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Notes from an "alternate universe": The Revelation of the Real World

 
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Going forward, I'm restructuring my interaction here to be in two week intervals. Two weeks where I interact via posting as comes up, two weeks where I do not (will still lurk during these times, but not respond)

Two weeks of posting-ability starts in roughly 5 days, may be sooner depending on variables.

Just posting this info here to be able to update easier if this restructure yields any changes :)
 Quoting: Sabai 80635221


It was sooner, turns out :) though I still have to tweak other interactions.

So I've found out about miswak, a tooth-cleaning stick from the Salvadora persica tree. However, it appears that it contains insoluble fluoride. I'm not chemistry-inclined, but is this the same that's found in toothpaste that makes it "bad" or is it like calcium where naturally-occurring is fine but the added stuff is there for reasons other than health
 Quoting: Sabai 79810496

It just means that two it has fluorine atoms per molecule, but it also means it has more heavy metals that damage the brain, among other things.

The fluoride in the water is untreated industrial waste from producing things like aluminium and fertiliser. Using waste makes it much cheaper for municipal governments to add it to the water supply. (It also makes it cheaper for the industries that produce it to get rid of it, as doing so is prohibitively expensive.) The fluoride in toothpaste is treated, so its somewhat better than ingesting the water used while brushing teeth.

An Ohio State University foundation wrote something about how government and industry turned it into something 'useful' here: [link to origins.osu.edu (secure)]
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So, when you learn to lucid dream, to dream consciously, would that have an effect on how one controls one’s wakibg life as well?

Having less tech feels lighter already.
But there is more that has to go.
Like my vintage computer collection.
And my electrical guitar collection. I still feel like I have too much stuff.
 Quoting: Tuuur 70235995

One is all ways conscious in dreams but sometimes our memory or experience of them relates more with the world that we know in our 'waking' life. These we call lucid.

Without 'translating' the experience into something that the brain that is thinking about it knows well, we would have no memory of the experience.

When one thinks one is 'dreaming' about something, it's just the translation of something else that the brain cannot think of more directly.

Having less tech feels lighter already.
 Quoting: Tuuur 70235995

The body is becoming less complex, as the external body includes the advanced technology that we interact with (such as computing devices).

But there is more that has to go.
Like my vintage computer collection.
And my electrical guitar collection. I still feel like I have too much stuff.
 Quoting: Tuuur 70235995

Time for a garage sale? May I make lemonade?
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I am still amazed by the stolen history.
Like, why were so many enormous orphanages needed?

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 Quoting: Tuuur 70235995

To change the genetics of certain countries faster.

Regions whose populations became 'white' sooner (such as Ireland and England) exported babies and children to regions whose populations were still going through the most dramatic changes.

It was the real 'dark ages', and we are still there.
 Quoting: The Builder


I feel that way too. Dark ages masked by technical brilliance.

I also feel sad about how many parents must have lost their kids this way.
I can think of two causes: either they were part of the conquered old world, maybe even killed. Or they were complicit, made to believe this was the way to get forward.
 Quoting: Tuuur 70235995

Those who wanted to retain their Old World values generally did not use beauty products with the toxins inside. It was an unnecessary technology. Those who wanted to participate in the 'Enlightenment' of technology and industry and new ways of thinking did, some much more than others.

It would have been easy for most to choose to give up 'old' traditions and values, as it seemed like the right thing to do at the time. Media was also very convincing about it and helped to shape public opinion and, thus, governmental policies.

Nearly all of this is documented. People did not use the same terms that I use here, of course, but every single 'revolution' or supposed war from 1500-1950 was about the same thing.

Whatever narrative the Cult produces for the explanation of many hundreds of thousands of orphans being shipped to Australia and America for 100+ years until about 1972 -- and why their parents gave them up -- is easily accepted because people subconsciously know what happened.

For most, like the millions of Chinese emigrating to places like Ghana and Kenya -- and the Southern US states -- were economic migrants.

Confusing identity and making regions less homogeneous helps the world to forget what happened. We are the Culture of Satan.

Giving it serious consideration would bring too much into question, including nearly all of the choices we make today.
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what exactly is luck / good fortune , ebbs and flows of life and how exactly does one find the leverage to be above the crashing crushing waves of lifes journey ?

hmm
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Going forward, I'm restructuring my interaction here to be in two week intervals. Two weeks where I interact via posting as comes up, two weeks where I do not (will still lurk during these times, but not respond)

Two weeks of posting-ability starts in roughly 5 days, may be sooner depending on variables.

Just posting this info here to be able to update easier if this restructure yields any changes :)
 Quoting: Sabai 80635221


It was sooner, turns out :) though I still have to tweak other interactions.

So I've found out about miswak, a tooth-cleaning stick from the Salvadora persica tree. However, it appears that it contains insoluble fluoride. I'm not chemistry-inclined, but is this the same that's found in toothpaste that makes it "bad" or is it like calcium where naturally-occurring is fine but the added stuff is there for reasons other than health
 Quoting: Sabai 79810496

It just means that two it has fluorine atoms per molecule, but it also means it has more heavy metals that damage the brain, among other things.

The fluoride in the water is untreated industrial waste from producing things like aluminium and fertiliser. Using waste makes it much cheaper for municipal governments to add it to the water supply. (It also makes it cheaper for the industries that produce it to get rid of it, as doing so is prohibitively expensive.) The fluoride in toothpaste is treated, so its somewhat better than ingesting the water used while brushing teeth.

An Ohio State University foundation wrote something about how government and industry turned it into something 'useful' here: [link to origins.osu.edu (secure)]
 Quoting: The Builder


so miswak thumbs up or thumbs down?

The article was very informative, thank you.
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what exactly is luck / good fortune , ebbs and flows of life and how exactly does one find the leverage to be above the crashing crushing waves of lifes journey ?

hmm
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Can you give an example of luck, from your perspective?
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so miswak thumbs up or thumbs down?

The article was very informative, thank you.
 Quoting: Sabai 58772605

Be at peace with your surroundings and you will know if it hurts or help your intention.

Make sure that your other choices reflect your intention, however, to send the right message to your Self.

If it is harmful to your intention then it will 'disappear' from your perspective in some way.
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Those who wanted to retain their Old World values generally did not use beauty products with the toxins inside. It was an unnecessary technology. Those who wanted to participate in the 'Enlightenment' of technology and industry and new ways of thinking did, some much more than others.

It would have been easy for most to choose to give up 'old' traditions and values, as it seemed like the right thing to do at the time. Media was also very convincing about it and helped to shape public opinion and, thus, governmental policies.

Nearly all of this is documented. People did not use the same terms that I use here, of course, but every single 'revolution' or supposed war from 1500-1950 was about the same thing.
 Quoting: The Builder


What changed after 1950? What were these later wars / revolutions about? Did this have something to do with the rise of the television?


Confusing identity and making regions less homogeneous helps the world to forget what happened. We are the Culture of Satan.

Giving it serious consideration would bring too much into question, including nearly all of the choices we make today.
 Quoting: The Builder


Isn’t the damage already done for the most part though? What percentage of the world has been untouched by this ‘confusion of identity’? The Great Forgetting seems almost complete.

I think of Japan. They have maintained their customs and culture to a large degree but now they are having a crisis of birth rate. How would you go about remedying that all the while ‘keeping it in the family’, homogenous?

If we are the embodiment of the Culture of Satan what does the Culture of Christ look like? Does it exist anywhere on earth right now?
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Those who wanted to retain their Old World values generally did not use beauty products with the toxins inside. It was an unnecessary technology. Those who wanted to participate in the 'Enlightenment' of technology and industry and new ways of thinking did, some much more than others.

It would have been easy for most to choose to give up 'old' traditions and values, as it seemed like the right thing to do at the time. Media was also very convincing about it and helped to shape public opinion and, thus, governmental policies.

Nearly all of this is documented. People did not use the same terms that I use here, of course, but every single 'revolution' or supposed war from 1500-1950 was about the same thing.
 Quoting: The Builder


What changed after 1950? What were these later wars / revolutions about? Did this have something to do with the rise of the television?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

After the so-called World War II, the new narrative won over the population.

All major wars and conflicts up until that point were against Old World infrastructure, buildings and architecture, and everyday people who had the 'wrong' ideals. (The most widely-known example of this is the bombing of innocent German men, women, and children after World War II, the 'Dresden bombing' of 100,000+ civilians by 'allies').

Having accepted the narrative of the New World, staged conflicts began to be more about geopolitical propaganda targeted at the minds of the respective populations (i.e. not country-against-country like we would want to believe). This effort is more obvious today as information warfare, but it has been going on a very long time, becoming more sophisticated over time.

I would guess that more sophisticated kinds of media-enabled manipulation made it easier for the public to accept the propaganda. Now our friends and family are happy to share the latest propaganda with us and go around in circles discussing it.


Confusing identity and making regions less homogeneous helps the world to forget what happened. We are the Culture of Satan.

Giving it serious consideration would bring too much into question, including nearly all of the choices we make today.
 Quoting: The Builder


Isn’t the damage already done for the most part though?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

Hardly. Most of us still have a sense of Self, though throughout the last 100 years or so it would seem that too many of us have lost (through the systems we choose to make use of) our 'inner voice' that allows us to self-regulate and have a more intimate relationship with the self.

What percentage of the world has been untouched by this ‘confusion of identity’?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

I would think it's close to 0%, with all populations participating in the technology and industry game including the aboriginal populations of various regions.

Many of them believe in the propaganda, forgetting that they were re-educated way back when. Re-education programs where children were kidnapped from their parents happened all over the world until relatively recently. With government propaganda classes made mandatory, kidnapping is no longer necessary.

The Great Forgetting seems almost complete.
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

People know, but they don't want to give it any consideration. It's just a temporary ignorance that will pass, given enough time.

I think of Japan. They have maintained their customs and culture to a large degree
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

Somewhat, but not as much as one might think. A lot of their 'ancient traditions' came about during the late-19th century. Some of the Old World culture is still there, but in a different form.

but now they are having a crisis of birth rate.
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

There is no such crisis. It is normal (and healthy) for a territory's birthrate to fluctuate. More development means greater volatility. Any 'developed' country would be experiencing the same if they didn't skew their numbers with immigrants.

Japan experienced a tremendous amount of growth and change after its 'Enlightenment', with a tremendously high birth-rate that could not be sustained.

But today, about 2% of Japan's population is foreign-born. Compare that with Mexico at about 1%.

What the media really means to say is that they are pushing for Japan to have more African immigrants, thus destroying Japanese culture and history. Along with that, external forces are pushing for more abortions, recreational drug use, less healthy foods, et c. (Though much of it is unlabelled toxic garbage.)

Japanese generally prefer immigrants from Korea and China, if any immigrants are to be had.

How would you go about remedying that all the while ‘keeping it in the family’, homogenous?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

No remedy is needed, as there is nothing wrong with it.

The problems are in how society is structured.

If we are the embodiment of the Culture of Satan what does the Culture of Christ look like? Does it exist anywhere on earth right now?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

No comment on that one :)

That is up to us.
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so miswak thumbs up or thumbs down?

The article was very informative, thank you.
 Quoting: Sabai 58772605

Be at peace with your surroundings and you will know if it hurts or help your intention.

Make sure that your other choices reflect your intention, however, to send the right message to your Self.

If it is harmful to your intention then it will 'disappear' from your perspective in some way.
 Quoting: The Builder


I need to remember this more often.
Sometimes I make choices that I know perfectly well are 'wrong', but somehow I trick myself into believing I 'need' of 'want' it at the time.
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This made me think about the communities Chaol/Builder proposed in one of his now defunct sites.

"Beauty does matter"

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To act to achieve usefulness, and having achieved the desired, look for new directions for action. And so from moment to moment. Applying energy to create something productive out of abstract things, we create waves of ripples on the space-time continuum, which, like the smooth surface of water, eventually tends to its equilibrium state. Exist for the sake of existence. As Socrates said in that film: maybe you haven't woken up yet... Stay in a dream all your life... And what a border exists between being awake and sleeping. That state when we are already sleeping, but not yet dreaming?
 Quoting: Razvitiye

Yes, but what is achieved or produced is irrelevant.

It's busy-work to serve the purpose of the sense of an existence that is not actually there.

Those that do not take control of their reality through action invite communism (the game of the anti-Self).
 Quoting: The Builder


Who is this anti-Self, if there is only one actor playing all the roles? Am I inviting myself into a world of pain and suffering?
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That would be like saying that all the 85% do is murder each other all their lives.

A great percentage of the 15% is of the poor and middle-classes. I would even say that about half are working class, though they are generally lazy when it comes to physical labour. The 85% are more willing to fulfil their 'action' requirement (for their exist-sense) with some form of physical labour, such as work, over-eating, exercise, et c. The 15% are more about making physical things happen.

A waste of energy is a waste of something that does not really exist. Of course, the 15% will tell people to 'save energy' and such (and 'save the Earth' to the detriment of humanity), as a distraction from the nature of a reality that they feel quite uncomfortable to see.

In society, however, the poor need the wealthy far more than the reverse. There are plenty of wealthy people who would be happy to clean toilets for $1,500 an hour, but very few poor who would know how to be productive and keep the economy going (putting people to productive work, keeping billions housed and fed, and so on). It is easy for us to look to the productive and manipulative population as the source of society's ills rather than the lack of will and real productivity of the masses to do anything significant about their own situation.

About 15-30% of the masses will be rich at some point of their lives. A very tiny percentage that have "33-bedroom palaces" is far, far outweighed by the masses choosing smartphones that are much more of this imaginary waste of energy, many of whom cannot really afford them.

Outside of this game of society, however, it is all one perspective.
 Quoting: The Builder


Taking responsibility for creating a new element that will lead to the transformation of society is a task really beyond the power of someone who is obsessed with the needs of survival. If 8 hours a day are spent on sleep, 8 sas on slavery for cut paper or numbers on a plastic card chip, then it is difficult to improve the world in the remaining time. As Jacque Fresco said: we have all the earthly resources to build a society of abundance, but no money.

However, all this is a game with oneself ...
 Quoting: Razvitiye

No perspective is beyond anyone's power.

All perspectives are free to choose from, though some are more relevant than others (but any can be made moreso through action).
 Quoting: The Builder


...or inaction
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What changed after 1950? What were these later wars / revolutions about? Did this have something to do with the rise of the television?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

After the so-called World War II, the new narrative won over the population.

All major wars and conflicts up until that point were against Old World infrastructure, buildings and architecture, and everyday people who had the 'wrong' ideals. (The most widely-known example of this is the bombing of innocent German men, women, and children after World War II, the 'Dresden bombing' of 100,000+ civilians by 'allies').

Having accepted the narrative of the New World, staged conflicts began to be more about geopolitical propaganda targeted at the minds of the respective populations (i.e. not country-against-country like we would want to believe). This effort is more obvious today as information warfare, but it has been going on a very long time, becoming more sophisticated over time.

I would guess that more sophisticated kinds of media-enabled manipulation made it easier for the public to accept the propaganda. Now our friends and family are happy to share the latest propaganda with us and go around in circles discussing it.
 Quoting: The Builder


I’m reminded of the documentary Hellstorm. It’s an accounting of the end of WWII from the perspective of the German people including Dresden. I watched it years ago. It was tough to sit through but very eye opening and a good lesson on “History is written by the victors”. Definitely not in the history books I was taught from. Here’s a link if anyone is interested:




The Great Forgetting seems almost complete.
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

People know, but they don't want to give it any consideration. It's just a temporary ignorance that will pass, given enough time.
 Quoting: The Builder

Like this lifetime? Or generations from now?

but now they are having a crisis of birth rate.
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

There is no such crisis. It is normal (and healthy) for a territory's birthrate to fluctuate. More development means greater volatility. Any 'developed' country would be experiencing the same if they didn't skew their numbers with immigrants.

Japan experienced a tremendous amount of growth and change after its 'Enlightenment', with a tremendously high birth-rate that could not be sustained.

But today, about 2% of Japan's population is foreign-born. Compare that with Mexico at about 1%.

What the media really means to say is that they are pushing for Japan to have more African immigrants, thus destroying Japanese culture and history. Along with that, external forces are pushing for more abortions, recreational drug use, less healthy foods, et c. (Though much of it is unlabelled toxic garbage.)

Japanese generally prefer immigrants from Korea and China, if any immigrants are to be had.
 Quoting: The Builder

What percentage of America is foreign-born? What are they doing to America with the open borders and massive influx of migrants? From everywhere but mostly Latino.

Does it matter that America is a relatively young country?

Pushing for more abortions, immigrants, recreational drug use, and crap food is America today - where is the hope for us? The remembering, the return?

I mean, you left for a good reason I’m sure.

How would you go about remedying that all the while ‘keeping it in the family’, homogenous?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

No remedy is needed, as there is nothing wrong with it.

The problems are in how society is structured.
 Quoting: The Builder


I think what I’m getting at is here in America, aka the melting pot, what does homogenous even mean? Is it even a state that we could know?

If we are the embodiment of the Culture of Satan what does the Culture of Christ look like? Does it exist anywhere on earth right now?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

No comment on that one :)

That is up to us.
 Quoting: The Builder


This is the one I was most hoping for a comment on :(
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so miswak thumbs up or thumbs down?

The article was very informative, thank you.
 Quoting: Sabai 58772605

Be at peace with your surroundings and you will know if it hurts or help your intention.

Make sure that your other choices reflect your intention, however, to send the right message to your Self.

If it is harmful to your intention then it will 'disappear' from your perspective in some way.
 Quoting: The Builder


I need to remember this more often.
Sometimes I make choices that I know perfectly well are 'wrong', but somehow I trick myself into believing I 'need' of 'want' it at the time.
 Quoting: Tuuur 70235995

In the grand scheme of things, that choice that you know is 'wrong' is the best choice.

But that 'lesson' is for an other time :)
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This made me think about the communities Chaol/Builder proposed in one of his now defunct sites.

"Beauty does matter"

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 Quoting: Tuuur 70235995

The loss of our 'soul' is very apparent in our modern architecture and function of structures.

This is only evidence in Europe and parts of Asia (as nearly all of the structures in the Americas have been destroyed).

Yet, we think modern civilisation is far more advanced.
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Many of these buildings act as programs for light, sound, and (sometimes) other energies.

The most obvious example would be a stained glass window, but even this function of converting the Sun's light into a specific wavelength of energy to the ground (or water) space below is not considered.

And yet we think a window that blocks out 90% of the Sun's UV radiation would be far more advanced.

Just one of many thousands of ways we have diminished the connection to our own reality.
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To act to achieve usefulness, and having achieved the desired, look for new directions for action. And so from moment to moment. Applying energy to create something productive out of abstract things, we create waves of ripples on the space-time continuum, which, like the smooth surface of water, eventually tends to its equilibrium state. Exist for the sake of existence. As Socrates said in that film: maybe you haven't woken up yet... Stay in a dream all your life... And what a border exists between being awake and sleeping. That state when we are already sleeping, but not yet dreaming?
 Quoting: Razvitiye

Yes, but what is achieved or produced is irrelevant.

It's busy-work to serve the purpose of the sense of an existence that is not actually there.

Those that do not take control of their reality through action invite communism (the game of the anti-Self).
 Quoting: The Builder


Who is this anti-Self, if there is only one actor playing all the roles? Am I inviting myself into a world of pain and suffering?
 Quoting: Razvitiye

One actor that must forget that there is only one in order that it may sense an existence.

Without contrast, there is nothing to be perceived.

The 'anti-Self' is necessary. The form it takes is up to you.

There is no 'world of pain and suffering' outside of your interpretation of it. You choose how to interpret reality. The question then becomes, "why do I want to interpret myself this way?"
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The Great Forgetting seems almost complete.
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

People know, but they don't want to give it any consideration. It's just a temporary ignorance that will pass, given enough time.
 Quoting: The Builder

Like this lifetime? Or generations from now?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

Even a small change would make a tremendous difference.

This change would not come about in the expected ways, of course.

There is a shift in momentum now. It is headed in a more self-centered direction in a few years :) We are beginning to understand that our Self includes everything in our perspective.

We will not know what is happening, just as we did not really notice what has happened to us over the past few hundred years.

If I was to guess I would say that humanity will be much more aware of reality in about 500 years.

But every little step makes a huge (though generally unnoticeable) difference.

but now they are having a crisis of birth rate.
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

There is no such crisis. It is normal (and healthy) for a territory's birthrate to fluctuate. More development means greater volatility. Any 'developed' country would be experiencing the same if they didn't skew their numbers with immigrants.

Japan experienced a tremendous amount of growth and change after its 'Enlightenment', with a tremendously high birth-rate that could not be sustained.

But today, about 2% of Japan's population is foreign-born. Compare that with Mexico at about 1%.

What the media really means to say is that they are pushing for Japan to have more African immigrants, thus destroying Japanese culture and history. Along with that, external forces are pushing for more abortions, recreational drug use, less healthy foods, et c. (Though much of it is unlabelled toxic garbage.)

Japanese generally prefer immigrants from Korea and China, if any immigrants are to be had.
 Quoting: The Builder

What percentage of America is foreign-born?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

About 13%, according to some statistics.

What are they doing to America with the open borders and massive influx of migrants? From everywhere but mostly Latino.
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

Communism, generally-speaking. That would include multiculturalism, erasing history and social memory, erasing identity, and producing a general state of Chaos.

But they will find, at an other level, their efforts actually work against their intentions.

Does it matter that America is a relatively young country?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

It's one of the oldest continuous civilisations, far from being one of the youngest.

The civilisation that we call "USA" is nearly 1,000 years old, with many of the same social and cultural structures in place, such as the Constitution. Most of the natives in the Americas were not killed, but changed identities over time.

However, North America (especially Mexico) and South America are the birthplace of civilisation (including language) and most of what was in the 'Holy Bible'. That many native Americans spoke Hebrew as a first language when Europeans arrived is forgotten, as it doesn't fit with the new narrative.

Things changed, over time. Ha-biru became Hebrew. Guatama-laya became Guatamala, Ha-biru became Peru, Kannada (Canaan) became Canada, and so on. Some of it, when noticed, is just referred to as 'a mystery' and forgotten:

[link to www.israel-a-history-of.com (secure)]

The biggest, as I've alluded to before, was that the Creek Indians in America before the 18th century became "Ancient Greeks", the Raman culture in America before the 18th century became "Ancient Rome", with leaders like Moctezuma II being transformed into Holy Roman Emperors in Europe.

That native American elders formed a senate and wore togas and had a Constitution that is very much like the first US Constitution? Interesting, but a "coincidence" and not to be discussed seriously.

Why does this stuff stay hidden? Because people do not want to know. Who are the main ones trying to 'wake up' the masses and give them lots of tidbits to try to remember? The Cult and what many refer to as "elites". That is why we have a long ways to go.

Pushing for more abortions, immigrants, recreational drug use, and crap food is America today - where is the hope for us? The remembering, the return?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

It is all ways there, waiting for people to choose it :)

Something can only be promoted if people allow it to be.

I mean, you left for a good reason I’m sure.
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

For my training wheels, yes.

How would you go about remedying that all the while ‘keeping it in the family’, homogenous?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

No remedy is needed, as there is nothing wrong with it.

The problems are in how society is structured.
 Quoting: The Builder


I think what I’m getting at is here in America, aka the melting pot, what does homogenous even mean? Is it even a state that we could know?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

People are conditioned to believe that prosperous homogeneous cultures are evil and unsuccessful homogeneous cultures are disadvantaged, so there's that.

There could be homogeneous cultures within an umbrella culture, such as the Confederacy of Nations in America before the 1800s, of which there were many hundreds of cultures that pretty much kept to themselves and didn't invite outsiders. Nearly every aspect of that was made evil, of course, as the New World took over. (And even the Confederate Nations spread out all over North America became the Confederate States in a small slice of it, with a made-up slavery narrative to boot.)

If we knew it before we could know it again.

Unfortunately, however, the Cult found a very technologically advanced (and fully communist) culture in South America, and decided to copy it.

How would you go about remedying that all the while ‘keeping it in the family’, homogenous?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

No remedy is needed, as there is nothing wrong with it.

The problems are in how society is structured.
 Quoting: The Builder


I think what I’m getting at is here in America, aka the melting pot, what does homogenous even mean? Is it even a state that we could know?

If we are the embodiment of the Culture of Satan what does the Culture of Christ look like? Does it exist anywhere on earth right now?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

No comment on that one :)

That is up to us.
 Quoting: The Builder


This is the one I was most hoping for a comment on :(
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

:)
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"5 Things Marx Wanted to Abolish (Besides Private Property)"

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Also, beauty, harmony, enjoyment, and "good" things.

I would add to the following segment of the video that modern building design makes our thinking more mechanical. (And when we interact with something out of human proportion -- such as tall buildings -- we produce more Chaos.)



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The article was very informative, thank you.
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Be at peace with your surroundings and you will know if it hurts or help your intention.

Make sure that your other choices reflect your intention, however, to send the right message to your Self.

If it is harmful to your intention then it will 'disappear' from your perspective in some way.
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I need to remember this more often.
Sometimes I make choices that I know perfectly well are 'wrong', but somehow I trick myself into believing I 'need' of 'want' it at the time.
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In the grand scheme of things, that choice that you know is 'wrong' is the best choice.

But that 'lesson' is for an other time :)
 Quoting: The Builder


Because one will learn more from the effects of the 'wrong' choice? Or, because one will incorporate, or even learn to accept or cherish one's 'dark side'?
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 Quoting: Tuuur 70235995

"5 Things Marx Wanted to Abolish (Besides Private Property)"

[link to fee.org (secure)]

Also, beauty, harmony, enjoyment, and "good" things.
 Quoting: The Builder


What a crazy guy, he must have been some kind of sociopath.
(Coincidentally, I discovered last week that he was related to the Dutch electric industrialist family Philips, who became most successful due to contracts with Russia.)

I would add to the following segment of the video that modern building design makes our thinking more mechanical. (And when we interact with something is out of human proportion -- such as tall buildings -- we produce more Chaos.)


 Quoting: The Builder


In my opinion, those buildings in the french town from that clip would be still too high, though prettier than elsewhere.
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Curious, what actionable advice would you give to someone that would want to live much longer?
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I would first wonder what the supposed benefit would be.
 Quoting: The Builder


Of course the first benefits that come to mind are the ones where an aspect of myself could gain some sort of advantage over other people. But with your lessons in mind, and if one starts to fully embody a way of live where one is all that they perceive, that would eventually become irrelevant.

In depth of time I would simply try to make my extended self more aware. Maybe I would become part of a category of people that set their personality aside and work for the good of the collective self. It is not the 85%, but it is also not the 15%. I would think that it is a very small part within the 15% that does what they do with full awareness and empathy, with the goal of making more people aware of their true reality.

To us, it may seem like they are part of the 15% because we hate what they are doing. But upon closer inspection, they are trying to make people more self conscious. Make more aspects aware that they are all they can perceive. I think that a purpose like this would make the sacrifice of the personality worthwhile.

So in my opinion, the benefit of living longer would be assist the collective development of mankind. In whatever form that may be.

On a sidenote, and correct me if I am wrong, Theosophy describes this small percentage of people as initiates. And it all starts from temperance and self-knowing, much like you have described in your posts over time. I won’t go into the different levels of initiations, and the gradual at-one-ment, I believe you are well aware of all that. In a way, it seems as if you are helping all us here prepare for such a path - or at least make us aware there is one. “You are all that you perceive” could very well be the most important thing I have ever learned.

If we are the embodiment of the Culture of Satan what does the Culture of Christ look like? Does it exist anywhere on earth right now?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars


Following on my point above. What if the culture of Christ is a group of people that fully understand their reality (christ consciousness) and are now working to make other humans more self conscious? What if they are doing this in ways that we seemingly don’t want in order for us to understand this by ourselves? True, detached love.

Like Chaol’s example of the person taking the bottle from the alcoholic. The person wants to help him but the alcoholic is not in a state of mind to understand this. If he becomes sober and looks back at it he will probably see it very differently.

In the grand scheme of things, that choice that you know is 'wrong' is the best choice.

But that 'lesson' is for an other time :)
 Quoting: The Builder


I think that this point is relevant to the above as well. Maybe a person who has reached that state of understanding is able to live in a certain way that brings them harmony, but chooses to do otherwise to help other aspects of themselves grow. They know they pick the wrong choice, but they also know “why” they pick this choice.

Can you give me an example of one food provided by nature directly, without human involvement?
 Quoting: The Builder


Fruit, vegetables, raw seeds and wild-caught fish. All boiled.
 Quoting: gallade17 85403251

Caught and boiled without human involvement?

Sushi is also provided by nature, for example, when you look beyond the deception of the Cult.

"Nature" is not something separate from one's perspective. The myth of a 'nature' is to distract you from the nature of your reality.

A tree is no more 'natural' than a video game device. Indeed, the device may even be more natural than the tree from one's perspective.

It's probably best not to speak of such things, however, as the conditioning is quite powerful with things like this.
 Quoting: The Builder


I am happy you discuss these things as pretty much no one else does. I do understand your point, but I think I am still very early in the process to fully grasp it. The school of thought I mentioned above also touches upon this: In the early days, applicants have to be vegetarians to discipline themselves. After a certain initiation, one knows that nature is not separate from one’s perspective, and thus “what” one eats becomes less relevant. It’s all the same anyways.

When I read about human photosynthesis and pineal gland/gold connection I get even more intrigued. I have long believed that there was a time humans did not eat, or ate much less, and that this would be the key to a longer life.

But so many questions arise… At this point, most of them are the result of curiosity or a lack of understanding. So I will refrain from asking them. I am happy to be part of this thread, and looking forward to learn more :)
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What are they doing to America with the open borders and massive influx of migrants? From everywhere but mostly Latino.
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

Communism, generally-speaking. That would include multiculturalism, erasing history and social memory, erasing identity, and producing a general state of Chaos.

But they will find, at an other level, their efforts actually work against their intentions.
 Quoting: The Builder

How so?

Does it matter that America is a relatively young country?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

It's one of the oldest continuous civilisations, far from being one of the youngest.

The civilisation that we call "USA" is nearly 1,000 years old, with many of the same social and cultural structures in place, such as the Constitution. Most of the natives in the Americas were not killed, but changed identities over time.

However, North America (especially Mexico) and South America are the birthplace of civilisation (including language) and most of what was in the 'Holy Bible'. That many native Americans spoke Hebrew as a first language when Europeans arrived is forgotten, as it doesn't fit with the new narrative.

Things changed, over time. Ha-biru became Hebrew. Guatama-laya became Guatamala, Ha-biru became Peru, Kannada (Canaan) became Canada, and so on. Some of it, when noticed, is just referred to as 'a mystery' and forgotten:

[link to www.israel-a-history-of.com (secure)]

The biggest, as I've alluded to before, was that the Creek Indians in America before the 18th century became "Ancient Greeks", the Raman culture in America before the 18th century became "Ancient Rome", with leaders like Moctezuma II being transformed into Holy Roman Emperors in Europe.

That native American elders formed a senate and wore togas and had a Constitution that is very much like the first US Constitution? Interesting, but a "coincidence" and not to be discussed seriously.

Why does this stuff stay hidden? Because people do not want to know. Who are the main ones trying to 'wake up' the masses and give them lots of tidbits to try to remember? The Cult and what many refer to as "elites". That is why we have a long ways to go.
 Quoting: The Builder

Thanks for the reminder. It’s so easy for me to slip back into old ways of thinking. Wrapping my mind around alternate history has challenged me. In a good way.

Another reason we should love our enemies.

Pushing for more abortions, immigrants, recreational drug use, and crap food is America today - where is the hope for us? The remembering, the return?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

It is all ways there, waiting for people to choose it :)

Something can only be promoted if people allow it to be.
 Quoting: The Builder


After reading that Marx article, my mind goes to why. Why does the average Joe promote and support these things that essentially preach the destruction of self? The family. Society essentially.

I hear you saying “it’s as simple as a choice” yet it doesn’t seem easy to make that choice. To take action on that choice. So here we are. It makes me sad for my granddaughter. What on Earth are we leaving for our sons and daughters and their sons and daughters?

I mean, you left for a good reason I’m sure.
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

For my training wheels, yes.
 Quoting: The Builder


I sense you took those off a while ago. You’re practiced now :)

How would you go about remedying that all the while ‘keeping it in the family’, homogenous?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

No remedy is needed, as there is nothing wrong with it.

The problems are in how society is structured.
 Quoting: The Builder


I think what I’m getting at is here in America, aka the melting pot, what does homogenous even mean? Is it even a state that we could know?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

People are conditioned to believe that prosperous homogeneous cultures are evil and unsuccessful homogeneous cultures are disadvantaged, so there's that.
 Quoting: The Builder

That is too true. Seriously.

There could be homogeneous cultures within an umbrella culture, such as the Confederacy of Nations in America before the 1800s, of which there were many hundreds of cultures that pretty much kept to themselves and didn't invite outsiders. Nearly every aspect of that was made evil, of course, as the New World took over. (And even the Confederate Nations spread out all over North America became the Confederate States in a small slice of it, with a made-up slavery narrative to boot.)

If we knew it before we could know it again.

Unfortunately, however, the Cult found a very technologically advanced (and fully communist) culture in South America, and decided to copy it.
 Quoting: The Builder

When are you talking about - what time period? And who?
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In the grand scheme of things, that choice that you know is 'wrong' is the best choice.

But that 'lesson' is for an other time :)
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Because one will learn more from the effects of the 'wrong' choice? Or, because one will incorporate, or even learn to accept or cherish one's 'dark side'?
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Imagine that all expressions of the Self were simultaneous.

Further, that instead of endless expressions (like events, people, things, et c.) there was just one.

In order to perceive it, however, you would need to make the 'one' Self seem endless, so that you can compare and contrast.

Because there is only one expression of the Self, all 'expressions' are equally right, you could say.

There would be no 'wrong' expression, or 'wrong' path one could take. Each path that seems like shi7 is the correct path, as there is just one path.

One would learn that there is no dark side, or light. The apparent division of the Self (and dichotomy of things) is just to be able to experience a reality.

For the things that we perceive we make a logical narrative out of it. Some of us may have had a sense of this while asleep: you hear a sound around your sleeping body, and you also hear it in the dream. But in the dream, there is a logical narrative that results in the sound in both your waking reality and dream reality simultaneously. It is almost as though you, while dreaming, knew that the sound would happen moments later and you made it make sense before it actually happened.

These expressions of the Self can be interpreted in many different ways, depending on one's perspective. A 'bad' event may be a really 'good' one, given a different perspective.

So it is impossible to make either the wrong choice or right choice. It is only possible to interpret the Self as an endless variety of choices that can be interpreted any number of ways.

That is why action is important, but the action one chooses is irrelevant. (Some actions, though, may heavily influence other actions, so you could say that some are more productive or scale better than others.)

I hope this makes sense :)
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Curious, what actionable advice would you give to someone that would want to live much longer?
 Quoting: gallade17 85403251

I would first wonder what the supposed benefit would be.
 Quoting: The Builder


Of course the first benefits that come to mind are the ones where an aspect of myself could gain some sort of advantage over other people. But with your lessons in mind, and if one starts to fully embody a way of live where one is all that they perceive, that would eventually become irrelevant.

In depth of time I would simply try to make my extended self more aware.
 Quoting: gallade17 85129541

It could very well be that your extended Self is all ready very much aware and that is the reason that it plays the game so thoroughly and convincingly.

It could also be that the greatest awareness of the Self is to be a willing participant in the game, and to not try to seek awareness of the Absolute (that the Self is trying to get away from in order to gain the sense of existence).

Maybe I would become part of a category of people that set their personality aside and work for the good of the collective self.
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[emphasis mine] Would this also be an advantage over the other people in your perspective?

There is nothing inherently wrong with having an advantage over others in your perspective (after all, you are the center of your perspective, not them) but at least keep in mind that they are you, and no real advantage is had.

It is not the 85%, but it is also not the 15%. I would think that it is a very small part within the 15% that does what they do with full awareness and empathy, with the goal of making more people aware of their true reality.
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Yes, I would think a small part of either group, too.

As a whole, however, the masses push against the nature of the Self and the 15% are there to make the masses more productive in their efforts. To be more effective anti-Christs, as it were.

Human being is all ways in motion somehow, and we can choose to either head towards a greater awareness of the Self, or against it. If we chose the Self, the 15% would generally be there to support it. The profit they seek is the incentive for them to act. (Though it is easy to look at the massive profits of the 15% and forget our own massive ignorance that makes it possible.)

To us, it may seem like they are part of the 15% because we hate what they are doing. But upon closer inspection, they are trying to make people more self conscious. Make more aspects aware that they are all they can perceive. I think that a purpose like this would make the sacrifice of the personality worthwhile.
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Yes. And for me, personally, this was a very difficult point to understand. I fell into the us-versus-them mentality. I even formed an 'anti-globalisation' group with more than 100 members and was involved in some protests. (It was probably my first time seeing their infiltration of such groups up close.) But I was fortunate to have a somewhat deeper understanding because of my closer proximity to powerful people than most would have: one who became President, one presidential candidate who did not but was involved in other operations previously, living on the same floor as a powerful mayor in America, acquaintanceship with a king and queen in Asia, working directly for the chiefs of Unilever, 3 'big six' accounting firms, and 2 of the largest advertising agencies in the US, proximity to a very famous actress who has publicly claimed she is a man, and a few others. All of this experience helped me see - over time -- the game that was being played and how 'they' are simply giving the people what they want and keeping them as ignorant as they wish to be.

This is deeper than one might suspect.

For example, on one level, you could say that 'they' push for things like multi-culturalism and it is destructive to society. Yes, it is destructive to a society that wants to forget who and what they are. But... why do they push specifically for blacks and whites to co-mingle? What is the real purpose? Why is it 'everywhere'? A great percentage of the 15% population thinks that they are working to destroy society. Good for them (as they do the hard work) but there are more aware members of the 15% who know that the public would never accept that nearly EVERYONE had very dark skin just a relatively short time ago. The multi-culturalism is the logical narrative to that understanding, which I think will take quite some time.

There are many amusing related examples of this where the 15% produce movies and television shows with black (i.e., 'pale', without colour, blanc or blaek in the old tongue) playing the role of supposedly white historical figures. The masses think that they are re-imagining those persons when they are actually trying to wake them up and show them what nearly all of the destroyed works of art (paintings especially) depicted.

Now.. did the 15% destroy it? By command, yes. But why did they give this command? Because the masses chose tn embrace the Enlightenment of society and the industry and technology that came with it.

The reality would make the masses angry, because it would mean that THEY are responsible. It would also mean that everything they know about themselves, history, and their own identity is completely false and made up to hide it.

They would prefer "the truth" to be something more palatable, like something on the History channel. They wouldn't want to know that Islam and the other-religion-that-cannot-here-be-named are sects of Brahmanism ("Abraham"), what we now call Hinduism but has nothing to do with India or the modern religion as we know it.

The result of this willing ignorance is a mess that I call Chaos. We have dug a hole so very, very deep it's starting to smell like dead rat.

The 15% (including the small percentage that many refer to as 'elites') generally WANT the masses to get off their asses and wake up to reality. They don't care if you know about where the knife drawer is (i.e., access to powerful information) but what you will DO with those knives if you actually use them, because you will probably hurt yourself from the reality shock.

"Enlightenment" isn't something to be attained after years of whatever. It is the choice that most of us made from that diminished our pineal gland function and sense of Self, resulting in the world we have today. Those that didn't make the choice? We destroy them, because they serve as a reminder for what we have done to ourselves.

So in my opinion, the benefit of living longer would be assist the collective development of mankind. In whatever form that may be.
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It doesn't need any assistance :)

It is all ready developing in the way that it should be.

When one intentionally helps, the opposite results. It would be like trying to fix something that is all ready perfect but looks imperfect because of the perspective one is viewing it at.

On a sidenote, and correct me if I am wrong, Theosophy describes this small percentage of people as initiates. And it all starts from temperance and self-knowing, much like you have described in your posts over time. I won’t go into the different levels of initiations, and the gradual at-one-ment, I believe you are well aware of all that. In a way, it seems as if you are helping all us here prepare for such a path - or at least make us aware there is one.
 Quoting: gallade17 85129541

I am not familiar with theosophy.

“You are all that you perceive” could very well be the most important thing I have ever learned.
 Quoting: gallade17 85129541

I guess it should be more obvious to us, but maybe it really isn't talked about.

"You are what you perceive," or "You are what your unique perspective shows your reality to be," or somesuch sounds more boring than what is on Netflix today. And that is only because we don't really want to know.

If we are the embodiment of the Culture of Satan what does the Culture of Christ look like? Does it exist anywhere on earth right now?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars


Following on my point above. What if the culture of Christ is a group of people that fully understand their reality (christ consciousness) and are now working to make other humans more self conscious? What if they are doing this in ways that we seemingly don’t want in order for us to understand this by ourselves? True, detached love.

Like Chaol’s example of the person taking the bottle from the alcoholic. The person wants to help him but the alcoholic is not in a state of mind to understand this. If he becomes sober and looks back at it he will probably see it very differently.
 Quoting: gallade17 85129541

"Christ" is just the sense of Self, so a Culture of Christ would be a culture that embodied that sense, I suppose.

In the grand scheme of things, that choice that you know is 'wrong' is the best choice.

But that 'lesson' is for an other time :)
 Quoting: The Builder


I think that this point is relevant to the above as well. Maybe a person who has reached that state of understanding is able to live in a certain way that brings them harmony, but chooses to do otherwise to help other aspects of themselves grow. They know they pick the wrong choice, but they also know “why” they pick this choice.
 Quoting: gallade17 85129541

It probably isn't something I should say aloud, but it would be impossible not to live in harmony with one's Self. If there was no harmony with something, it could not be perceived.

It may be difficult to conceive how one who is, for example, killing others in their perspective is living in harmony with one's Self, but that is because how we have been conditioned to define 'harmony'.

Yet, we might ignore that although we believe nature lives in harmony, there are far, far more killings going on amongst animals and insects than there are among humans. Take any insect population and you'll find a great deal of them are murderers in their own world. Humanity lives in exceeding harmony in direct comparison.

It's more comfortable to imagine that there is a harmony that can be attained, but this is the ideal of the anti-Self.

Harmony is all ready there, waiting to be interpreted as such.

Can you give me an example of one food provided by nature directly, without human involvement?
 Quoting: The Builder


Fruit, vegetables, raw seeds and wild-caught fish. All boiled.
 Quoting: gallade17 85403251

Caught and boiled without human involvement?

Sushi is also provided by nature, for example, when you look beyond the deception of the Cult.

"Nature" is not something separate from one's perspective. The myth of a 'nature' is to distract you from the nature of your reality.

A tree is no more 'natural' than a video game device. Indeed, the device may even be more natural than the tree from one's perspective.

It's probably best not to speak of such things, however, as the conditioning is quite powerful with things like this.
 Quoting: The Builder


I am happy you discuss these things as pretty much no one else does. I do understand your point, but I think I am still very early in the process to fully grasp it. The school of thought I mentioned above also touches upon this: In the early days, applicants have to be vegetarians to discipline themselves. After a certain initiation, one knows that nature is not separate from one’s perspective, and thus “what” one eats becomes less relevant. It’s all the same anyways.
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I hesitate to say because I don't believe it is something that the average person would want to understand.

It is crazy-making, as I have often said. Not because it is different than what one might have learned, but because it spoils that game that one chooses to play. This game is our reality.

When I read about human photosynthesis and pineal gland/gold connection I get even more intrigued. I have long believed that there was a time humans did not eat, or ate much less, and that this would be the key to a longer life.
 Quoting: gallade17 85129541

Yes, but we were not as physical (or, more accurately, focused on the physical aspect) as we are today.

We are more in the dreamworld during that time.

Note that a longer life does not have more value or utility than a shorter one, because a life can only be short or long if you look at it externally. One's life is all ready as long as possible. Endless, you could say. But it doesn't mean that you can carry the same personality with you, as it may not be relevant to the 'new' life one is experiencing.

Thank you for your post :)
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What are they doing to America with the open borders and massive influx of migrants? From everywhere but mostly Latino.
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Communism, generally-speaking. That would include multiculturalism, erasing history and social memory, erasing identity, and producing a general state of Chaos.

But they will find, at an other level, their efforts actually work against their intentions.
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How so?
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Generally-speaking, those at the top of the 15% 'pyramid' influencing the others in the 15% are the ones who provide incentives for action.

An example would be Bit coin where a system that others act can within is produced, incentivising others towards performing other actions.

At cursory glance the 'benefit' is wealth or profits for some who work with the system. Upon closer inspection -- over time -- it would appear that the system is pushing society towards a certain ('positive') direction that benefits more people that previous systems allowed.

"Decentralisation" is a myth but it is a necessary deception. If people knew that it was really centralisation of power made obscure by technology they would not be interested in it.

But above the centralisation of power than crypto-currencies bring, something else is going on:

Level 1: Bit coin is decentralisation

Level 2: Bit coin in a different kind of centralisation

Level 3: Bit coin re-engineers legacy structures in a way that the legacy structures would be willing to eventually adopt while not realising that by adopting it (to increase their power) they are actually working to destroy their own structure with the promise of a reward (increased power) if they do so.

It is the same for the various 'social credit score' systems.

Who or what is in the best position to change the nature of government? Government. But a government would only be willing to change if they think their power and/or authority would increase by using the system. Enter the social credit score, for example.

Will it work to increase their power or diminish it? Hmmm...

These are all Trojan horses and are very eagerly studied and welcomed 'solutions' in places like Geneva or London.

Thanks for the reminder. It’s so easy for me to slip back into old ways of thinking. Wrapping my mind around alternate history has challenged me. In a good way.

Another reason we should love our enemies.
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

Yes, 'turn the other cheek' because your left cheek is their right cheek (as you are both the same being) :-)

Pushing for more abortions, immigrants, recreational drug use, and crap food is America today - where is the hope for us? The remembering, the return?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

It is all ways there, waiting for people to choose it :)

Something can only be promoted if people allow it to be.
 Quoting: The Builder


After reading that Marx article, my mind goes to why. Why does the average Joe promote and support these things that essentially preach the destruction of self? The family. Society essentially.
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

Fear of the Absolute, or more like 'fear of being nothing' (which was, in past, "fear of God")

Losing one's sense of existence is far worse than promoting abortion, the reasoning might go.

As I mentioned before, this drive towards communism (the anti-Self) has resulted in 25+ billion humans being born because of farming technologies, industry, et c. If we now had a pro-Self society it would be somewhere around 600 million persons being born during the same time.

Although we fight against the Self in some ways we try to make up for it in other ways. Perhaps we even tell ourselves that a pro-Self society is really the bad one because it would not result in billions of humans experiencing life.

This reasoning could be extrapolated to:

::anti-Self, pro-technology and industry (including ABORTION): the birth of 25 billion extra humans

::pro-Self, anti-technology above human scale, local economies (including letting weaker members die, like a tree does with its leaves): 24.3 billion less humans

One has the abortion/murder of 2 billion precious living beings, the other has the non-existence (a very horrible thing, in our genetic memory) of 25 billion living humans who were 'never given the chance' at life, even for a few days or months

What choice would most make? We are all ready living that choice.

I hear you saying “it’s as simple as a choice” yet it doesn’t seem easy to make that choice. To take action on that choice. So here we are. It makes me sad for my granddaughter. What on Earth are we leaving for our sons and daughters and their sons and daughters?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

It is easier to make the choice that we have all ready made.

Both 'ways' have valid points. A kind of paradox for society, I suppose.

I mean, you left for a good reason I’m sure.
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

For my training wheels, yes.
 Quoting: The Builder


I sense you took those off a while ago. You’re practiced now :)

...

No remedy is needed, as there is nothing wrong with it.

The problems are in how society is structured.
 Quoting: The Builder


I think what I’m getting at is here in America, aka the melting pot, what does homogenous even mean? Is it even a state that we could know?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

People are conditioned to believe that prosperous homogeneous cultures are evil and unsuccessful homogeneous cultures are disadvantaged, so there's that.
 Quoting: The Builder

That is too true. Seriously.

There could be homogeneous cultures within an umbrella culture, such as the Confederacy of Nations in America before the 1800s, of which there were many hundreds of cultures that pretty much kept to themselves and didn't invite outsiders. Nearly every aspect of that was made evil, of course, as the New World took over. (And even the Confederate Nations spread out all over North America became the Confederate States in a small slice of it, with a made-up slavery narrative to boot.)

If we knew it before we could know it again.

Unfortunately, however, the Cult found a very technologically advanced (and fully communist) culture in South America, and decided to copy it.
 Quoting: The Builder

When are you talking about - what time period? And who?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

The Inca of South America was the first communist empire, and a very technologically successful one.

[link to www.capitalismmagazine.com (secure)]

They had many interesting social and technological innovations, such as 40,000 kilometers of superhighways and other roads complete with frequent rest stops and lots of other interesting stuff [link to www.ancient-origins.net (secure)]

Why they needed such a vast logistical support system is an other story :)

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Generally-speaking, those at the top of the 15% 'pyramid' influencing the others in the 15% are the ones who provide incentives for action.

An example would be Bit coin where a system that others act can within is produced, incentivising others towards performing other actions.

At cursory glance the 'benefit' is wealth or profits for some who work with the system. Upon closer inspection -- over time -- it would appear that the system is pushing society towards a certain ('positive') direction that benefits more people that previous systems allowed.

"Decentralisation" is a myth but it is a necessary deception. If people knew that it was really centralisation of power made obscure by technology they would not be interested in it.

But above the centralisation of power than crypto-currencies bring, something else is going on:

Level 1: Bit coin is decentralisation

Level 2: Bit coin in a different kind of centralisation

Level 3: Bit coin re-engineers legacy structures in a way that the legacy structures would be willing to eventually adopt while not realising that by adopting it (to increase their power) they are actually working to destroy their own structure with the promise of a reward (increased power) if they do so.

It is the same for the various 'social credit score' systems.

Who or what is in the best position to change the nature of government? Government. But a government would only be willing to change if they think their power and/or authority would increase by using the system. Enter the social credit score, for example.

Will it work to increase their power or diminish it? Hmmm...

These are all Trojan horses and are very eagerly studied and welcomed 'solutions' in places like Geneva or London.
 Quoting: The Builder


So what is being developed to replace these legacy structures? Are they transformed or completely replaced? Deeper into the anti-Self agenda - globalization?

What was the original intent of Bit coin? Is the intent now, the above? And is Satoshi Nakamoto a real person?

Pushing for more abortions, immigrants, recreational drug use, and crap food is America today - where is the hope for us? The remembering, the return?
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

It is all ways there, waiting for people to choose it :)

Something can only be promoted if people allow it to be.
 Quoting: The Builder


After reading that Marx article, my mind goes to why. Why does the average Joe promote and support these things that essentially preach the destruction of self? The family. Society essentially.
 Quoting: Lady of Stars

Fear of the Absolute, or more like 'fear of being nothing' (which was, in past, "fear of God")

Losing one's sense of existence is far worse than promoting abortion, the reasoning might go.

As I mentioned before, this drive towards communism (the anti-Self) has resulted in 25+ billion humans being born because of farming technologies, industry, et c. If we now had a pro-Self society it would be somewhere around 600 million persons being born during the same time.

Although we fight against the Self in some ways we try to make up for it in other ways. Perhaps we even tell ourselves that a pro-Self society is really the bad one because it would not result in billions of humans experiencing life.

This reasoning could be extrapolated to:

::anti-Self, pro-technology and industry (including ABORTION): the birth of 25 billion extra humans

::pro-Self, anti-technology above human scale, local economies (including letting weaker members die, like a tree does with its leaves): 24.3 billion less humans

One has the abortion/murder of 2 billion precious living beings, the other has the non-existence (a very horrible thing, in our genetic memory) of 25 billion living humans who were 'never given the chance' at life, even for a few days or months

What choice would most make? We are all ready living that choice.
 Quoting: The Builder


I’m following your thoughts here. For me, the 2 billion precious living beings are quite different than the 25 billion ‘that could’ve been’. The 2 billion had actual Earth physicality - even if only for a short while - that was consciously cut short. And all that comes with that. As someone who knew when conception occurred with my oldest, I understood through experience, from a young age that this is when human life begins.

The 25 billion’s exist-sense exists, yes - just in a different form?

Are we being presented with this choice because if we are, I choose the pro-Self.


The Inca of South America was the first communist empire, and a very technologically successful one.

[link to www.capitalismmagazine.com (secure)]

They had many interesting social and technological innovations, such as 40,000 kilometers of superhighways and other roads complete with frequent rest stops and lots of other interesting stuff [link to www.ancient-origins.net (secure)]

Why they needed such a vast logistical support system is an other story :)
 Quoting: The Builder


Care to tell it?

You always have the best links at your fingertips. Super relevant. What search engine do you use if you don’t mind me asking? Or is it all about you :)

I’ve pretty much given up trying to research anything because from my pov the algorithms suck and never feed me what I’m looking for anymore, no matter how I frame it.
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Let me know how it works :)
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It worked! I almost hit six figures, but ended up getting five figures instead. Specifically, I got fifth place, coming within inches of the goal. Was in the lead for 150k, but I only received 15k due to the chaos of daily fantasy sports. If 5 less strikes were landed for any given fighter from the 4 people that passed me up I would have won 150k.


I was fascinated by the order of things; how things just seemed to fit together.

 Quoting: The Builder



Im walking away today just with the thought, 'well the job isn't done yet.'

Real-life indicators are working in my favor. Even though I'm walking away with only 15k, I'm thinking, 'the job isn't done yet.' I plan to re-read some of your words and see if I can improve my understanding of how, on a metaphysical level, the 150k slipped from my hands today."

I spent $225 total, and almost had it, very bitter sweet, short term.

Oh my divine interpretations coming around. But.. has me thinking...





GLP