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User ID: 24262777 United States 12/28/2020 10:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What my grandfather and his family did in 1918 to escape the pandemic that was killing hundreds in Florence, Alabama. My Welsh family sailed to Philadelphia as part of William Penn's English Royal land grant that later became known as Pennsylvania. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71883211 He came as an indentured farm worker. After working off his indentured service(several years), he was given free land down in South Carolina if he agreed to harvest "Naval Stores" for the Penn Plantation Colony up north. All wooden sailing ships used to need to be caulked with cotton and pine tar pitch to seal the ship hulls. He and many others would harvest pine tar from Yellow Pines in SC by cutting deep channels in the pine trees to collect the pine sap. That pine sap was then turned into pitch or pine tar and also distilled into turpentine. It took him and his family several years to earn the title to the land in SC. An ancestor of mine was also a Welsh Friend who settled in Pennsylvania in the Welsh Tract. Also supposedly the family had some land in the Carolinas. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 71883211 United States 12/28/2020 10:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What my grandfather and his family did in 1918 to escape the pandemic that was killing hundreds in Florence, Alabama. Many, many Irish immigrants fought for both the North and the South during the Civil War for many reasons. Many had no jobs or hope of ever getting any land of their own. Some fought just because they loved their new adopted country. And some fought hoping that land grants or pensions would be given to war veterans. And to be honest, some fought just because they liked a good fight! *grin* Here is why my Irish ancestors fought for the Southern Confederacy: |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 20707354 United States 12/28/2020 10:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What my grandfather and his family did in 1918 to escape the pandemic that was killing hundreds in Florence, Alabama. People think that they have things so rough today. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71883211 They have lost all knowledge of what real hardship used to be. In 20 years when kids ask about the 2020 toilet paper shortage, I'm telling them we had to drag our butts across the lawn. In the snow. Uphill. Both ways. Dodging murder hornets. |
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User ID: 77903940 United States 12/28/2020 10:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What my grandfather and his family did in 1918 to escape the pandemic that was killing hundreds in Florence, Alabama. People think that they have things so rough today. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71883211 They have lost all knowledge of what real hardship used to be. The US is full of pussies! So is china....India told us....... All for one, and one for all. E2=AN "Never, ever die kneeling". Kilroy Are you a Good Soul or a Bad Soul? Remember..we are all born into this world an animal...and then taught to be human. The kind of human is the important part. race color creed should have nothing to do with it. Kilroy |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 71883211 United States 12/28/2020 11:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What my grandfather and his family did in 1918 to escape the pandemic that was killing hundreds in Florence, Alabama. My Welsh family sailed to Philadelphia as part of William Penn's English Royal land grant that later became known as Pennsylvania. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71883211 He came as an indentured farm worker. After working off his indentured service(several years), he was given free land down in South Carolina if he agreed to harvest "Naval Stores" for the Penn Plantation Colony up north. All wooden sailing ships used to need to be caulked with cotton and pine tar pitch to seal the ship hulls. He and many others would harvest pine tar from Yellow Pines in SC by cutting deep channels in the pine trees to collect the pine sap. That pine sap was then turned into pitch or pine tar and also distilled into turpentine. It took him and his family several years to earn the title to the land in SC. An ancestor of mine was also a Welsh Friend who settled in Pennsylvania in the Welsh Tract. Also supposedly the family had some land in the Carolinas. Most people aren't aware that the famous black orator Frederick Douglas bought his freedom from slavery by being one of those trades that caulked sailing ships with cotton and pine tar to make the ship water tight. Between the ship planks, they would pound in a cord of cotton soaked in pine tar and then cover it afterwards to seal the hull and then paint it. Pine tar and turpentine were both critical to early life back then before oil replaced then. |
Kilroywashere
User ID: 77903940 United States 12/28/2020 11:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What my grandfather and his family did in 1918 to escape the pandemic that was killing hundreds in Florence, Alabama. People think that they have things so rough today. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71883211 They have lost all knowledge of what real hardship used to be. The US is full of pussies! So is china.......India told us... All for one, and one for all. E2=AN "Never, ever die kneeling". Kilroy Are you a Good Soul or a Bad Soul? Remember..we are all born into this world an animal...and then taught to be human. The kind of human is the important part. race color creed should have nothing to do with it. Kilroy |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 46990808 United States 12/28/2020 11:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What my grandfather and his family did in 1918 to escape the pandemic that was killing hundreds in Florence, Alabama. Strange that asprin was used then and use today for Covid19 clot prevention...maybe the Spanish flu is the covid19 that escaped the labs which enhanced it. Let me smell my butthole! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79508218 United States 12/28/2020 11:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What my grandfather and his family did in 1918 to escape the pandemic that was killing hundreds in Florence, Alabama. People think that they have things so rough today. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71883211 They have lost all knowledge of what real hardship used to be. [link to www.woodslawyers.com (secure)] Asselin’s gaze shifts from Alabama to Vietnam where, during the long war against the Viet Cong, US troops sprayed 123m gallons of Agent Orange over huge swathes of the country between 1965 and 1971. Asselin cites evidence that about 10% of South Vietnam was contaminated and that between 2.1 and 4.8 million Vietnamese were directly exposed [link to www.buzzfeednews.com (secure)] In 2002, the people of Anniston suddenly learned from a 60 Minutes investigation that theirs was one of the most toxic cities in the nation. PCBs are widely disseminated in industry products, so widely in fact, that the average American has PCB blood levels of 2 parts per billion (ppb). But the mostly black victims of Anniston suffered huge exposures. Howard Frumkin, M.D., told me, “Anniston has the highest levels of PCB exposure of any town in America, of any town that I’ve ever heard of.” Fort McClellan was an Army installation in Alabama that opened in 1917. Some members of the U.S. Army Chemical Corp School, Army Combat Development Command Chemical/Biological/Radiological Agency, Army Military Police School and Women's Army Corps, among others, may have been exposed to one or more of several hazardous materials, likely at low levels, during their service at Fort McClellan. Potential exposures could have included, but are not limited to, the following: [link to www.publichealth.va.gov (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79775771 United States 12/28/2020 11:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What my grandfather and his family did in 1918 to escape the pandemic that was killing hundreds in Florence, Alabama. People think that they have things so rough today. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71883211 They have lost all knowledge of what real hardship used to be. In 20 years when kids ask about the 2020 toilet paper shortage, I'm telling them we had to drag our butts across the lawn. In the snow. Uphill. Both ways. Dodging murder hornets. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 71883211 United States 12/28/2020 11:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What my grandfather and his family did in 1918 to escape the pandemic that was killing hundreds in Florence, Alabama. My Welsh family sailed to Philadelphia as part of William Penn's English Royal land grant that later became known as Pennsylvania. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71883211 He came as an indentured farm worker. After working off his indentured service(several years), he was given free land down in South Carolina if he agreed to harvest "Naval Stores" for the Penn Plantation Colony up north. All wooden sailing ships used to need to be caulked with cotton and pine tar pitch to seal the ship hulls. He and many others would harvest pine tar from Yellow Pines in SC by cutting deep channels in the pine trees to collect the pine sap. That pine sap was then turned into pitch or pine tar and also distilled into turpentine. It took him and his family several years to earn the title to the land in SC. An ancestor of mine was also a Welsh Friend who settled in Pennsylvania in the Welsh Tract. Also supposedly the family had some land in the Carolinas. Yes! How many people even know today that the word "Protestant" comes from the PROTEST of the Catholic Church. Those Protestants had many different names like Lutherans from Martin Luther, Mennonites, Anabaptists, Amish, Shakers and many others. They came to America because of the abuse and torture they received in their homelands. |
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User ID: 73265267 United States 12/28/2020 11:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What my grandfather and his family did in 1918 to escape the pandemic that was killing hundreds in Florence, Alabama. My mother was a tough, loud, outspoken, proud, loving woman. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71883211 Her life was not easy raising 3 kids alone, but she was always too proud to give up or to take welfare. Those people and the way that they lived is completely lost today. We lose SO much when previous generations die out. The most precious things are the simple things in life, always present in the simplest of minds. |
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User ID: 79628285 United States 12/28/2020 11:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What my grandfather and his family did in 1918 to escape the pandemic that was killing hundreds in Florence, Alabama. Aspirin overdose was the major killer during the spanish flu epidemic. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79789227 This is what they say. Aspirin was new and people took too much not realizing correct dosage. You can die from the side effect of bleeding ulcers from taking too much aspirin. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72594274 United States 12/28/2020 11:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What my grandfather and his family did in 1918 to escape the pandemic that was killing hundreds in Florence, Alabama. In 1918 the "Spanish" Flu was ravaging Alabama very badly. They were worried about the children dying from the pandemic. So, he decided to take his whole family including his wife and four kids from Florence, Alabama to Wichita Falls, Texas in a covered wagon pulled by a pair mules. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71883211 My mother, before she died still remembered riding in the wagon, since she was the smallest child, while the older kids walked. My grandfather was a machinist by trade and later moved on to Port Arthur, TX during the oil boom of the 1920s. In 1918 all my male relatives were in europe fighting a world war. Odd that yours weren't. :war: |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 71883211 United States 12/28/2020 11:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What my grandfather and his family did in 1918 to escape the pandemic that was killing hundreds in Florence, Alabama. Many Irish and Welsh fought for the Union also. But NEVER in my family! But still, Lord help them, those people do love to fight! Again, they fought for many reasons, but mostly they were loyal to the country that took them in. You really need to listen to this old song written during the Civil War. |
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User ID: 78729715 United States 12/28/2020 11:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What my grandfather and his family did in 1918 to escape the pandemic that was killing hundreds in Florence, Alabama. My mother was a tough, loud, outspoken, proud, loving woman. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71883211 Her life was not easy raising 3 kids alone, but she was always too proud to give up or to take welfare. Those people and the way that they lived is completely lost today. We lose SO much when previous generations die out. Never be too proud for welfare. Your kids will suffer nutritional deficits and hunger, while immigrants grift the taxes you paid. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72364422 United States 12/28/2020 11:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What my grandfather and his family did in 1918 to escape the pandemic that was killing hundreds in Florence, Alabama. In 1918 the "Spanish" Flu was ravaging Alabama very badly. They were worried about the children dying from the pandemic. So, he decided to take his whole family including his wife and four kids from Florence, Alabama to Wichita Falls, Texas in a covered wagon pulled by a pair mules. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71883211 My mother, before she died still remembered riding in the wagon, since she was the smallest child, while the older kids walked. My grandfather was a machinist by trade and later moved on to Port Arthur, TX during the oil boom of the 1920s. In 1918 all my male relatives were in europe fighting a world war. Odd that yours weren't. :war: No it isn’t odd. He mentions a grandfather, who would probably be too old. A father who could be in his late thirty’s or forty’s since OP mentions four kids. He may not have been 1-A. He was a sole supporter of four children. So what relatives are remiss? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79768924 United States 12/28/2020 11:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What my grandfather and his family did in 1918 to escape the pandemic that was killing hundreds in Florence, Alabama. Alabama was hit very hard by the pandemic of 1917-1918. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71883211 In the old cemetery in downtown Birmingham, AL there is a large mass grave with a statue of those that died due to the "Spanish" Flu in 1918. It is in a bad part of town now and very few even know that it exists today. Why is the murder rate so high in Birmingham now? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 71883211 United States 12/28/2020 11:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What my grandfather and his family did in 1918 to escape the pandemic that was killing hundreds in Florence, Alabama. In 1918 the "Spanish" Flu was ravaging Alabama very badly. They were worried about the children dying from the pandemic. So, he decided to take his whole family including his wife and four kids from Florence, Alabama to Wichita Falls, Texas in a covered wagon pulled by a pair mules. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71883211 My mother, before she died still remembered riding in the wagon, since she was the smallest child, while the older kids walked. My grandfather was a machinist by trade and later moved on to Port Arthur, TX during the oil boom of the 1920s. In 1918 all my male relatives were in europe fighting a world war. Odd that yours weren't. :war: My grandfather was 34 years old in 1918. Too old for early call up. Most older men married with kids and supporting a family were not drafted. At least not initially. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 71883211 United States 12/28/2020 11:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What my grandfather and his family did in 1918 to escape the pandemic that was killing hundreds in Florence, Alabama. Alabama was hit very hard by the pandemic of 1917-1918. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71883211 In the old cemetery in downtown Birmingham, AL there is a large mass grave with a statue of those that died due to the "Spanish" Flu in 1918. It is in a bad part of town now and very few even know that it exists today. Why is the murder rate so high in Birmingham now? No hope. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 71883211 United States 12/28/2020 11:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What my grandfather and his family did in 1918 to escape the pandemic that was killing hundreds in Florence, Alabama. My mother was a tough, loud, outspoken, proud, loving woman. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71883211 Her life was not easy raising 3 kids alone, but she was always too proud to give up or to take welfare. Those people and the way that they lived is completely lost today. We lose SO much when previous generations die out. Never be too proud for welfare. Your kids will suffer nutritional deficits and hunger, while immigrants grift the taxes you paid. Sometimes there are more important things than food. Like your dignity, that few people have today. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 12965513 United States 12/28/2020 11:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What my grandfather and his family did in 1918 to escape the pandemic that was killing hundreds in Florence, Alabama. not to shit on your parade but people in my family did the exact same thing but this is apples to oranges regardless my generation has witnessed the .com crash the housing collapse (let's not forget about Enron and Madoff scandals) several years of president who increased surveillance and wars terrorism covd19 and much more so please, do tell us younger folks just how good we have it |
Agent 99
User ID: 77082640 United States 12/28/2020 11:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What my grandfather and his family did in 1918 to escape the pandemic that was killing hundreds in Florence, Alabama. People think that they have things so rough today. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71883211 They have lost all knowledge of what real hardship used to be. In 20 years when kids ask about the 2020 toilet paper shortage, I'm telling them we had to drag our butts across the lawn. In the snow. Uphill. Both ways. Dodging murder hornets. While being chased by a nurse with a vaccine needle. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72364422 United States 12/28/2020 11:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What my grandfather and his family did in 1918 to escape the pandemic that was killing hundreds in Florence, Alabama. My Welsh family sailed to Philadelphia as part of William Penn's English Royal land grant that later became known as Pennsylvania. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71883211 He came as an indentured farm worker. After working off his indentured service(several years), he was given free land down in South Carolina if he agreed to harvest "Naval Stores" for the Penn Plantation Colony up north. All wooden sailing ships used to need to be caulked with cotton and pine tar pitch to seal the ship hulls. He and many others would harvest pine tar from Yellow Pines in SC by cutting deep channels in the pine trees to collect the pine sap. That pine sap was then turned into pitch or pine tar and also distilled into turpentine. It took him and his family several years to earn the title to the land in SC. An ancestor of mine was also a Welsh Friend who settled in Pennsylvania in the Welsh Tract. Also supposedly the family had some land in the Carolinas. Most people aren't aware that the famous black orator Frederick Douglas bought his freedom from slavery by being one of those trades that caulked sailing ships with cotton and pine tar to make the ship water tight. Between the ship planks, they would pound in a cord of cotton soaked in pine tar and then cover it afterwards to seal the hull and then paint it. Pine tar and turpentine were both critical to early life back then before oil replaced then. This is so interesting....thank you. Both sets of great grandparents came here from Ireland... Westmeath and Kerry. (Listowel) during the tail end of the famine years. Get to America or die back then. Love your family history. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79076729 12/28/2020 11:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What my grandfather and his family did in 1918 to escape the pandemic that was killing hundreds in Florence, Alabama. In 1918 the "Spanish" Flu was ravaging Alabama very badly. They were worried about the children dying from the pandemic. So, he decided to take his whole family including his wife and four kids from Florence, Alabama to Wichita Falls, Texas in a covered wagon pulled by a pair mules. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71883211 My mother, before she died still remembered riding in the wagon, since she was the smallest child, while the older kids walked. My grandfather was a machinist by trade and later moved on to Port Arthur, TX during the oil boom of the 1920s. And here you are living through another horrible pandemic..I do not envy the parents with small children today.. Stay safe |
Agent 99
User ID: 77082640 United States 12/28/2020 11:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What my grandfather and his family did in 1918 to escape the pandemic that was killing hundreds in Florence, Alabama. Many Irish and Welsh fought for the Union also. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71883211 But NEVER in my family! But still, Lord help them, those people do love to fight! Again, they fought for many reasons, but mostly they were loyal to the country that took them in. You really need to listen to this old song written during the Civil War. This will happen again soon. The 40 million immigrants will fight for the US. Trump made a point when he accepted the nomination to swear in 4 new citizens and repeat the Oath that says they will join the US military when called. Brilliant. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72364422 United States 12/28/2020 11:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: What my grandfather and his family did in 1918 to escape the pandemic that was killing hundreds in Florence, Alabama. not to shit on your parade but people in my family did the exact same thing but this is apples to oranges regardless Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12965513 my generation has witnessed the .com crash the housing collapse (let's not forget about Enron and Madoff scandals) several years of president who increased surveillance and wars terrorism covd19 and much more so please, do tell us younger folks just how good we have it Lol...are you being funny? Seriously? Nah...this has to be sarcasm, if so, funny. |