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COVID-19 - Refuting the narrative (Updated with many more links pg 4)

 
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Publication: Global Research (Canada) - [link to www.globalresearch.ca (secure)]

Author: Professor Michel Chossudovsky [link to www.globalresearch.ca (secure)]

Cited Sources: too many to list, but this piece does a great job disputing the narrative, and also drawing conclusions on “why” that are quite thought provoking. Some of this guy’s other work looks very interesting as well.


Article: Fake Coronavirus Data, Fear Campaign. Spread of the COVID-19 Infection

Snippet: Do not let yourself be misled by the fear campaign, pointing to a Worldwide coronavirus calamity with repeated “predictions” that hundreds of thousands of people are going to die.

These are boldface lies. Scientific assessments of the health impacts of the COVID-19 have been withheld, they do not make the headlines.

While COVID-19 constitutes a serious health issue, why is it the object of a Worldwide fear campaign?

According to the WHO, “The most commonly reported symptoms [COV-19] included fever, dry cough, and shortness of breath, and most patients (80%) experienced mild illness.”

Examine the contradictory headlines:...

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Grain of salt regarding our author in the last piece.

[link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)]

That said, his information cited appears to be pretty sound. I’ve also often found that those getting close to the truth are regularly painted as “conspiracy theorists” with ties to one enemy or another. Nevertheless, read the research and commentary he offers with a bit of care, but definitely pay attention to the sources cited. Kinda hard to refute.

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Publication: Full Measure - [link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Author: Sheryl Attkisson - [link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Cited Sources: Dr. William O'Neill - Medical Director at the Henry Ford Health System in Detroit MI. [link to www.henryford.com (secure)] (highly credentialed by the way).


Video Title: Remdesivir vs Hydroxychloroquine

Snippet: HCQ essentially eats Remdesivir’s lunch, and it’s a helluva lot cheaper! Also goes into the reasons why Fauci might want to promote this expensive alternative that doesn’t work as well. Great Vid. Watch it!

Link to full video:
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Watch the above vid regarding Remdesivir.

I’m well aware of Fauci’s involvement in all of this, including Remdesivir. Also, note my retraction above regarding Fauci and Trump. My point is if Trump were equally invested in this (or involved in the scam at least), he would never have floated HCQ as a viable alternate therapeutic. This one very public mention of same completely scuttles any hope of Remdesivir being the holy grail of COVID cures (which it’s not).

Regarding the WHO, we know for a fact that they were in bed with China from the beginning, and have been wrong on numerous occasions regarding treatment, severity, infection rate, and just about every other detail regarding this disease. In fact, they were quite vocal about China’s “containment measures” heaping praise for the draconian lockdowns at the time (while ignoring their missteps in the earliest stages). They have literally lost all credibility in the handling of this, and should be treated accordingly (which Trump is now doing).

[link to www.theatlantic.com (secure)] (Not a big Trump fan publication, but even the Atlantic appears to agree)

All I’m saying is that I believe that everyone was played on this, including Trump (and many “scientists” that he had no choice but to rely upon), but that his actions to date have proven that he is most definitely not one of the “players.” Fauci is though, and I believe that Trump knows this now, but must play a much more politically intricate game to diffuse the damage done. The other side knows he knows too, which is why we have the chaos we see today.
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I dont think you get it. Of course the WHO was in bed with the Chinese. Wuhan level 2 Lab is one of their labs. That should be evident to you at this stage of the game. Fauci and the NIH/CDC sent them millions of dollars in 2017 to upgrade Wuhan safety procedures and protocols so that the Chinese could collaborate on the worldwide search for an AIDS vaccine. WHO and entire world viro community working together. WHO involved in covering up the origin of the leak and what the makeup of the leaked virus is. The WHO was truthful in their analysis of the danger level and the Nature and trajectory of Covid19 on an epidemi level. No coverup on this. They Knew the virus was made superinfectious because they were always kept fully informed on the progress and studies at Wuhan. They then studied the Wuhan outbreak and came to the conclusions about death rate and impossibility to stop it. They guided the world accordingly and in this regard they were truthful. Their obvious lies as regards to the origin of the disease, which are patently obvious, led everyone to discount all of their statements. The politicians decided not to follow the WHO recommendations.Then the politicians got into the game of who can do the most containment to the point of idiocy. Now, I am not a virologist, and other things could have been added to the underlying corona messenger virus besides the AIDS/HIV spikes. However, those seriously sick have AIDS/HIV. That is why the treatment of choice is the latest AIDS drug Remdesivir. AIDS has a way of reemerging and bypassing the immune system and palliative medicines. That is the history. Whether this outcome is what is in store for those infected is unknown to me. Perhaps the lesser infected have just been vaccinated for AIDS and will not get the disease later on. I dont think the viros Know the answer to that question as COVID19 was a test tube bug undergoing development. It could turn out to have a trap door and emerge in the future to bite even those less infected who exhibited minor or no symptoms. Time will tell. Dont expect any guidance from the CDC on this subject, that is, future susceptibilty.
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Publication: Just The News - Started by John Solomon, a new news site that advertises no opinion. Only facts. [link to thenextweb.com (secure)]

Author: Daniel Payne - [link to justthenews.com (secure)]

Cited Sources: Dr. Harvey Risch - [link to medicine.yale.edu (secure)]


Article: Yale epidemiologist: Dr. Fauci running 'misinformation campaign' against hydroxychloroquine

Snippet: Dr. Harvey Risch, a noted Yale epidemiologist, has accused White House coronavirus task force member Dr. Anthony Fauci of waging a "misinformation campaign" against the drug hydroxychloroquine, claiming the medication has shown consistently encouraging results in treating COVID-19 when used properly.

Hydroxychloroquine has been at the center of a protracted political debate since March, when President Trump cited the drug as a promising possible treatment for the novel coronavirus. HCQ has long been used by doctors to treat malaria along with other syndromes such as arthritis and lupus. The World Health Organization lists it as an essential medicine, while nearly five million Americans hold prescriptions for it.

Since Trump's speculative endorsement of the drug, media outlets and medical officials have for several months aggressively promoted various medical trials that have determined the drug has no effectiveness in fighting COVID-19; many commentators have also insisted, in spite of the drug's decades-long safe track record, that it is too dangerous to be used to cure the disease.

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Publication: Full Measure - [link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Author: Sheryl Attkisson - [link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Cited Sources: Dr. William O'Neill - Medical Director at the Henry Ford Health System in Detroit MI. [link to www.henryford.com (secure)] (highly credentialed by the way).


Video Title: Remdesivir vs Hydroxychloroquine

Snippet: HCQ essentially eats Remdesivir’s lunch, and it’s a helluva lot cheaper! Also goes into the reasons why Fauci might want to promote this expensive alternative that doesn’t work as well. Great Vid. Watch it!

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 Quoting: SaveUSa


Watch the above vid regarding Remdesivir.

I’m well aware of Fauci’s involvement in all of this, including Remdesivir. Also, note my retraction above regarding Fauci and Trump. My point is if Trump were equally invested in this (or involved in the scam at least), he would never have floated HCQ as a viable alternate therapeutic. This one very public mention of same completely scuttles any hope of Remdesivir being the holy grail of COVID cures (which it’s not).

Regarding the WHO, we know for a fact that they were in bed with China from the beginning, and have been wrong on numerous occasions regarding treatment, severity, infection rate, and just about every other detail regarding this disease. In fact, they were quite vocal about China’s “containment measures” heaping praise for the draconian lockdowns at the time (while ignoring their missteps in the earliest stages). They have literally lost all credibility in the handling of this, and should be treated accordingly (which Trump is now doing).

[link to www.theatlantic.com (secure)] (Not a big Trump fan publication, but even the Atlantic appears to agree)

All I’m saying is that I believe that everyone was played on this, including Trump (and many “scientists” that he had no choice but to rely upon), but that his actions to date have proven that he is most definitely not one of the “players.” Fauci is though, and I believe that Trump knows this now, but must play a much more politically intricate game to diffuse the damage done. The other side knows he knows too, which is why we have the chaos we see today.
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I dont think you get it. Of course the WHO was in bed with the Chinese. Wuhan level 2 Lab is one of their labs. That should be evident to you at this stage of the game. Fauci and the NIH/CDC sent them millions of dollars in 2017 to upgrade Wuhan safety procedures and protocols so that the Chinese could collaborate on the worldwide search for an AIDS vaccine. WHO and entire world viro community working together. WHO involved in covering up the origin of the leak and what the makeup of the leaked virus is. The WHO was truthful in their analysis of the danger level and the Nature and trajectory of Covid19 on an epidemi level. No coverup on this. They Knew the virus was made superinfectious because they were always kept fully informed on the progress and studies at Wuhan. They then studied the Wuhan outbreak and came to the conclusions about death rate and impossibility to stop it. They guided the world accordingly and in this regard they were truthful. Their obvious lies as regards to the origin of the disease, which are patently obvious, led everyone to discount all of their statements. The politicians decided not to follow the WHO recommendations.Then the politicians got into the game of who can do the most containment to the point of idiocy. Now, I am not a virologist, and other things could have been added to the underlying corona messenger virus besides the AIDS/HIV spikes. However, those seriously sick have AIDS/HIV. That is why the treatment of choice is the latest AIDS drug Remdesivir. AIDS has a way of reemerging and bypassing the immune system and palliative medicines. That is the history. Whether this outcome is what is in store for those infected is unknown to me. Perhaps the lesser infected have just been vaccinated for AIDS and will not get the disease later on. I dont think the viros Know the answer to that question as COVID19 was a test tube bug undergoing development. It could turn out to have a trap door and emerge in the future to bite even those less infected who exhibited minor or no symptoms. Time will tell. Dont expect any guidance from the CDC on this subject, that is, future susceptibilty.
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I do get it, and agree with you on most of these points. I think that the jury is still out on the AIDS/HIV theories, as well as the effectiveness of Remdesivir (but will research more with this thought in mind). Here’s one article discussing the similarities and why they are not the same.

[link to www.forbes.com (secure)]

I Just don’t think Trump is part of the original game, and I think they’re now trying to frame him with it. I do think he was played though, and he is now attempting to fight them. Been doing so for a while.

Some of your earlier comments indicated that he was complicit, and I disagree, which was the reason for the post.

Thanks again for the contributions. Very informed, and well worth reading.

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Publication: FÉE.org - [link to fee.org (secure)]

Author: Jon Miltimore - [link to fee.org (secure)]


Cited Sources: Anders Tegnell - Sweden’s top epidemiologist.


Article: Sweden’s Actual COVID-19 Results Compared to What Modelers Predicted in April

Snippet: At a press conference last week, Anders Tegnell said a massive decline in new COVID-19 cases shows Sweden’s “lighter touch” strategy is doing what it was designed to do.

“It really is yet another sign that the Swedish strategy is working,” Tegnell, Sweden’s top epidemiologist, said. “It is possible to slow contagion fast with the measures we are taking in Sweden.”

Unlike most nations in the world, Sweden avoided a hard lockdown. The nation of 10 million people instead opted for a strategy that sought to encourage social distancing through public information, cooperation, and individual responsibility. Restaurants, bars, public pools, libraries, and most schools remained open with certain capacity limits...

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Correct. Sweden took the original advice of the WHO which was for spot quarantines and measures to slow the inevitable spread, not economic lockdowns and stay at home orders. They are mostly done with the disease. Other countries will play catch up with case numbers, antibody levels and death toll as Covid19 flows through these areas. The kill rate and infection rate has always been more or less the same as predicted and expected. Seasonal flu rate. Any deviation from these numbers suggest faulty diagnoses in the comorbidity areas. Trump continues to hype the virulence of the disease, as the disease actually presents itself much weaker, and is thoroughly involved in covering this up. He also hopes for a vaccine to be on the market before herd immunity arrives worldwide, and the true numbers of the actual lethality of the disease are inescapable.
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Correct. Sweden took the original advice of the WHO which was for spot quarantines and measures to slow the inevitable spread, not economic lockdowns and stay at home orders. They are mostly done with the disease. Other countries will play catch up with case numbers, antibody levels and death toll as Covid19 flows through these areas. The kill rate and infection rate has always been more or less the same as predicted and expected. Seasonal flu rate. Any deviation from these numbers suggest faulty diagnoses in the comorbidity areas. Trump continues to hype the virulence of the disease, as the disease actually presents itself much weaker, and is thoroughly involved in covering this up. He also hopes for a vaccine to be on the market before herd immunity arrives worldwide, and the true numbers of the actual lethality of the disease are inescapable.
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As far as the AIDS/HIV spikes on the underlying corona messenger virus google what the Indian virologists had to report on their analysis of the genetic structure of Covid early on. They were forced to retract, and no genetic sequencing of the virus has been made public since. Only the Russians alluded to strange things done to the virus. Why no identification or sequencing from the WHO or the CDC or military biowarfare types or anyone else for that matter. Coverup ongoing. Plain as day.
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Correct. Sweden took the original advice of the WHO which was for spot quarantines and measures to slow the inevitable spread, not economic lockdowns and stay at home orders. They are mostly done with the disease. Other countries will play catch up with case numbers, antibody levels and death toll as Covid19 flows through these areas. The kill rate and infection rate has always been more or less the same as predicted and expected. Seasonal flu rate. Any deviation from these numbers suggest faulty diagnoses in the comorbidity areas. Trump continues to hype the virulence of the disease, as the disease actually presents itself much weaker, and is thoroughly involved in covering this up. He also hopes for a vaccine to be on the market before herd immunity arrives worldwide, and the true numbers of the actual lethality of the disease are inescapable.
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As far as the AIDS/HIV spikes on the underlying corona messenger virus google what the Indian virologists had to report on their analysis of the genetic structure of Covid early on. They were forced to retract, and no genetic sequencing of the virus has been made public since. Only the Russians alluded to strange things done to the virus. Why no identification or sequencing from the WHO or the CDC or military biowarfare types or anyone else for that matter. Coverup ongoing. Plain as day.
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Absolutely a coverup of massive proportions. Beginning to now believe that Trump and those working with him are increasingly complicit the longer this goes, particularly as more information (to the contrary) is revealed.

That said, when most all of our corrupt bureaucracy, media, and (public face) “scientists” are also complicit if not more so, this is quite the pickle. So, how does one combat such? Possibly by undermining their agenda via certain strategic “reveals” such as HCQ efficacy, or telling the truth about certain individuals involved in the coverup? Or maybe by allowing their Dim counterparts sufficient rope to hang themselves by giving them the decision making authority in dealing with same - knowing that they will in fact do just what they’re doing now?

I will get fully on board with your position (regarding Trump) IF we do not see accountability for the crimes we ALL know were committed by subversives prior to and during the Trump administration, and definitely even more so if they attempt to roll out some MANDATORY joke of a vaccine at any point.

I still do not believe that will happen, that the Trump mentions of same are gamesmanship, that his intent on all of this is vastly different than what he tweets or says at news briefings regarding same. I also remain hopeful that justice will be served THIS YEAR before the election. BEFORE those currently attempting to destroy this country are allowed to steal an election and sweep it all under the DOJ carpet. If I’m wrong, I truly don’t think anyone wants to contemplate what might come next.
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Publication: Daily Mail -

Author: Ian Birrell - [link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)]

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Coen Berends - Spokesman for the Dutch National Institute of Public Health and Environment

Christian Hoebe - [link to www.researchgate.net (secure)]


Article: The land with no face masks: Holland's top scientists say there's no solid evidence coverings work and warn they could even damage the fight against Covid-19

Snippet: As I walked around the sun-dappled streets of Amsterdam, something felt strange in this world swept by fear and pandemic. There was laughter coming from barges sliding along the famous canals, clusters of cyclists clogged the streets, shoppers dipped into chic boutiques, the barber shops seemed busy and cafes served couples chatting over coffee.

I heard many voices of tourists in bars and restaurants, while even the seedier sides of this celebrated Dutch city had people strolling through them. It took me a moment to realise what was so weird. Then it struck me. It felt like I had stepped back in time, returning to the pre-pandemic normality of a bustling city filled with human beings whose faces were not covered by cloth.

For while 120 countries in the world, including much of Europe, have ordered citizens to wear masks in public places to prevent the spread of Covid-19, the Dutch are doing things differently.

The nation's top scientists, having examined key data and research, have declared there is no firm evidence to back the use of face coverings. Indeed, they argue that wearing the wretched things may actually hamper the fight against disease.

Link to full article: [link to www.dailymail.co.uk (secure)]

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Many within society and on GLP are finally growing wise to the utter mindfuck currently being perpetrated by our various Western news outlets, our own health organizations, foreign interests and certain compromised politicians that stand to gain from a decimated western economy. Whether here in America or overseas, it is quite clear to me that there is an obvious effort underway to destroy and replace our culture with a tyrannical “world order” in which only a very few have any say, and the rest will be relegated to the shitpile of revisionist history. That’s the objective I think anyway (can we say COLLUSION anyone?), and it’s been underway for many years, but kicked into overdrive recently due to the deck chairs being (sometimes forcefully) shuffled by certain leaders and powerful individuals within our respective countries that do not agree.

That said, many of the people behind this contrived chaos are in fact highly intelligent and well funded. They know how to do what they’re doing, and they do it well because they’ve honed their skills of diversion, distraction and obfuscation for years, manufacturing and implementing successful societal subversion scenarios for as long as they’ve been adults (some for as long as they’ve been alive). It’s all they know.

The cracks in their sociopathic armor have only recently become evident. which is why they have had to go “overboard” in these latest scenarios in their attempts to remain relevant and keep their power. Power that only resides in our perceptions. Maybe this is because of us that “don’t agree,” growing in numbers sufficient to end them, or because this was the plan all along; however, I believe that we now live in a very unique time in history wherein the people that long for freedom, family and individual responsibility (and the bright/prosperous future that those ideals represent) actually have a very real opportunity to do just that. End them, or at least reverse their course so they are the ones festering in the shitpile they planned for us.

One of the best ways to combat the disinformation these people spew is to inform ourselves, and then intelligently articulate and disseminate that knowledge and information to others in our sphere. Many of us have been doing this already for many years, so it is up to us to hopefully inform others of like mind to do the same. Most importantly, when doing so, it is imperative to provide sound evidence supporting any claims we make, backing these claims up with the proper footnotes so those we inform can further inform themselves, rather than turn you off and default back to the seemingly credible crap they’re fed by our corrupt media.

So I thought that it might be fun to use this thread to do just that regarding the latest fear inducing propaganda of the day. COVID-19.

GLP contributors have done a phenomenal job of posting numerous well sourced articles and evidence from noted scientists and doctors refuting the CoV siren call, but there are no threads aggregating this information into one location. As such, I thought it a good idea to do so. This way, others can use it for reference as they arm themselves for those confrontations with friends and family members that are already well underway, and sure to heat up in the coming months as these fucktards continue their over-the-top attempts to kill our economies and culture.

This is not a debate thread. While I know that many of the drones here will attempt to derail this with “sanctioned bullshit,” I plan to keep this going as a primary repository of news, vids, and info that refutes the current narrative. Debate on the other threads if you must, and maybe even use this thread as a source for same if you find yourself agreeing, but please try to keep your comments to a minimum here. Posts that are not relevant or go against the rules will likely be deleted. Some, however, might be allowed to stand if the debate is warranted.

The general rules are as follows:

- The information you post must be relevant and sourced, and also provided by a verifiable (and hopefully credentialed) individual or individuals offering plausible refuting evidence on CoV related matters (infection, case loads, testing, mortality, effective treatments, mask wearing or not, hospitalization, vaccines are all game). So, a notable microbiologist or virologist that has studied the disease and takes a position contrary to the “government experts,” a peer reviewed study from a reputable science publication that gives us some concrete data against the narrative, or even a qualified physician or nurse providing evidence exposing fraud or misrepresentation (and motivation) are all very good fodder.

- Most importantly, the individual “experts” within the post or vid must be cited, preferably with a name or names provided in the introduction to the post, and a link to or short summary of their professional qualifications. So, while anecdotal information might be ok (and left alone for discussion purposes), we are looking for real data and info from real experts in their Respective fields. Providing a brief summary of the people involved gives the reader a simple way to remember the source, so they/we can more readily recall that source in discussions with others.

- No alternate thread links. Only original sourced data and info. Feel free to cut and paste relevant posts with the above rules in mind, but links to other threads (of which there are many here) will only muddle this thread and the intent. They will be deleted.

That’s it.

I realize that this may not “take” immediately, because there is so much other shit going on these days, but I plan to seed the thread with what I can find (as I have the time) in hopes of laying the groundwork, bumping along the way until others contribute.

Thanks for your help, GLP!
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Author: Dr. Harvey Risch - [link to medicine.yale.edu (secure)]

Cited Sources: Dr. Harvey Risch - [link to medicine.yale.edu (secure)]


Article: Hydroxychloroquine works in high-risk patients, and saying otherwise is dangerous

Snippet: As of Wednesday, some 165,000 people in the United States have died from COVID-19. I have made the case in the American Journal of Epidemiology and in Newsweek that people who have a medical need to be treated can be treated early and successfully with hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and antibiotics such as azithromycin or doxycycline. I have also argued that these drugs are safe and have made that case privately to the Food and Drug Administration....

Link to full article: [link to www.washingtonexaminer.com (secure)]

Well worth the read. In fact, next time someone RE-vomits the narrative on HCQ, print this article out, roll it tightly, and shove it up their ass. Maybe then, they’ll finally see the “science.”
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Great site accumulating expert opinion around the world. Thanks to “thinking...” for posting it.

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Donald Trump March 9: "There seems to be a Leftist trope that the Covid19 is a “hoax.” You do a disservice by spreading fake information."
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Donald Trump March 9: "There seems to be a Leftist trope that the Covid19 is a “hoax.” You do a disservice by spreading fake information."
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As I mentioned in the beginning, I really don’t care where this leads, or who said “we do a disservice” by revealing countering opinion (6 months ago, when very few had even the slightest clue of what we were dealing with, and those few were lying or misguided).

Now we know with increasing clarity that we are regularly being lied to for political purposes. As such, it is time for the gloves to come off.

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Author: SUSAN FERRECHIO - [link to www.washingtonexaminer.com (secure)]

Cited Sources: Louie Gohmert


Article: Louie Gohmert is COVID-19-free, and he credits hydroxychloroquine

Snippet: Gohmert drove to Texas to self-quarantine and suffered several days of mild symptoms, including fatigue, but is now free of the virus, he said.

He tested negative for the virus and positive for the coronavirus antibodies this week. Gohmert said he will donate plasma “as often as I am allowed,” to help others recover from the virus.

Gohmert, who turns 67 next week, told the Washington Examiner he believes his recovery was aided by the use of vitamin supplements and hydroxychloroquine, the drug touted by Trump and some medical doctors that is not endorsed by the Food and Drug Administration for use in treating the coronavirus.

“I had a couple of bad days, but I started taking hydroxychloroquine, [Zithromax], and zinc, along with vitamins D3 and C," he said. "And I took a steroid nebulizer for a few days to help coat the alveoli in the lungs and protect them somewhat from the COVID virus attack.”

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Many within society and on GLP are finally growing wise to the utter mindfuck currently being perpetrated by our various Western news outlets, our own health organizations, foreign interests and certain compromised politicians that stand to gain from a decimated western economy. Whether here in America or overseas, it is quite clear to me that there is an obvious effort underway to destroy and replace our culture with a tyrannical “world order” in which only a very few have any say, and the rest will be relegated to the shitpile of revisionist history. That’s the objective I think anyway (can we say COLLUSION anyone?), and it’s been underway for many years, but kicked into overdrive recently due to the deck chairs being (sometimes forcefully) shuffled by certain leaders and powerful individuals within our respective countries that do not agree.

That said, many of the people behind this contrived chaos are in fact highly intelligent and well funded. They know how to do what they’re doing, and they do it well because they’ve honed their skills of diversion, distraction and obfuscation for years, manufacturing and implementing successful societal subversion scenarios for as long as they’ve been adults (some for as long as they’ve been alive). It’s all they know.

The cracks in their sociopathic armor have only recently become evident. which is why they have had to go “overboard” in these latest scenarios in their attempts to remain relevant and keep their power. Power that only resides in our perceptions. Maybe this is because of us that “don’t agree,” growing in numbers sufficient to end them, or because this was the plan all along; however, I believe that we now live in a very unique time in history wherein the people that long for freedom, family and individual responsibility (and the bright/prosperous future that those ideals represent) actually have a very real opportunity to do just that. End them, or at least reverse their course so they are the ones festering in the shitpile they planned for us.

One of the best ways to combat the disinformation these people spew is to inform ourselves, and then intelligently articulate and disseminate that knowledge and information to others in our sphere. Many of us have been doing this already for many years, so it is up to us to hopefully inform others of like mind to do the same. Most importantly, when doing so, it is imperative to provide sound evidence supporting any claims we make, backing these claims up with the proper footnotes so those we inform can further inform themselves, rather than turn you off and default back to the seemingly credible crap they’re fed by our corrupt media.

So I thought that it might be fun to use this thread to do just that regarding the latest fear inducing propaganda of the day. COVID-19.

GLP contributors have done a phenomenal job of posting numerous well sourced articles and evidence from noted scientists and doctors refuting the CoV siren call, but there are no threads aggregating this information into one location. As such, I thought it a good idea to do so. This way, others can use it for reference as they arm themselves for those confrontations with friends and family members that are already well underway, and sure to heat up in the coming months as these fucktards continue their over-the-top attempts to kill our economies and culture.

This is not a debate thread. While I know that many of the drones here will attempt to derail this with “sanctioned bullshit,” I plan to keep this going as a primary repository of news, vids, and info that refutes the current narrative. Debate on the other threads if you must, and maybe even use this thread as a source for same if you find yourself agreeing, but please try to keep your comments to a minimum here. Posts that are not relevant or go against the rules will likely be deleted. Some, however, might be allowed to stand if the debate is warranted.

The general rules are as follows:

- The information you post must be relevant and sourced, and also provided by a verifiable (and hopefully credentialed) individual or individuals offering plausible refuting evidence on CoV related matters (infection, case loads, testing, mortality, effective treatments, mask wearing or not, hospitalization, vaccines are all game). So, a notable microbiologist or virologist that has studied the disease and takes a position contrary to the “government experts,” a peer reviewed study from a reputable science publication that gives us some concrete data against the narrative, or even a qualified physician or nurse providing evidence exposing fraud or misrepresentation (and motivation) are all very good fodder.

- Most importantly, the individual “experts” within the post or vid must be cited, preferably with a name or names provided in the introduction to the post, and a link to or short summary of their professional qualifications. So, while anecdotal information might be ok (and left alone for discussion purposes), we are looking for real data and info from real experts in their Respective fields. Providing a brief summary of the people involved gives the reader a simple way to remember the source, so they/we can more readily recall that source in discussions with others.

- No alternate thread links. Only original sourced data and info. Feel free to cut and paste relevant posts with the above rules in mind, but links to other threads (of which there are many here) will only muddle this thread and the intent. They will be deleted.

That’s it.

I realize that this may not “take” immediately, because there is so much other shit going on these days, but I plan to seed the thread with what I can find (as I have the time) in hopes of laying the groundwork, bumping along the way until others contribute.

Thanks for your help, GLP!
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Donald Trump March 9: "There seems to be a Leftist trope that the Covid19 is a “hoax.” You do a disservice by spreading fake information."
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No matter how well worded and researched any argument is you will never change the minds of the vast majority of people. They were never taught critical thinking, and are to dull to have learned the concept on their own. If what you are saying doesn't align with what the leader of the team they support says they not only will ignore you, they will attack you.
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If you know them you can. The tactic is to ask pointed questions in such a way that you make the other person come up with their own conclusion.

Such as, if this pandemic was not planned, how was it that every store had plastic shields available so fast but no toilet paper.

Why did the govt not have a huge reserve of masks if they are so critical to stopping a virus? Being fully prepared for a pandemic has been faucis only job for over thirty years.
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The American association of physicians and surgeons has lots of good stuff. Look under legal issues.
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The American association of physicians and surgeons has lots of good stuff. Look under legal issues.
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Will do. Thanks!
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Publication: YouTube

Author: Dr. Carrie Madej - [link to health.usnews.com (secure)] - appears to be a practicing internist Dr in GA with not the best reviews but more than 10 years of experience; however, she at least sounds somewhat well read. Would suggest that anyone watching do their own research on her claims (as she herself suggests).

Cited Sources: multiple - Moderna, DARPA, etc.


Video: Human 2.0


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I tried to start something here, but it became cumbersome, and I have a life. That said, there is so much counter narrative out there now, one doesn’t have to work very hard to educate themselves. As such, I thought I’d post several articles and studies I have aggregated over the last several weeks. All are good, many posted here, and they all help shed light on one aspect or another of the current bullshit msm narrative.

Thought this might be the best thread to post them.

If anyone has others to add, have at it.

Enjoy!

Studies / Articles


[link to www.medrxiv.org (secure)]
Vaccine vs Natural Immunity (Study - Israel)

[link to www.acpjournals.org (secure)]
Masks DO NOT WORK (Study - Denmark)

[link to www.rt.com (secure)]
Fauci History on mask wearing (Article - Mask on/Mask off)

[link to www.healthline.com (secure)]
Leaky Vaccines (Article)

[link to greatgameindia.com (secure)]
Prion Disease (India / Article)

[link to www.pennmedicine.org (secure)]
Not Aitborn per Penn Med (Article-Studies explained)

[link to wwwnc.cdc.gov (secure)]
Asymptomatic spread not a concern (Study - Germany)

[link to www.nature.com (secure)]
No Evidence of Asymptomatic Spread (Study - 10 Million China)

[link to stuartbramhall.wordpress.com (secure)]
Asymptomatic study article regarding above (Article)

[link to www.cnbc.com (secure)]
Fauci refuting the science and WHO on Asymptomatic spread (Article)

[link to www.israelnationalnews.com (secure)]
Fauci refuting himself regarding Asymptomatic spread (Article)


[link to www.livescience.com (secure)]
Moderna skipped preclinical animal trials typically required prior to phase I trials(Article)

[link to www.bmj.com (secure)]
Article regarding ADE (Study)

[link to dpbh.nv.gov (secure)]
Another ADE article. (Article)

[link to www.thelancet.com (secure)]
Study regarding increasing immunodeficiency in vaccinated individuals, and need for boosters (Study)

[link to twitter.com (secure)]
Twitter thread with vid regarding study on auto-immune disease issues after multiple mRNA injections.

[link to www.zerohedge.com (secure)]
Fact sheet regarding CoV bullshit. (Article)

[link to academic.oup.com (secure)]
Effects of accidental intravenous injection of mrna on the heart. (Study).

[link to rumble.com (secure)]
Dr Peter McCullough thoroughly explaining the evidence regarding medical malfeasance and government criminality behind this bullshit. (Video)

[link to theexpose.uk (secure)]
Article over vaccine inefficiency -86% effective. Proof of ADE in UK. (Article)

[link to theexpose.uk (secure)]
Article regarding another Pfizer killing. (Article)

[link to www.kathydopp.info]
Article summarizing multiple studies and doctors/scientists positions on mRNA technology and adverse impact. (Article)

[link to www.crick.ac.uk (secure)]
Compilation of David Bauer studies at the Crick Institute regarding impact of CoV and mRNA jabs on the immune system. Not so good. Similar to aids. (Studies)

[link to theexpose.uk (secure)]
Article - claim that signs of ADE becoming more apparent via review of government surveillance data. (Article)

[link to publichealthscotland.scot (secure)]
Public stats regarding deaths in Scotland for Sept 2021. Reflects 82% of the deaths were at least partially “vaccinated.” (Stats)

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]
2020 total deaths (stats)

[link to www.americanthinker.com (secure)]
American Thinker article regarding the intelligence of remaining unvaccinated. (Article)

[link to www.brighteon.com (secure)]
Exposing the lie - Dr Harvey Risch (Yale epidemiologist) stating the truth about vaccinated people causing viral mutation (during a pandemic) rather than unvaccinated. (Video)

[link to thenationalpulse.com (secure)]
Lancet “CoV investigator” winning China’s $1,000,0000 “Nobel prize” for claiming that the virus was natural. Lol. (Article)

[link to www.geertvandenbossche.org (secure)]
Geert Vanden Bossche - mass vaccination campaign during a pandemic is complete bullshit.

[link to www.axios.com (secure)]
NIH owns part of the patent of the Moderna “vaccine,” and the intent is to make little profit if any. (Pre vaccine article)

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]
Gov funding of mRNA vaccines.

[link to www.nasdaq.com (secure)]
Moderna $9.1 Billion profit in 2021. Thought the vaccine was supposed to be cost neutral?

[link to www.mediaite.com (secure)]
Pfizer makes over $11 Billion in first half of 2021. Gee, surely nobody at NIH or the FDA would benefit from taxpayer funded research, would they?

[link to today.uconn.edu (secure)]
45% of FDA funding comes from private “user fees” paid by pharmaceutical companies. Hmmmmm. No way this could create a conflict of interest, right?

[link to nationalfile.com (secure)]
Oh wait, but now Scott Gottleib (former FDA director) now sits on Pfizer’s board of directors, and Mark Malarkey who worked under Gottleib is the FDA senior official submitting the approval letter for Pfizer’s jab.

[link to nypost.com (secure)]
But more - 2 former heads of FDA resign over decisions to roll out/approve boosters?

[link to www.afinalwarning.com (secure)]
HHS admits virus never isolated within a human host. Good article.

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