBLE eyesight with big old glasses and he was also sick so they didn't let him on. The rest of that story, of course is history. If it wasn't for my grandpa being so blind and sickly as a kid, I wouldn't be here! He waited a month and took the next ship out to Ellis Island where my great grandparents were waiting.

My life, comparatively to all that, was a walk in the fucking park.

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My mother was a tough, loud, outspoken, proud, loving woman.

Her life was not easy raising 3 kids alone, but she was always too proud to give up or to take welfare.

Those people and the way that they lived is completely lost today.

We lose SO much when previous generations die out.
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Yes.

Our culture has NO respect for the older generation. Young ones don't listen to their parents or the elderly, who have so much life experience.

It's tragic and sad. These young college kids don't remember East and West Germany and how they killed people who tried to leave the communist side. They have no idea about Mao's luxury palaces. Or Castro's yachts with underage girls.

They think the "boohmers" know nothing. when it's the young ones who know nothing except their brainwashing.
So, it's more than sad, it's dangerous.
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People think that they have things so rough today.

They have lost all knowledge of what real hardship used to be.
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You got that right. I think we need to be reminded of that sometimes. My mom, who is 82 and German, escaped Poland with her family during the war and went to Germany and then, at the age of 12, left Germany for America, walking miles through the mountains and stuffed on trains covered with lice along with her mom (my grandma), her grandma (my great grandma), and her 9 brothers and sisters. My grandpa had been taken prisoner of war. They came to America on a sponsorship and were given an acre of land in Colorado where they slept in the dirt with just the clothes on their backs and built the family farm by hand with basically just sticks and clay. My grandpa showed up a few years later, shocking everyone. They had thought he was dead. My dad's family, all Armenians, barely escaped the Armenian genocide in Armenia by the Turks, came over by boat to Ellis Island/New York with just the clothes on their backs and made their way, never complaining. Before that, my dad's dad, my grandpa, who was born in 1900 in Armenia, had gone to England real young to live with relatives while his parents and brothers went to America. In 1912, the plan was for him to come to America on the Titanic which was leaving out of South Hampton. He stood for two days in the immigrant line for a spot in the Titanic's cargo hold but before they let the immigrants on board, a doctor came by and checked their eyesight, going down the line. My grandpa had TERRIBLE eyesight with big old glasses and he was also sick so they didn't let him on. The rest of that story, of course is history. If it wasn't for my grandpa being so blind and sickly as a kid, I wouldn't be here! He waited a month and took the next ship out to Ellis Island where my great grandparents were waiting.

My life, comparatively to all that, was a walk in the fucking park.
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Amazing stories. THANK YOU!
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As I move into my 70s, what am I afraid of?

What keeps me awake at night?

What makes me fear for the coming generations?

Well, it really is the coming generations lack of education about their ancestors and their past. The lack of knowledge or even desire to know who their ancestors were. How they lived. What was important to them. What drove them. What they held dear.

I see a complete collapse in our education system. I see it almost to the level of them being retarded or brain damaged. To the point where they no longer capable of grasping this deeper understanding and knowledge.

This coming collapse is not about some fucking politician! Or even what type of government we have! The problem is way deeper than that! It is about humanity's ability to function as a society at all.

If you don't know and respect who you are, what hope is there of you making the right choices later.

I honestly cry for the children...
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Aspirin overdose was the major killer during the spanish flu epidemic.
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This is what they say. Aspirin was new and people took too much not realizing correct dosage.
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This!!!

Aspirin (ASA) was brand new and considered something of a miracle. Many doctors and most ordinary people had no idea that ASA toxicity was pretty easy to achieve.

Aspirin worked great for symptoms of the new Spanish flu! It stopped the aches and pains within minutes! So people took a LOT of it, and it was recommended EVERYWHERE. Next thing you know- liver and kidney failure.

more than half of the people who died during the 1918 Spanish flu actually died from Aspirin/ASA overdose.
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My mother was a tough, loud, outspoken, proud, loving woman.

Her life was not easy raising 3 kids alone, but she was always too proud to give up or to take welfare.

Those people and the way that they lived is completely lost today.

We lose SO much when previous generations die out.
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Yes.

Our culture has NO respect for the older generation. Young ones don't listen to their parents or the elderly, who have so much life experience.

It's tragic and sad. These young college kids don't remember East and West Germany and how they killed people who tried to leave the communist side. They have no idea about Mao's luxury palaces. Or Castro's yachts with underage girls.

They think the "boohmers" know nothing. when it's the young ones who know nothing except their brainwashing.
So, it's more than sad, it's dangerous.
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Booolmlers are a really really poor example of how previous generations were superior to current gens...
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My mother was a tough, loud, outspoken, proud, loving woman.

Her life was not easy raising 3 kids alone, but she was always too proud to give up or to take welfare.

Those people and the way that they lived is completely lost today.

We lose SO much when previous generations die out.
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Yes.

Our culture has NO respect for the older generation. Young ones don't listen to their parents or the elderly, who have so much life experience.

It's tragic and sad. These young college kids don't remember East and West Germany and how they killed people who tried to leave the communist side. They have no idea about Mao's luxury palaces. Or Castro's yachts with underage girls.

They think the "boohmers" know nothing. when it's the young ones who know nothing except their brainwashing.
So, it's more than sad, it's dangerous.
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Booolmlers are a really really poor example of how previous generations were superior to current gens...
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That is a childish cop-out on your part.
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Many Irish and Welsh fought for the Union also.

But NEVER in my family! But still, Lord help them, those people do love to fight!

Again, they fought for many reasons, but mostly they were loyal to the country that took them in.

You really need to listen to this old song written during the Civil War.


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Many Irish and Welsh fought for the Union also.

But NEVER in my family! But still, Lord help them, those people do love to fight!

Again, they fought for many reasons, but mostly they were loyal to the country that took them in.

You really need to listen to this old song written during the Civil War.


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PLEASE read the caption for this very old song. There are some things worth dying for!
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so, OP, you still have not answered the Subject of your thread.
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so, OP, you still have not answered the Subject of your thread.
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Maybe I did, but were just too dumb to grasp the answer.
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Many, many Irish immigrants fought for both the North and the South during the Civil War for many reasons. Many had no jobs or hope of ever getting any land of their own.

Some fought just because they loved their new adopted country.

And some fought hoping that land grants or pensions would be given to war veterans.

And to be honest, some fought just because they liked a good fight! *grin*

Here is why my Irish ancestors fought for the Southern Confederacy:


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Wow I was born in Florence, Al

Great thread OP
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When you see beautiful pictures of Ireland and Wales with their beautiful green open fields as far as you can see, with rock rubble of old stone houses, YOU REMEMBER!

Those beautiful green fields are there because MILLIONS of starving share cropper families either died during the potato famine or were forced to immigrate to Australia, Canada or America as indentured slaves to survive!

The land was then just taken over by huge land owners that were mostly English aristocrats!

I see those beautiful pictures of the Irish countryside and it makes my blood boil.

I could never go to Ireland today. It would be too painful to see.
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Same as uk mainland 'land held in common', and its roots, implications.
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My mother was a tough, loud, outspoken, proud, loving woman.

Her life was not easy raising 3 kids alone, but she was always too proud to give up or to take welfare.

Those people and the way that they lived is completely lost today.

We lose SO much when previous generations die out.
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Yes.

Our culture has NO respect for the older generation. Young ones don't listen to their parents or the elderly, who have so much life experience.

It's tragic and sad. These young college kids don't remember East and West Germany and how they killed people who tried to leave the communist side. They have no idea about Mao's luxury palaces. Or Castro's yachts with underage girls.

They think the "boohmers" know nothing. when it's the young ones who know nothing except their brainwashing.
So, it's more than sad, it's dangerous.
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Booolmlers are a really really poor example of how previous generations were superior to current gens...
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You are so pitiful it gratifies me immensely.
Somebody says "they're stupid losers even fogs dont want to see after one use"
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Well America? Even God can't stand these fugly sons of paleo pigs!
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Yes and all that during a world War, and they didn't know that a second world War was coming as well as a global depression.

Well at least they had the roaring 20s.
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People think that they have things so rough today.

They have lost all knowledge of what real hardship used to be.
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In 2002, the people of Anniston suddenly learned from a 60 Minutes investigation that theirs was one of the most toxic cities in the nation. PCBs are widely disseminated in industry products, so widely in fact, that the average American has PCB blood levels of 2 parts per billion (ppb). But the mostly black victims of Anniston suffered huge exposures. Howard Frumkin, M.D., told me, “Anniston has the highest levels of PCB exposure of any town in America, of any town that I’ve ever heard of.”
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It was not PCB it was what was in the ground from the gas and other chemical warfare left at the Fort, it was burned for a long time. Some had been put in the ground so, PCB hadn't been used for a long time. Why would they say PCB when Monsanto and other chemicals also contaminated the streams also here? People couldn't sell the produce because of the contamination.

Now Monsanto contaminated our river with their chemicals. They did it, they set up a dummy corporation, only someone knew about it and reported it.
Sorry I got a headache

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May we come though it victorious!
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