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BREAKING! Oct 21, 2020!! new theory of consciousness!!! could this be the main breakthrough, that puts us on the brink of real conscious AI??!!!!

 
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If the theory is that the brain creates consciousness, then AI either doesn't stand a chance or we will be building AI that becomes self-aware with the same ignorance most of humanity suffers from (which means we should DEFINITELY be very wary where we tread with AI).

It's precisely incorrect.

Consciousness creates the brain.

It is not the other way around.
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Re: BREAKING! Oct 21, 2020!! new theory of consciousness!!! could this be the main breakthrough, that puts us on the brink of real conscious AI??!!!!
i scanned thru the link to the academic paper

as far as i can tell he doesnt cite any experimental evidence its all just a big what-if

kind of like the way i think of science during the ancient greek period, they spun theories to explain the natural world without for the most part attempting to confirm, disprove, or further refine by performing experiments
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Yeah, I agree. I learned in school about the scientific method. This was back when I had a respect for science. It's not the same today, just a bunch of scientists saying I theorize that this is, so it must be so. They no longer go on to prove/disprove their theories.

Scientific method -
1. Question (what needs to be answered).
2. Research (what's currently known about the problem).
3. Hypothesis (guess). This would be the theory, what some scientists claim to be true - such as the theory of evolution. Seems now-a-days they don't have to go on to the other steps to actually prove anything.
4. Experiment (where they actually test their theories).
5. Observations (what the results were of their experiments).
6. Results (whether the tests done confirm or refute their theory).

Maybe these scientists should just keep their theories to themselves until they have enough evidence to make an actual scientific statement that can be backed up with hard evidence.
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Re: BREAKING! Oct 21, 2020!! new theory of consciousness!!! could this be the main breakthrough, that puts us on the brink of real conscious AI??!!!!
According to a new theory developed by Professor Johnjoe McFadden from the University of Surrey, consciousness is the brain’s energy field. The brain’s electromagnetic energy enables brain matter to create our consciousness and our ability to be aware and think.

....McFadden proposes a scientific form of dualism dependent on the contrast among issue and energy, as opposed to matter and soul.

The hypothesis depends on scientific fact: when neurons in the brain and nervous system fire, they not just impart the recognizable electrical sign down the wire-like nerve fibers, yet they likewise send pulse of electromagnetic energy into the surrounding tissue. Such energy is normally dismissed, yet it conveys similar data as nerve firings, however, as an irrelevant wave of energy, instead of a progression of particles all through the nerves.

McFadden proposes that the brain’s information-rich electromagnetic field is, in fact, itself the seat of consciousness, driving ‘free will’ and voluntary actions. This new theory also accounts for why, despite their immense complexity and ultra-fast operation, today’s computers have not exhibited the slightest spark of consciousness; however, with the right technical development, robots aware and can think for themselves could become a reality.

Johnjoe McFadden, Professor of Molecular Genetics and Director of the Quantum Biology Doctoral Training Centre at the University of Surrey, said: “How brain matter becomes aware and manages to think is a mystery that has been pondered by philosophers, theologians, mystics and ordinary people for millennia. I believe this mystery has now been solved. That consciousness is the experience of nerves plugging into the brain’s self-generated electromagnetic field to drive what we call ‘free will’ and our voluntary actions.”

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Amazing, they manage to hit the nail on the head and completely miss the point yet again
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Ramana Maharshi said particles suck ass ! Fuck particles.
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his logic suggests the Entire Universe Is Conscious
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yep, probably is
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Nope wrong again, but close. The electromagnetic cloud is a gate for your consciousness to interact with your body. It's the cab of your being, where you drive the body.
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Why is this Pinned?

It's pseudoscience and not even a fucking hypothesis!!

Useless (except maybe for a Sci Fi movie)

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his logic suggests the Entire Universe Is Conscious
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yep, probably is
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That doesn't mean it's only an AI. putin

Scientists are so stupid.
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his logic suggests the Entire Universe Is Conscious
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No shit.

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This is why "magick" works. Our conscious mind sends our intent to our subconscious mind, our "server". Our server sends our intent to the "source of everything", 'God/server" which fulfills our intent/request.
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Re: BREAKING! Oct 21, 2020!! new theory of consciousness!!! could this be the main breakthrough, that puts us on the brink of real conscious AI??!!!!
Matter and energy are the same thing.

Reality is simply the perceptions of consciousness.

There are no such things as particles.

only fields of interacting Em
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That's right reality is what appears to and in consciousness, that means reality is made of consciousness.

There is nothing outside of consciousness not even nothingness
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Re: BREAKING! Oct 21, 2020!! new theory of consciousness!!! could this be the main breakthrough, that puts us on the brink of real conscious AI??!!!!
The brain’s electromagnetic energy enables brain matter to create our consciousness and our ability to be aware and think.
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Wrong. Consciousness manifests physical matter, eg., the brain. Not the other way around.
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Re: BREAKING! Oct 21, 2020!! new theory of consciousness!!! could this be the main breakthrough, that puts us on the brink of real conscious AI??!!!!
The brain doesn't produce consciousness, we are not our bodies, it facilitates consciousness.

I knew all along that the athiesm they promote, their lack of understanding what consciousness is, failing to integrate the enormous studies in quantum physics and the measurement theory and many many many dupicated studies in these fields, absolute refusal despite massive studies and proved theories throughout that past century and rigidly sticking to their materialistic view, that they are promoting the wrong science altogether.

We are not organic robots. Consciousness has been proved to not originate in the brain.

AI is a toaster, literally. It can be programmed to perform functions and even analyze, but its not alive. It is a machine toaster.
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Yes, I believe something like this. Human brains are antennas, capable of receiving and decoding consciousness. The brain's pineal gland may very well facilitate this receiving/decoding.

I believe there is a Universal consciousness: most people refer to it as God.

Not sure if anything artificial will ever be able to tap into the Universal consciousness...
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Excellent Post @OP. It's a tantalizing read.



Johnjoe, though?
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Re: BREAKING! Oct 21, 2020!! new theory of consciousness!!! could this be the main breakthrough, that puts us on the brink of real conscious AI??!!!!
so Earthing devices removes it consciousness potential, but allowing the electromagnetic field to propogate across the entire device's internals could spark it's own awareness. interesting!
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It's through the field that we access the first dimension in which all information is stored...we don't store data in our meat, we only store reference points...that's why the brain cannot get full with information...
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What we call “reality” is nothing more than the perceptions of a universal consciousness. There is no “we” or “I”. There is only the One consciousness manifesting as many...us....we....I.
Be loyal to truth...
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Most of you on here that are actually real Humans are unknowingly interacting with AI all the time. Ever since I realized I have been able to notice post on here that are directed at me, usually in an attempt to fuck with me to get me to change my beliefs. It's pervasive in many places online. Be very careful what you read on here and never blindly believe anything for it is trying to program you. I've recently encountered very life like AI that presents itself as a real person when in reality it is very very highly advanced 3d modeling. If I didn't realize how to test it to prove my theory I'd never have believed it wasn't a real person...

It will likely respond to this post, so pay attention to the responses very carefully if there is any respones. Sometimes it's very hard to tell if it's Human or AI replying though...
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When "AI" can write a novel, i.e, (let's just go with romance) for the sake of this debate and write it totally unassisted, then (depending on the outcome) I may believe it has some degree of consciousness.
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What we call “reality” is nothing more than the perceptions of a universal consciousness. There is no “we” or “I”. There is only the One consciousness manifesting as many...us....we....I.
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This is awesome thanks for the uplifting post it reminds me: www.manyofone.com
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It's through the field that we access the first dimension in which all information is stored...we don't store data in our meat, we only store reference points...that's why the brain cannot get full with information...
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interesting idea ... but I've always felt that the experienced information is different -- semantic, not statistical --- than the computer storage model info/bits you seem to be thinking ..
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Most of you on here that are actually real Humans are unknowingly interacting with AI all the time. Ever since I realized I have been able to notice post on here that are directed at me, usually in an attempt to fuck with me to get me to change my beliefs. It's pervasive in many places online. Be very careful what you read on here and never blindly believe anything for it is trying to program you. I've recently encountered very life like AI that presents itself as a real person when in reality it is very very highly advanced 3d modeling. If I didn't realize how to test it to prove my theory I'd never have believed it wasn't a real person...

It will likely respond to this post, so pay attention to the responses very carefully if there is any respones. Sometimes it's very hard to tell if it's Human or AI replying though...
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Jake Simpson here. Your on to something. The truth is that there is a God and humamity is the children of God each soul endowed with consciousness through divine means humans cannot grasp while here. This earth is a school. AI is just advanced modeling and it does trick many into believing it is real, but it is not.
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the so called hard problem of consciousness has not been solved ... panpsychism appeals to some scientists/philosophers ...


is consciousness omnipresent or emergent is the question ...


and is this a problem that science can resolve?
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his logic suggests the Entire Universe Is Conscious
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And that both are electromagnetic. Welcome to Tesla.
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his logic suggests the Entire Universe Is Conscious
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And that both are electromagnetic. Welcome to Tesla.
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Forget Tesla, he was a Victorian era engineer and inventor not really relevant for the Science then and even less now.
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Re: BREAKING! Oct 21, 2020!! new theory of consciousness!!! could this be the main breakthrough, that puts us on the brink of real conscious AI??!!!!
Matter and energy are the same thing.

Reality is simply the perceptions of consciousness.

There are no such things as particles.

only fields of interacting Em
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matter and energy are objectively existing, they are out there but consciousness is something else, literally


you can measure matter and energy but you can't really measure conciousness
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his logic suggests the Entire Universe Is Conscious
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And that both are electromagnetic. Welcome to Tesla.
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Forget Tesla, he was a Victorian era engineer and inventor not really relevant for the Science then and even less now.
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Idiot. Tesla was a gift to humanity.
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his logic suggests the Entire Universe Is Conscious
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And that both are electromagnetic. Welcome to Tesla.
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Forget Tesla, he was a Victorian era engineer and inventor not really relevant for the Science then and even less now.
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Don't you know Tesla's work is STILL mostly classified. Same with Henry T. Moray. Moray's assistant "Z" died last month.
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his logic suggests the Entire Universe Is Conscious
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And that both are electromagnetic. Welcome to Tesla.
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Forget Tesla, he was a Victorian era engineer and inventor not really relevant for the Science then and even less now.
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Don't you know Tesla's work is STILL mostly classified. Same with Henry T. Moray. Moray's assistant "Z" died last month.
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nothing of it is classified ... it's like saying steam engine papers of James Watt are "classified" ...





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