IMPORTANT MESSAGE TO PREPPER and PEOPLE WHO STOCKPILE COMMERCIAL FOODS FROM COMPANIES | |
AfterAll
User ID: 77356749 United States 09/17/2020 06:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I read this at work and couldn't respond till after I got home. Quoting: AfterAll I wasted so much money on that food...such a shame. What was the average temperate of your house down in Florida since you've been storing the food? I know you said you use AC but some ppl keep their AC at 78. It's between 72 and 76, depending. Even if it had been 78, It shouldn't have gone bad. It makes me wonder if that Harvest Right machine does any better...all those folks thinking they have preserved food may be in for a rude awakening. I'm glad I saw that bulging can because if I hadn't, I probably wouldn't have opened up those cans. Of course I never bought single #10 cans either. I had to get a case of 6 each time. So basic food is where it's at for me. Things that had milk products in them were bad. So I store some dry milk, but not much and rotate it out fast...like in 6 months. All those sauce mixes were a good idea, but they had dairy in them and were off. And since they came from different companies and I read this thread it's made me wary...especially of mixes and sauces and of course anything dairy. |
Gemini Rising
User ID: 78633984 United States 09/17/2020 08:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For the evening crowd. I've never purchased commercial food from any of the big companies. I just buy extra of what I already eat and store it in a closet. I live in an apartment and have limited space. I buy extra canned food, stuff in jars, rice, and beans. I put the bags of rice and beans into freezer bags and stash them in boxes in the closet along with everything else. I make sure to rotate yearly when I top off my hurricane supplies. As a single person, it makes no sense to buy bulk items. |
NasTraDooMis
User ID: 66590776 United States 09/17/2020 08:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How long does uncooked pasta last? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77645332 Would think a few years at least. From my experience you leave it in the cardboard packaging, it's really good for only about a year before the bug eggs hatch. Even though it generally has a 2 year from manufacture "best by" date. I just put the boxes I don't plan on using right away in a 5 cent generic Walmart gallon sized ziplock bag to keep oxygen from circulating to a minimum. I haven't had any experience with long term normal pasta storage beyond that, though. I have eaten 5 year old Mountain House freeze-dried lasagna and it was fine. The bug eggs mostly hatch at night, mostly.... LoL. Just passing thru. OG id 126286 NasTraDooMis |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47960194 United States 09/17/2020 09:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Any way you look at it stockpiling those types of dehydrated / MRE foods is super expensive and inefficient. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74838577 Stock up. Wait. Throw away. Repeat. It is an awful emergency strategy. You are just better off to stockpile regular keepable groceries, your own canned/preserved stuff, etc. and rotate them out of your day to day food supply. You can easily go 2 years that way with almost no effort and at 20% of the cost. If you are in a situation where you have to stockpile more than 2 years of food, food will ironically be the least of your worries. Unless you go backpacking 6-8 times a year. Actually use your shit, keep a years worth of stuff. Week long backpacking trips will teach you a lot about your bug out plan, preps, etc. If you cant last a week in the woods then when TSHTF you may as well go to the camps. Learn how to grow and dehydrate using heat, smoke etc. Weekend warriors buying preps on amazon will be the first ones down. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79256056 United States 09/17/2020 09:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | one more thing, I had several fruit and vegetable packages that are freeze-dried. Inedible. Just plain Inedible. I think I would have eaten the packaging in an emergency before I would have eaten the actual foods inside them. Quoting: MeowMix You say this now, but most of us have never experienced true hunger. There could potentially come a time where we have no choice but to eat canned dog or cat food. Even dried dog food. Think the stored food you have is inedible? Wait until you try canned cat food. Spot on. I don't think any of these people understand starving. You will not care about tbe taste. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79324147 United States 09/17/2020 09:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Any way you look at it stockpiling those types of dehydrated / MRE foods is super expensive and inefficient. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74838577 Stock up. Wait. Throw away. Repeat. It is an awful emergency strategy. You are just better off to stockpile regular keepable groceries, your own canned/preserved stuff, etc. and rotate them out of your day to day food supply. You can easily go 2 years that way with almost no effort and at 20% of the cost. If you are in a situation where you have to stockpile more than 2 years of food, food will ironically be the least of your worries. Unless you go backpacking 6-8 times a year. Actually use your shit, keep a years worth of stuff. Week long backpacking trips will teach you a lot about your bug out plan, preps, etc. If you cant last a week in the woods then when TSHTF you may as well go to the camps. Learn how to grow and dehydrate using heat, smoke etc. Weekend warriors buying preps on amazon will be the first ones down. I can gut clean quarter and skin a cow at night blindfolded. Got it? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 65853998 United States 09/17/2020 10:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | hey OP thanks for the heads up I opened- inspected my most suspect pail. No odors whatsoever, but the very first thing I noticed was only 1 package was vacuum sealed BIG hole in my elbow macaroni, and a small hole in another item along the outer edges. Discarded the elbow macaroni I feel terrible for all the people that are unaware of this. |
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Icey
User ID: 77119763 United States 09/18/2020 10:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Beans and rice never go bad. Orchards never go bad. Fish ponds never go bad. Wild game never goes bad. Perennial beds never go bad. Canned meat lasts for decades. Seeds last for decades if stored properly. Do it right. Quoting: Icey Try to cook and eat old beans. They will not get soft even after soaking and cooking for days. Learn how to cook. We have had this fight before over old beans LOL. OK you find some ten year old beans and come back and tell us how it is done. I know some tricks, but most people will not be able to eat them. I am SNOWIE. WELCOME TO THE NEW ICE AGE. TRY NOT TO STARVE. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 66967769 Canada 09/18/2020 10:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Any way you look at it stockpiling those types of dehydrated / MRE foods is super expensive and inefficient. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74838577 Stock up. Wait. Throw away. Repeat. It is an awful emergency strategy. You are just better off to stockpile regular keepable groceries, your own canned/preserved stuff, etc. and rotate them out of your day to day food supply. You can easily go 2 years that way with almost no effort and at 20% of the cost. If you are in a situation where you have to stockpile more than 2 years of food, food will ironically be the least of your worries. Unless you go backpacking 6-8 times a year. Actually use your shit, keep a years worth of stuff. Week long backpacking trips will teach you a lot about your bug out plan, preps, etc. If you cant last a week in the woods then when TSHTF you may as well go to the camps. Learn how to grow and dehydrate using heat, smoke etc. Weekend warriors buying preps on amazon will be the first ones down. You don't have to go camping 6-8 times a year. One method of testing your prepper strategy. Designate a time period of 1 week, 2 weeks, 3 weeks... Throw the mains switch on your electrical meter to OFF. Close the main-valve to your water supply. You will learn quickly what your prep-status is. When you have to cook, eat, clean, flush-toilets, with no power, and no water service. Try-it, even for a couple of days it can be a challenge. . |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 40353693 United States 09/18/2020 04:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Are.you storing the food items inside of glass canning jars? The really big ones are great for this. For cereals or trail mix just mix it right in the jar, flour, sugar, all that can go right in the jar, open the package and pour. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74226610 Small packets of food can be pushed down in there and stored in the packet Freeze your flour for 48 hours before you store it. That kills any weavels or larvae that may be hiding in there I think it just keeps them from hatching and growing, when they thaw out they start wiggling again. A fistful of bay leaves added to a bucket works better than freezing. You'd have to have a huge empty freezer to freeze all the flours and grains you're likely to buy anyway. Bay leaves both repel and stop hatching on any already in there. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 40353693 United States 09/18/2020 04:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | hey OP thanks for the heads up Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65853998 I opened- inspected my most suspect pail. No odors whatsoever, but the very first thing I noticed was only 1 package was vacuum sealed BIG hole in my elbow macaroni, and a small hole in another item along the outer edges. Discarded the elbow macaroni I feel terrible for all the people that are unaware of this. I have learnt, the hard way, that rats can chew holes in heavy foil bags that are 'vacuum sealed;' it doesn't even slow them down. I'll never forget some powdered eggs they got into once when we had a real bad year in AZ for rats. What a mess! Some mice can too and they can get into a hole so small, you'd never guess they'd been in your package. You know those vacuum sealed bags of coffee beans? Mice in the cupboard ruined a new one of mine once and it was the last thing I thought they'd bother with. Out in the country, you're going to see mice in dizzying varieties no matter how many cats you have on the premises. Rats come in enough varieties so it can take a while to indentify what your problem is. The only way even to know you've got rats and not just mice is the size of the turds they leave. They're not just a city plague: the country is full of them. They carry bugs of their own too. Manufacturers and shippers are never going to tell you about the turds they found in their warehouses! That HANTA virus exploded on Indian reservations in the Southwest, most of it remote rural, because of rodent urine and droppings that nobody out there ever cleaned up. It was in every single cupboard in every house, hut, cabin, hogan, wigwam, whatever. Add some dust and dry wind, a hallmark of the whole region, and you have an epidemic. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78478834 Canada 09/18/2020 04:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Are.you storing the food items inside of glass canning jars? The really big ones are great for this. For cereals or trail mix just mix it right in the jar, flour, sugar, all that can go right in the jar, open the package and pour. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74226610 Small packets of food can be pushed down in there and stored in the packet Freeze your flour for 48 hours before you store it. That kills any weavels or larvae that may be hiding in there Wow! Great post! |
MeowMix
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Pooka
User ID: 77909177 Switzerland 09/20/2020 03:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Five stars and a karma pin. Didn't see this thread until today when Gemini Rising posted it in our Practical Prepping Protocol thread, for which I am very thankful. This is horrifying, when people have purchased these foods and stored the away, believing they will be good for twentyfive years or more, only to discover, when starving, that they have nothing to eat but spoiled food. Sickening. How did Auguson Farms do? I'm told they are the best, but your test will mean the most. I'm still on your first page, OP, so if you have already answered this question, thank you! Prayer is the most powerful force on earth. “I care not for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it.” Abraham Lincoln I sign all karma given. Would that those giving it to me followed suit. |
Hope_Full
User ID: 78490196 United States 09/20/2020 03:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you for the info OP. Do not blame yourself, you were trying to do the right thing. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67789290 Thanks, I appreciate that. I honest to God want to see just how much bad food there really is out there. I'm in hopes that people will see this thread and check their stash or give reports about what they've seen. Yeah, me too. When I moved across the country, I opened a few cans and found it was rancid. I was very angry. I wonder what the deal is. These food items were less than five years old, but were supposed to last 20+ years. |
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AfterAll
User ID: 77356749 United States 09/20/2020 03:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think it just keeps them from hatching and growing, when they thaw out they start wiggling again. A fistful of bay leaves added to a bucket works better than freezing. You'd have to have a huge empty freezer to freeze all the flours and grains you're likely to buy anyway. Bay leaves both repel and stop hatching on any already in there. I had forgotten about bay leaves in the bucket. I had a bay bush a long time ago and had tons of leaves, and it really did work. I was lavish with them, putting them everywhere in the pantry too. I'm going to get some. You'd think that storing popcorn in a dry canned mason jar would be rodent proof...when I lived in Oregon, I had my popcorn in mason jars in the pantry, dry canned. Mice got in the pantry, and because the ring was removed, a rat actually found a way to pop the seal and got into the jar. I had never seen anything like that before or since. But these days, I leave the rings on dry canned items...just in case. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78943858 United States 09/20/2020 03:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don’t buy MREs anymore for this reason. I ate them in a war and have thought they would be ok for STHF. But the last two cases of new production 2018 were awful. These had come banded, they were legit. The food inside made me ill, or at least feel weird and unwell. Hard to describe, it all sucks and too expensive to warrant |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77745041 United Kingdom 09/20/2020 03:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don’t buy MREs anymore for this reason. I ate them in a war and have thought they would be ok for STHF. But the last two cases of new production 2018 were awful. These had come banded, they were legit. The food inside made me ill, or at least feel weird and unwell. Hard to describe, it all sucks and too expensive to warrant I was in when C Rations were still a thing. It was the cusp really. Towards the end they switched over to MRE's. I have a steel pot also. I was fitted with a Kevlar one near my ETS date. MRE's are fucking nasty! C Rats might weigh more but at least they were edible! The steel pot could be used to boil water and you can't do that shit with a Kevlar one! I don't know what I'm bitching about, I ate tree bark before. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77396442 United States 09/20/2020 03:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not being the least bit religious, but I was wondering the other day how they stored grains in the BC era. I was thinking about the old story where Joseph had a dream about a famine and they stored grains for 7 years in preparation of the famine and saved the people. What all did they store, how did they store it and how much did they store to save so many people? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67789290 whole grain kept dry and cool will keep for 20 years |
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