The Rapture - Escaping the Coming Judgement. | |
Grundig
User ID: 79244739 United States 01/25/2021 09:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just out of interest, I've been reading the Apocryphal/Deuterocanonical books lately and found a reference to the end times and the Tribulation in 2 Edras. It mentions that the Tribulation would begin with the sound of a Trumpet: Quoting: Grundig "and the trumpet shall sound aloud, and when all hear it, they shall suddenly be terrified. At that time friends shall make war on friends like enemies, and the earth and those who inhabit it shall be terrified, and the springs of the fountains shall stand still, so that for three hours they shall not flow." 2 Edras 6:23-24 The Rapture mentioned in 1 Corinthians 15:52, which happens before the start of the Tribulation, also begins with a Trumpet blast. It mentions persevering through the Tribulation, just as Matthew 24:13 does: “And it shall be that whoever remains after all that I have foretold to you shall himself be saved and shall see my salvation and the end of my world." 2 Edras 6:25 And it says this about those that remain until the end, that those that remain will see those that were "taken up", who have not "tasted death" - the raptured saints: "And they shall see the men who were taken up, who from their birth have not tasted death; and the heart of the earth’s inhabitants shall be changed and converted to a different spirit. For evil shall be blotted out, and deceit shall be quenched; faithfulness shall flourish, and corruption shall be overcome, and the truth, which has been so long without fruit, shall be revealed." 2 Edras 6:26-28 This is consistent with the Biblical teaching that Jesus will return with the raptured church at the end of the Tribulation in Revelation 19:11–16, Jude 14. That seems quite interesting but I have to say that Edras and the Apocryphal/Deuterocanonical books are largely unfamiliar to me and I suppose to most other people as well. Basically I just stick with the Authorized KJV of the bible. Very well, Judethz, however I'm sure you know the Authorized KJV did originally include the Apocrypha - the KJV translators and the church at that time, although they never considered the writings to be equal to scripture, they believed them to be of value. With a lot of Christiandom giving their time over to "prophets" on YouTube, how much more value are these ancient writings? And by the way, Jesus is clearly written about in the Apocrypha, well before His birth. ------------------------------------ "Jesus is ‘the stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone.’ Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.” Act 4:11-12 |
Judethz
(OP) User ID: 79555498 United Kingdom 01/26/2021 07:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Very well, Judethz, however I'm sure you know the Authorized KJV did originally include the Apocrypha - the KJV translators and the church at that time, although they never considered the writings to be equal to scripture, they believed them to be of value. With a lot of Christiandom giving their time over to "prophets" on YouTube, how much more value are these ancient writings? Quoting: Grundig And by the way, Jesus is clearly written about in the Apocrypha, well before His birth. Yes I am aware that there was an attempt to include the Apocrypha in the Authorized KJV. In fact it's mentioned in this quite interesting Chick illustrated tract. THE ATTACK... [link to www.chick.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75583697 United States 01/26/2021 08:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Christians will not be judged, so escaping the judgment isn't needed. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79793977 The tribulation is the wrath, not the judgment anyway and we're not under wrath but we're not going to escape the world during this time. Sorry, there is no pretribulation rapture and Jesus can't come back at any time until everything is fulfilled as written first. Just wondering, who wrote that? Seriously, names please and facts to back it up. Otherwise you are making claims of unproven claims by unknown authors about a unproven being. |
Judethz
(OP) User ID: 79555498 United Kingdom 01/26/2021 01:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just wondering, who wrote that? Seriously, names please and facts to back it up. Otherwise you are making claims of unproven claims by unknown authors about a unproven being. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75583697 It sounds like someone who goes to a backslidden liberal church and likes their "judgement free" attitude where everyone is welcome...as long as they are not seriously seeking the truth that is. 2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79980191 United States 01/26/2021 01:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Christians will not be judged, so escaping the judgment isn't needed. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79793977 The tribulation is the wrath, not the judgment anyway and we're not under wrath but we're not going to escape the world during this time. Sorry, there is no pretribulation rapture and Jesus can't come back at any time until everything is fulfilled as written first. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 64276614 United Kingdom 01/26/2021 01:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Read the Bible for yourself, it makes it clear the rapture occurs once only when Jesus returns at the second Coming. Otherwise you would have to believe there are 2 raptures and that the first raptured get stranded in heaven for 1000 years while Jesus rules on earth with the tribulation saints. And you would also have to believe that Satan is bound up for these 1000 years whilst there is paradise on earth only to be released to cause more mayhem at the battle of Gog and Magog. It doesn't make any sense because it is rubbish. Sorry, but pre trib rapture is nonsense and only believed by 'Christians' who consider themselves special in that they will avoid any trouble at all whilst the whole human history of the Church is littered with persecution and death of far more faithful and dedicated believers than are found today. Why would God make a special dispensation for these believers alive during the End times such that they avoid anything harsh? The only dispensation He grants is that those who do not take the Mark of the Beast will not be subject to the wrath of the seven vials at the end of the Tribulation. That is those who survive, for the number one target of the antichrist beast system will be believers that refuse the mark, and many of these will be killed for it. These are the real tribulation saints who endured or gave their lives for Christ. Just as the i.raelites suffered the first 3 plagues but were not affected by the last 7 plagues that God hit Egypt with, end times Christians will also have to suffer the tribulation but will be spared the wrath of God's judgment on the unbelieving idolatrous world at the end. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79244739 United States 01/26/2021 02:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Very well, Judethz, however I'm sure you know the Authorized KJV did originally include the Apocrypha - the KJV translators and the church at that time, although they never considered the writings to be equal to scripture, they believed them to be of value. With a lot of Christiandom giving their time over to "prophets" on YouTube, how much more value are these ancient writings? Quoting: Grundig And by the way, Jesus is clearly written about in the Apocrypha, well before His birth. :lazyskate: Yes I am aware that there was an attempt to include the Apocrypha in the Authorized KJV. In fact it's mentioned in this quite interesting Chick illustrated tract. THE ATTACK... [link to www.chick.com (secure)] I won't reply beyond this post about this subject but had to say I think Jack Chick got this one wrong. Most non-Catholics know enough not to get their doctrine from the Apocrypha. The books are equally as important historically as the Dead Sea Scrolls, Roman history, Josephus, among many others. Reading the Apocrypha is not going to convert anyone to Catholicism as much as reading Roman history will make someone a Roman. I think it is far more dangerous getting a "word from the Lord" from people on YouTube. |
Judethz
(OP) User ID: 79555498 United Kingdom 01/26/2021 06:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Never, G-d willing. Like everyone else I have to take things day by day, because as the Lord has explained to us, the Rapture will come upon us all like a thief in the night. A few days, a few months, a few years, I don't really know. But what I do know is that there is no particular event that has to happen before the Rapture takes place. Which is why I keep telling people to get right with the Lord now, while you are still blessed with a little time. You could get hit by a bus tomorrow and then where would you be? |
Judethz
(OP) User ID: 79555498 United Kingdom 01/27/2021 08:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The days of grace are about to end and soon those of you who refuse to come to the Lord will be thrown to the 'tender mercy's' of our hell serving leaders. [link to youtu.be (secure)] |
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Just A Watcher on the Wall User ID: 73238822 United States 01/29/2021 04:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here is a great video from Melissa of Midnight Hour Oil Ministries. In it she sets out clearly, logically and truthfully why there will be a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. If you are at all interested in the salvation of your soul it would be well worth a little of your time to watch this. [link to youtu.be (secure)] Judethz, is there a symbolism to the girl with the falcon here? "Sir, are you classified as human?" "Negative. I am a meat-popsicle." ~Corbin Dallas |
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Judethz
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Baloney
User ID: 75923721 United States 01/29/2021 05:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ]Christians will not be judged, so escaping the judgment isn't needed. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79793977 The tribulation is the wrath, not the judgment anyway and we're not under wrath but we're not going to escape the world during this time. sorry, but you are wrong. there is a pretrib rapture/resurrection event and there is nothing written that states anything has to happen or be fulfilled before he snatches his bride (the church) away. |
Baloney
User ID: 75923721 United States 01/29/2021 05:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Read the Bible for yourself, it makes it clear the rapture occurs once only when Jesus returns at the second Coming. Otherwise you would have to believe there are 2 raptures and that the first raptured get stranded in heaven for 1000 years while Jesus rules on earth with the tribulation saints. And you would also have to believe that Satan is bound up for these 1000 years whilst there is paradise on earth only to be released to cause more mayhem at the battle of Gog and Magog. It doesn't make any sense because it is rubbish. Sorry, but pre trib rapture is nonsense and only believed by 'Christians' who consider themselves special in that they will avoid any trouble at all whilst the whole human history of the Church is littered with persecution and death of far more faithful and dedicated believers than are found today. Why would God make a special dispensation for these believers alive during the End times such that they avoid anything harsh? The only dispensation He grants is that those who do not take the Mark of the Beast will not be subject to the wrath of the seven vials at the end of the Tribulation. That is those who survive, for the number one target of the antichrist beast system will be believers that refuse the mark, and many of these will be killed for it. These are the real tribulation saints who endured or gave their lives for Christ. Just as the i.raelites suffered the first 3 plagues but were not affected by the last 7 plagues that God hit Egypt with, end times Christians will also have to suffer the tribulation but will be spared the wrath of God's judgment on the unbelieving idolatrous world at the end. pile of rubbish |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79998459 United States 01/30/2021 02:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79939789 For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man. Luke 21:34-36 Have you ever once prayed so? Why not? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78983986 India 02/07/2021 06:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.brighteon.com (secure)] Don't Get LEFT BEHIND (1-The Movie) Ask Jesus Christ to Save you, Forgive ALL your Sins. and give you Eternal Life, Make you Rapture Ready. [link to vimeo.com (secure)] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79760208 United States 02/26/2021 02:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The believers who did not obey Jesus' words in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John will be judged by those words. These church going believers read the words of Jesus many times but they did not obey His words. The words of Jesus will judge them. How to escape the 'Coming Judgment'? Follow Jesus on the Narrow Way and obey what He said. And now, the time has come. And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to Him; for the hour of His judgment is come: and worship Him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. Revelation 14:6-8 Many believers are still living their lives 'in Babylon' after being warned to LEAVE and come out. Jesus told us to "Be holy as I AM holy." Isaiah 35:8 "And there will be a highway called the Way of Holiness. The unclean will not travel it--only those who walk in The WAY--and fools will not stray onto it." Jesus is The WAY TRUTH LIFE |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76467055 United Kingdom 02/26/2021 02:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now I know where I saw you. I was sitting outside the library near the Darwin monument and you asked me, "would you like a copy of the New Testament?" and I replied "no" and then you asked, "do you know what it is?" and I replied "yes". You walked off then. |
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christian
Suited up and Armored in Christ! User ID: 77937463 United States 02/26/2021 03:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is no rapture and I'm going to enjoy laughing in your f****** faces. nothing worse than a rapture tard. They are the Antichrist. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78956564 You don't even know what rapture means... Susie For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.....Matthew 6:21 There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under the heavens: Ecclesiastes 3:1 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76326459 United States 02/26/2021 04:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | uh...ya... Right... whatever... such is the living God. Well at least the one of the X'ians. i went to sunday school against my parents wishes.ugh i was only about 6 years old. i was sent home for asking "blasphemous questions ??? Sixty some years later i am not sure "what" that word means? i studied the bible etc and every thing i could on it. Even though reading was difficult. As i was considered "SLOW" as they did not coined the word dyslectic yet. Yet i managed to graduate anyway. Vietnam war was going when i graduated. i got called in for the army physical/psych examination. Was doing ok until i popped a woody standing naked at attention with a hundred other naked guys waiting for a hernia exam. OOPS !!! i lied through my teeth and said i was not gay. They listed me as 4f anyway. Ugh !!! I prayed to God to turn me straight. Guess there are some thing God can't do. Since then i have experienced a lot of Christian HATE !!! In my thirties i realized that i was not like the christian god of HATE. Or any of the other gods of HATE. Or like the christians who love to hate. As i was just "ME". And that i enjoyed helping people. And "expected" nothing in return for doing so. And that was pretty much the what i got as far as things. But when i started loving my self instead of a god of hate. Other people began to love me and care about me and were happy to have in their presence. And that was all i needed for the eternal NOW ! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69278179 United States 02/26/2021 05:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just wondering, who wrote that? Seriously, names please and facts to back it up. Otherwise you are making claims of unproven claims by unknown authors about a unproven being. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75583697 :german4: It sounds like someone who goes to a backslidden liberal church and likes their "judgement free" attitude where everyone is welcome...as long as they are not seriously seeking the truth that is. 2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; What is the origin of that picture? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 69278179 United States 02/26/2021 05:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52056433 1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord The dead in Christ were the Old Testament saints. There is no rapture. :german3: It's very sad really, you quote the revenant passage...And then go and add your own private interpretation to it, which makes about as much sense as using a corkscrew for a ruler. Where did this picture come from? They are all the same kind of infamous photos from WW2 Germany. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78252854 United States 02/26/2021 05:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | :bridec:... It says in the Bible that the people and the nations... :BrideA: Quoting: Judethz that forget the Lord will be turned into Hell. And at long last the peoples of the Western world are just beginning to find out how true that is. Our vast wealth has largely insulated us from the harsh realities of life that are common throughout the rest of the earth. People are not yet dying in the streets of starvation, but those days will soon be coming. Along with bone grinding poverty and a host of other evils that will make people who are still alive in 25 look back on 2020 as a very good year indeed. The Great Tribulation was never made for those whom the Lord acknowledges as His own, it has been made for those who reject the Lord. Even now many backslidden 'Christians' act as if the serious events of the last few months are just a temporary setback. That things will be all right with the world and soon be back to normal. With some honorable exceptions the state of the Modern Day 'Church' is an absolute disgrace. They long ago ceased to be fit for purpose, and are like a termite ridden tree in the forest. Just waiting for a good strong wind to come along and finish them off for good. The great evil that they have done is that they have left their congregation's unprepared for the wrath to come. We are not guiltless because we have become comfortable with and accept such evils as One World Religion, the Prosperity gospel, abortion, homosexuality, freewheeling sexual activity, and a host of other evils and petty distractions. The result being that great numbers of them will be suddenly plunged completely unaware into a world of horror, want and savagery that is truly the stuff of nightmares. With only a small chance of gaining salvation as one of the Tribulation Saints. Remember that the Rapture can happen at any moment, in the twinkling of an eye. You still been blessed with a little time, so if you have not made your self right with the Lord, turn to Him now with all your heart and He will be quick to hear you. But don't take all day about it, you could be hit by a bus tomorrow and then where would you be? |