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This below thread triggered me into this Thundering Tuesday Mezzorant:

Thread: Election Official Rips Up Votes

And my specific reply, so I don't have to repeat that here:

Thread: Election Official Rips Up Votes (Page 3)

This is just one example of how we are fooled, framed, fucked and fired up against each other. And I am talking on a global level, not just from a USA perspective, as much as they are in the heated spotlights these days. It is your own choice to read this rant or not. It probably is too long for some people's liking. No problem. You are the master of your own time and thoughts.

We used to investigate things like these on this site, but we don't anymore. Instead we listen and look at one liner Tell Sell politicians, on either side of the aisle, who are nothing but marketeers with their own agenda, who praise their goods and preach their beliefs through 24/7 media channels, including all social media outlets and we gobble up every video and "breaking news" item as being the truth. And in the meantime we degrade, ridicule, abuse and wish each other illnesses and death for having a different opinion or questioning what is presented. People who we are friends with, on our buddy list, in our neighborhood. What the hell are we doing??

Wake the fuck up people. We are being harvested, like AI robots. These guys with their double agendas, politicians on either side of the spectrum and not just in the USA, media moguls, billionaires etc., are able to sell the Pope a double bed and a wedding ring. But does that mean there is a wedding planned at the Vatican?

Our neighbor, whether they voted red, blue, black, white or yellow, is not our enemy. These marketeers and their Tell Sell channels are. Social media, where every idiot with a smartphone can create, edit, cut and paste a video and sell it as the truth, just for the sake of getting likes and visibility. People don’t do that out of strong beliefs, that they will defend till the end, they do it to belong to a community, to be heard, seen, liked.

At the start of Fox News in 1996, Roger Ailes, whatever your personal opinion is of him, said: "People don't want to be informed, they want to féél informed."

I get that this site has transformed to a political forum and a Trump stronghold in the past years. I don't like that transformation, not because of the political side, but because of the shift from an objective investigating forum to a mainly political forum. Because the damage it has done to our community, our society and our inter human relations and the division it created among us. It brought us to the verge of destruction and makes you wonder how long this forum can still exist as an independent, truth seeking voice. Wake the fuck up!

I understand and respect people being angry, upset and frustrated with the current events. As I also understand, on a public forum with thousands of visitors, there are those, the digital schoolyard bullies, who intentionally spread doubt, hate and division with their posts and continuous repetitive and abusive memes. And also on there, people follow like sheep, without checking what is right or not and join in on the abuse or a different opinion. And if it gets too heated, those opinions are being reported as abusive or people are banned, because it doesn't fit the current narrative. Many of us have drifted so far from our core.Is that how we want to remembered and live our lives? Be surrounded by negative energy?

We used to complement and motivate each other, investigate together to try and get the truth above water, respect two sides of the medal, compliment each other for the job well done. Now we get nasty with each other, demand proof that proof is fake and give out anonymous red karma, in line with the current atmosphere on GLP.

We used to fact check our information. Now we mostly rely on fact check sites and biased media channels, twitter and edited videos, again, on either side of the aisle. We have become lazy and believe what we hear or see. Since when did we become like that?

I will say it again. Our neighbor is not our enemy. It is healthy to have heated discussions about whatever subject, like it was already for ages before the digital era. This modern age Box of Pandora that the internet and media have become, has made it a game changer. Maybe it is time to rely more on our own instincts and get into normalized and even healthy heated discussion again, instead of letting our mood, opinion and attitude be determined by those who are only interested in getting the biggest market share, in order to control me, you and everyone else.

So wake the fuck up people! Get organized, not divided, above politics, above color, above lifestyle. Let's be our own judge and investigate again. Get angry about injustice, but find balance back between online and offline. There are more than enough parrots in this world. Disclaimer: Figure of speech. No actual parrots were meant in that last statement. Parrots Lives Matter.

/Thundering Tuesday Mezzorant

Last Edited by InterMezzo on 11/10/2020 06:55 AM
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This below thread triggered me into this Thundering Tuesday Mezzorant:

Thread: Election Official Rips Up Votes

And my specific reply, so I don't have to repeat that here:

Thread: Election Official Rips Up Votes (Page 3)

This is just one example of how we are fooled, framed, fucked and fired up against each other. And I am talking on a global level, not just from a USA perspective, as much as they are in the heated spotlights these days. It is your own choice to read this rant or not. It probably is too long for some people's liking. No problem. You are the master of your own time and thoughts.

We used to investigate things like these on this site, but we don't anymore. Instead we listen and look at one liner Tell Sell politicians, on either side of the aisle, who are nothing but marketeers with their own agenda, who praise their goods and preach their beliefs through 24/7 media channels, including all social media outlets and we gobble up every video and "breaking news" item as being the truth. And in the meantime we degrade, ridicule, abuse and wish each other illnesses and death for having a different opinion or questioning what is presented. People who we are friends with, on our buddy list, in our neighborhood. What the hell are we doing??

Wake the fuck up people. We are being harvested, like AI robots. These guys with their double agendas, politicians on either side of the spectrum and not just in the USA, media moguls, billionaires etc., are able to sell the Pope a double bed and a wedding ring. But does that mean there is a wedding planned at the Vatican?

Our neighbor, whether they voted red, blue, black, white or yellow, is not our enemy. These marketeers and their Tell Sell channels are. Social media, where every idiot with a smartphone can create, edit, cut and paste a video and sell it as the truth, just for the sake of getting likes and visibility. People don’t do that out of strong beliefs, that they will defend till the end, they do it to belong to a community, to be heard, seen, liked.

At the start of Fox News in 1996, Roger Ailes said: "People don't want to be informed, they want to feel informed."

I get that this site has transformed to a political forum and a Trump stronghold in the past years. I don't like that transformation, not because of the political side, but because of the shift from an objective investigating forum to a mainly political forum. Because the damage it has done to our community, our society and our inter human relations and the division it created among us. It brought us to the verge of destruction and makes you wonder how long before this forum gets erased. Wake the fuck up!

I understand and respect people being angry, upset and frustrated with the current events. As I also understand, on a public forum with thousands of visitors, there are those who intentionally spread doubt, hate and division with their posts and continuous repetitive and abusive memes. And also on there, people follow like sheep, without checking what is right or not and join in on the abuse or a different opinion. And if it gets too heated, those opinions are being reported as abusive or people are banned, because it doesn't fit the current narrative. Is that how we want and need to live together?

We used to complement and motivate each other, investigate together to try and get the truth above water, respect two sides of the medal, compliment each other for the job well done. Now we get nasty with each other, demand proof that proof is fake and give out anonymous red karma, in line with the current atmosphere on GLP.

We used to fact check our information. Now we mostly rely on fact check sites and biased media channels, twitter and edited videos, again, on either side of the aisle. We have become lazy and believe what we hear or see. Since when did we become like that?

I will say it again. Your neighbor is not your enemy. It is healthy to have discussions about whatever subject, like it was already for centuries. The media has made it a game changer. Maybe it is time to rely more on your own instincts and neighbor again and get into normalized discussion again, instead of letting your mood, opinion and attitude be determined by those who are only interested in getting the biggest market share, in order to control me, you and everyone else.

So wake the fuck up people! Get organized, not divided, above politics, above color, above lifestyle. Be your own judge and investigate. Get angry about injustice, but find balance back between online and offline. There are more than enough parrots in this world. Disclaimer: Figure of speech. No actual parrots were meant in that last statement. Parrots Lives Matter.

/Thundering Tuesday Mezzorant
 Quoting: InterMezzo


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People need to get out more. Turn of the TV, put down the phone. Talk a walk through nature.

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Generally speaking every person has the ability to think, gather information and apply reason in order to manifest their reality. Clearly we are seeing people that seem to be irrational in their reasoning ability.

When a mind reaches a firm conclusion on the attributes of any subject, they have effectively modified the functionality of said mind. There are many ways of achieving these conclusions, but the longer they go unchallenged the more entrenched they become.

Many people have become so attached to certain philosophical perspectives they consider differing perspectives as unacceptable and will do whatever possible even resorting to physical violence to eliminate all traces of the offending viewpoint from their environment.

I submit that if any individual has arrived at the conclusion that your beliefs are unacceptable whether you like it or not you must either submit to their wishes, oppose them or just move farther away.

This repeats itself ad infinitum throughout history.
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Parrots Lives Matter.
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This below thread triggered me into this Thundering Tuesday Mezzorant:

Thread: Election Official Rips Up Votes

And my specific reply, so I don't have to repeat that here:

Thread: Election Official Rips Up Votes (Page 3)

This is just one example of how we are fooled, framed, fucked and fired up against each other. And I am talking on a global level, not just from a USA perspective, as much as they are in the heated spotlights these days. It is your own choice to read this rant or not. It probably is too long for some people's liking. No problem. You are the master of your own time and thoughts.

We used to investigate things like these on this site, but we don't anymore. Instead we listen and look at one liner Tell Sell politicians, on either side of the aisle, who are nothing but marketeers with their own agenda, who praise their goods and preach their beliefs through 24/7 media channels, including all social media outlets and we gobble up every video and "breaking news" item as being the truth. And in the meantime we degrade, ridicule, abuse and wish each other illnesses and death for having a different opinion or questioning what is presented. People who we are friends with, on our buddy list, in our neighborhood. What the hell are we doing??

Wake the fuck up people. We are being harvested, like AI robots. These guys with their double agendas, politicians on either side of the spectrum and not just in the USA, media moguls, billionaires etc., are able to sell the Pope a double bed and a wedding ring. But does that mean there is a wedding planned at the Vatican?

Our neighbor, whether they voted red, blue, black, white or yellow, is not our enemy. These marketeers and their Tell Sell channels are. Social media, where every idiot with a smartphone can create, edit, cut and paste a video and sell it as the truth, just for the sake of getting likes and visibility. People don’t do that out of strong beliefs, that they will defend till the end, they do it to belong to a community, to be heard, seen, liked.

At the start of Fox News in 1996, Roger Ailes, whatever your personal opinion is of him, said: "People don't want to be informed, they want to féél informed."

I get that this site has transformed to a political forum and a Trump stronghold in the past years. I don't like that transformation, not because of the political side, but because of the shift from an objective investigating forum to a mainly political forum. Because the damage it has done to our community, our society and our inter human relations and the division it created among us. It brought us to the verge of destruction and makes you wonder how long this forum can still exist as an independent, truth seeking voice. Wake the fuck up!

I understand and respect people being angry, upset and frustrated with the current events. As I also understand, on a public forum with thousands of visitors, there are those, the digital schoolyard bullies, who intentionally spread doubt, hate and division with their posts and continuous repetitive and abusive memes. And also on there, people follow like sheep, without checking what is right or not and join in on the abuse or a different opinion. And if it gets too heated, those opinions are being reported as abusive or people are banned, because it doesn't fit the current narrative. Many of us have drifted so far from our core.Is that how we want to remembered and live our lives? Be surrounded by negative energy?

We used to complement and motivate each other, investigate together to try and get the truth above water, respect two sides of the medal, compliment each other for the job well done. Now we get nasty with each other, demand proof that proof is fake and give out anonymous red karma, in line with the current atmosphere on GLP.

We used to fact check our information. Now we mostly rely on fact check sites and biased media channels, twitter and edited videos, again, on either side of the aisle. We have become lazy and believe what we hear or see. Since when did we become like that?

I will say it again. Our neighbor is not our enemy. It is healthy to have heated discussions about whatever subject, like it was already for ages before the digital era. This modern age Box of Pandora that the internet and media have become, has made it a game changer. Maybe it is time to rely more on our own instincts and get into normalized and even healthy heated discussion again, instead of letting our mood, opinion and attitude be determined by those who are only interested in getting the biggest market share, in order to control me, you and everyone else.

So wake the fuck up people! Get organized, not divided, above politics, above color, above lifestyle. Let's be our own judge and investigate again. Get angry about injustice, but find balance back between online and offline. There are more than enough parrots in this world. Disclaimer: Figure of speech. No actual parrots were meant in that last statement. Parrots Lives Matter.

/Thundering Tuesday Mezzorant
 Quoting: InterMezzo


Hey Mezzo, a lot of us still do. I know you are one of them. It just seems as if now a lot of solving the world's problems goes on more behind the scenes. But yes, the angry divisive rhetoric is frustrating on the boards..it's why I rarely venture out there any more. I am so very grateful for the members past and present who I still am able to civilly debate and learn from!
Thank you so much for putting this out there

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Good post and some comments; and nicely put.

Oftentimes, people are more interested in getting their voice out there, they have hardly taken the time to consider what the Post really said. The same is true when you talk with many people. They are so focused on what they want to say, and their opinions/thoughts into the discussion, they lose sight of what the conversation is about; they are too busy repeating their question over and over again in the head. They then interrupt the conversation without any concern for the person that is talking. Their excuse is often that rather than forgetting what they want to say, they jump in.

I learned many years ago that if you are so focused on getting your 2-cents worth into the conversation, that you are so enamored with your point of you, you will miss out on what the speaker is trying to convey; and miss out on learning something you didn't already know, whether it be new information or an insight into the speaker's motives and point of view; be that good or bad. If you are patient with people, yes you may forget what you want to interject; but usually, your question or comment will come back around and you'll get another chance to ask your question, and without interrupting the other party. If you never do recall the question that came to mind, then perhaps your question wasn't all that important after all.

There is such a rush to Post the latest greatest headline that many don't bother with qualifying the information beforehand. GLP is a victim of its own success. More insightful Posts and Threads were more commonplace years ago; but there were fewer people competing to get on, and stay on, the 1st page; or risk being tossed aside as yesterday's news.

Red karmas are also thrown about, sometimes without taking the time to really understand what was posted.

I don't see an easy solution but perhaps people should start using the categories more so such that political news isn't overtaken by UFOs, and health matters are displaced by cute cat tricks??

Shills are always a problem but how do you displace them without stepping on the rights of dissenting points of views?
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Good post Mezzo.
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Generally speaking every person has the ability to think, gather information and apply reason in order to manifest their reality. Clearly we are seeing people that seem to be irrational in their reasoning ability.

When a mind reaches a firm conclusion on the attributes of any subject, they have effectively modified the functionality of said mind. There are many ways of achieving these conclusions, but the longer they go unchallenged the more entrenched they become.

Many people have become so attached to certain philosophical perspectives they consider differing perspectives as unacceptable and will do whatever possible even resorting to physical violence to eliminate all traces of the offending viewpoint from their environment.

I submit that if any individual has arrived at the conclusion that your beliefs are unacceptable whether you like it or not you must either submit to their wishes, oppose them or just move farther away.

This repeats itself ad infinitum throughout history.
 Quoting: scimitar


Thanks for your well put psychological insight. I totally agree that when time progresses without counter opinion, their conclusion is the only possible outcome. When they are convinced that black is actually white, there's no reasoning against it. I guess we deal with that on here as well.

Thanks again. I appreciate your words my friend. hf
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Hey Mezzo, a lot of us still do. I know you are one of them. It just seems as if now a lot of solving the world's problems goes on more behind the scenes. But yes, the angry divisive rhetoric is frustrating on the boards..it's why I rarely venture out there any more. I am so very grateful for the members past and present who I still am able to civilly debate and learn from!
Thank you so much for putting this out there

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Thank YOU my dear DB. I know you are a voice of reason and one to investigate. You have a beautiful and open mind. hugs
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Good post and some comments; and nicely put.

Oftentimes, people are more interested in getting their voice out there, they have hardly taken the time to consider what the Post really said. The same is true when you talk with many people. They are so focused on what they want to say, and their opinions/thoughts into the discussion, they lose sight of what the conversation is about; they are too busy repeating their question over and over again in the head. They then interrupt the conversation without any concern for the person that is talking. Their excuse is often that rather than forgetting what they want to say, they jump in.

I learned many years ago that if you are so focused on getting your 2-cents worth into the conversation, that you are so enamored with your point of you, you will miss out on what the speaker is trying to convey; and miss out on learning something you didn't already know, whether it be new information or an insight into the speaker's motives and point of view; be that good or bad. If you are patient with people, yes you may forget what you want to interject; but usually, your question or comment will come back around and you'll get another chance to ask your question, and without interrupting the other party. If you never do recall the question that came to mind, then perhaps your question wasn't all that important after all.

There is such a rush to Post the latest greatest headline that many don't bother with qualifying the information beforehand. GLP is a victim of its own success. More insightful Posts and Threads were more commonplace years ago; but there were fewer people competing to get on, and stay on, the 1st page; or risk being tossed aside as yesterday's news.

Red karmas are also thrown about, sometimes without taking the time to really understand what was posted.

I don't see an easy solution but perhaps people should start using the categories more so such that political news isn't overtaken by UFOs, and health matters are displaced by cute cat tricks??

Shills are always a problem but how do you displace them without stepping on the rights of dissenting points of views?
 Quoting: Reaching


I know. Thank you for your great post. And you are so right. Sometimes it feels like fighting against windmills.

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Good post Mezzo.
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Thank you my friend. hf
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And thank you all for the comments and rating. Much appreciated. I know there are a lot who have the same view on this and that is something to hold on to. hf
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Good post Mezzo.
 Quoting: ~Newton's Own~


Thank you my friend. hf
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InterMezzo,

The thought I was trying to impart is actually a side bar to your great post. As a society we should always spend the majority of our time focusing on our commonalities not our differences. The PC epidemic of praising diversity and inclusivity is a false reality IMHO. This dynamic was foisted on the public purposely in order to create division. United we can stand, but excessive diversity... Well, you know. Why do you think there are individual countries in the first place? Human nature is quite understandable when viewed from that perspective.

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