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If the earth is a globe, how is it possible that a photograph of the Alps in its splendor can be taken from the Pyrenees?

 
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true but by a far smaller amount than 50,000 feet and well in to the range where refraction could account for the observation which is why it doesn't happen every day which the person that took the photo said.
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Nope. He was talking about VISIBILITY.

And the Earth is FLAT.

So the calculations for the SphereOIDS becomes a MUTE point.

At THAT distance, 275 miles, the RELATIVE heights of the source & target have ALMOST ZERO impact.

So the ALPS should be 35,000 below the HORIZON...

Which is CLEARLY NOT the situation.

SphereOID DELUSION over!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75203286


I believe the word you meant was "moot" point. And observer height still matters. The higher the observer, the less is hidden behind the curve.
For a viewer with his head on the ground at zero feet then 50,000 feet would be hidden behind the horizon. But for the observer height of 2820 meters (or about 9250 feet) as stated by 79799033, the amount hidden behind the horizon at 275 miles is a little over 16,000 feet.
But thanks for proving you don't understand the subject.
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Only a TOTAL moron would try to make THAT assertion.

Bullshill.

The MAXIMUM you would would hide GENIUS would be the DELTA between the elevation of the observer and the MAXIMUM elevation of the OBSERVED.

Which NETS out to some thing like...

OVER 275 miles is INCONSEQUENTIAL.

And it's for reasons like THAT...

That YOU think the Earth is a SphereOID.

If you are confused DRAW yourself a LITTLE triangle and POPULATE with it with the specifics.

AEIOU...

Cuz you OBVIOUSLY need the help.
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And you still don't understand the subject. How sad for you.
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Nope. He was talking about VISIBILITY.

And the Earth is FLAT.

So the calculations for the SphereOIDS becomes a MUTE point.

At THAT distance, 275 miles, the RELATIVE heights of the source & target have ALMOST ZERO impact.

So the ALPS should be 35,000 below the HORIZON...

Which is CLEARLY NOT the situation.

SphereOID DELUSION over!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75203286


I believe the word you meant was "moot" point. And observer height still matters. The higher the observer, the less is hidden behind the curve.
For a viewer with his head on the ground at zero feet then 50,000 feet would be hidden behind the horizon. But for the observer height of 2820 meters (or about 9250 feet) as stated by 79799033, the amount hidden behind the horizon at 275 miles is a little over 16,000 feet.
But thanks for proving you don't understand the subject.
 Quoting: LHP598


Only a TOTAL moron would try to make THAT assertion.

Bullshill.

The MAXIMUM you would would hide GENIUS would be the DELTA between the elevation of the observer and the MAXIMUM elevation of the OBSERVED.

Which NETS out to some thing like...

OVER 275 miles is INCONSEQUENTIAL.

And it's for reasons like THAT...

That YOU think the Earth is a SphereOID.

If you are confused DRAW yourself a LITTLE triangle and POPULATE with it with the specifics.

AEIOU...

Cuz you OBVIOUSLY need the help.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75203286


And you still don't understand the subject. How sad for you.
 Quoting: LHP598


BOTH Grand Ferrand and I are THUMBING our noses at you.

What you HAVE exposed is you are using 'tools' and concepts that you SIMPLY DO NOT UNDERSTAND.

The FACT that you are INCAPABLE of understanding the TRUE significance of 1,283,040 to 1,452,000 feet compared to the MINISCULE adjustments in 'viewing' angles is IRREFUTABLE.

Looks like it turns out that I was right ALL along...

I scored a DIRECT HIT on your MUTE button!

LOL.

Talking to MORAINES like YOU NEVER ceases to AMAZE me...

They want to TELL ME... ALL about the Sun being 93,000,000 miles away...

And I just laugh, because it takes up a FULL 2 degrees in the SKY!

This SphereOID thing is SO laughable...

Unfortunately, it can only be shared with a TINY portion of...

THINKING!!! people.

AND... THAT excludes most of youall.

And TRUE APOLOGIES...

For the BLOOD SPLATTERS.

It was a bit of a massacre.

:)
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I believe the word you meant was "moot" point. And observer height still matters. The higher the observer, the less is hidden behind the curve.
For a viewer with his head on the ground at zero feet then 50,000 feet would be hidden behind the horizon. But for the observer height of 2820 meters (or about 9250 feet) as stated by 79799033, the amount hidden behind the horizon at 275 miles is a little over 16,000 feet.
But thanks for proving you don't understand the subject.
 Quoting: LHP598


Only a TOTAL moron would try to make THAT assertion.

Bullshill.

The MAXIMUM you would would hide GENIUS would be the DELTA between the elevation of the observer and the MAXIMUM elevation of the OBSERVED.

Which NETS out to some thing like...

OVER 275 miles is INCONSEQUENTIAL.

And it's for reasons like THAT...

That YOU think the Earth is a SphereOID.

If you are confused DRAW yourself a LITTLE triangle and POPULATE with it with the specifics.

AEIOU...

Cuz you OBVIOUSLY need the help.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75203286


And you still don't understand the subject. How sad for you.
 Quoting: LHP598


BOTH Grand Ferrand and I are THUMBING our noses at you.

What you HAVE exposed is you are using 'tools' and concepts that you SIMPLY DO NOT UNDERSTAND.

The FACT that you are INCAPABLE of understanding the TRUE significance of 1,283,040 to 1,452,000 feet compared to the MINISCULE adjustments in 'viewing' angles is IRREFUTABLE.

Looks like it turns out that I was right ALL along...

I scored a DIRECT HIT on your MUTE button!

LOL.

Talking to MORAINES like YOU NEVER ceases to AMAZE me...

They want to TELL ME... ALL about the Sun being 93,000,000 miles away...

And I just laugh, because it takes up a FULL 2 degrees in the SKY!

This SphereOID thing is SO laughable...

Unfortunately, it can only be shared with a TINY portion of...

THINKING!!! people.

AND... THAT excludes most of youall.

And TRUE APOLOGIES...

For the BLOOD SPLATTERS.

It was a bit of a massacre.

:)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75203286

The fact that you don't understand that that the higher the observer, the farther the horizon, and the less hidden behind the horizon is humorous. Just keep proving you don't understand the subject.

And by the way, the Sun takes up 1/2 of a degree in the sky. But that's a MOOT point.
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:flt rth:
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You’re using the wrong cosmology, which makes YOU look like the idiot. There is no heliocentrism with the flat earth model...
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hesrightclappa

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clappa
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THATs harsh.

It just seems a CAMERA/Video recorder would have been good enough?
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What can I say? God don't like stupid....Flat Earthers are trying to deliberately make you think like a fucking idiot so that happens to you, not them. Still seem "harsh" now?
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Its a very simple logical proof:

1. You claim the earth is flat

2. If 1 holds then that means the ENTIRE surface of the earth must lie on the same plane, because that's what "flat" means

3. If 2 holds true, then this means that any unobscured point of the flat plane should be visible from elevation, ESPECIALLY other elevated points.

Just like you can see all the unblocked skyscrapers in a downtown area from the roof of another skyscraper.

4. If 3 is true, this MUST MEAN that all the peaks of all the tallest mountain ranges are visible to us as long as they're unobstructed.

5. You claim there is some "mysterious haze" that prevents this, but this is defeated by the simple fact that the Sun, Moon, and stars are ALL VISIBLE on the horizon.

6. Number 5 means that EVERYTHING BETWEEN THE STARS, SUN, MOON AND US MUST BE VISIBLE.

7. Since this is NOT WHAT WE OBSERVE, the Earth CANNOT be flat.

There you go, a simple proof that you're wrong and can't admit it now.
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clappahesright


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clappa
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THATs harsh.

It just seems a CAMERA/Video recorder would have been good enough?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75203286


What can I say? God don't like stupid....Flat Earthers are trying to deliberately make you think like a fucking idiot so that happens to you, not them. Still seem "harsh" now?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79030242
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Live earth from space.


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I believe the word you meant was "moot" point. And observer height still matters. The higher the observer, the less is hidden behind the curve.
For a viewer with his head on the ground at zero feet then 50,000 feet would be hidden behind the horizon. But for the observer height of 2820 meters (or about 9250 feet) as stated by 79799033, the amount hidden behind the horizon at 275 miles is a little over 16,000 feet.
But thanks for proving you don't understand the subject.
 Quoting: LHP598


Only a TOTAL moron would try to make THAT assertion.

Bullshill.

The MAXIMUM you would would hide GENIUS would be the DELTA between the elevation of the observer and the MAXIMUM elevation of the OBSERVED.

Which NETS out to some thing like...

OVER 275 miles is INCONSEQUENTIAL.

And it's for reasons like THAT...

That YOU think the Earth is a SphereOID.

If you are confused DRAW yourself a LITTLE triangle and POPULATE with it with the specifics.

AEIOU...

Cuz you OBVIOUSLY need the help.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75203286


And you still don't understand the subject. How sad for you.
 Quoting: LHP598


BOTH Grand Ferrand and I are THUMBING our noses at you.

What you HAVE exposed is you are using 'tools' and concepts that you SIMPLY DO NOT UNDERSTAND.

The FACT that you are INCAPABLE of understanding the TRUE significance of 1,283,040 to 1,452,000 feet compared to the MINISCULE adjustments in 'viewing' angles is IRREFUTABLE.

Looks like it turns out that I was right ALL along...

I scored a DIRECT HIT on your MUTE button!

LOL.

Talking to MORAINES like YOU NEVER ceases to AMAZE me...

They want to TELL ME... ALL about the Sun being 93,000,000 miles away...

And I just laugh, because it takes up a FULL 2 degrees in the SKY!

This SphereOID thing is SO laughable...

Unfortunately, it can only be shared with a TINY portion of...

THINKING!!! people.

AND... THAT excludes most of youall.

And TRUE APOLOGIES...

For the BLOOD SPLATTERS.

It was a bit of a massacre.

:)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75203286


You are crazy in a bad way, lol.
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Live earth from space.


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Clearly its round.
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Live earth from space.


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Clearly its round.
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Obviously NASA, ESA and every other space agency are liars.

Even the Russians are propagating this hoax.

Who can you trust when you cannot even trust your old cold war rivals?

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The longest sideline on earth is about 335 miles long.
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Proper equation for calculation is 1.23 * sqrt of height for how many miles of visibility due to the 8 inch drop per mile.

Therefore an object 275 miles away should be seen from an elevation of 114k ft. Considering the Alps are only 15k ft high, I'm stumped. I might have messed up my math - please check.
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Proper equation for calculation is 1.23 * sqrt of height for how many miles of visibility due to the 8 inch drop per mile.

Therefore an object 275 miles away should be seen from an elevation of 114k ft. Considering the Alps are only 15k ft high, I'm stumped. I might have messed up my math - please check.
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Here is the formula to calculate the distance to the horizon from an object.

sq[(r + h)² - r²]

r=Radius of earth in Miles.
h=Height of observation in Miles.

Elevation of Finestrelles, Pyrenees is 9,272 feet.
9272 feet in Miles = 1.756061 Miles

The Elevation of Gaspard, Alps is 12,730 feet.
12,730 feet in miles = 2.4109848 Miles


(r) Earth Radius = 3,958.8 Miles
(h) Pyrenees = 1.756061 Miles

Horizon=sq[(r + h)² - r²]
Horizon=sq[(3,958.8 + 1.756061)² - 3,958.8²]
Horizon=sq[3960.556061² - 3,958.8²]
Horizon=sq[15686004.312323836 - 15672097.44]
Horizon=sq[13906.872323836]
Horizon=117.927402769 Miles from an elevation of 9,272 feet


Obscured=sq(a² - 2ad + d² + r²) - r
Where a=horizon
d=distance to object (275 Miles)
r=radius of earth

Obscured=sq(117.927402769² - 2*(117.927402769)*(275+) (275)² + 3,958.8²) - 3,958.8

Obscured=sq(13906.872323842 - 64860.07152295 + 75625 + 15672097.44) - 3,958.8

Obscured=sq(15696769.240800892) - 3,958.8

Obscured=sq(15696769.240800892) - 3,958.8

Obscured=3961.914845223 - 3,958.8

Obscured = 3.114845223 Miles high or 16446.38277744 Feet.


Obscured=16446.38277744-12,730 Feet

Obscured = 3716.38277744 feet still below the horizon without refraction.

So basically without like refraction you should not be able to see the Alps but the photographer said this in the original post.
Here is the photograph:
[link to beyond-horizons.org (secure)]

To his left, other peaks of the Alps we also seen. Refractive favorable circumstances allowed to view some other peaks, even that more distant than the Barre des Ecrins. Pic Gaspard, 443 Km, is what has given us this time the brand new World Record of distant photograph of landscapes in our planet.
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Refraction is the key here. Without it the Alps viewing would be 3716.38 feet short.


read the web page at [link to www.omnicalculator.com (secure)]

It talks all about the formulas and refraction.

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Here is a wiki on refraction.


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It's not the air it's the moisture in the air the humidity isn't it
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It’s not refraction!
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It’s not refraction!
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So the photographer in the OP lied?
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It’s not refraction!
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So the photographer in the OP lied?
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Why are you saying that he lied?
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It’s not refraction!
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So the photographer in the OP lied?
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Why are you saying that he lied?
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It’s not refraction!
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So the photographer in the OP lied?
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Why are you saying that he lied?
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specialstupid
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ST37, you are projecting again.
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So the photographer in the OP lied?
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Why are you saying that he lied?
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specialstupid
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ST37, you are projecting again.
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So the photographer in the OP lied?
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Why are you saying that he lied?
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specialstupid
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ST37, you are projecting again.
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He does that all the time—calling people fucktards and dimwits when that is exactly what he is.
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It’s not refraction!
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So the photographer in the OP lied?
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Why are you saying that he lied?
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Because the photographer said he was using refraction to try and achieve world record photographs for distance.
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It’s not refraction!
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So the photographer in the OP lied?
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Why are you saying that he lied?
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Because the photographer said he was using refraction to try and achieve world record photographs for distance.
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Where does he say that?
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Valley inbetween?
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So the photographer in the OP lied?
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Why are you saying that he lied?
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Because the photographer said he was using refraction to try and achieve world record photographs for distance.
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Where does he say that?
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To his left, other peaks of the Alps we also seen. Refractive favorable circumstances allowed to view some other peaks, even that more distant than the Barre des Ecrins. Pic Gaspard, 443 Km, is what has given us this time the brand new World Record of distant photograph of landscapes in our planet.
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Why are you saying that he lied?
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Because the photographer said he was using refraction to try and achieve world record photographs for distance.
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Where does he say that?
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To his left, other peaks of the Alps we also seen. Refractive favorable circumstances allowed to view some other peaks, even that more distant than the Barre des Ecrins. Pic Gaspard, 443 Km, is what has given us this time the brand new World Record of distant photograph of landscapes in our planet.
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Even if he says that, he is mistaken, since he is probably brainwashed into the globe earth model and thinks that it has to be refraction.

But is was not.

Btw, where did you get that quote from? I didn’t see it the first two times I read through the description.
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:flt rth:
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Earth is a big as Venus and Mars is smaller. This is clearly wrong!
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