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Notes from an "alternate universe": The Revelation of the Real World

 
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You've interpreted this from your 'waking mind' in a way that makes sense to it, just like your dream self does with your physical experience (in a way that we can't remember).

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 Quoting: The Builder


Sure, but there must be some way to find use in dreams. Don't you use the time you're "asleep" to explore the metaphysical for things to use in the physical (or did I misunderstand)? How to make dreams useful
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The waking dream is as much a dream as the sleeping dream.
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Yes. How to make the dreams "communicate," I suppose
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United States of Tradition, seems to carry blockchain vibe?
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Only States that promote more traditional values will be rewarded. It will be up to each to determine what those are. Those that rely on advanced technologies probably won't be able to participate in the prize pool.
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Life still happens regardless of whether or not one does anything about it. But if you want it to be a certain way, make plans and take action. It is usually through focused actions that we come to the understanding that we are the author of our reality and our experiences are really up to us, through our interpretation of them.
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This seems to be where my "issue" is, with my intention to "go back." For lots of other things, I see clearly what the action is that would get me there. Even with the island example, the action from the eruption island to the cave island is, obviously, swimming. The actions taken to get a new apartment would be to get a job (which, considering my current perspective, is sort of difficult but possible nonetheless) and then apply for apartments. To ""go back in time,"" though? I don't see how to make a plan or take an action for that.
 Quoting: Sabai_Adonais

Do you ever 'go back' to dreams you had before?

Could you say that you can't help but do that, as 'each' is a 'new' interpretation of the same dreaming state that has no end?

If your 2022 is a re-interpretation of your 2012, what would be the purpose of going back to something that is all ready here as a different interpretation?

You could re-interpret it about the same but it would take a tremendous amount of energy to do so (affecting you in ways that you may not even notice).

It may be an idea to explore it in your mind, to find out why you've left it behind and no longer had the need for it.
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Like you said:

One would not order someone else to understand something, but act.
 Quoting: The Builder


(which, your explanation re: authority and action was valuable, by the by, thank you)

It seems that "learning to use Neuronics" isn't something that is useful, in those terms, to any ends.

I'm stuck
 Quoting: Sabai_Adonais

Learning anything is irrelevant. Its meaning and utility depends entirely on the system one wants to operate in.

The utility of neuronics is in the interpretation of reality.

Rather than interpreting 'the dream I had last night' in terms of houses, a zookeeper, teeth, and a walking rock, for example, I would move beyond my chaotic interpretations to something more fundamental. You don't dream in a way that you think you do. The dream you had last night? Never happened. It is a current interpretation of something else that has nothing to do with what you think you experienced.

With neuronics I would see the code of reality, so to speak. I would experience what it was before all of the chaotic interpretation of houses, zookeepers, etc. Instead of a million different concepts (different kinds of houses, for example) I would end up with one.

The 'house' depends on what it is doing, not what it looks like in my interpretation. What it is doing is also an interpretation, but on a more fundamental level.

Now that I've simplified the equation for part of my dream I can move on to other parts. That allows me to interpret reality in a more fundamental way. Thinking of a house takes a lot of perceptual energy just as looking at one would in real life. It takes 'time' or cycles away from other mental processes. Now that it's just XXX it is far more relative to other things; a red house with two doors wherein lived a mouse is a very specific thing. It is also just an interpretation in Chaos and easy to get lost in. If you begin to think about such a thing you could get lost for hours as you relate it with other things, and you began from an interpretation that you just made up.

Neuronics helps to get rid of the Chaos when you interpret reality. It is also meaningless and not important to learn, but could be very useful depending on the system of interpretation one adopts.
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The link embedded in the caption under Beethoven's 'old world' portrait on Revelations.One goes to a privated video, in case you weren't aware :)
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Thank you :)
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"If you're always focused on the horizon, in a way, you never have to face the truth that, actually, this is it."

Some "local" work to get get done. Thank you, Chaol.
 Quoting: An Observer 83943532

Indeed.

Now is the time for action.

One can only be the author of one's reality by writing the script, not by simply being the author. "How else, other than through action, would we know that we are?", is the question
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123.5 years (the nature of perspective) times 2 (inversion) plus 1776 (the rebirth" of the United States) is 2023. It is a number I just made up and integrated into my logical narrative.
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I chuckled at this part :-)

The New Armageddon will be people with generally 'good' intentions in intense, strategic competition to make the world a better place for humanity. What "better" means will be up to you.
 Quoting: The Builder


But I loved this part.
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Thanks. I'm having fun, too :)
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Take a look around where you are right now.

What would be the most astonishing technology you sense around you?

How could you use this technology more consciously?


 Quoting: The Builder



Oddly enough the answer is the human body. What good is the technology if you forgotten the owner's manual to human brain. Missing pages of that wireless chapter.
 Quoting: SpawnX

You got it!

That is what the 'Old Testament' of the Bible is about, the ancient mythologies including the most ancient Vedas, and more. This is a bit more obvious in the 'Egyptian Book of the Dead', but much less so in others.

Different parts of the body and mind personified, given a complete and compelling narrative.

The brain was often referred to as the heavens above with the spinal cord being the Earth below. It was the education of the self.
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Whats the deal with Industrial and Commercial Bank of China; ceasing paper trading in PMs? Forcing customer hands to dump pm trades with ICBC by mid Oct.
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Been thinking about education, particularly, as it relates to my UST state, and that's certainly a conundrum. I think that any system that 'indoctrinates' is fairly unstable/unsustainable from the get-go, because when a group chooses a system but removes the perceived choice from subsequent generations, they've all ready lost the integrity of the system.

The 'removal of choice,' saying "this way is the only correct way to do things," feels like an admission that they know that others probably wouldn't choose that system of their own 'free will' if others were readily available, for one thing. Saying "this way is the only correct way to do things" also appears to be the reason for many an otherwise-needless conflict where two groups try to impose their correct ways, which may be correct for them, upon each other, for an other. The conflicts may serve to affirm the identity of each system, but get in the way of usefuller interactions.

So it seems that education must impart on those being educated what "correct" conduct within the society is, but also the idea that such conduct isn't the end-all-be-all of existence. And, effective education would be teaching subsequent generations how to effectively compare the pros and cons of systems in order to choose what is best for them (individually, and then also informing the decision to stay and contribute to the society system).

This seems to go hand-in-hand with 'rites of passage,' where at a certain age/under certain conditions a child becomes a full-fledged member of a society. That's an other 'problem,' figuring out what constitutes a fully fledged member of society and what rite of passage represents that transition

Then there's the problem of what to teach other than 'correct conduct' in school. Trades and skills are a given, and I'd personally emphasize the arts, but I'd not be sure how to structure things like history, especially if most of it is fabricated. Health is an other subject I'd be unsure on.

There's an other problem in education of adults at the onset of the state. It'd be easy enough to get people to participate if money is involved, but to have them adhere to the principles of the proposed state requires education.

So many moving parts
 Quoting: Sabai_Adonais

Our problems are such that they cannot be reverse-engineered. If you take a system that would work for a society and set it to work in a civilisation that seeks to destroy itself, it won't work.

The problem isn't that we don't know how to solve big problems. The problem is that we don't really care to, and actively work against it.

How do you manage billions of people that are conditioned to want increasingly more complex problems in their lives?

How do you manage an entire world of mentally and emotionally ill persons who think they are healthy but are killing their own inner monologue that would show them that, with their addiction to social drugs that they cannot conceptualise the effects of?
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You've interpreted this from your 'waking mind' in a way that makes sense to it, just like your dream self does with your physical experience (in a way that we can't remember).

[Snippies]

 Quoting: The Builder


Sure, but there must be some way to find use in dreams. Don't you use the time you're "asleep" to explore the metaphysical for things to use in the physical (or did I misunderstand)? How to make dreams useful
 Quoting: Sabai_Adonais

For me, I tend to not really care about my physical self much when in that mode. I just feel the need to leave it alone and let it be. There are times when I do think of the life of my physical self (though I'm constantly aware of my body and its clock), but it's more like a double awareness during those times. If this time was translated I think it would be something like 1-2 minutes of a day in the metaphysical, while at other times I am doing things that my physical self has no words for.

I would say that they are all ready very useful without having to do anything more.
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"If you're always focused on the horizon, in a way, you never have to face the truth that, actually, this is it."

Some "local" work to get get done. Thank you, Chaol.
 Quoting: An Observer 83943532

Indeed.

Now is the time for action.

One can only be the author of one's reality by writing the script, not by simply being the author. "How else, other than through action, would we know that we are?", is the question
 Quoting: The Builder


Too bad for us doubters :)

Maybe I just should cast all doubt aside and just do?

And then see where it ends, even if there is an “I told you so” moment when it goes to pieces...
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Life still happens regardless of whether or not one does anything about it. But if you want it to be a certain way, make plans and take action. It is usually through focused actions that we come to the understanding that we are the author of our reality and our experiences are really up to us, through our interpretation of them.
 Quoting: The Builder


This seems to be where my "issue" is, with my intention to "go back." For lots of other things, I see clearly what the action is that would get me there. Even with the island example, the action from the eruption island to the cave island is, obviously, swimming. The actions taken to get a new apartment would be to get a job (which, considering my current perspective, is sort of difficult but possible nonetheless) and then apply for apartments. To ""go back in time,"" though? I don't see how to make a plan or take an action for that.
 Quoting: Sabai_Adonais

Do you ever 'go back' to dreams you had before?

Could you say that you can't help but do that, as 'each' is a 'new' interpretation of the same dreaming state that has no end?

If your 2022 is a re-interpretation of your 2012, what would be the purpose of going back to something that is all ready here as a different interpretation?

You could re-interpret it about the same but it would take a tremendous amount of energy to do so (affecting you in ways that you may not even notice).

It may be an idea to explore it in your mind, to find out why you've left it behind and no longer had the need for it.
 Quoting: The Builder


If 'each' is a 'new' interpretation of the same dreaming state that has no end, then of course I 'go back' to dreams I have before. More applicably to the topic at hand, I often have (seemingly) recurrent dreams, all ways with variation, though. My dream-self, as interpreted by my awake-self, loves to revisit conditions.

Every thing is all ready here as a different interpretation, what is the purpose of re-interpreting any thing at all, in that case? A 'reality' where I am wealthy beyond my wildest dreams is all ready here now, what would be the purpose of taking the logical steps to make that my 'experience?' If I am starving, a 'reality' where I am full is all ready here now, what is the purpose of eating? The 'dreamworld' is all ready here now, what is the purpose of bringing focus to it?

Meaningful experience, of course; at the most basic level, to feel alive.

It is, of course, not 'going back;' 2012 never 'happened.' It'd be an entirely new interpretation and experience. The 'purpose' began as wanting to have a 'better' experience in those years, fostering different relationships in different ways than I did, knowing what I 'know' now. Wishy washy, not very useful. The 'purpose,' now, is to set up something much greater than that. But I could easily do the first thing along the way :) Setting up that something would be remarkably more difficult from "here" than "2012."

I have as much or little 'need' for it as I do for any other interpretation that isn't the one immediately at hand.

If 'free will' is the ability to choose what one experiences, I'd like to choose ""going back to 2012"" (English equivalent of the reality not available). It may affect me in ways I don't notice, but I wouldn't notice them, and so does every thing. Those ways are beneficial any way, since they'd contribute to me feeling alive even if, at the end of the day, I wouldn't 'like' the expression in the long run. So, I'm willing to accept that.

Learning anything is irrelevant. Its meaning and utility depends entirely on the system one wants to operate in.

The utility of neuronics is in the interpretation of reality.

Rather than interpreting 'the dream I had last night' in terms of houses, a zookeeper, teeth, and a walking rock, for example, I would move beyond my chaotic interpretations to something more fundamental. You don't dream in a way that you think you do. The dream you had last night? Never happened. It is a current interpretation of something else that has nothing to do with what you think you experienced.

With neuronics I would see the code of reality, so to speak. I would experience what it was before all of the chaotic interpretation of houses, zookeepers, etc. Instead of a million different concepts (different kinds of houses, for example) I would end up with one.

The 'house' depends on what it is doing, not what it looks like in my interpretation. What it is doing is also an interpretation, but on a more fundamental level.

Now that I've simplified the equation for part of my dream I can move on to other parts. That allows me to interpret reality in a more fundamental way. Thinking of a house takes a lot of perceptual energy just as looking at one would in real life. It takes 'time' or cycles away from other mental processes. Now that it's just XXX it is far more relative to other things; a red house with two doors wherein lived a mouse is a very specific thing. It is also just an interpretation in Chaos and easy to get lost in. If you begin to think about such a thing you could get lost for hours as you relate it with other things, and you began from an interpretation that you just made up.

Neuronics helps to get rid of the Chaos when you interpret reality. It is also meaningless and not important to learn, but could be very useful depending on the system of interpretation one adopts.
 Quoting: The Builder


This is helpful. I get how simplifying the interpretation makes the interpretation relative to more things, I suppose I don't 'get' how to 'choose' which of the things from XXX to make more relative than all of the others. Like, 'a red house with two doors wherein lived a mouse' is obviously only relative to a handful of things (the mouse, mouse society). Interpreting it as XXX, it's now relative to loads of other things, but how to 'choose' what to experience from XXX? Seems more difficult to do because there's more to choose from.

I feel the cogs turning, though, backwards thinking in progress.

"If you're always focused on the horizon, in a way, you never have to face the truth that, actually, this is it."

Some "local" work to get get done. Thank you, Chaol.
 Quoting: An Observer 83943532

Indeed.

Now is the time for action.

One can only be the author of one's reality by writing the script, not by simply being the author. "How else, other than through action, would we know that we are?", is the question
 Quoting: The Builder


As I wrote the last bit, it occurred to me that one can't 'choose' in "real time," so to speak, where to go from XXX, as perception is 'behind' the reality (speaking from the currently accepted physical narrative, we perceive everything nanoseconds in the past) which is the Absolute. As soon as you'd say "what I am experiencing now is XXX," it is no longer really XXX. So, there must be a script. Neuronics seem to cut down the time between conception of script and experience, though, which is what is pretty much said on the site.

Side-note, that's more 'backwards thinking'! All ways seemed that experience is driven fore ward by some force, but that's not the case.

Our problems are such that they cannot be reverse-engineered. If you take a system that would work for a society and set it to work in a civilisation that seeks to destroy itself, it won't work.

The problem isn't that we don't know how to solve big problems. The problem is that we don't really care to, and actively work against it.

How do you manage billions of people that are conditioned to want increasingly more complex problems in their lives?

How do you manage an entire world of mentally and emotionally ill persons who think they are healthy but are killing their own inner monologue that would show them that, with their addiction to social drugs that they cannot conceptualise the effects of?
 Quoting: The Builder


It is good that I don't want to manage billions of people. I don't want to manage any, truth be told. I want to build a small society that builds people who want to build for themselves.

I've been looking into rose gardening, and building a society seems very much like self-pegging and pruning to create a solid foundation and many flowers.

Incidentally, some parts of an education system came to me by way of dreaming last night :)

For me, I tend to not really care about my physical self much when in that mode. I just feel the need to leave it alone and let it be. There are times when I do think of the life of my physical self (though I'm constantly aware of my body and its clock), but it's more like a double awareness during those times. If this time was translated I think it would be something like 1-2 minutes of a day in the metaphysical, while at other times I am doing things that my physical self has no words for.

I would say that they are all ready very useful without having to do anything more.
 Quoting: The Builder


I see, thank you.

By the by, are you and Maria still distinct from each other?
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Sabai - a thought experiment for you.

What would it be like if tomorrow, you woke up, and some computer bug had reset all the calendars in the world to 2012. When the software engineers tried to fix the problem, they realised far too much effort was involved and so they decided we'd just have to "start over" from that point.

You'd have reached your goal, but what would be qualitively different?

Or another, slightly different experiment.

If you (and those back in 2012) caught a virus that caused selective amnesia, which memories would you want to be "destroyed" and what would you create instead?
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Hey builder, how many pdfs are available in your website?
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Sabai - a thought experiment for you.

What would it be like if tomorrow, you woke up, and some computer bug had reset all the calendars in the world to 2012. When the software engineers tried to fix the problem, they realised far too much effort was involved and so they decided we'd just have to "start over" from that point.

You'd have reached your goal, but what would be qualitively different?
 Quoting: An Observer 83943532


2012, the number, is not the goal, it is just much too much work to type out that I'd like to "just wake up" "back in my room at xxxxx xxxxx xxxxxx Way surrounded by furniture that belonged to my grandmother with my brown backpack filled with homework from xxxxx xxxx Institute slung over the chair at my desk in front of a fish tank and my cat Bonabelle (deceased in 2022) curled up next to me on the first morning of spring break before getting up and getting ready to go to work," and so many other details. My saying "2012" does not refer to a number, but to a certain relationship expression, one that I'd like to more or less experience again

Or another, slightly different experiment.

If you (and those back in 2012) caught a virus that caused selective amnesia, which memories would you want to be "destroyed" and what would you create instead?
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I'll be honest I'm confused by this question. Do you mean we catch a selective amnesia virus now in 2022 or in 2012?

If now, I'd destroy the memories of deciding to want to go to 2012 and all the ones related to this thread and to the fact that I've all ready "time traveled." I wouldn't be happier by any means, unless ignorance is, indeed, bliss. But I could stop tantalizing myself with the prospect of being able to see changes in directions I'd like and feeling wholly responsible for my reality. Until I understand how to reinterpret, understanding that my reality is my responsibility feels akin to self flaggelation.

I suppose I'd "create" a mindset where I am content to just get a job and go to work under a system I feel I have no power to change but must make the best of.

Good thing this is a hypothetical, that sounds like it's own hell.

Edit: if I had the know-how to "create" in such a way, I wouldn't be having the problems I'm having. Though, there's no "creation"

As for others, I do not really care which memories they keep or do not. Perhaps it'd be better, though, if my love/hate relationship person forgot about me entirely. I hold them back as much as they I.

But the desire to "go back" is not about people forgetting things, per se, though. There's nothing I'm particularly ashamed of that I'd like everyone to forget or anything like that

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Oh! It's like using blue or red colored lenses to look at a blue and red picture. Through the red lens, all you can see are the blue lines. Through the blue lens, all you can see are the red lines.

"Perceiver" has lenses, so to speak, but the lens must be the inversion of the perception
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Whats the deal with Industrial and Commercial Bank of China; ceasing paper trading in PMs? Forcing customer hands to dump pm trades with ICBC by mid Oct.
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 Quoting: The Builder


Dang I thought the Chinese dream was respectable. I cannot know for certain but it seems like their governance is swell unfortunately. How heck are they the future.

Side note, the fear of bank notes being unattainable would drive focus on physical holdings, interesting.
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Take a look around where you are right now.

What would be the most astonishing technology you sense around you?

How could you use this technology more consciously?


 Quoting: The Builder



Oddly enough the answer is the human body. What good is the technology if you forgotten the owner's manual to human brain. Missing pages of that wireless chapter.
 Quoting: SpawnX

You got it!

That is what the 'Old Testament' of the Bible is about, the ancient mythologies including the most ancient Vedas, and more. This is a bit more obvious in the 'Egyptian Book of the Dead', but much less so in others.

Different parts of the body and mind personified, given a complete and compelling narrative.

The brain was often referred to as the heavens above with the spinal cord being the Earth below. It was the education of the self.
 Quoting: The Builder


Heaven and earth are very closely linked, but have their own separate function. Interesting how many involuntary movements are made, I would guess there's more involuntary than voluntary on earth.

Heaven being the most important part of life. Without heaven, earth would cease to exist. Without earth there is no movement (interaction).

Both being of different parts with different jobs. However both have similar function to produce a beautiful illusion.

I just wonder what I am expecting to do with my heaven on earth.
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123.5 years (the nature of perspective) times 2 (inversion)
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Can you explain how 'times 2' is a representation of inversion.

I would think 113, and 311 would be the inversion. Or is 311 the reflection.


What is inversion vs reflection.
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Last night I tried to turn my overhead fan on using the mental genius described in one of the books. I was "aiming for" turning the switch on the wall on. I don't remember exactly what I imagined / tried to relate to, but it involved a spark; nothing happened.

No big deal, I went to go to sleep so turned the light off, but used a remote. So the light was off, but the light switch on the wall was in the "on" position.

I woke up at 4am to use the restroom, and tried to use the remote to turn the light on. It wasn't working, but the remote battery wasn't dead because the light on it was on. Turns out the wall switch had switched to the "off" position at some point while I slept. I'm fairly sure it wasn't my family both bc that'd be an odd thing to do and because my door was shut when I went to sleep and woke up; that thing is LOUD and I'm an incredibly light sleeper

So, something did happen!
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I have a question…I remember reading on your site a while ago something along the lines of, when dealing with irrational people you have to meet them with irrationality. Would you explain this. I have someone in my immediate family whom I love dearly that is very irrational. I’m having no luck trying to communicate effectively. This is not someone that I want to write out of my life but the relationship is very taxing. I’m at a loss and she stirs my emotions. (One of very few)

Any tips?
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[snippies]

You could re-interpret it about the same but it would take a tremendous amount of energy to do so (affecting you in ways that you may not even notice).

[snippies]

 Quoting: The Builder


What I don't understand about this is, how would any reinterpretation take a tremendous amount of energy when energy doesn't exist / is not independent of perspective?

You've given a similar sentiment in relation to 'teleportation,' how that was incredibly taxing, but haven't explained in what ways that was taxing. The story you told in response to my asking was somewhat illuminating, but I don't see how it applies to this, specifically, because the character involved consistently made choices that were contrary in practice to what she thought she wanted. I don't want to go teleporting and time traveling all over the place, just once. I have little interest in 'teleportation' beyond the 'cool' factor and the fact that it'd be slightly more convenient than transportation I all ready use, but this single instance of 'time travel' is integral to building something of great value to me that I could see having great value to 'others,' as well.

From my understanding, any 'change' in perspective is to what is next most relative, the most 'energy efficient. I couldn't have 'time traveled' the times I did if those experiences weren't what was next most relative to the 'previous' experience
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United States of Tradition, seems to carry blockchain vibe?
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Only States that promote more traditional values will be rewarded. It will be up to each to determine what those are. Those that rely on advanced technologies probably won't be able to participate in the prize pool.
 Quoting: The Builder


What constitutes "advanced technologies"? Anything electrical? Mechanical?

Are the Amish all ready in the running for UST? ;)

Seriously though, how does one determine sustainable technology? It seems obvious that a lot of electrical things are not, as, for one 'electricity is a gateway to chaos' -- to paraphrase -- and, for an other, it is very difficult for a person to fix electrical things themselves and replacement parts have been made obsolete both by the current economic model and how electronics are set up. Lots of waste, lots of turnover

Most electrical implements are just for the sake of convenience, as well.

So, no electricity. Or, minimal electricity for things like running water, plumbing systems, and geothermal heating/cooling (which I think are effective systems, personally, in addition to architecture that encourages passive heating and cooling). Such things could be solar-powered and buildings could have their own grid rather than there being a town-wide electrical grid.

But what about gasoline-fueled things for agriculture and building?

I wouldn't think, after more mental technology is integrated, that such things would be needed, but in the interim? How does agriculture work in the dreamworld?

Also, though I'm sure "climate change" and such are deceptive narratives, the weather is getting ... weird. Record temperatures to both extremes, seems like an increase in natural disasters, stuff like that. Even just in my area, weather and temperatures have been extreme. I put it down to there being a transition in progress, but will things like that settle down?
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An other "also:" how does UST work with the world being country-locked? Ideally, I would think, a state would work best if it had a location and wasn't just a movement or whatever, but every thing seems to be owned all ready
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If you were going to leave/take a break from the threads, you'd tell us?
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I'm usually around, but oftentimes I'm quiet or not logged in.
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"If you're always focused on the horizon, in a way, you never have to face the truth that, actually, this is it."

Some "local" work to get get done. Thank you, Chaol.
 Quoting: An Observer 83943532

Indeed.

Now is the time for action.

One can only be the author of one's reality by writing the script, not by simply being the author. "How else, other than through action, would we know that we are?", is the question
 Quoting: The Builder


Too bad for us doubters :)

Maybe I just should cast all doubt aside and just do?

And then see where it ends, even if there is an “I told you so” moment when it goes to pieces...
 Quoting: Tuuur 78583054

Well, it's supposed to go to pieces :O

If we didn't rip ourselves to pieces we wouldn't have anything with which to compare.
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Our problems are such that they cannot be reverse-engineered. If you take a system that would work for a society and set it to work in a civilisation that seeks to destroy itself, it won't work.

The problem isn't that we don't know how to solve big problems. The problem is that we don't really care to, and actively work against it.

How do you manage billions of people that are conditioned to want increasingly more complex problems in their lives?

How do you manage an entire world of mentally and emotionally ill persons who think they are healthy but are killing their own inner monologue that would show them that, with their addiction to social drugs that they cannot conceptualise the effects of?
 Quoting: The Builder


It is good that I don't want to manage billions of people. I don't want to manage any, truth be told. I want to build a small society that builds people who want to build for themselves.

I've been looking into rose gardening, and building a society seems very much like self-pegging and pruning to create a solid foundation and many flowers.

Incidentally, some parts of an education system came to me by way of dreaming last night :)
 Quoting: Sabai_Adonais

The self-pegging and self-pruning will be the more challenging parts to figure out.

Any ideas?

For me, I tend to not really care about my physical self much when in that mode. I just feel the need to leave it alone and let it be. There are times when I do think of the life of my physical self (though I'm constantly aware of my body and its clock), but it's more like a double awareness during those times. If this time was translated I think it would be something like 1-2 minutes of a day in the metaphysical, while at other times I am doing things that my physical self has no words for.

I would say that they are all ready very useful without having to do anything more.
 Quoting: The Builder


I see, thank you.

By the by, are you and Maria still distinct from each other?
 Quoting: Sabai_Adonais

I'll have to think about that one, and more. I'm not sure.
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Whats the deal with Industrial and Commercial Bank of China; ceasing paper trading in PMs? Forcing customer hands to dump pm trades with ICBC by mid Oct.
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 Quoting: The Builder


Dang I thought the Chinese dream was respectable. I cannot know for certain but it seems like their governance is swell unfortunately. How heck are they the future.

Side note, the fear of bank notes being unattainable would drive focus on physical holdings, interesting.
 Quoting: SpawnX

They are not. Some years ago I mentioned Japan was, but for reasons yet to be seen.

Nation-states are still a trend, though.
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Heaven and earth are very closely linked, but have their own separate function. Interesting how many involuntary movements are made, I would guess there's more involuntary than voluntary on earth.

Heaven being the most important part of life. Without heaven, earth would cease to exist. Without earth there is no movement (interaction).

Both being of different parts with different jobs. However both have similar function to produce a beautiful illusion.

I just wonder what I am expecting to do with my heaven on earth.
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Maybe rather than waiting for the price of gold to go up, grow your own.


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