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The Rapture and the two types of Christians.x

 
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In John 17, Jesus Gives the only Witness HE ever Gave in form of a Prayer. This is HIS Witness of The Born-Again Life. In verse 15, HIS Witness states that HIS People (Born-Agains) are Preserved against all evil. HE also Asks Father NOT To Remove them from this earth...

13. And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
14. I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15. I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
16. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.


If you were Born-Again you would KNOW Father's Witness of Ezekiel 36:26-27
26. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

With God The Holy Spirit Dwelling Within, not only does HE Guide your life, HE also Witnesses The Scripture, Enabling your Understanding... Father Says HE Will Enable us to KNOW and DO HIS Will and "Walk in MY Statutes"; Giving us Witness to Enable our Knowing if we are contemplating sin.


Belief is superseded by Faith.
Faith manifests by our Leap Of Faith which is our surrender of all we are and ever will be Unto The Father...
There is no Knowing until God Has Given You To KNOW...

"Marvel not that I Say unto you: Ye MUST Be Born-Again~!" John 3:7


Knowing God, you no longer know fear...

I almost wonder if denying that God can Preserve us against all evil is a denial of the Holy Spirit? The Unforgiveable Sin, isn't it? Denial of The Holy Spirit...


God Has Prepared HIS Remnant for the days ahead. HE Makes Our Way In ALL Things...

We die unto self when we make our surrender Unto The Father.


Once you've stood IN HIS Presence and made your offering of self, you KNOW... There is no knowing until you KNOW...


Lots of Laodiceans will Claim HIM... Yet, HE Says in Rev 3:13-17 that those "lukewarm" will be Rejected...


Interesting thing that Jesus Witnesses of Christianity in Matt 22:1-14.... "The Kingdom of Heaven is like unto a Certain King WHO Made a Wedding Feast For HIS Son"... No more mention of the Son, or the Bride; but the "guests" invited to the feast are the whole focus.... The Original guests all spurned the King's Invitation and "slew HIS servants".

Got to have your Wedding Garment (Born-Again Heart) if you don't want to be "...tied hand and foot and thrown into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."


Still Time if you would Come Unto HIM and Trust HIM with all you are and ever will be...


Maranatha!!!
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Knowing God, you no longer know fear...

I almost wonder if denying that God can Preserve us against all evil is a denial of the Holy Spirit? The Unforgiveable Sin, isn't it? Denial of The Holy Spirit...

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german3 I don't follow your thinking, there is no need to accuse people of things that they where not thinking. In any case you are forgetting passages such as Isa 57:1 The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.

And all the passages about the Rapture don't just go away because you don't like them you know.
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There is no rapture before the 2 witnesses get raptured first of all. Have seen any witness?
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I don't believe in the Rapture. It was invented in 1830 by John Darby.
But go ahead knock your socks off.
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Weird, I didn’t realize John Darby wrote II Thes. 2, Revelation 3, etc.
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Knowing God, you no longer know fear...

I almost wonder if denying that God can Preserve us against all evil is a denial of the Holy Spirit? The Unforgiveable Sin, isn't it? Denial of The Holy Spirit...

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:german3: I don't follow your thinking, there is no need to accuse people of things that they where not thinking. In any case you are forgetting passages such as Isa 57:1 The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.

And all the passages about the Rapture don't just go away because you don't like them you know.
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Pretty famous reference to Isaiah by Jesus in Matt 13...
10. And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11. He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

14. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

15. For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.


What is the purpose for rationalizing "the rapture" if not fear?

You've never discussed the Greeting of Our Lord upon HIS Millenial Return. How great that would be, but it comes under THY WILL, not mine, Be Done! Not something Put Upon my Born-Again Heart to long for.

If you read Matt 22:1-14, there is no mention of a Bride, or Bridegroom. It's all about those The King/Father-God Invited To Attend With HIM.

The wedding guest without a Wedding Garment was tied-up and thrown into the Outer Darkness. Surely that guy/gal wanted to be there; else they wouldn't have crashed the party.

Just wanting to Be There, or Claiming Jesus, don't get you in.

Lots of Witness in the NT about those who will face God's Rejection.


What is Denial Of The Holy Spirit if not doubting HIM? Does it come often to your mind, "God can't Do That!"??? How is doubting that God can keep HIS People Preserved against all evil, not a denial?

Gonna deny God and Jesus' Witness; shit, may as well be a catholic...

Most Laodiceans trust their pastor, church dogma etc more than they can Trust God.
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Really, there's only Born-Again Christians who made their surrender and Came Unto The Father to give HIM their lives; and those that haven't...


Father Sent Christ Jesus to Redeem us, and to Bring The Gospel.

Why doesn't Jesus preach plainly? Well, HE does if you can See and Hear The Gospel with your heart. If you seek by your intellect, you won't understand until you find heart enough.

God's Will IS Always Perfect!


Understanding that HE's God and we're not is a first step to Coming Unto The Father. Christ Made our Way, but we have to walk it... Have to determine and decide that we Trust God Completely and Take Action.

There's no Knowing God's Will until you KNOW The Father.


Jesus Says in Matt 16:13-20 that Knowing WHO HE IS is only Put Upon Our Hearts BY HIS Father. KNOWING WHO HE IS is "the rock" (foundation) "Upon which I Build MY Church".

Jesus Says to conclude the Parable of The Wedding Feast (matt:1-14) "For many were Called, but few are Chosen!"

Meaning that Father-God Chose every person HE Gave Knowledge Of WHO Jesus IS; but only a few Chose-Elected to Answer HIS Call.

We answer HIS Call when we make our surrender, our Leap Of Faith...


Left Behind & all that stuff... Ain't nobody going nowhere. Those in Matt 24 that were Taken, Jesus Says are to be found where the eagles are gathered, picking flesh from their bones; the "taken" being dead in the ditch.

God Parted The Sea for HIS People. Sent them Manna and founts of water. Caused HIS Death Angel To Pass Over them... Think HE Won't Preserve HIS Remnant? Think HE can't hide you from the evil ones?

God has Preserved my family many times; and that's just the times we've been able to see HIS Deliverance. Probably 10x more we never knew the crap HE Diverted from affecting us.


Jesus Came so we could KNOW The Father Personally and Directly. Knowing erases all doubt and all maybes...
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I don't believe in the Rapture. It was invented in 1830 by John Darby.
But go ahead knock your socks off.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76676317


Weird, I didn’t realize John Darby wrote II Thes. 2, Revelation 3, etc.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79516920


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the word "Rapture" is not even in the bible.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79171890


Harpazo ?

whether or not the word is there the detailed description of the event appears a few times and is like Elijah who was taken east of Jordan whee john the baptist appeared baptizing

Paul mentions it
Luke

28 When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”

its actually all over the bible


strange some don't/refuse [to] see it





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