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Death Plane 2! More Secrets of the Boeing 737 MAX with Paul Spencer

 
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Death Plane 2! More Secrets of the Boeing 737 MAX with Paul Spencer
In this continued detailed analysis Paul Spencer analyses the US congressional report concerning the BOEING 737 MAX, what changes BOEING has made with the MCAS system prior to the re-release of the 737 MAX, basic aviation questions and more secrets of the 737 MAX aka “Death Plane”. Pilot Paul Spencer has been flying commercial Boeing aircraft for over 25 years.

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It's almost like they planned for it to fail,or somebody sabotaged it.

That leaves open the possibility for all kinds of theories as to why.
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A successful Boeing makes it very difficult for another country like China to develop a profitable aircraft manufacturer... So who knows who would want the 737 Max to fail.
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There is no conspiracy here. It is very simple. Boeing was one of the finest, if not THE finest airplane manufacturer in the world... and then failed former commercial airliner manufacturer McDonnell Douglas bought in and it was all downhill from there.

It started almost from the outset of the merger... the 737NG and the 787 are also total crap. It is just a miracle that more accidents haven't happened.

This is what happens when you have the culture of a spoiled rotten defense contractor running a commercial airline business.

The FAA is totally corrupt as well (U.S.government of course) and is 50% responsible for this.
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There is no conspiracy here. It is very simple. Boeing was one of the finest, if not THE finest airplane manufacturer in the world... and then failed former commercial airliner manufacturer McDonnell Douglas bought in and it was all downhill from there.

It started almost from the outset of the merger... the 737NG and the 787 are also total crap. It is just a miracle that more accidents haven't happened.

This is what happens when you have the culture of a spoiled rotten defense contractor running a commercial airline business.

The FAA is totally corrupt as well (U.S.government of course) and is 50% responsible for this.
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The 787 is not total crap as far as I know. The MD-11 (MD for McDonnell Douglas) was not total crap, in fact it had the first commercial Flight Management System on it. You could push a button, and the plane could taxi, take off, fly to destination and land all with no further human intervention.

All Boeing has to do is stop making this MAX crap and go back to making any of its other aircraft. It's like the company itself is trying to fail. If they keep this up we'll start buying Airbus 320's again, or the new Chinese equivalent.
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It's almost like they planned for it to fail,or somebody sabotaged it.

That leaves open the possibility for all kinds of theories as to why.
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EVERYTHING is planned to fail.
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I have been flying Boeing aircraft for 34 years now and have flown every 737 variant. Boeing is and always has been my favorite to fly. But the company has lost sight of what it once was.

Also to blame is the pilot training, particularly in the developing world. A lot of the pilots in Asia, Africa and the Middle East are very weak at best. Some paid their way through flight school. Lots of fake licenses, or pilots who were sons of the elite who paid others to take their training for them. This is a secret of the industry. The pilot that flies you in Pakistan may not even have a real license.

The problems with the MAX could have been handled by competent pilots. Sad that it wasn't so...
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Don’t fly third world country airlines. The requirements to actually be able to fly just aren’t there. This is why none crashed here in the states. Our pilots are the real deal.
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It's almost like they planned for it to fail,or somebody sabotaged it.

That leaves open the possibility for all kinds of theories as to why.
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Actually, it was bad programming by cheap outsourced labor from India...
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There is no conspiracy here. It is very simple. Boeing was one of the finest, if not THE finest airplane manufacturer in the world... and then failed former commercial airliner manufacturer McDonnell Douglas bought in and it was all downhill from there.

It started almost from the outset of the merger... the 737NG and the 787 are also total crap. It is just a miracle that more accidents haven't happened.

This is what happens when you have the culture of a spoiled rotten defense contractor running a commercial airline business.

The FAA is totally corrupt as well (U.S.government of course) and is 50% responsible for this.
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The 787 is not total crap as far as I know. The MD-11 (MD for McDonnell Douglas) was not total crap, in fact it had the first commercial Flight Management System on it. You could push a button, and the plane could taxi, take off, fly to destination and land all with no further human intervention.

All Boeing has to do is stop making this MAX crap and go back to making any of its other aircraft. It's like the company itself is trying to fail. If they keep this up we'll start buying Airbus 320's again, or the new Chinese equivalent.
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I was on a 787 last week and its an amazing plane. We flew into an electrical storm and it handled brilliantly.
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Re: Death Plane 2! More Secrets of the Boeing 737 MAX with Paul Spencer
I have been flying Boeing aircraft for 34 years now and have flown every 737 variant. Boeing is and always has been my favorite to fly. But the company has lost sight of what it once was.

Also to blame is the pilot training, particularly in the developing world. A lot of the pilots in Asia, Africa and the Middle East are very weak at best. Some paid their way through flight school. Lots of fake licenses, or pilots who were sons of the elite who paid others to take their training for them. This is a secret of the industry. The pilot that flies you in Pakistan may not even have a real license.

The problems with the MAX could have been handled by competent pilots. Sad that it wasn't so...
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That's not entirely true. The crashes happened due to failures in the sensor. This isn't an uncommon problem, but MCAS only takes its input from 1 sensor on each flight. The runaway trim could have been avoided if the pilots were told how to turn the MCAS system off. It was a training issue. Also there are so many bells and whistles going off in the cockpit that it creates confusion and the pilots simply did not have the time or know-how to react.

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It's almost like they planned for it to fail,or somebody sabotaged it.

That leaves open the possibility for all kinds of theories as to why.
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....China's micro-chips...
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A successful Boeing makes it very difficult for another country like China to develop a profitable aircraft manufacturer... So who knows who would want the 737 Max to fail.
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Or Airbus, from our aLlIeS in the EUSSR
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It's almost like they planned for it to fail,or somebody sabotaged it.

That leaves open the possibility for all kinds of theories as to why.
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Actually, it was bad programming by cheap outsourced labor from India...
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PRECISELY.
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Re: Death Plane 2! More Secrets of the Boeing 737 MAX with Paul Spencer
There is no conspiracy here. It is very simple. Boeing was one of the finest, if not THE finest airplane manufacturer in the world... and then failed former commercial airliner manufacturer McDonnell Douglas bought in and it was all downhill from there.

It started almost from the outset of the merger... the 737NG and the 787 are also total crap. It is just a miracle that more accidents haven't happened.

This is what happens when you have the culture of a spoiled rotten defense contractor running a commercial airline business.

The FAA is totally corrupt as well (U.S.government of course) and is 50% responsible for this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74869053


The 787 is not total crap as far as I know. The MD-11 (MD for McDonnell Douglas) was not total crap, in fact it had the first commercial Flight Management System on it. You could push a button, and the plane could taxi, take off, fly to destination and land all with no further human intervention.

All Boeing has to do is stop making this MAX crap and go back to making any of its other aircraft. It's like the company itself is trying to fail. If they keep this up we'll start buying Airbus 320's again, or the new Chinese equivalent.
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Bad management is like a cancer. MBA's with extreme delusions.
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I have been flying Boeing aircraft for 34 years now and have flown every 737 variant. Boeing is and always has been my favorite to fly. But the company has lost sight of what it once was.

Also to blame is the pilot training, particularly in the developing world. A lot of the pilots in Asia, Africa and the Middle East are very weak at best. Some paid their way through flight school. Lots of fake licenses, or pilots who were sons of the elite who paid others to take their training for them. This is a secret of the industry. The pilot that flies you in Pakistan may not even have a real license.

The problems with the MAX could have been handled by competent pilots. Sad that it wasn't so...
 Quoting: Capt Dan


hesright
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After living in Seattle and knowing Boeing well... this can be explained in one word "H1B".
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It's almost like they planned for it to fail,or somebody sabotaged it.

That leaves open the possibility for all kinds of theories as to why.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78139144


Actually, it was bad programming by cheap outsourced labor from India...
 Quoting: JoeNobHead


PRECISELY.
 Quoting: Shiva ascendant


My brother in law worked for them for years, eventually retired with a good pension.

He said it started downhill when they installed the "moving line". Like auto manufacturers do. He said quality took a turn for the worse when they did that.

Since then, management moved their headquarters out of Washington state, and no one really knows what's going on.

Then they started the outsourcing of code for the planes. He said that was their worst move ever.
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Who had the power to take over Boeing and build a death plane and sell it to the world without test flying it in the air? Answer that question.I said,answer THAT question.
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Don’t fly third world country airlines. The requirements to actually be able to fly just aren’t there. This is why none crashed here in the states. Our pilots are the real deal.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76793049


See, locally sold smart phones in South Korea or China, batteries last for several days without being charged. Yet the one they export to other countries, a couple of phone calls bring down the battery power to below 50%.
It could be the same with 737 MAX. Evil is everywhere in the world. Those planes that are operated by countries other than the country of their production, might have been
sabotaged to cause the planes crash.
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you can get the entire flight system software on the dark web..

that plus a little ambition and you can down a plane.
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There is no conspiracy here. It is very simple. Boeing was one of the finest, if not THE finest airplane manufacturer in the world... and then failed former commercial airliner manufacturer McDonnell Douglas bought in and it was all downhill from there.

It started almost from the outset of the merger... the 737NG and the 787 are also total crap. It is just a miracle that more accidents haven't happened.

This is what happens when you have the culture of a spoiled rotten defense contractor running a commercial airline business.

The FAA is totally corrupt as well (U.S.government of course) and is 50% responsible for this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74869053


The 787 is not total crap as far as I know. The MD-11 (MD for McDonnell Douglas) was not total crap, in fact it had the first commercial Flight Management System on it. You could push a button, and the plane could taxi, take off, fly to destination and land all with no further human intervention.

All Boeing has to do is stop making this MAX crap and go back to making any of its other aircraft. It's like the company itself is trying to fail. If they keep this up we'll start buying Airbus 320's again, or the new Chinese equivalent.
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You’re exactly right!
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It's almost like they planned for it to fail,or somebody sabotaged it.

That leaves open the possibility for all kinds of theories as to why.
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Actually, it was bad programming by cheap outsourced labor from India...
 Quoting: JoeNobHead


^Correct
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Re: Death Plane 2! More Secrets of the Boeing 737 MAX with Paul Spencer
I have been flying Boeing aircraft for 34 years now and have flown every 737 variant. Boeing is and always has been my favorite to fly. But the company has lost sight of what it once was.

Also to blame is the pilot training, particularly in the developing world. A lot of the pilots in Asia, Africa and the Middle East are very weak at best. Some paid their way through flight school. Lots of fake licenses, or pilots who were sons of the elite who paid others to take their training for them. This is a secret of the industry. The pilot that flies you in Pakistan may not even have a real license.

The problems with the MAX could have been handled by competent pilots. Sad that it wasn't so...
 Quoting: Capt Dan


You are correct. The recent Pakistani Aircrash the pilot tried to land without landing gear down.....I mean who the hell does that??
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The basic design of the 737max8 is idiotic. If you want to use giant engines likethat, the airplane has to be a high wing design like the Antonov158.
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It’s pretty simple, 12$/h1b’s and shitty management, fire em all. We’ve had the best and the brightest perfecting this technology for 7 decades there are no excuses for failure.
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I have been flying Boeing aircraft for 34 years now and have flown every 737 variant. Boeing is and always has been my favorite to fly. But the company has lost sight of what it once was.

Also to blame is the pilot training, particularly in the developing world. A lot of the pilots in Asia, Africa and the Middle East are very weak at best. Some paid their way through flight school. Lots of fake licenses, or pilots who were sons of the elite who paid others to take their training for them. This is a secret of the industry. The pilot that flies you in Pakistan may not even have a real license.

The problems with the MAX could have been handled by competent pilots. Sad that it wasn't so...
 Quoting: Capt Dan


Bunch of tarts calling themselves Chief Engineers now. Lol. Same ole financial hacks.

Boeing is sexing it up with cheap India whores.

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