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The Rapture is the final Judgement Against the Modern Day Church.

 
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NO there is no rapture and Jesus started NO CHURCH at all.
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WRONG as always candace....yes the christian church began with GOD's only begotten son. He didn't start wicked and evil urantia cult....in FACT, he's already declared that you and your cult DO NOT PREVAIL

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

there is no rapture/resurrection event for those in the urantia cult. they stay right here and serve satan of nebadon's coming antichrist.
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The "modern day church" was called Laodicea by Christ Jesus in Revelation ch 3...

What HE Said there was most Laodiceans are "lukewarm" and will be "spewn forth from MY Mouth".

It ain't rejection of the false dogma of pre or mid-trib "rapture" that is cause for the Laodicean rejection though...


It goes a lot further and deeper than this simply false teaching.


What it comes down to is that most Christians Claim that they Love God; but they never manifest their hearts Unto Father-God To Prove Their Love...

Everything Jesus Did and Said was In Service Unto HIS Father.

Jesus Brought The Gospel and Gave HIS Life To Redeem Us Because Father-God So Willed It. Wasn't Jesus' idea to be our Saviour. In fact, in Gaethsemane, HE Sweated Blood before HE Accepted HIS Father's Will for what had to be done on calvary. HE Asked twice for "another way".

Not because of the physical sufferings HE Would Endure, but because to Redeem Us, HE had to be cut-off from HIS Father for a duration of time and this was the cause of HIS Agony.

Father-God Cannot Look Upon sin... This was why HE Ordained Jesus To Become Man, to ransom HIS Creation with HIS Blood.


It takes surrendering self, control of your life and giving up your self-will Unto The Father To Become Ezekiel 36:26-27 Born-Again.

"Marvel not that I Say unto you: Ye MUST Be Born-Again!" john 3:7...... "...No man Cometh Unto The Father but BY ME!" john 14:6

Laodiceans are unable to find it within themselves to Trust God Fully and Give HIM all they are and all they ever will be.


In Matthew 7:21 Jesus Says HE ONLY KNOWS those "Who DO The Will Of My Father Which Art In Heaven".

In verse 22, some Christians remind HIM, seeking admission to Heaven, that they did "Miracles, Cast-Out demons, and Prophesied In HIS Name"

In verse 23, Jesus Tells them "Depart from ME, you who work iniquity: I KNOW YOU NOT!"

They were "workers of iniquity" because they never Came Unto The Father To BE Born-Again.


Laodicean Chrisitans aren't willing to Trust Jesus' Witness. In John 17:15, Jesus IS Witnessing By Praying Unto HIS Father. HE asks Father-God not to take HIS People from this world, but to "Preserve them against all evil".

Laodiceans fear that God's Wrath will be poured out upon them. Thus, "the rapture", born out of fear... Yet, Father Did Cause HIS Angel of death to Pass Over the Hebrews in Egypt; and Jesus Does Pray-Witness that HIS People are "Preserved against all evil"...


Depart from Me, you who work iniquity: I KNOW YOU NOT!


Gonna be pretty rough to hear, after you've lied to yourself all your life about how God knows I'm good and shit.


Can't find it in your heart to Take Action and Tell God that you Love and Trust HIM Completely?

It's just proof of St. James Witness that "Faith without works (Taking Action) is dead!

Your failure to manifest your heart Unto The Father proves your alienation from HIM.


It ain't your church that matters, it's your Love For God and Willingness to Come Unto The Father and accept HIS Will and Guidance for the rest of your life.

If you can't find witness to this Truth in your heart; oh well...



These are the final moments.
If you Love HIM; Time To Tell HIM So!


Maranatha!!!
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Do yourself a favor and read a book called Chariots of the Gods...it will change your life
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put I've heard of it but have no particular desire to read it.

In the end this type of book is just some authors opinion and theory's, and are never Biblically accurate. The Left Behind book/s are filled with evil and directly serve Satan's agenda. To me it's kind of like trying to discover the Lord by watching the TBN...It ain't going to happen because it's just a hollow shell filled with lies.
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uiet: Yes I can. During the last nearly 2,000 years there have been many children who where fortunate enough to have been born into loving Christian families, in times and places where there was very little in the way of persecution going on. For various reasons these children died young and in the Lord. (Obviously we have all suffered some problems so please stop with the setting of word traps.

And dont forget what the Bible says in Isaiah. Isaiah 57 1 The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.
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I've already addressed BOTH of those.

You most defiantly did not satisfactorily address the question of what the bible says in Isaiah. It shows you up to be a liar.
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"Children who die young" WENT THROUGH Tribulation.

That is obvious.

ALL of the Apostles suffered tribulation. NONE "escaped".
Even John had to leave Israel - and was exiled on Patmos.

YOUR opinion doesn't matter.

The FACTS of scripture DO.
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"Alive and remain"....FROM WHAT? Not normal everyday living for sure.

ONLY an event or series of events would fulfill the "results" of "we who are alive AND remain".

The TRIBULATION!

"Overcome" / "overconeth" / "endure" / "endureth"

is the SAME as....

"Alive AND REMAIN".


1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mark 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
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YOUR opinion doesn't matter.

The FACTS of scripture DO.

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redfalcon Then why do you have so many problems with passages like isaiah 57:1 which directly contradict what you keep saying about their being no Rapture?

Isaiah 57 1 The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.
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YOUR opinion doesn't matter.

The FACTS of scripture DO.

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con: Then why do you have so many problems with passages like isaiah 57:1 which directly contradict what you keep saying about their being no Rapture?

Isaiah 57 1 The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.
 Quoting: Judethz


It doesn't matter what that verse says.
Jesus gave us SPECIFICS concerning the End Tines.
And Paul's words MATCH what Jesus said.

0. Jesus CLEARLY states in the Gospels that He retrurns AFTER the Tribulation.
...The sequence of events in Revelation MATCH that.
...Paul says those who are "alive and remain", meaning they ENDURED dangerous events.

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1. Luke 21:28 Jesus says to "look up".
...Matthew 24:30 "see the sign of the Son of Man"
...Mark 13:26 "see the Son of Man coming coming in the clouds"
...Luke 21:27 "see the Son of man coming in a cloud"
...Acts 1:11 "shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven."

Paul says in 1 Thessalonians 4...

"caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air"

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2. "Overcome" / "overconeth" / "endure" / "endureth"

is the SAME as "Alive AND REMAIN".

1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mark 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
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YOUR opinion doesn't matter.

The FACTS of scripture DO.

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Az3 Then why do you have so many problems with passages like isaiah 57:1 which directly contradict what you keep saying about their being no Rapture?

Isaiah 57 1 The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.
 Quoting: Judethz


It doesn't matter what that verse says.
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ball4 Oh yes it does. We Christians can convincingly make the case for the Rapture by keeping true to the Bible. Whereas people like you ride roughshod over the truth.

Luk 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
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This is the tribulation
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This is the tribulation
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Not yet.

Learn what defines the Tribulation period. Don't just guess...
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This is the tribulation
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Not yet.

Learn what defines the Tribulation period. Don't just guess...
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You know everything you don't need me.
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This is the tribulation
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Not yet.

Learn what defines the Tribulation period. Don't just guess...
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You know everything you don't need me.
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blinkerrose Not quite yet but we are very close. As best I understand it there will be some great and terrible event, probably involving nuclear war and most likely in the Mid East, and it will be very sudden. I'm hoping/expecting that the Rapture will happen just before then, but like everyone else I'll just have to be ready. And that means staying close to the Lord who is the only one who can save us from this mess.
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YOUR opinion doesn't matter.

The FACTS of scripture DO.

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3: Then why do you have so many problems with passages like isaiah 57:1 which directly contradict what you keep saying about their being no Rapture?

Isaiah 57 1 The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.
 Quoting: Judethz


It doesn't matter what that verse says.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79200133


ll4: Oh yes it does. We Christians can convincingly make the case for the Rapture by keeping true to the Bible. Whereas people like you ride roughshod over the truth.

Luk 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
 Quoting: Judethz


The fake pre-trib rapture isn't "the Word of God".

It's doctine that's NOT supported be a CORRECT understanding of what Paul says.

The scriptural comparisons I posted above show that CLEARLY.
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The fake pre-trib rapture isn't "the Word of God".

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german7 There's nothing fake about it, as you will quickly find out after we've gone and the world plunges into

chaos and horror.

PS: What about all the infants and young children, you want that they should suffer to?
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God Is King over All the Earth
To the chief Musician, A Psalm for the sons of Korah.

Psa 47:1 O clap your hands, all ye people; shout unto God with the voice of triumph. 
Psa 47:2  For the LORD most high is terrible; he is a great King over all the earth. 
Psa 47:3  He shall subdue the people under us, and the nations under our feet. 
Psa 47:4  He shall choose our inheritance for us, the excellency of Jacob whom he loved. Selah. 
Psa 47:5  God is gone up with a shout, the LORD with the sound of a trumpet. 
Psa 47:6  Sing praises to God, sing praises: sing praises unto our King, sing praises. 
Psa 47:7  For God is the King of all the earth: sing ye praises with understanding. 
Psa 47:8  God reigneth over the heathen: God sitteth upon the throne of his holiness. 
Psa 47:9  The princes of the people are gathered together, even the people of the God of Abraham: for the shields of the earth belong unto God: he is greatly exalted. 

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YOUR opinion doesn't matter.

The FACTS of scripture DO.

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Az3 Then why do you have so many problems with passages like isaiah 57:1 which directly contradict what you keep saying about their being no Rapture?

Isaiah 57 1 The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.
 Quoting: Judethz


It doesn't matter what that verse says.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79200133


ball4 Oh yes it does. We Christians can convincingly make the case for the Rapture by keeping true to the Bible. Whereas people like you ride roughshod over the truth.

Luk 4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
 Quoting: Judethz


german3 I think that I've finally discovered why arguing with people like you is like arguing with a brick wall. wall
(Better late than never I suppose.)

“But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” 1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV)
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:blinker:rose Not quite yet but we are very close. As best I understand it there will be some great and terrible event, probably involving nuclear war and most likely in the Mid East, and it will be very sudden. I'm hoping/expecting that the Rapture will happen just before then, but like everyone else I'll just have to be ready. And that means staying close to the Lord who is the only one who can save us from this mess.
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Judethz,
I woke up with these words, first moment of being awake - and it was very clear;

GUARD YOUR HEART

Looked at Bible Hub for all the scripture references that pertained to those words. There was a lot there to reflect on.
For me, to guard my heart - is to cut off all worldly distractions and to stay very close to the Lord in these last few days.
To not listen or read anything that will disrupt the peace that the Lord gives.
So, that means I'm leaving glp. Thank you, Judethz.. for sharing all those threads where you got bashed and thrashed for your efforts to enlighten and teach.
Some listened and believed.
You were faithful.

A blog called Revelation 12 Daily had a new post today that was encouraging. ( Rev12daily.blogspot.com )


I thought I'd share my last few posts here... and confirm what you said about "staying close to the Lord" to maintain the peace that passes understanding.
Also, we are called to dwell in the secret place of the Most High... (psalm 91). I memorized that psalm .. you know why.

Philippians 4:7
And the peace of God which passes all understanding will guard your hearts and minds through Jesus Christ.
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blinkerrose Not quite yet but we are very close. As best I understand it there will be some great and terrible event, probably involving nuclear war and most likely in the Mid East, and it will be very sudden. I'm hoping/expecting that the Rapture will happen just before then, but like everyone else I'll just have to be ready. And that means staying close to the Lord who is the only one who can save us from this mess.
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Judethz,
I woke up with these words, first moment of being awake - and it was very clear;

GUARD YOUR HEART

Looked at Bible Hub for all the scripture references that pertained to those words. There was a lot there to reflect on.
For me, to guard my heart - is to cut off all worldly distractions and to stay very close to the Lord in these last few days.
To not listen or read anything that will disrupt the peace that the Lord gives.
So, that means I'm leaving glp. Thank you, Judethz.. for sharing all those threads where you got bashed and thrashed for your efforts to enlighten and teach.
Some listened and believed.
You were faithful.

A blog called Revelation 12 Daily had a new post today that was encouraging. ( Rev12daily.blogspot.com )


I thought I'd share my last few posts here... and confirm what you said about "staying close to the Lord" to maintain the peace that passes understanding.
Also, we are called to dwell in the secret place of the Most High... (psalm 91). I memorized that psalm .. you know why.

Philippians 4:7
And the peace of God which passes all understanding will guard your hearts and minds through Jesus Christ.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71518620


sitquiet Thanks 8620 it is always good to hear from other believers who know that huge changes are headed our way and who understand that Jesus Christ is our only hope. I hope to meet up with you one day very soon. I can understand your reasons for leaving GLP and I suppose that for you that would be the best decision. I know the place is a mess, but to a fair degree I reckon that that reflects society, which is also a mess. But it's the best we have and (for now at least) it is still possible to preach the Christian message remaining faithful to the Bible. Besides I just renewed my yearly subscription and I want my moneys worth.

I wish all the best to you and yours. hf
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The fake pre-trib rapture isn't "the Word of God".

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man7: There's nothing fake about it, as you will quickly find out after we've gone and the world plunges into

chaos and horror.

PS: What about all the infants and young children, you want that they should suffer to?
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WHY do you suppose Jesus says THIS concerning the End Times?

Matthew 24:19 And woe unto them that are with
child,

and to them that give suck in those days!


Children have never been "exempt" from tribulation.

They won't be exempt in the End Times either.
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The fake pre-trib rapture isn't "the Word of God".

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man7: There's nothing fake about it, as you will quickly find out after we've gone and the world plunges into

chaos and horror.

PS: What about all the infants and young children, you want that they should suffer to?
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WHY do you suppose Jesus says THIS concerning the End Times?

Matthew 24:19 And woe unto them that are with
child,

and to them that give suck in those days!


Children have never been "exempt" from tribulation.

They won't be exempt in the End Times either.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79245019


summer

Well they will be when they get taken up in the Rapture wont they.

KJV 1 Thess. 4 13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
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