COVID-19 News, Info, Discussion /// Tracking the Spread of the Virus and its Effects /// October Lockdown for UK (pg. 774)

All the talk of nanotechnology graphene parasites neuralace etc in the Vaccines could all be misinfo.

It could just be straight up depopulation and genocide.

No cyborgs
No being controlled
No slave system

JUST STRAIGHT UP DEATH.

Did you consider that?

Not necessarily immediately as that would be too obvious
But a slow degradation of immunity say.

LAGO u wouldn't like my thoughts.

let's go the easy way instead. #1> do u smoke still? might b good idea to start. would protect u from getting the virus. yes has a risk, but so does vax.

#2> this is America, u have a right to choose to take the vaccine or not to. however, forcing u to with restrictions to your freedoms such as being able to travel is wrong. that in itself violates your rights.

3> u are trusting the ppl who helped make the virus to make the vaccine to save your life. so that is like trusting the fox not to eat the eggs and chickens as u go to sleep.

4> and i will try to do this 1 calmly and intelligently.

since u look at this from that side, that u can do this or that as long as u follow the rules and take the vaccine. this gives a happy outcome and allows u to visit ppl and live normal. let's look at the other side and b SURE YOU HAVE BOTH EYES OPEN. do consider the other side of the what if this or that happens. i mean no ill harm and do not hope for any bad to happen to u.

what if - u did make someone sick by carrying the virus? how would u feel if u did infect someone and they died? u could catch covid mid flight and not know.

what if- u have to take shots the rest of your life? every 6mths. again u are trusting MSM and DR FRANKENSTEIN to b honest bout the reports and data.

what if- some minor bug can kill u since your immune system is hacked? say your immune is compromised now and measles might get u. your systems work to allow that to kill u. this means u are listed as dead but not via vax or covid. does't change u being dead. this is how the govern CAN make #'s look good on paper.

we could keep going here like what iof u are shedding and that affects someone that u care about... etc.

too many questions and not many answers as we need 5 years to truely have the data to spot the trends.what we have heard and see does show scarey times ahead. each person must weigh the good and bad that can happen to them and their families. there is no right answer for everyone. we are all different and have different goals. to make an informed decision, u must have all the true facts. not just 1's painted up to look like roses. nor all the dark 1's either.

u do the best u can. just b ready to live with the choice no matter the outcomes later including what may happen over 5 years out. but do keep both eyes open. i do hope it works out well for u.

i'll add to that. i'd b sure to use the BEST PPE u can get your hands on with or without a vax. even with the vax,the best tactic is the same -AVOID CATCHING IT.

i reported yesterday that i got a call and my step-dad is now sick with covid. recently he helped me get a car.so i have been around him once a few weeks back and once a month or so before.not knowing exactly when he got exposed, i could have been exposed. thankfully, i did have my P-100 mask,gloves,and goggles. i did not even smoke a cig while he drove us places. tried to b as careful as i could.

so far i and the GF are not showing any signs. we feel confident that we are not infected. the odds say he got infected where he lives. a high rise apt building for elderly and disables. with other workers such as home health nurses coming in and out. not a nursing home but has similar traits.

we all do the best we can. and we live as practical as we can also. i understand that not everyone can live as hermits and some ppl can . all we can do.

"It could just be straight up depopulation and genocide."

It could also be incompetence while trying to confront a novel virus. The politicians/health professionals are all just scrabbling around all over the world trying different ways to cope, juggling between quarantines, vaccines and financial disaster.

All vaccines degrade/or the viruses mutate making the present vaccines ineffective (e.g. the 'flu vaccine yearly updates).

I have said it before. It's hard for humans to believe that people who control their very lives have risen to positions of power and have become incompetent decision makers. We used to, and still do, ascribe deities with the power of competently making decisions over our lives.

Last Edited by Lago on 10/23/2021 05:17 PM

"AVOID CATCHING IT." Absolutely agree. Unfortunately, the majority of the worlds workers do not have that luxury and have to work that day to eat that night. Being a hermit for a couple of years in your 30's, 40's or 50's is possible for some people. However, when your allotted 3 score years and 10 is approaching or has passed, it's a little more difficult to be so sanguine.

Last Edited by Lago on 10/23/2021 02:56 PM

The mRNA vaccine, being fundamentally a virus itself which infects cells to produce the spike…thus activating an immune response…injected intravenously will infect the anything in its path…the heart, which ultimately results in myocarditis and other organs…in the heart this is likely permanent damage…

The vaccine manufacturers are safe from legal malpractice but not those injecting the vaccine…I’d say you can seek damages…more studies are now indicating this may be the cause of some vaccine injuries.

Scary for kids who have a greater likelihood of the injection entering a blood vessel directly?

PS: Posted this question several months ago…now it looks to be likely through experts looking into it…paramedicUK remembers, he found it interesting while other though it as ridiculous….

even so, there are some good tactics they can use. best PPE they can find including gloves and goggles. good washing tactics not just hands but also stuff they carry daily or bring into their homes. by rights that should include car keys, purses,wallets,and belts. avoiding ppl doesn't need to mean all at any distance. can mean 6 feet outdoors depending on wind and temp.

won't b totally fool proof but can b practical as well.

what we do know based on history is man makes things worse. we learn mistakes over time. in the case of this virus, odds are that won't b until half the population is dead and 10yrs has passed. then they'll look back and say they should have done this and not done that. the this and that can b debated from now til then.


think history will show TRUMP's tactics were better than JB's thus far. beefing up production in the country of meds,PPE,and equipment would have saved more lives. shutting down air travel way early on between ALL nations would have also. also being honest with the public early on instead of arguing IMPEACHMENT would have moved the ppl's focus to fend off the virus. that time and energy could have been used to educate the public and med community on what was happening.

Jazz, the basic difference between our outlooks is I believe the vaccines and boosters reduce the chance of being a carrier (less viral load over time--you do not get sick, which presumably requires a higher viral load?), reduce the chance of being hospitalized, and reduce the chance of dying. You may not.

Looking around the people that my family know (my sons know many more people through work than my wife and I do) we are just not seeing deaths or major illness in the vaccinated and some of our friends were the first being vaccinated about ten months ago, in the medical professions, etc. Also, they are not showing any signs of being immunocompromised. Indeed, several have commented that because they have been wearing masks at work/or as they have been vaccinated, they have had less colds, etc. I know this all anecdotal, but I am a doubting Thomas.

I have seen through my Indian friends, the ravages of Covid up close especially around August 2021, ripping through unvaccinated villages, killing and maiming working age heads of family. You can read my previous posts so you know I am not making this up.

From what I heard, seen pictures, videos (bodies floating down rivers--NO. this does NOT happen every year in such quantities) etc, the unvaccinated in rural Indian villages suffered far worst than the vaccinated do now. What am I supposed to conclude? Am I supposed to become a hermit for 3 - 5 years waiting for more evidence to come in? That is a wait I will not and, especially at our age, cannot make. My younger friends and family have all come to the same conclusion.

Last Edited by Lago on 10/24/2021 12:00 PM

haha, ok, thanks. :-)

"what if - u did make someone sick by carrying the virus? how would u feel if u did infect someone and they died? u could catch covid mid flight and not know."

They are both around many vaccinated people that fly so they have already made that decision and have come to terms with it. Now, all the people we may come into contact that are unvaccinated, well, they have made their choice as well.

Last Edited by Lago on 10/24/2021 12:38 PM

Lago,
I know you're in discussion with Jazz, but I wondered if you saw this?



I honestly can't see how you can hold the belief that the vaccines reduce the chance of being a carrier! The bar charts are rates, per 100k of the population of vaxxed or unvaxxed people.

The definition of a carrier might be someone who is infected and infectious without knowing it. Vaccinaion seems to cause people who would otherwise be alerted by their immune systems to blissfully and unknowingly hold the virus and transmit it.

Prime Minister Boris J. admitted the same:-

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Vaccinated people are likely more dangerous to the unvaxed than the unvaxed are to eachother...

EDIT: btw you cant infer much/anything from the u18 because the population vaxxed/unvaxxed is so small/large respectively that there is a HUGE error on that measurement.

I also did thr 1-or-more-vaxxed plot for the age-groups, and it is much more even for the u18's..

Last Edited by S-man on 10/23/2021 04:00 PM

"what if- u have to take shots the rest of your life? every 6mths. again u are trusting MSM and DR FRANKENSTEIN to b honest bout the reports and data."

After working in Nigeria and Saudi Arabia, and taking several shots at 3 monthly intervals, not a problem.

Do I believe vaccine manufactures are making billions through these mandates, absolutely. Do I believe they are pushing mandates using every tool they have available be it bribery, connections, politics (The pharmaceutical industry has the most powerful lobbying agency at about 4.45 billion over the past 22 years... [link to www.investopedia.com (secure)] etc..) Sure.

Do I believe they want to destroy billions of the very people that they are providing vaccines for, and will be, probably, for decades? This does not strike me as a very good part of this very lucrative business model. Used as an idiom as early as 600 B.C., "Don't bite the hand that feeds you."

Last Edited by Lago on 10/24/2021 12:39 PM

Believe the data!

I do understand that as a vaccinated person if infected, I may well be asymptomatic and do stuff I would not do and infect people around me, etc. If I felt too sick, I would not go out and infect someone. However, personally, apart from this upcoming east coast trip we hope to make, my pre- and post- vaccine behavior (mask use and "outside only" restaurant eating) has not changed.

That is why I am experiencing some angst about this behavior changing upcoming trip. However, as previously mentioned, by definition all the people I will come into contact with on these flights are not hermits, and have made their own decisions about their risks. I know children and babies, etc. did not have that privilege.

Last Edited by Lago on 10/25/2021 10:11 AM

Ok, so maybe I have misunderstood you.
How does what you said above make you less likely to be a carrier?
(not your behaviour/'promiscuity', but your physiology)

You agree that as a result of vaccination you are more likely to be asymptomatic (having presumed you caught it, which is a long shot I agree..)

We have data to suggest there is a higher case rate in vaxxed persons...

Together, these two inferences would imply a greater chance being a carrier if vaccinated.

Horrible example, but: what if you caught the infection from someone on the plane, didn't get any signal from your imune system, and went on to transmit?

This is where I have fundamental differences with many on this thread. I believe vaccines reduce the severity of infection, and reduce the risk of dying.

I am not so sure about the risk of being a virus carrier. The possibility of the vaccine reducing your viral load should be set against the dangers of being asymptomatic, infected and spreading the virus. This is, at best, inconclusive. At worst, maybe you are correct.

As far as I know, we will not come into contact with unvaccinated people who are friends with my Navy son and his girlfriend. They are all vaccinated. We intend to sightsee in Florida (first visit). Any person we meet casually will be in an outside setting (Floridians do not appear to worry about masks, even in grocery stores). If we go inside, we will be wearing our masks. Best we can do.

In Czechia as I have heared 30-40% people in hospital now are fully vaxxed. Despite that the government is making life harder for anyone who isn't starting next month similarly to Austria or Germany where you can't go anywhere without a jab/negative test and test validity decreases from 1 week to 3 days for PCR and from 3 days to 1 day for AG, respectively.

even if LAGO is correct with this statement " I believe vaccines reduce the severity of infection, and reduce the risk of dying." , I would still not get the vax. due to health issues of me and GF ,the odds are the vax would do more harm than good. the other thing is this may appear true today but not over a few years or with more factual data.

that comes back to what i tried to say- the only way to make a informed decision is to have ALL the facts,good and bad both. afraid we do not have them from any of our govern's. the actions by our own CDC shows incompetance and misleading the public. hence, they should not b trusted at all. the ppl have the right to decide for themself rather to take a vax or not. but the ppl do not have the honest, true facts.

as for LAGO's trip. #1> search for better PPE. teach the wife and any others who are living with u or may travel with u, how to use the PPE and why it is so critical to avoid this virus. hopefully, u have done this over the past year and a half. double check the procedures for holes that may lead to contamination or exposure.

2> is there a way to do this trip without flying? train/drive? might take longer but b less risky. if not then time the trip. middle of night would b less ppl than the day time. offset a week from a holiday would help also.

3>listen to your own instincts or inner voice. if something tells u to stay home, do so. u don't need us to explain that to u at all. our subconscious does know more than we might think.

b careful but also b wise too.

I agree that the vaccines appear to reduce severity and death in the short term. I think the picture will be very different when we view the age-groups with a proper level of side-effects and increase the time duration of analysis from 28d.

But on the carrier front, I would point you to the example of Marek's disease (chickens) - where the viral loads in vaccinated chickens was higher. A virus survival strategy, if you will.. it needed to replicate more to get from A to B, so it did just that.

I also note that the viral load measurements for human covid vaxes have been (I think, so far) only nasopharyngeal area swabs. These are notoriously inaccurate and suggest only an equalization of viral load between vax/unvax.

I assert that if serological tests were done, we may already be at the stage where vaccinated people carry a higher viral load.

So, I think your statement "I believe the vaccines and boosters reduce the chance of being a carrier" to be misconceived.

PS -I agree with Jazz on the PPE.
FFP3 masks worked in Addenbrookes hospital, Cambridge.

Last Edited by S-man on 10/23/2021 06:47 PM

57% of the Czech public is vaxxed, so 43% of the population that is not vaccinated make up 65% of the hospitalized.

In Massachusetts where I can actually link to the data, the 30% of the population that is unvaccinated make up 65% of the hospitalized.

The thing I think nobody is getting is, everything's gonna be OK... even if it isn't.

We're victims of a sequence of events set in motion a billion years before we were born.

To think we can sway the momentum of whatever may come is truly a human fallacy.

Then why the anger? Why the aggressive posts…regardless of the trolls, I’m sure you realize no one knows the outcome of the vaccines long term and no one knows if the unvaccinated will be better or worse off…in the years ahead.

I can’t figure out why so many care so much about people they don’t care about…either way let it be if one side or the other die…who cares…only those alive will know they were right and I’d say…they chose their own path…it was right for them…

I like your reasoned posts but I don’t like useless posts…everyone is wrong and everyone is right at this point in the pandemic!

case anyone wants this AFTER ARMAGEDDON - documentary from the history chaanel. starts as a pandemic in CA then grid goes down.

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HAL, let's play a game...

list of top things preppers plan for no particular order-

#1> near the top of ever list, PANDEMIC check this off the list,currently happening

#2> ECONOMIC COLLAPSE check off list ,in progressn

#3> CW.

#4> WW3

#5> meteor or astronomical event let's hope they all don't hit at once

#6> GRID DOWN via CME, EMP, hackers or local weather emergency

#7> major weather anomaly. this can include ice age, freak storm as in TX with winter,could cause local problems or food crisis

#8> pole shift, see some do fit together.

#9> VOLCANO- should have said SUPER- s in AKA YELLOWSTONE level. are we on edge of this too???

#10> terrorim that leads to some of the above such as grid down and lack of food. i'll include could b govern caused.

feel free to add your own events that u prep for.

Because I get angry when I see people posting things that they know aren't true.

I've been wrong many times, we all have. But the things I was wrong about, I thought were true at the time.

When I see people posting things I know they know are bullshit, I can't fucking take it. This is serious business.

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OUT OF Vancouver Canada

What is the Plan?
.Reduce the population or
.Create an army of cyborg slaves

Why would they want an army of useless eaters when they want to reduce the human population by 80-90% ?

The reality is that they have all done everything in their power to avoid giving us a complete and accurate picture as to the potential and affects of these vaccines. A complete picture is giving all affects both the good and adverse. They lie, they threaten, they coerce, they mock, and even our President says hate speech to the unvaxxed. It is not a game I want to play in.

It is my understanding that you can still spread and get the virus, even vaxxed. You can still spread it to the vaxxed.