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Notes from an "alternate universe": The Revelation of the Real World

 
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What do dreams mean, generally?

I know they're just a different interpretation, but do they serve as a window to the "subconscious"?

I've been having lots of dreams where I'm younger and in the timeplace I'd like to be, 2012ish, in that house with people from "then." Last night had myriad dreams of both being in that house and dealing with problems concerning developing a system of government (such as for UST).

Does this "mean" that these things are more relative than they appear in my waking state?
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Sitting here thinking and was reminded of your countdown clock that was posted a few years ago. Is that timeframe still relevant or have we stepped it up. Just curious. If I remember correctly the date was for 11/2023.
It is as we make it. According to Maria, the future cannot really be predicted but only influenced and produced. (As the future is chaotic, and we work to fold it into something that we can experience. Predicting the future takes far too much energy to be worth it.) That's a big part of what we have been doing here, with every post and such a part of the equation.

In that way, she has suggested that we produce something in the near future that will begin to resolve a large part of the forces of chaos having expanded too much. The first parts are something similar to the last two books, and will be further reduced into a more simple form later (into a new Quadriga-type system of four basic principles for peace on Earth, so to speak)

The clock on the website is a countdown to that. I refer to it as Armaka-Dinagka (time of ruin) but it's only a kind of 'change of the guard' in a renewing kind of way.
 Quoting: Taom


Btw, every time I go to revelations.one, the 90 day countdown is always reset to 90 days 1 hour and 1 minute :)
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Is there any chance you'd make the books available on Revelations.One before it goes dark?

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Life still happens regardless of whether or not one does anything about it. But if you want it to be a certain way, make plans and take action. It is usually through focused actions that we come to the understanding that we are the author of our reality and our experiences are really up to us, through our interpretation of them.
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This seems to be where my "issue" is, with my intention to "go back." For lots of other things, I see clearly what the action is that would get me there. Even with the island example, the action from the eruption island to the cave island is, obviously, swimming. The actions taken to get a new apartment would be to get a job (which, considering my current perspective, is sort of difficult but possible nonetheless) and then apply for apartments. To ""go back in time,"" though? I don't see how to make a plan or take an action for that.

I keep considering taking actions for the event that the "time travel" thing won't work out (applying for school, getting a job, etc. etc.), but it seems to me that taking those actions would affirm the experience of "time traveling" not working out, so I don't do them. And life is happening any way.

Even when trying to write a story that I can then become, no answers that look anything like "plans" are present, only plans for what I'd like to do "after" (which I incidentally see the plans/actions for quite clearly). I get, intellectually, that we make it up as we go, but I don't see an action that would logically (from my frame of logicality) lead to finding myself in 2012 barring learning how to use Neuronics, but that's not super actionable itself.

"How do I make it so that I'm a master chef?" "Well, learn how to cook!" Not super useful, itself

Like you said:

One would not order someone else to understand something, but act.
 Quoting: The Builder


(which, your explanation re: authority and action was valuable, by the by, thank you)

It seems that "learning to use Neuronics" isn't something that is useful, in those terms, to any ends.

I'm stuck

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The link embedded in the caption under Beethoven's 'old world' portrait on Revelations.One goes to a privated video, in case you weren't aware :)
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"If you're always focused on the horizon, in a way, you never have to face the truth that, actually, this is it."

Some "local" work to get get done. Thank you, Chaol.
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Hey OP, any thing in particular to say on the Book of Revelation?
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Like most other books in the 'New Testament' of the Bible, it's a metaphorical illustration of metaphysical processes that reflect biologically.

It has little to do with 'events' in the physical world as we know it in past or future. It has everything to do with the present. Not 2022 or this period of time, but all ways the present. (e.g., in 1820 it was also about what happens metaphysically)

It is about what happens in the human mind and body.

Some use it for purposes of governance, to instil fear among certain populations so that what they are doing is more accepted as inevitable. They intentionally try to make it so that they are seen as fulfilling the Book of Revelations, but they have nothing to do with it.

Like ancient mythology, the meaning is internal, not external. (Though this metaphysical process often impresses upon the physical world because they are the same, like geological features or events.)
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Start afresh, like switching from all ways wearing black t shirts to ditching them all for colored shirts?

As I did some 20 years ago by switching from all white shirts to black.

Like selling all of your guitars, bringing all books you didn’t read for 20 years to the thriftshop?

I do like to do that.
 Quoting: Tuuur 56837391

Yep. Just like that.
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Hey builder, how many pdfs are available in your website?
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I would think 0 now, if I'm not mistaken. (I've put the main one in maintenance mode for 5 years.)
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I had an "experience" once, while meditating.

I was admonished to give up my life and I did.

I was caught up in some light or vortex.

I came out of darkness and went to a light where I saw many things and was given a new perspective.

I think that's what death really is...the dying of a limited perspective and seeing things from another one.

I saw an event that would take place in the future that was so completely awesome and frightening that no one would survive.

I believe what drives people today is the inner knowing about this future immanent event.
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Hey builder, how many pdfs are available in your website?
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I would think 0 now, if I'm not mistaken. (I've put the main one in maintenance mode for 5 years.)
 Quoting: The Builder


Well I suppose 2 days IS < 90 but I was hoping to catch the Superhumanism section first. Frowny face.
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Hey builder, how many pdfs are available in your website?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83879534

I would think 0 now, if I'm not mistaken. (I've put the main one in maintenance mode for 5 years.)
 Quoting: The Builder


What? Did the superhumanism section get published??

I checked literally last night or very early this morning :(

Is metaphy issue 2 still in the works

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What do dreams mean, generally?
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Nothing.

They are interpretations of reality, just like our physical experiences. No more or less real. They are the same worlds, now drifting into a kind of state of equilibrium.

I know they're just a different interpretation, but do they serve as a window to the "subconscious"?
 Quoting: Sabai_Adonais

The two interpretations happen at the same time. The 'sleep' is how we make it make sense.

We don't dream when we sleep so to speak. We dream when we are physically awake. I'm not sure how to describe the 'sleeping' part since we don't really sleep.

I've been having lots of dreams where I'm younger and in the timeplace I'd like to be, 2012ish, in that house with people from "then." Last night had myriad dreams of both being in that house and dealing with problems concerning developing a system of government (such as for UST).

Does this "mean" that these things are more relative than they appear in my waking state?
 Quoting: Sabai_Adonais

You've interpreted this from your 'waking mind' in a way that makes sense to it, just like your dream self does with your physical experience (in a way that we can't remember).

All of the things you've mentioned are parts of your story. The story is how you entertain yourself so you don't fall asleep into Absoluteness.

There is no meaning other than keeping you alive. We give it meaning so that we have purpose. We are our own authority, and that includes purpose and meaning.

You could say that the house in your dream represents something, but so does any house that you could touch physically. It's all an interpretation. More important than what it represents (nothing, really) is what it relates to.

At each moment you are saying, essentially, "I'm not interpreting my Self like this... now I am interpreting it like this... and now like this," and so on in a relative way, ad infinitum.

The meaning is not inherent but something you make up as you go along.
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Hey builder, how many pdfs are available in your website?
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I would think 0 now, if I'm not mistaken. (I've put the main one in maintenance mode for 5 years.)
 Quoting: The Builder


What? Did the superhumanism section get published??
 Quoting: Sabai_Adonais

Not yet. To come, after September but before the end of the year it looks like.

I checked literally last night or very early this morning :(

Is metaphy issue 2 still in the works
 Quoting: Sabai_Adonais

Yes.
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Hey builder, how many pdfs are available in your website?
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I would think 0 now, if I'm not mistaken. (I've put the main one in maintenance mode for 5 years.)
 Quoting: The Builder


Well I suppose 2 days IS < 90 but I was hoping to catch the Superhumanism section first. Frowny face.
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It will be a PDF accessible from the website.
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Sitting here thinking and was reminded of your countdown clock that was posted a few years ago. Is that timeframe still relevant or have we stepped it up. Just curious. If I remember correctly the date was for 11/2023.
It is as we make it. According to Maria, the future cannot really be predicted but only influenced and produced. (As the future is chaotic, and we work to fold it into something that we can experience. Predicting the future takes far too much energy to be worth it.) That's a big part of what we have been doing here, with every post and such a part of the equation.

In that way, she has suggested that we produce something in the near future that will begin to resolve a large part of the forces of chaos having expanded too much. The first parts are something similar to the last two books, and will be further reduced into a more simple form later (into a new Quadriga-type system of four basic principles for peace on Earth, so to speak)

The clock on the website is a countdown to that. I refer to it as Armaka-Dinagka (time of ruin) but it's only a kind of 'change of the guard' in a renewing kind of way.
 Quoting: Taom


Btw, every time I go to revelations.one, the 90 day countdown is always reset to 90 days 1 hour and 1 minute :)
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That is a general date that correlates with the birth of what I've been working towards all this time.

If the Cult have been working towards a 'New World Order' for the last few hundreds years, I guess you could think of this as a non-centralised version of governance that actually benefits humanity: a government of the people, by the people, and for the people.

It won't be something that I build, however. It will be something that people figure out for themselves. They wouldn't want to do it in the normal course of their lives, though, because they don't care about it. They would never care, even if civilisation is destroyed. They would only begin to care when someone puts a fire under their asses in the form of cold hard cash. That is why I hold the keys.

When Europe/Asia began to discover the 'Holy Land' of their mythologies and sacred texts (the Americas), they began to lose their grip on reality. We made an attempt to remodel the United Confederacy into something that was more welcoming of our new visitors from overseas (who brought powerful weapons) but they preferred full control. Being 'inclusive' was a big mistake, and it's something the Cult has learned from ever since.

The advancement of industry and technology won the day.

1776 is when the mechanisms for self-governance died and a new form of government began to spring up around the world. There were revolutions just about everywhere, though not as bloody as 'historians' would like to you believe. (As I mentioned before, wars were more like streetfights before the early 20th century. We mostly destroyed ourselves by forgetting our selves.)

That brings us to today.

123.5 years (the nature of perspective) times 2 (inversion) plus 1776 (the rebirth" of the United States) is 2023. It is a number I just made up and integrated into my logical narrative.

It is not the Cult that will resist, however. It is and will continue to be the people. Just as their lust for industry and technology killed our spirits in past, the same continues today. This is not a fight between good and evil. It is man fighting against his own inner self.

Whether or not we are good or evil depends entirely on the systems we choose to adopt. So it is time to let go of the Cult's systems and figure out other kinds of systems that benefit us more. It will be messy, sure. Many will even lose their minds for want of the Cult's teets. But it is something that the Cult wants more than the people who are addicted to it.

Some States may impress upon people that that technology is horrible for the environment, for those that have fallen into the green deception. Other States may decide to keep their technology but use it only in a certain way. There will be a wide variety, many who grow not to care about UST at all but are driven by their own consensus mechanisms. Many will compete against others for audience, values, and relevance, all the while the systems of the Cult fall into irrelevance.

It will not be something that takes places on a UST platform. UST is just the spark. After that, it will take a life of its own and, over time, most may even forget what started it all.

The New Armageddon will be people with generally 'good' intentions in intense, strategic competition to make the world a better place for humanity. What "better" means will be up to you.
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Is there any chance you'd make the books available on Revelations.One before it goes dark?
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It is being destroyed so that new life can have a little more space to grow.
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Hey builder, how many pdfs are available in your website?
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I would think 0 now, if I'm not mistaken. (I've put the main one in maintenance mode for 5 years.)
 Quoting: The Builder


Well I suppose 2 days IS < 90 but I was hoping to catch the Superhumanism section first. Frowny face.
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It will be a PDF accessible from the website.
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Thanks, I will keep an eye out for it.
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123.5 years (the nature of perspective) times 2 (inversion) plus 1776 (the rebirth" of the United States) is 2023. It is a number I just made up and integrated into my logical narrative.
 Quoting: The Builder


I chuckled at this part :-)

The New Armageddon will be people with generally 'good' intentions in intense, strategic competition to make the world a better place for humanity. What "better" means will be up to you.
 Quoting: The Builder


But I loved this part.
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Hey builder, how many pdfs are available in your website?
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I would think 0 now, if I'm not mistaken. (I've put the main one in maintenance mode for 5 years.)
 Quoting: The Builder


It is 0 for sure. I just finished reading the Albert Einstein bit online (or from my browser's cache more likely) when I returned to see the basic new page.
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Hey builder, how many pdfs are available in your website?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 83879534

I would think 0 now, if I'm not mistaken. (I've put the main one in maintenance mode for 5 years.)
 Quoting: The Builder


What? Did the superhumanism section get published??
 Quoting: Sabai_Adonais

Not yet. To come, after September but before the end of the year it looks like.

I checked literally last night or very early this morning :(

Is metaphy issue 2 still in the works
 Quoting: Sabai_Adonais

Yes.
 Quoting: The Builder


Oh phew, scared me for a second :)

[Snippies]

Whether or not we are good or evil depends entirely on the systems we choose to adopt. So it is time to let go of the Cult's systems and figure out other kinds of systems that benefit us more. It will be messy, sure. Many will even lose their minds for want of the Cult's teets. But it is something that the Cult wants more than the people who are addicted to it.

Some States may impress upon people that that technology is horrible for the environment, for those that have fallen into the green deception. Other States may decide to keep their technology but use it only in a certain way. There will be a wide variety, many who grow not to care about UST at all but are driven by their own consensus mechanisms. Many will compete against others for audience, values, and relevance, all the while the systems of the Cult fall into irrelevance.

It will not be something that takes places on a UST platform. UST is just the spark. After that, it will take a life of its own and, over time, most may even forget what started it all.

The New Armageddon will be people with generally 'good' intentions in intense, strategic competition to make the world a better place for humanity. What "better" means will be up to you.
 Quoting: The Builder


Crikey, this is intimidating. Don't fully know if I want to be involved in the competition directly. Sort of have to, though, if I want to see what I'd ultimately like to build happen
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United States of Tradition, seems to carry blockchain vibe?
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Take a look around where you are right now.

What would be the most astonishing technology you sense around you?

How could you use this technology more consciously?


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Oddly enough the answer is the human body. What good is the technology if you forgotten the owner's manual to human brain. Missing pages of that wireless chapter.
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Whats the deal with Industrial and Commercial Bank of China; ceasing paper trading in PMs? Forcing customer hands to dump pm trades with ICBC by mid Oct.
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[Snippies]

I'm stuck
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What's an action I should take, right now, that would put me a step in the right direction (towards "2012"), so to speak?
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Been thinking about education, particularly, as it relates to my UST state, and that's certainly a conundrum. I think that any system that 'indoctrinates' is fairly unstable/unsustainable from the get-go, because when a group chooses a system but removes the perceived choice from subsequent generations, they've all ready lost the integrity of the system.

The 'removal of choice,' saying "this way is the only correct way to do things," feels like an admission that they know that others probably wouldn't choose that system of their own 'free will' if others were readily available, for one thing. Saying "this way is the only correct way to do things" also appears to be the reason for many an otherwise-needless conflict where two groups try to impose their correct ways, which may be correct for them, upon each other, for an other. The conflicts may serve to affirm the identity of each system, but get in the way of usefuller interactions.

So it seems that education must impart on those being educated what "correct" conduct within the society is, but also the idea that such conduct isn't the end-all-be-all of existence. And, effective education would be teaching subsequent generations how to effectively compare the pros and cons of systems in order to choose what is best for them (individually, and then also informing the decision to stay and contribute to the society system).

This seems to go hand-in-hand with 'rites of passage,' where at a certain age/under certain conditions a child becomes a full-fledged member of a society. That's an other 'problem,' figuring out what constitutes a fully fledged member of society and what rite of passage represents that transition

Then there's the problem of what to teach other than 'correct conduct' in school. Trades and skills are a given, and I'd personally emphasize the arts, but I'd not be sure how to structure things like history, especially if most of it is fabricated. Health is an other subject I'd be unsure on.

There's an other problem in education of adults at the onset of the state. It'd be easy enough to get people to participate if money is involved, but to have them adhere to the principles of the proposed state requires education.

So many moving parts
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[Snippies]

You've interpreted this from your 'waking mind' in a way that makes sense to it, just like your dream self does with your physical experience (in a way that we can't remember).

[Snippies]

 Quoting: The Builder


Sure, but there must be some way to find use in dreams. Don't you use the time you're "asleep" to explore the metaphysical for things to use in the physical (or did I misunderstand)? How to make dreams useful
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If you were going to leave/take a break from the threads, you'd tell us?
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If you were going to leave/take a break from the threads, you'd tell us?
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Sometimes he does, sometimes he does not.
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[Snippies]

You've interpreted this from your 'waking mind' in a way that makes sense to it, just like your dream self does with your physical experience (in a way that we can't remember).

[Snippies]

 Quoting: The Builder


Sure, but there must be some way to find use in dreams. Don't you use the time you're "asleep" to explore the metaphysical for things to use in the physical (or did I misunderstand)? How to make dreams useful
 Quoting: Sabai_Adonais


The waking dream is as much a dream as the sleeping dream.
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