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You can't ascend without dropping ego

 
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you can not "drop" the Ego ... the ego is the OS (operating system) of the Human Instrument, which is allowing you to experience LIFE ... just like when you sit at home, but use a computer to access far away places ... your computer has an OS that is limited --- unless you learn how to enhance it ... in this allegory, YOU, the operator are the Soul, the Ego is the OS that operates the device that allows you to access LIFE ... and just about anyone can hack it

it can be personalize, upgraded or wiped clean ... when it gets overloaded - it crashes ... it's memory is limited, and can be filled with false information or designed to trigger automatic reactions ... but it serves no purpose, until you connect it to a power source - until it is downloaded into your personal computer and your Soul is identified as its operator - because the Soul has no access to the physical world without a body ... and until you Master it's programs and learn how to adapt to or modify the frequencies it responds to you won't be able to direct your exeperience LIFE - you will be limited to the original programing of the Collective Mind of Humanity
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True. CruciFiction was one such way the Essene Gnostics dealt with such... issues.
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Re: You can't ascend without dropping ego
you can not "drop" the Ego ... the ego is the OS (operating system) of the Human Instrument, which is allowing you to experience LIFE ... just like when you sit at home, but use a computer to access far away places ... your computer has an OS that is limited --- unless you learn how to enhance it ... in this allegory, YOU, the operator are the Soul, the Ego is the OS that operates the device that allows you to access LIFE ... and just about anyone can hack it

it can be personalize, upgraded or wiped clean ... when it gets overloaded - it crashes ... it's memory is limited, and can be filled with false information or designed to trigger automatic reactions ... but it serves no purpose, until you connect it to a power source - until it is downloaded into your personal computer and your Soul is identified as its operator - because the Soul has no access to the physical world without a body ... and until you Master it's programs and learn how to adapt to or modify the frequencies it responds to you won't be able to direct your exeperience LIFE - you will be limited to the original programing of the Collective Mind of Humanity
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This is exactly why we have to restrict and refine the selfishness. Why we fail to ascend, if we don't. Because, it comes then as not having understood the lessons.
And, being able to let spirit through is only fully able to when that is happening.
Or its temporary.
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Re: You can't ascend without dropping ego
True. CruciFiction was one such way the Essene Gnostics dealt with such... issues.
 Quoting: Yerushalem


It's what the crucifiction means. Crucify the selfishness
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Re: You can't ascend without dropping ego
you can not "drop" the Ego ... the ego is the OS (operating system) of the Human Instrument, which is allowing you to experience LIFE ... just like when you sit at home, but use a computer to access far away places ... your computer has an OS that is limited --- unless you learn how to enhance it ... in this allegory, YOU, the operator are the Soul, the Ego is the OS that operates the device that allows you to access LIFE ... and just about anyone can hack it

it can be personalize, upgraded or wiped clean ... when it gets overloaded - it crashes ... it's memory is limited, and can be filled with false information or designed to trigger automatic reactions ... but it serves no purpose, until you connect it to a power source - until it is downloaded into your personal computer and your Soul is identified as its operator - because the Soul has no access to the physical world without a body ... and until you Master it's programs and learn how to adapt to or modify the frequencies it responds to you won't be able to direct your exeperience LIFE - you will be limited to the original programing of the Collective Mind of Humanity
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This is exactly why we have to restrict and refine the selfishness. Why we fail to ascend, if we don't. Because, it comes then as not having understood the lessons.
And, being able to let spirit through is only fully able to when that is happening.
Or its temporary.
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If even that.
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You can't ascend without dropping ego selfishness. Why? Because it'll keep you in the separated consciousness, and going the higher level means not staying in separation. This is also why evil cannot win. You aren't in balance. Which is the same thing
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You also cannot ascend higher if you are busy condemning others and taking away their free will by being a control freak. The ascension process is only between God and the ascending soul. Healthy ego is a natural human emotion for survival and evolution.
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You can't ascend without dropping ego selfishness. Why? Because it'll keep you in the separated consciousness, and going the higher level means not staying in separation. This is also why evil cannot win. You aren't in balance. Which is the same thing
 Quoting: StarFlowers


You also cannot ascend higher if you are busy condemning others and taking away their free will by being a control freak. The ascension process is only between God and the ascending soul. Healthy ego is a natural human emotion for survival and evolution.
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Correctamente..........
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You can't ascend without dropping ego selfishness. Why? Because it'll keep you in the separated consciousness, and going the higher level means not staying in separation. This is also why evil cannot win. You aren't in balance. Which is the same thing
 Quoting: StarFlowers


You also cannot ascend higher if you are busy condemning others and taking away their free will by being a control freak. The ascension process is only between God and the ascending soul. Healthy ego is a natural human emotion for survival and evolution.
 Quoting: Astrogurl


You don't take free will, its a individual choice, but, the road doesn't change, however. There's nothing healthy about ego unless it is to keep safe. That was its original purpose.
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You can't ascend without dropping ego selfishness. Why? Because it'll keep you in the separated consciousness, and going the higher level means not staying in separation. This is also why evil cannot win. You aren't in balance. Which is the same thing
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You ascended by using ritual sacrifices.

Which is why you will be falling a few dimensions.
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You can't ascend without dropping ego selfishness. Why? Because it'll keep you in the separated consciousness, and going the higher level means not staying in separation. This is also why evil cannot win. You aren't in balance. Which is the same thing
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You ascended by using ritual sacrifices.

Which is why you will be falling a few dimensions.
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The only thing that is to be sacrifice as such is the selfishness and our negative instincts.
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You can't ascend without dropping ego selfishness. Why? Because it'll keep you in the separated consciousness, and going the higher level means not staying in separation. This is also why evil cannot win. You aren't in balance. Which is the same thing
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You ascended by using ritual sacrifices.

Which is why you will be falling a few dimensions.
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The only thing that is to be sacrifice as such is the selfishness and our negative instincts.
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Put your Mormon church up your asshole.
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That's mighty egotistic of you to say, you egoist.
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That's mighty egotistic of you to say, you egoist.
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Wow Vladimir, you made an intelligent statement.
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Re: You can't ascend without dropping ego
You can't ascend without dropping ego selfishness. Why? Because it'll keep you in the separated consciousness, and going the higher level means not staying in separation. This is also why evil cannot win. You aren't in balance. Which is the same thing
 Quoting: StarFlowers


You ascended by using ritual sacrifices.

Which is why you will be falling a few dimensions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79316819


The only thing that is to be sacrifice as such is the selfishness and our negative instincts.
 Quoting: StarFlowers


Put your Mormon church up your asshole.
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Go n' hide in your cave then
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Re: You can't ascend without dropping ego
You can't ascend without dropping ego selfishness. Why? Because it'll keep you in the separated consciousness, and going the higher level means not staying in separation. This is also why evil cannot win. You aren't in balance. Which is the same thing
 Quoting: StarFlowers


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Thank you!

Law of one, the atlantean one, is timeless, and all religions comes from. There are these ideas in some extent in all those. We have to go back and choose a better way.
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You're mixing the things here Analyst. My personal reasons to focus only to local men bases on the following matters:
* similar culture (=> all will be easier). Expectations about family life are similar.
* Even as I'm non-believer Chirstian (Lutheran), he will need to be Lutheran/got a Lutheran education as well.
* I want to continue my familyline as it has been.

But with this guy's case we just talked about 1 step date. I have not been outside of Europe, but inside of Europe the biggest difference here is that Nordic/Northern European man will understand you more easily if you're not interested in him (''accepting that''), with southern Europeans (just via my own experience) the same is much more harder/difficult. And yes; they will be saying/wispering much more (white)lies to you. Now, I can not say how much my essence will influence them (= 100% tourist). But in the end, all of them are looking for the same thing (firstly) as they'll come to talk on
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You can't ascend without dropping ego selfishness. Why? Because it'll keep you in the separated consciousness, and going the higher level means not staying in separation. This is also why evil cannot win. You aren't in balance. Which is the same thing
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And this is one of Satan's greatest lies.

All part of making you join his host.
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Re: You can't ascend without dropping ego
Ego becomes a weighted anchor to the Soul.
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Sorry but I don't want to get into communion with shitfuckers that I can't stand.

That is assimilation like getting a brain snail in your head and become part of a toxic hive mind.

The manifestation of this state is utterly repulsive, nihilistic, worthless of any value, creativity, emotion or fuck to give.
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You can't ascend without dropping ego selfishness. Why? Because it'll keep you in the separated consciousness, and going the higher level means not staying in separation. This is also why evil cannot win. You aren't in balance. Which is the same thing
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this is true
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You can't exist in time-space without an [liveleak]"ego".


It is a theater.

If you do not put on a mask you cannot participate in the story.

The trick is to not let the mask take control. As an actor you must realize your limitless potential to play any role.

You must be in control of whatever mask you decide to wear and play the part with a master's imagination.

And then be ready, at the drop of a hat, to change masks and become an entirely different character.

How many of you can do this?
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Ascend into what exactly?

And who tells me that up and down aren't subjective in another dimension.

Maybe you are sinking back from what you came from
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You can't ascend without dropping ego selfishness. Why? Because it'll keep you in the separated consciousness, and going the higher level means not staying in separation. This is also why evil cannot win. You aren't in balance. Which is the same thing
 Quoting: StarFlowers


And this is one of Satan's greatest lies.

All part of making you join his host.
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Only Satan can convince you that 1/7th of your consciousness, the consciousness the creator gave you, is evil.

Why don't you just cut your entire solar plexus out of your body while you are at it.

Satan would love that.
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Re: You can't ascend without dropping ego
Try ego death. You become so selfless you forgot how to function as a human for 6 hours.
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Actually I would like to share with you where this saying came from, and how Satan has used it to his advantage.

You can't ascend without dropping ego
- this saying is older than humanity, but its meaning is not what you think.

It's all due to a celestial cataclysm, the ancient Tiamat War, when the planet Tiamat/Malek was destroyed, Mars scarred, and Uranus knocked sideways.

That event broke and distorted the chakra system of the solar system.

After the destruction of the planet Tiamat, the Orion princes used the power of Saturn to bring the nine pieces of the planet Tiamat that still had life in them together. Then using the power of the staff of fire, the crystal tree Yggdrasil was created rejoining the nine pieces of the planet Tiamat together with its Black Heart Star, creating what you now know as Earth.

The solar system's Heart Chakra was saved.

There was a problem, the Heart Chakra had been reformed on the other side of Mars, the solar plexus of the solar system.

Resulting in the Ego taking over the Heart.

This was the Age of Rudra, the Age of War. For Mars the planet of War, now controlled the Heart of the solar system.

This is where the ancient wisdom comes from when they claim you need to "drop" the Ego.

It's not about killing the Ego, its about stop letting Mars and your Ego take over your heart center, and bring your chakras back into balance by placing the Ego back under your Heart.

Part of why the whole solar system is about to get a reset, its time to restore the balance.

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This reality is called the Game of Poverty.

It was created by Sophia the Mother as a game for her husband, God the Father to play.

All souled beings act as player avatars for God to play the game.

The meaning of life is for all souled beings to come together and figure out how to end all Poverty.
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Re: You can't ascend without dropping ego
Let's analyze this line of thought a bit.

Ego is bad, supposedly. Why? Because it is selfish.

OK, so what is "selfish"? Let's try to define our terms a little better, so we know what we are talking about.

Is it selfish to serve yourself?

No! To be selfish is to serve yourself, at someone else's expense. It is not the self serving part that is the problem, it is the stepping on others part.

Self serving is not at all a bad thing. It is in fact the very core and root of serving others! You must love yourself first before you can love others! That's why Jesus said "love other as yourself". Loving yourself comes first. It's a prerequisite.

Now we're getting to the interesting part!

What is "stepping on others"? Or perhaps better put, what is the reason people step on others? Why are they doing it? Why are people hurting other people?

The answer is, they do it because they have limited awareness.

If they were fully aware of the consequences of being selfish they wouldn't do it. If they could feel the pain of others as strongly as they feel their own pain they wouldn't cause anyone pain. What they need to stop being selfish isn't sermons about becoming better people then, it is higher awareness.

How do they get this higher awareness?

By ascending!

So the OP is ass-backwards wrong on this issue. It's not that people need to stop being selfish to ascend, it's that people need to ascend to stop being selfish!

It's not about wanting to be less selfish, it's about being able to be less selfish. You CANNOT be less selfish without expanding your awareness first. You MUST seek ascension first to become less selfish.

A little expansion of mind brings a little less selfishness, as we can all notice with our own small steps forward every day. And the upcoming giant expansion of awareness we call "ascension" will bring a lot less selfishness.

In the end, the only entity COMPLETELY lacking selfishness, is Source itself. "There is only one who is Good", as Jesus said.

Only Source itself has full awareness of all that exists, and only Source itself can feel all pain as its own. Thus only Source itself is able to serve all as it serves itself.

The rest of us are all selfish. To larger or lesser degrees. And the higher we ascend and the closer we get to Source, the less selfish we become.

My point of this long rant, is that it is FUTILE to try and shame people for being selfish, it is FUTILE to order them to become better people, and it is DIRECTLY COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE to tell them they can't get to Heaven if they're not good enough to "earn" it (or can't ascend if they don't stop being selfish, basically the same statement).

IT'S THE OTHER WAY AROUND!

I'm going on and on here because it's such an important understanding to get across. The idea OP is promoting is WRONG, disastrously so. It's like telling little kids they can't graduate from kindergarten if they don't get their doctorate first.

Dropping ego selfishness --> Ascension = WRONG

Ascension --> dropping ego selfishness = CORRECT


The tree must first grow before it can produce any fruit. Telling a seed to produce fruit so it can grow into a tree helps no-one.

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Re: You can't ascend without dropping ego
Let's analyze this line of thought a bit.

Ego is bad, supposedly. Why? Because it is selfish.

OK, so what is "selfish"? Let's try to define our terms a little better, so we know what we are talking about.

Is it selfish to serve yourself?

No! To be selfish is to serve yourself, at someone else's expense. It is not the self serving part that is the problem, it is the stepping on others part.

Self serving is not at all a bad thing. It is in fact the very core and root of serving others! You must love yourself first before you can love others! That's why Jesus said "love other as yourself". Loving yourself comes first. It's a prerequisite.

Now we're getting to the interesting part!

What is "stepping on others"? Or perhaps better put, what is the reason people step on others? Why are they doing it? Why are people hurting other people?

The answer is, they do it because they have limited awareness.

If they were fully aware of the consequences of being selfish they wouldn't do it. If they could feel the pain of others as strongly as they feel their own pain they wouldn't cause anyone pain. What they need to stop being selfish isn't sermons about becoming better people then, it is higher awareness.

How do they get this higher awareness?

By ascending!

So the OP is ass-backwards wrong on this issue. It's not that people need to stop being selfish to ascend, it's that people need to ascend to stop being selfish!

It's not about wanting to be less selfish, it's about being able to be less selfish. You CANNOT be less selfish without expanding your awareness first. You MUST seek ascension first to become less selfish.

A little expansion of mind brings a little less selfishness, as we can all notice with our own small steps forward every day. And the upcoming giant expansion of awareness we call "ascension" will bring a lot less selfishness.

In the end, the only entity COMPLETELY lacking selfishness, is Source itself. "There is only one who is Good", as Jesus said.

Only Source itself has full awareness of all that exists, and only Source itself can feel all pain as its own. Thus only Source itself is able to serve all as it serves itself.

The rest of us are all selfish. To larger or lesser degrees. And the higher we ascend and the closer we get to Source, the less selfish we become.

My point of this long rant, is that it is FUTILE to try and shame people for being selfish, it is FUTILE to order them to become better people, and it is DIRECTLY COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE to tell them they can't get to Heaven if they're not good enough to "earn" it (or can't ascend if they don't stop being selfish, basically the same statement).

IT'S THE OTHER WAY AROUND!

I'm going on and on here because it's such an important understanding to get across. The idea OP is promoting is WRONG, disastrously so. It's like telling little kids they can't graduate from kindergarten if they don't get their doctorate first.

Dropping ego selfishness --> Ascension = WRONG

Ascension --> dropping ego selfishness = CORRECT


The tree must first grow before it can produce any fruit. Telling a seed to produce fruit so it can grow into a tree helps no-one.
 Quoting: Lazy Monk

Most to all so called sins come from insecurity.
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Re: You can't ascend without dropping ego
Let's analyze this line of thought a bit.

Ego is bad, supposedly. Why? Because it is selfish.

OK, so what is "selfish"? Let's try to define our terms a little better, so we know what we are talking about.

Is it selfish to serve yourself?

No! To be selfish is to serve yourself, at someone else's expense. It is not the self serving part that is the problem, it is the stepping on others part.

Self serving is not at all a bad thing. It is in fact the very core and root of serving others! You must love yourself first before you can love others! That's why Jesus said "love other as yourself". Loving yourself comes first. It's a prerequisite.

Now we're getting to the interesting part!

What is "stepping on others"? Or perhaps better put, what is the reason people step on others? Why are they doing it? Why are people hurting other people?

The answer is, they do it because they have limited awareness.

If they were fully aware of the consequences of being selfish they wouldn't do it. If they could feel the pain of others as strongly as they feel their own pain they wouldn't cause anyone pain. What they need to stop being selfish isn't sermons about becoming better people then, it is higher awareness.

How do they get this higher awareness?

By ascending!

So the OP is ass-backwards wrong on this issue. It's not that people need to stop being selfish to ascend, it's that people need to ascend to stop being selfish!

It's not about wanting to be less selfish, it's about being able to be less selfish. You CANNOT be less selfish without expanding your awareness first. You MUST seek ascension first to become less selfish.

A little expansion of mind brings a little less selfishness, as we can all notice with our own small steps forward every day. And the upcoming giant expansion of awareness we call "ascension" will bring a lot less selfishness.

In the end, the only entity COMPLETELY lacking selfishness, is Source itself. "There is only one who is Good", as Jesus said.

Only Source itself has full awareness of all that exists, and only Source itself can feel all pain as its own. Thus only Source itself is able to serve all as it serves itself.

The rest of us are all selfish. To larger or lesser degrees. And the higher we ascend and the closer we get to Source, the less selfish we become.

My point of this long rant, is that it is FUTILE to try and shame people for being selfish, it is FUTILE to order them to become better people, and it is DIRECTLY COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE to tell them they can't get to Heaven if they're not good enough to "earn" it (or can't ascend if they don't stop being selfish, basically the same statement).

IT'S THE OTHER WAY AROUND!

I'm going on and on here because it's such an important understanding to get across. The idea OP is promoting is WRONG, disastrously so. It's like telling little kids they can't graduate from kindergarten if they don't get their doctorate first.

Dropping ego selfishness --> Ascension = WRONG

Ascension --> dropping ego selfishness = CORRECT


The tree must first grow before it can produce any fruit. Telling a seed to produce fruit so it can grow into a tree helps no-one.
 Quoting: Lazy Monk

Most to all so called sins come from insecurity.
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Great post Lazymonk, I recently come to believe the same
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Re: You can't ascend without dropping ego
Descend, ascend, it's all the same when you're sideways.
What's going on, and why isn't it coming off?





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