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The Tao
Subduing the mind

With regard to the way of the mind, if it is constantly deep and profound, the mind does not move. Inchoate and silent, it does not see the external things, dim and obscure, it is neither inside nor outside. There is not even the slightest thought. This is the stable mind, and it does not need to be subdued

If, instead, the mind is aroused by complying with the phenomena, it becomes disturbed and deranged as it looks for heads and tails. This is the confused mind, and it should be quickly brought to an end. You should not indulge in it, as it spoils you way (dao) and your virtue (de), and it damages your nature (xing) and your existence (ming). In standing, walking, sitting, or lying down, constantly strive to subdue it: hearing and seeing, knowing and perceiving are the sources of sickness and trouble

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Nature is spirit, existence is breath. When nature meets existence, it is like a bird finding the wind: it soars lightly, saving strength and succeeding with ease

"The command of birds lies in breath". Those who cultivate reality should comprehend this. Nature and existence are the root and foundation of self-cultivation: they should be refined with attention and care

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if you study immortality, you should study celestial immortality: only the golden elixir is the highest principle
When the two things meet, emotions and nature join one another:
Where the five agents are whole, dragon and tiger coil
Rely on wu and ji (yang and yin halves of soil) that act as go betweens, then let man and woman join together and rejoice
Just wait until your work is achieved to have audience at the northern portal, and in the radiance of a ninefold mist you will ride on a soaring phoenix

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The radiance of heaven and earth fills a great chiliocosm (a billion small worlds), and the radiance of a single body also pervades heaven and covers the entire Earth
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The Tao posted on GLP is not the real Tao.
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Men are born soft and supple; dead, they are stiff and hard. Plants are born tender and pliant; dead, they are brittle and dry. Thus whoever is stiff and inflexible is a disciple of death. Whoever is soft and yielding is a disciple of life. The hard and stiff will be broken. The soft and supple will prevail.
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Men are born soft and supple; dead, they are stiff and hard. Plants are born tender and pliant; dead, they are brittle and dry. Thus whoever is stiff and inflexible is a disciple of death. Whoever is soft and yielding is a disciple of life. The hard and stiff will be broken. The soft and supple will prevail.
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So boners = death. Got it.
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why is the elixir called reverted elixir of the golden liquor?

Golden liquor means metal and water. "Metal is the mother of water, the mother is hidden in the embryo of her son"

Reverted elixir means the inversion of the generative sequence of these two agents that occurs in the alchemical process. Ordinarily, water is the child of metal, but in alchemy metal is the child of water, therefore metal is found in the womb of water

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what is true unity?

If you are able to take the celestial reality that is in yourself and to secure it within the celestial valley, this is the way of guarding true unity. This is what jindong zhu meant by "the true one resides within the great abyss of the north pole"

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to become an observer of the mind, not the slave
revert all things
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“When a bell is struck it rings, when a drum is beaten it resounds. This is because they are solid outside and empty within. It is because they have nothing inside that they are able to ring and resound.

What I realize as I observe this is the Tao of true emptiness and ineffable existence.

True emptiness is like the inner openness of a bell or a drum; ineffable existence is like the sounding of a bell or a drum when struck. If people can keep this true emptiness as their essence, and utilize this ineffable existence as their function, ever serene yet ever responsive, ever responsive yet ever serene, tranquil and unstirring yet sensitive and effective, sensitive and effective yet tranquil and unstirring, empty yet not empty, not empty yet empty, aware and efficient, lively and active, refining everything in the great furnace of Creation, then when the dirt is gone the mirror is clear, when the clouds disperse the moon appears; revealing the indestructible body of reality, they transcend yin and yang and Creation, and merge with the eternity of space.”
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The Tao posted on GLP is not the real Tao.
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what is the dao?

The dao is the ancestral breath prior to heaven that generates all things. Watching you do not see it, listening you do not hear it, grasping you do not get it. It envelops and enwraps heaven and earth, and gives life and nourishment to the ten thousand things. It is so great that there is nothing outside it, am small that there is nothing inside it

Confucians call it great ultimate, taoists call it golden elixir, buddists call it complete enlightenment. Fundamentally it has no name or title, but if we are forced to give it a name we call it dao. If it is determined, one is in error, if it discussed, one loses it. It has no shape and no image, it is not form and is not emptiness, it is not being and it is not non being. If it is attributed to the images of form and emptiness, of being and non being, it is not the dao


Before the great ultimate divides itself into yin and yang, the dao envelops yin and yang. After the great ultimate divides itself, it is yin and yang that give life to the dao. Without yin and yang, the breath of the dao would not be visible. It is only in the alteration of yin and yang that the breath of the dao can grow and maintain itself for innumerable kalpas without being damaged. In the precelestial there is the dao, in the post celestial there are yin and yang. The dao is the root of yin and yang, yin and yang are the manifestation of the dao

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The further one goes, the less one knows.

When there is no desire, all things are at peace.
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YAAWN!

That's the Tao of not caring.
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YAAWN!

That's the Tao of not caring.
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Nice, that's also legitimate tao!
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I could write a lot of shit
If I did I could write a book called
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I think most taoist-inclined people don’t pay enough attention to external Taoist alchemy: Weidan, the actual mixing of substances and minerals like cinnabar and lead, the creation of “elixers.” This was, in fact, some of the first inorganic chemistry in world history, dealing with a variety of metals and smelting, sublimation, cave rocks, etc.

Some of the results were clearly mind-altering (if generally unhealthy and often deadly). They gave rise to altered states of consciousness that dovetailed with the general Taoist ethos. Consider the so-called “cold food powder,” obviously a psychoactive:
(Long but instructive):
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Sailey (1978:430) also says, "Having initially been used as a medicine to cure severe illnesses, its mind-expanding properties were apparently discovered and exploited during the mid-third century, which marked a high point in the development of all sorts of drugs and medicines made from organic and inorganic substances."

Ge, who praises many other drugs as integral to achieving xian immortality, only denounces this "powerful hallucinogenic" drug as contributing to the "decline of propriety and morality" and "disorder in society" (Sailey 1978:338).

The resulting fever required the wearing of thin, loose clothing. Skin lesions, among the many negative consequences of this drug (which may have contained arsenic), also dictated the necessity for loose clothing. For the same reason, close-fitting shoes or slippers that exacerbated the lesions could not be worn, and they were replaced by clogs. It is obvious that the use of five-mineral powder required a specific regimen, one clearly not appropriate for attendance at court. Strolling in clogs and drinking wine, the wide robe loosely belted—some men dressed and behaved this way because they took the powder. Others of their class, eschewing the powder, nevertheless adopted the lifestyle. It became, in short, the fashion. (1990:79–80)

Using the drug powders was associated with Chinese poetry. Huang Junjie and Erik Zürcher (1995:256) say that when the Seven Sages of the Bamboo Grove took wushisan, "they had to drink cold liquor and take walking excursions in order to avoid arsenic poisoning. Intoxicated enchantment with nature's beauty led to their writing poems on landscape, and thus they initiated the genre of 'Nature Poetry'."

The Three Kingdoms scholar and doctor Huangfu Mi (215–282) took this "ecstasy-inducing drug" (Declercq 1998:168) to recover from a stroke, but suffered and likely died from the deleterious side effects.


The French sinologist Paul Demiéville's (1986:829) described He Yan: "He was reckoned a paragon of beauty, elegance, and refinement, a floating flower (fou-hua) as his enemies used to say, or a dandy. He "loved Lao-Huang" and shone in "pure conversation." His lack of constraint brought down on him the ill-will of the orthodox traditionalists. He is even said to have brought into fashion a drug that brought on a state of ecstasy, and many of his friends and epigones were drug addicts."

Many other famous literati, such as the Seven Sages of the Bamboo Grove, especially the musician Ruan Ji (210–263), the alchemist Ji Kang (223–262), and the calligrapher Wang Xizhi (c. 303–361), reportedly were enthusiastic users of the drug. "Like an indulgent lifestyle of alcoholic excesses, the use of this drug became the hallmark of the free thinkers of the age" (Englehardt 2008:473). Livia Kohn describes Ruan Ji's artistic expression,

His friends and fellow poets induced ecstatic experiences through music, wine, and drugs, especially the notorious Cold Food Powder which created psychedelic states and made the body feel very hot, causing people to take off their clothes and jump into pools. When back in their ordinary selves, they wrote poetry of freedom and escape, applying the Zhuangzi concept of free and easy wandering in the sense of getting away from it all and continuing the text's tradition in their desperate search for a better world within.

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When we look inside with a clear, steady focus, the mind we see is transparent, spacious, and open. It feels like something’s there, but when we look for it, there’s no “thing” we can find. Our thoughts and emotions are vivid, yet we can’t put our hands on them. They melt away as soon as we notice them. Even sights and sounds, which seem to be real, distinct entities, evade our grasp when we search for their true identity. When we recognize the flowing, open, and spacious quality of all our experiences, even for a moment, that’s the emptiness side of the wisdom of emptiness.

When we look at our mind, however, we see that it’s not just spacious. There’s a luminous, clear, and creative energy that’s the source of our compassion and joy.


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The Tao posted on GLP is not the real Tao.
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what is the dao?

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The Tao-te Ching

By Lao-tzu


Chapter 1

1. The Tao that can be trodden is not the enduring and unchanging Tao. The name that can be named is not the enduring and unchanging name

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tHE oLD tEACHING
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The source of the ten thousand things
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Reeading about Chang Tzu is fascinating. It's not incompatable with Christianity and is eminently wise.
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from the antiquity to the present day, the highest saints and the immortals of rank have bequeathed books on the elixir, but have been unwilling to express themselves clearly. with regard to the ingredients, they refer to metal and wood, water and fire, lead and mercury, or cinnabar and silver. these are all metaphors. the common people devote themselves to calcinating and refining, thinking that the ingredients are ordinary lead, quicksilver, and sulphur. they are like the blind leading the blind, and one feels deep grief for them. with regard to the ingredients, one should know that this medicine does not come forth form metals, stones, herbs, or plants of the ordinary world. it has no form and no substance, but it is obtained within what has form. it looks like gold, but is not the worldly gold, it looks like water but is not the ordinary water

in addition, there are the internal medicine and the external medicine. In the external medicine, within kan you search for the precelestial water of true unity, within water you gather the precelestial undefiled lead, and within lead you collect the precelestial breath of the great unity. this breath is white within the black, or yang within yin. this is what the wuzhen pian (awakening to reality) means with "gather the solid (line) from the center in the position of kan"

indeed, the water of true unity is the same as the essence and the breath of true unity. this breath is the mother of heaven and earth, the root of yin and yang, the foundation of water and fire, the ancestor of the sun and the moon, and the forefather of the ten thousand things
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The Tao posted on GLP is not the real Tao.
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Tao is real and unreal, both existent and non existent and yet none of these things and all of these things.

". . ."
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The foolish ones take the signs and the patterns of heaven and earth as sagehood, because sagehood is unfathomable. As they deem it to be unfathomable, people refrain from inquiring into its principles. They consider it sagehood but do not know what makes it sagehood

I take the signs and the patterns of time and things as wisdom, because wisdom can be known. Those who have knowledge inquire into its principles in order to extend that knowledge to the utmost. Thus I am able to fathom the sagehood of heaven and earth and how much more can I do this with time and things?


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We are all much more than we know. But we live by illusions and only see through our senses. So we cannot know how much we are. No one can know himself; therefore people will live behind many masks, and call themselves by many names. When all that matters is the effect we have on others. Thus, even a monster may want to be kind, friendly and gentle. And what is more friendly than a puppy dog


Perhaps all creatures are very much more than what they seem. The tree has its roots; the iceberg only shows its tip. So, while the meanest and unfortunate may live in misery here, they may be elsewhere in triumph, making the very stars


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