If the earth is a globe, how is it possible that a photograph of the Alps in its splendor can be taken from the Pyrenees? | |
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Achduke7
User ID: 78515581 Romania 01/09/2021 12:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If the earth is a globe, how is it possible that a photograph of the Alps in its splendor can be taken from the Pyrenees? ... Quoting: Achduke7 Because the photographer said he was using refraction to try and achieve world record photographs for distance. Where does he say that? To his left, other peaks of the Alps we also seen. Refractive favorable circumstances allowed to view some other peaks, even that more distant than the Barre des Ecrins. Pic Gaspard, 443 Km, is what has given us this time the brand new World Record of distant photograph of landscapes in our planet. Even if he says that, he is mistaken, since he is probably brainwashed into the globe earth model and thinks that it has to be refraction. But is was not. Btw, where did you get that quote from? I didn’t see it the first two times I read through the description. It is on the blog with the picture they took. From the OP 2nd post. Near the bottom. [link to beyond-horizons.org (secure)] Last Edited by Achduke7 on 01/09/2021 12:18 PM Achduke |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77599233 United States 01/09/2021 12:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If the earth is a globe, how is it possible that a photograph of the Alps in its splendor can be taken from the Pyrenees? To his left, other peaks of the Alps we also seen. Refractive favorable circumstances allowed to view some other peaks, even that more distant than the Barre des Ecrins. Pic Gaspard, 443 Km, is what has given us this time the brand new World Record of distant photograph of landscapes in our planet. Even if he says that, he is mistaken, since he is probably brainwashed into the globe earth model and thinks that it has to be refraction. But is was not. Btw, where did you get that quote from? I didn’t see it the first two times I read through the description. It is on the blog with the picture they took. From the OP 2nd post. Near the bottom. [link to beyond-horizons.org (secure)] Thanks. Got it. As previously stated, I think he is mistaken when he pinpoints refraction as the cause of the long sighting... |
ST37
User ID: 79668883 United States 01/09/2021 12:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If the earth is a globe, how is it possible that a photograph of the Alps in its splendor can be taken from the Pyrenees? He does that all the time—calling people fucktards and dimwits when that is exactly what he is. Awww, does the poor wittle Flatty's pussy hurt when people call him mean names? Case in point. What a freaking shill. Learn what a shill is, mental midget. PharaohChromium |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77599233 United States 01/09/2021 12:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If the earth is a globe, how is it possible that a photograph of the Alps in its splendor can be taken from the Pyrenees? ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77599233 ... He does that all the time—calling people fucktards and dimwits when that is exactly what he is. Awww, does the poor wittle Flatty's pussy hurt when people call him mean names? Case in point. What a freaking shill. Learn what a shill is, mental midget. ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77599233 ... He does that all the time—calling people fucktards and dimwits when that is exactly what he is. Awww, does the poor wittle Flatty's pussy hurt when people call him mean names? Case in point. What a freaking shill. Learn what a shill is, mental midget. A shill is an accomplice to a swindler, dumbass. You are exactly that. You are aiding and abetting the greatest swindle of all time: globe earth. Try again. |
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ST37
User ID: 79668883 United States 01/09/2021 12:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If the earth is a globe, how is it possible that a photograph of the Alps in its splendor can be taken from the Pyrenees? Learn what a shill is, mental midget. Learn what a shill is, mental midget. A shill is an accomplice to a swindler, dumbass. You are exactly that. You are aiding and abetting the greatest swindle of all time: globe earth. Try again. A swindler? You mean like Eric Dubay, and the other con men that you Flatties fellate on a daily basis? BTW, learn how to use the quote function. It will make you look slightly less stupid. PharaohChromium |
Achduke7
User ID: 78515581 Romania 01/09/2021 12:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If the earth is a globe, how is it possible that a photograph of the Alps in its splendor can be taken from the Pyrenees? ... Quoting: Achduke7 To his left, other peaks of the Alps we also seen. Refractive favorable circumstances allowed to view some other peaks, even that more distant than the Barre des Ecrins. Pic Gaspard, 443 Km, is what has given us this time the brand new World Record of distant photograph of landscapes in our planet. Even if he says that, he is mistaken, since he is probably brainwashed into the globe earth model and thinks that it has to be refraction. But is was not. Btw, where did you get that quote from? I didn’t see it the first two times I read through the description. It is on the blog with the picture they took. From the OP 2nd post. Near the bottom. [link to beyond-horizons.org (secure)] Thanks. Got it. As previously stated, I think he is mistaken when he pinpoints refraction as the cause of the long sighting... AC233 do you know what a Fata Morgana is? [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] This is a similiar effect with refraction but changes more rapidly depending on the conditions. Look at the 2nd link and you will see a floating ship in the air. Here is another floating ship. [link to www.google.com (secure)] A Fata Morgana can magnify a distant object and bring it closer. On a normal day you would not see the object or it would be small. When the conditions are right a Fata Morgana will project the object much larger and closer. Last Edited by Achduke7 on 01/09/2021 12:35 PM Achduke |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77599233 United States 01/09/2021 12:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If the earth is a globe, how is it possible that a photograph of the Alps in its splendor can be taken from the Pyrenees? A shill is an accomplice to a swindler, dumbass. You are exactly that. You are aiding and abetting the greatest swindle of all time: globe earth. Try again. A swindler? You mean like Eric Dubay, and the other con men that you Flatties fellate on a daily basis? BTW, learn how to use the quote function. It will make you look slightly less stupid. Eric Dubay (with his International Flat Earth Research Society) is one of the greatest purveyors of truth of the contemporary age. You are simply jealous that he has figured out the secrets that you and your masters try so desperately to hide. Maybe one day you will see the light and stop covering for the deceivers. Until then, I must tell you that my phone sometimes double quotes, so there is nothing I can really do about it. Stupidity has nothing to do with it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77599233 United States 01/09/2021 12:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If the earth is a globe, how is it possible that a photograph of the Alps in its splendor can be taken from the Pyrenees? ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77599233 Even if he says that, he is mistaken, since he is probably brainwashed into the globe earth model and thinks that it has to be refraction. But is was not. Btw, where did you get that quote from? I didn’t see it the first two times I read through the description. It is on the blog with the picture they took. From the OP 2nd post. Near the bottom. [link to beyond-horizons.org (secure)] Thanks. Got it. As previously stated, I think he is mistaken when he pinpoints refraction as the cause of the long sighting... AC233 do you know what a Fata Morgana is? [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] This is a similiar effect with refraction but changes more rapidly depending on the conditions. Look at the 2nd link and you will see a floating ship in the air. Here is another floating ship. [link to www.google.com (secure)] A Fata Morgana can magnify a distant object and bring it closer. On a normal day you would not see the object or it would be small. When the conditions are right a Fata Morgana will project the object much larger and closer. Two points: For a Fata Morgana to work, the object has to be in the line of sight already, I.e. it won’t work over the alleged curve. Second, the mirage appears OVER the horizon, not with the horizon. There is simply no way that the photograph was a mirage, but even if it WAS, there is no way that it would magnify objects over a purported horizon. Hence, the earth is flat. |
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Achduke7
User ID: 78515581 Romania 01/09/2021 12:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If the earth is a globe, how is it possible that a photograph of the Alps in its splendor can be taken from the Pyrenees? ... Quoting: Achduke7 It is on the blog with the picture they took. From the OP 2nd post. Near the bottom. [link to beyond-horizons.org (secure)] Thanks. Got it. As previously stated, I think he is mistaken when he pinpoints refraction as the cause of the long sighting... AC233 do you know what a Fata Morgana is? [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] This is a similiar effect with refraction but changes more rapidly depending on the conditions. Look at the 2nd link and you will see a floating ship in the air. Here is another floating ship. [link to www.google.com (secure)] A Fata Morgana can magnify a distant object and bring it closer. On a normal day you would not see the object or it would be small. When the conditions are right a Fata Morgana will project the object much larger and closer. Two points: For a Fata Morgana to work, the object has to be in the line of sight already, I.e. it won’t work over the alleged curve. Second, the mirage appears OVER the horizon, not with the horizon. There is simply no way that the photograph was a mirage, but even if it WAS, there is no way that it would magnify objects over a purported horizon. Hence, the earth is flat. A Fata Morgana raises an object in the distance that is barely viewable or not viewable at all up above the horizon often times distorting the image also. It does the same thing. Raises your view. In this case it makes ships look like they are floating. Last Edited by Achduke7 on 01/09/2021 12:56 PM Achduke |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77599233 United States 01/09/2021 12:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If the earth is a globe, how is it possible that a photograph of the Alps in its splendor can be taken from the Pyrenees? ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77599233 Thanks. Got it. As previously stated, I think he is mistaken when he pinpoints refraction as the cause of the long sighting... AC233 do you know what a Fata Morgana is? [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] This is a similiar effect with refraction but changes more rapidly depending on the conditions. Look at the 2nd link and you will see a floating ship in the air. Here is another floating ship. [link to www.google.com (secure)] A Fata Morgana can magnify a distant object and bring it closer. On a normal day you would not see the object or it would be small. When the conditions are right a Fata Morgana will project the object much larger and closer. Two points: For a Fata Morgana to work, the object has to be in the line of sight already, I.e. it won’t work over the alleged curve. Second, the mirage appears OVER the horizon, not with the horizon. There is simply no way that the photograph was a mirage, but even if it WAS, there is no way that it would magnify objects over a purported horizon. Hence, the earth is flat. A Fata Morgana raises an object in the distance that is barely viewable or not viewable at all up above the horizon often times distorting the image also. It does the same thing. Raises your view. In this case it makes ships look like they are floating. ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77599233 Thanks. Got it. As previously stated, I think he is mistaken when he pinpoints refraction as the cause of the long sighting... AC233 do you know what a Fata Morgana is? [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] This is a similiar effect with refraction but changes more rapidly depending on the conditions. Look at the 2nd link and you will see a floating ship in the air. Here is another floating ship. [link to www.google.com (secure)] A Fata Morgana can magnify a distant object and bring it closer. On a normal day you would not see the object or it would be small. When the conditions are right a Fata Morgana will project the object much larger and closer. Two points: For a Fata Morgana to work, the object has to be in the line of sight already, I.e. it won’t work over the alleged curve. Second, the mirage appears OVER the horizon, not with the horizon. There is simply no way that the photograph was a mirage, but even if it WAS, there is no way that it would magnify objects over a purported horizon. Hence, the earth is flat. A Fata Morgana raises an object in the distance that is barely viewable or not viewable at all up above the horizon often times distorting the image also. It does the same thing. Raises your view. In this case it makes ships look like they are floating. Yes that may be, but it still only works when the object is within the line of sight. But on a globe earth, the Pyrenees should not at all be within the line of sight. Hence, the earth is flat. |
St. Pete Traveler
User ID: 79725568 United States 01/09/2021 12:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If the earth is a globe, how is it possible that a photograph of the Alps in its splendor can be taken from the Pyrenees? I've said that before too, However, I don't believe it spins, doesn't make sense since the gravity needed to keep the oceans from flying off of the earth would be so great that we would not even be able to get up off of the floor, lol. Think about that one, lol. |
Achduke7
User ID: 78515581 Romania 01/09/2021 01:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If the earth is a globe, how is it possible that a photograph of the Alps in its splendor can be taken from the Pyrenees? ... Quoting: Achduke7 AC233 do you know what a Fata Morgana is? [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] This is a similiar effect with refraction but changes more rapidly depending on the conditions. Look at the 2nd link and you will see a floating ship in the air. Here is another floating ship. [link to www.google.com (secure)] A Fata Morgana can magnify a distant object and bring it closer. On a normal day you would not see the object or it would be small. When the conditions are right a Fata Morgana will project the object much larger and closer. Two points: For a Fata Morgana to work, the object has to be in the line of sight already, I.e. it won’t work over the alleged curve. Second, the mirage appears OVER the horizon, not with the horizon. There is simply no way that the photograph was a mirage, but even if it WAS, there is no way that it would magnify objects over a purported horizon. Hence, the earth is flat. A Fata Morgana raises an object in the distance that is barely viewable or not viewable at all up above the horizon often times distorting the image also. It does the same thing. Raises your view. In this case it makes ships look like they are floating. ... Quoting: Achduke7 AC233 do you know what a Fata Morgana is? [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] This is a similiar effect with refraction but changes more rapidly depending on the conditions. Look at the 2nd link and you will see a floating ship in the air. Here is another floating ship. [link to www.google.com (secure)] A Fata Morgana can magnify a distant object and bring it closer. On a normal day you would not see the object or it would be small. When the conditions are right a Fata Morgana will project the object much larger and closer. Two points: For a Fata Morgana to work, the object has to be in the line of sight already, I.e. it won’t work over the alleged curve. Second, the mirage appears OVER the horizon, not with the horizon. There is simply no way that the photograph was a mirage, but even if it WAS, there is no way that it would magnify objects over a purported horizon. Hence, the earth is flat. A Fata Morgana raises an object in the distance that is barely viewable or not viewable at all up above the horizon often times distorting the image also. It does the same thing. Raises your view. In this case it makes ships look like they are floating. Yes that may be, but it still only works when the object is within the line of sight. But on a globe earth, the Pyrenees should not at all be within the line of sight. Hence, the earth is flat. If refraction can raise a boat to look like it is hovering above the water why can it not raise a mount top to where you can then see it when it is normally not visable? Achduke |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77599233 United States 01/09/2021 01:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If the earth is a globe, how is it possible that a photograph of the Alps in its splendor can be taken from the Pyrenees? I've said that before too, However, I don't believe it spins, doesn't make sense since the gravity needed to keep the oceans from flying off of the earth would be so great that we would not even be able to get up off of the floor, lol. Think about that one, lol. You are right that it doesn’t spin. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77599233 United States 01/09/2021 01:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If the earth is a globe, how is it possible that a photograph of the Alps in its splendor can be taken from the Pyrenees? ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77599233 Two points: For a Fata Morgana to work, the object has to be in the line of sight already, I.e. it won’t work over the alleged curve. Second, the mirage appears OVER the horizon, not with the horizon. There is simply no way that the photograph was a mirage, but even if it WAS, there is no way that it would magnify objects over a purported horizon. Hence, the earth is flat. A Fata Morgana raises an object in the distance that is barely viewable or not viewable at all up above the horizon often times distorting the image also. It does the same thing. Raises your view. In this case it makes ships look like they are floating. ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77599233 Two points: For a Fata Morgana to work, the object has to be in the line of sight already, I.e. it won’t work over the alleged curve. Second, the mirage appears OVER the horizon, not with the horizon. There is simply no way that the photograph was a mirage, but even if it WAS, there is no way that it would magnify objects over a purported horizon. Hence, the earth is flat. A Fata Morgana raises an object in the distance that is barely viewable or not viewable at all up above the horizon often times distorting the image also. It does the same thing. Raises your view. In this case it makes ships look like they are floating. Yes that may be, but it still only works when the object is within the line of sight. But on a globe earth, the Pyrenees should not at all be within the line of sight. Hence, the earth is flat. If refraction can raise a boat to look like it is hovering above the water why can it not raise a mount top to where you can then see it when it is normally not visable? Because the initial image has to be within the line of sight. |
HarrySakk
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77599233 United States 01/09/2021 03:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If the earth is a globe, how is it possible that a photograph of the Alps in its splendor can be taken from the Pyrenees? Well you see, you take the refraction of the ionosphere and transpose the inverse negative radiometry of globe earth and then you blah blah blah - subjugate the goy. Quoting: HarrySakk Well you see, you take the refraction of the ionosphere and transpose the inverse negative radiometry of globe earth and then you blah blah blah - subjugate the goy. Quoting: HarrySakk |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79883256 United Kingdom 01/09/2021 03:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If the earth is a globe, how is it possible that a photograph of the Alps in its splendor can be taken from the Pyrenees? I've said that before too, However, I don't believe it spins, doesn't make sense since the gravity needed to keep the oceans from flying off of the earth would be so great that we would not even be able to get up off of the floor, lol. Think about that one, lol. You are right that it doesn’t spin. you know humans are mostly made of water? You do know The total molecular weight of water is only 18 grams. also air pressure and the attraction of each individual molecule to the center of mass and each other keeps the oceans in place. Mass of the earth gives a greater attractive force than that of the earth tuning slowly once every 24 hours..you will no doubt say but, but 1000mph......that is nothing speed is relative. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77599233 United States 01/09/2021 03:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If the earth is a globe, how is it possible that a photograph of the Alps in its splendor can be taken from the Pyrenees? I've said that before too, However, I don't believe it spins, doesn't make sense since the gravity needed to keep the oceans from flying off of the earth would be so great that we would not even be able to get up off of the floor, lol. Think about that one, lol. You are right that it doesn’t spin. you know humans are mostly made of water? You do know The total molecular weight of water is only 18 grams. also air pressure and the attraction of each individual molecule to the center of mass and each other keeps the oceans in place. Mass of the earth gives a greater attractive force than that of the earth tuning slowly once every 24 hours..you will no doubt say but, but 1000mph......that is nothing speed is relative. The oceans stay in place because the earth is flat. There is no gravity—only density and buoyancy. |
kpow
User ID: 78348454 United States 01/09/2021 03:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If the earth is a globe, how is it possible that a photograph of the Alps in its splendor can be taken from the Pyrenees? I just posted a thread about this this morning that was deleted. I wonder why? Maybe it’s because the moderators here are helping to cover up one of the greatest deceptions in modern history: ball earth. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77922972 Anyway, the Alps are over 275 miles from the Pyrenees. Based on the curvature calculation for Earth, the Alps should be completely obscured by the curvature, yet they are visible. Here is a curvature calculator: [link to dizzib.github.io (secure)] Earth is not flat. Earth is not a globe. Earth is a square, a cube. Bizzaro World. |
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Hartz
User ID: 79799033 United States 01/09/2021 04:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If the earth is a globe, how is it possible that a photograph of the Alps in its splendor can be taken from the Pyrenees? I just posted a thread about this this morning that was deleted. I wonder why? Maybe it’s because the moderators here are helping to cover up one of the greatest deceptions in modern history: ball earth. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77922972 Anyway, the Alps are over 275 miles from the Pyrenees. Based on the curvature calculation for Earth, the Alps should be completely obscured by the curvature, yet they are visible. Here is a curvature calculator: [link to dizzib.github.io (secure)] Earth is not flat. Earth is not a globe. Earth is a square, a cube. Bizzaro World. No, the earth is flat. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79883256 United Kingdom 01/09/2021 04:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If the earth is a globe, how is it possible that a photograph of the Alps in its splendor can be taken from the Pyrenees? ... Quoting: St. Pete Traveler I've said that before too, However, I don't believe it spins, doesn't make sense since the gravity needed to keep the oceans from flying off of the earth would be so great that we would not even be able to get up off of the floor, lol. Think about that one, lol. You are right that it doesn’t spin. you know humans are mostly made of water? You do know The total molecular weight of water is only 18 grams. also air pressure and the attraction of each individual molecule to the center of mass and each other keeps the oceans in place. Mass of the earth gives a greater attractive force than that of the earth tuning slowly once every 24 hours..you will no doubt say but, but 1000mph......that is nothing speed is relative. The oceans stay in place because the earth is flat. There is no gravity—only density and buoyancy. ROFL Explain Tidal forces and orbital bodies if no gravity. Explain objects falling in a vacuum chamber? Density does not give you a downward vector. What gives things Mass? no it not density. |
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Hartz
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79883256 United Kingdom 01/09/2021 04:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If the earth is a globe, how is it possible that a photograph of the Alps in its splendor can be taken from the Pyrenees? you know humans are mostly made of water? You do know The total molecular weight of water is only 18 grams. also air pressure and the attraction of each individual molecule to the center of mass and each other keeps the oceans in place. Mass of the earth gives a greater attractive force than that of the earth tuning slowly once every 24 hours..you will no doubt say but, but 1000mph......that is nothing speed is relative. The oceans stay in place because the earth is flat. There is no gravity—only density and buoyancy. ROFL Explain Tidal forces and orbital bodies if no gravity. Explain objects falling in a vacuum chamber? Density does not give you a downward vector. What gives things Mass? no it not density. Why is the air pressure in my house the same as outside? why does this pressure drop the higher you go from sea level? if you removed the atmosphere would you float off the planet? Because that what you saying. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79799033 United States 01/09/2021 04:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: If the earth is a globe, how is it possible that a photograph of the Alps in its splendor can be taken from the Pyrenees? you know humans are mostly made of water? You do know The total molecular weight of water is only 18 grams. also air pressure and the attraction of each individual molecule to the center of mass and each other keeps the oceans in place. Mass of the earth gives a greater attractive force than that of the earth tuning slowly once every 24 hours..you will no doubt say but, but 1000mph......that is nothing speed is relative. The oceans stay in place because the earth is flat. There is no gravity—only density and buoyancy. ROFL Explain Tidal forces and orbital bodies if no gravity. Explain objects falling in a vacuum chamber? Density does not give you a downward vector. What gives things Mass? no it not density. Tidal forces are caused by the ebb and flow of water at the magnetic mountain at the North Pole. Orbital bodies exist due to the electromagnetic flux of earth and its atmosphere. Objects fall in a vacuum chamber because their density is greater than the surroundings: that density does in fact give the downward vector. Mass is not caused by density, but they are interrelated. |