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Once that switch is flipped, you don't can't go back to seeing the world that way.
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This has been my TED talk.
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This has been my TED talk.
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Re: Isn't it funny how liberals can turn into conservatives, but conservatives NEVER turn into liberals
Not necessarily. I have developed some progressive viewpoints such as supporting single payer, but you are right there's no way I could go full bore liberal. We still need to keep out illegal immigrants and eliminate the parasite welfare state, for single mothers pumping out kids with different bad boys but also for big corporations who take handouts such as big oil, farmers, etc. There's too much political lobbying and pandering going on.

People need to make their own money, not be given free money for much more than 6-12 month stretches. They need to also pay it back. These welfare programs are going to collapse our culture.
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TOP AND BOTTOM SUCK FROM THE MIDDLE. Right and left wing are more alike than different in the US.
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Being conservative requires thought and logic. Liberalism is based on emotion. That is why many highly intelligent people like Dennis Miller start out as libs and end up as conservatives. Over time they are too intelligent to cling to the emotion and intellectual hypocrisy of leftism. Conservatives understand basic economics, logic and reason. You don’t walk away from those any more than you walk away from gravity.
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TOP AND BOTTOM SUCK FROM THE MIDDLE. Right and left wing are more alike than different in the US.
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This is gloriously and utterly inaccurate.
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Re: Isn't it funny how liberals can turn into conservatives, but conservatives NEVER turn into liberals
Not necessarily. I have developed some progressive viewpoints such as supporting single payer, but you are right there's no way I could go full bore liberal. We still need to keep out illegal immigrants and eliminate the parasite welfare state, for single mothers pumping out kids with different bad boys but also for big corporations who take handouts such as big oil, farmers, etc. There's too much political lobbying and pandering going on.

People need to make their own money, not be given free money for much more than 6-12 month stretches. They need to also pay it back. These welfare programs are going to collapse our culture.
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I'm with you. I actually hold quite a few of the same beliefs with true progressives, and I don't see that as a chip in my conservative armor.
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Re: Isn't it funny how liberals can turn into conservatives, but conservatives NEVER turn into liberals
Being conservative requires thought and logic. Liberalism is based on emotion. That is why many highly intelligent people like Dennis Miller start out as libs and end up as conservatives. Over time they are too intelligent to cling to the emotion and intellectual hypocrisy of leftism. Conservatives understand basic economics, logic and reason. You don’t walk away from those any more than you walk away from gravity.
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Plenty of Trump supporters on here rant and insult like little babies when someone questions their savior. Emotional knee jerk reactions happen on both sides. It's moderates that are the most sane. They are less likely to get offended for questioning some long standing dogma or dissing their candidate.
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TOP AND BOTTOM SUCK FROM THE MIDDLE. Right and left wing are more alike than different in the US.
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I'm talking more about individualism vs collectivism.
Repubs and Dems are clearly enemies of free people.
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I’ve seen it happen. I was absolutely shocked to find out, in 2008, that one of my previously conservative frat brothers voted for Obama. He has since gone full SJW. I blame pussy.

I think life experience definitely tends to make one more conservative, though. Paying taxes for the first time or getting mugged, for example, will tend to make one much more protective of one’s money and safety.

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It is called waking up after you have cold water thrown on your delusional head. The old saying is if you are not a liberal when you are young you have no heart but if you are not a conservative by the time you are 40 you have no brain. It is true. Liberalism is day dreaming and delusions of grandeur. It is youthful idealism that soon gives away to cold harsh reality of the world as you age. That's why most young people are liberal while most old people are conservative and actually are responsible and vote because they pay the taxes while young people don't earn enough yet to pay taxes. Nothing turns a person quicker into a conservative when faced with a hug tax bill from a spendthrift libtard government who spent it on magical beans and pony rides for gang bangers. rolleyes
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Not necessarily. I have developed some progressive viewpoints such as supporting single payer, but you are right there's no way I could go full bore liberal. We still need to keep out illegal immigrants and eliminate the parasite welfare state, for single mothers pumping out kids with different bad boys but also for big corporations who take handouts such as big oil, farmers, etc. There's too much political lobbying and pandering going on.

People need to make their own money, not be given free money for much more than 6-12 month stretches. They need to also pay it back. These welfare programs are going to collapse our culture.
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I'm with you. I actually hold quite a few of the same beliefs with true progressives, and I don't see that as a chip in my conservative armor.
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I'm quite the environmentalist despite being conservative. Conservatives by definition should be environmentalists. I see nothing wrong with having state and national parks and don't think we should sell off this land so the private sector can destroy it just for their bottom line.
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I’ve seen it happen. I was absolutely shocked to find out, in 2008, that one of my previously conservative frat brothers voted for Obama. I blame pussy.

I think life experience definitely tends to make one more conservative, though. Paying taxes for the first time or getting mugged, for example, will tend to make one much more protective of one’s money and safety.
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Yikes! Has he come back around since? Hopefully it was just a momentary lapse in judgement.

NVM, I see the "full SJW" part. We lost one 1dunno1

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Corporations and governments are one in the same. Both need to be regulated by the people. In theory we maintain a nice balance, until the rich get too rich and too much political lobbying goes on. The mistake that the right makes is thinking corporations are our friend. They are not.

In theory if we elect the right people into office the system goes smoothly, but when you only have two parties, both filled with swamp members with agendas run by billionaire elites, anyone who gets into office is quickly groomed as to how they need to play the game.
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It is called waking up after you have cold water thrown on your delusional head. The old saying is if you are not a liberal when you are young you have no heart but if you are not a conservative by the time you are 40 you have no brain. It is true. Liberalism is day dreaming and delusions of grandeur. It is youthful idealism that soon gives away to cold harsh reality of the world as you age. That's why most young people are liberal while most old people are conservative and actually are responsible and vote because they pay the taxes while young people don't earn enough yet to pay taxes. Nothing turns a person quicker into a conservative when faced with a hug tax bill from a spendthrift libtard government who spent it on magical beans and pony rides for gang bangers. rolleyes
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Very well said, and I think anyone on this side of the conversation knows that to be 100% true.

If you've ever raised kids, you know they are practically little commies. Everything has to be equal and fair. They want the other kids to not be able to do what they cant. It's horrible chuckle
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Actually both left and right are in the process of losing their old planks and neither party stands for what it used to...I am a conservative but I see “conservative thought” being pulled every which-way all over the globe and it is kind of a mystery where the spinner will land next...

as for the liberals they have lost their freaking minds. My pet theory is related to the poster above who says they think with their emotions: because critical thought is no longer taught or respected, and because of social media addiction, plus whatever pills people are increasingly prescribed, “common sense emotionalism” has gone out the window and all that is left is shrieking. Even the right tosses around emoticons rather than actual logic half the time.
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Re: Isn't it funny how liberals can turn into conservatives, but conservatives NEVER turn into liberals
A lot of us are moderate but appear to be full on conservative because the left went insane.

For instance I don't agree with the for profit healthcare system where private owned hospitals are looking to fleece everybody.

To see how bad it is look no further than the guy that was hospitalized for Covid for 62 days, the hospital bill was $1,100,000 which comes out to $17,700 a day.

Ridiculous

Also don't agree with for profit private prisons because that shit is immoral and another rip off with mass corruption.

Paying private companies to imprison people is wrong.
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Actually both left and right are in the process of losing their old planks and neither party stands for what it used to...I am a conservative but I see “conservative thought” being pulled every which-way all over the globe and it is kind of a mystery where the spinner will land next...

as for the liberals they have lost their freaking minds. My pet theory is related to the poster above who says they think with their emotions: because critical thought is no longer taught or respected, and because of social media addiction, plus whatever pills people are increasingly prescribed, “common sense emotionalism” has gone out the window and all that is left is shrieking. Even the right tosses around emoticons rather than actual logic half the time.
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We are becoming a world that panders to large corporations and the rioters on the bottom, when we should be doing the opposite, supporting the middle class workers who hold everything together. Up is down and right is wrong in this loony culture. So called conservatives are no longer conservative, they are "neocons" at best and in bed with the communists at worst. We are literally bankrupting small businesses with this virus so that mega-corporations like wal-mart and amazon can thrive. All the wealth is concentrating into the hands of the very few. This is not what true capitalism is meant to be like. This is corporate socialism brought to you by the swamp.
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Corporations and governments are one in the same. Both need to be regulated by the people. In theory we maintain a nice balance, until the rich get too rich and too much political lobbying goes on. The mistake that the right makes is thinking corporations are our friend. They are not.

In theory if we elect the right people into office the system goes smoothly, but when you only have two parties, both filled with swamp members with agendas run by billionaire elites, anyone who gets into office is quickly groomed as to how they need to play the game.
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This is what comes to mind when I think about that:

"Because We have no Government armed with Power capable of contending with human Passions unbridled by morality and Religion. Avarice, Ambition Revenge or Galantry, would break the strongest Cords of our Constitution as a Whale goes through a Net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other"

-From John Adams to Massachusetts Militia, 11 October 1798
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Being conservative requires thought and logic. Liberalism is based on emotion. That is why many highly intelligent people like Dennis Miller start out as libs and end up as conservatives. Over time they are too intelligent to cling to the emotion and intellectual hypocrisy of leftism. Conservatives understand basic economics, logic and reason. You don’t walk away from those any more than you walk away from gravity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77732153


Plenty of Trump supporters on here rant and insult like little babies when someone questions their savior. Emotional knee jerk reactions happen on both sides. It's moderates that are the most sane. They are less likely to get offended for questioning some long standing dogma or dissing their candidate.
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Moderates are either people who haven’t quite gotten there yet intellectually, or those too caught up in not being labeled as either liberal or conservative to think about the issues. Also, there are a lot of liberals who call themselves “moderates” because until recently that was their go to tactic to advance leftism.

Just FYI: The fact that you call Trump “their savior” dismisses the good that Trump has done pulling this country back from the gaping maw of the socialist abyss, which diminishes the intellectual integrity of your position. It puts you in the reactionary “Orange man bad” group, which belies the calm, even minded disposition you claim in your post.
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Actually both left and right are in the process of losing their old planks and neither party stands for what it used to...I am a conservative but I see “conservative thought” being pulled every which-way all over the globe and it is kind of a mystery where the spinner will land next...

as for the liberals they have lost their freaking minds. My pet theory is related to the poster above who says they think with their emotions: because critical thought is no longer taught or respected, and because of social media addiction, plus whatever pills people are increasingly prescribed, “common sense emotionalism” has gone out the window and all that is left is shrieking. Even the right tosses around emoticons rather than actual logic half the time.
 Quoting: Ordovician


We are becoming a world that panders to large corporations and the rioters on the bottom, when we should be doing the opposite, supporting the middle class workers who hold everything together. Up is down and right is wrong in this loony culture. So called conservatives are no longer conservative, they are "neocons" at best and in bed with the communists at worst. We are literally bankrupting small businesses with this virus so that mega-corporations like wal-mart and amazon can thrive. All the wealth is concentrating into the hands of the very few. This is not what true capitalism is meant to be like. This is corporate socialism brought to you by the swamp.
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Wow a functioning brain. Good stuff.
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Being conservative requires thought and logic. Liberalism is based on emotion. That is why many highly intelligent people like Dennis Miller start out as libs and end up as conservatives. Over time they are too intelligent to cling to the emotion and intellectual hypocrisy of leftism. Conservatives understand basic economics, logic and reason. You don’t walk away from those any more than you walk away from gravity.
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Plenty of Trump supporters on here rant and insult like little babies when someone questions their savior. Emotional knee jerk reactions happen on both sides. It's moderates that are the most sane. They are less likely to get offended for questioning some long standing dogma or dissing their candidate.
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Moderates are either people who haven’t quite gotten there yet intellectually, or those too caught up in not being labeled as either liberal or conservative to think about the issues. Also, there are a lot of liberals who call themselves “moderates” because until recently that was their go to tactic to advance leftism.

Just FYI: The fact that you call Trump “their savior” dismisses the good that Trump has done pulling this country back from the gaping maw of the socialist abyss, which diminishes the intellectual integrity of your position. It puts you in the reactionary “Orange man bad” group, which belies the calm, even minded disposition you claim in your post.
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I get tired of any argument against trump here being shot down by whiny crybabies. There's valid criticism when he campaigned on saying the stock market was a bubble pumped up by federal reserve stimulus, but now that he's president he wants the stock market to be high and gloats about it, and pushes for insane amounts of federal reserve stimulus. I'm still going to vote for him but he's far from the perfect candidate and I'm not going to shut up because one of his followers disses me for valid criticisms. What he's promoting is reckless.
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This has been my TED talk.
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cheers
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cheers

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Being conservative requires thought and logic. Liberalism is based on emotion. That is why many highly intelligent people like Dennis Miller start out as libs and end up as conservatives. Over time they are too intelligent to cling to the emotion and intellectual hypocrisy of leftism. Conservatives understand basic economics, logic and reason. You don’t walk away from those any more than you walk away from gravity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77732153


Plenty of Trump supporters on here rant and insult like little babies when someone questions their savior. Emotional knee jerk reactions happen on both sides. It's moderates that are the most sane. They are less likely to get offended for questioning some long standing dogma or dissing their candidate.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79063946


Moderates are either people who haven’t quite gotten there yet intellectually, or those too caught up in not being labeled as either liberal or conservative to think about the issues. Also, there are a lot of liberals who call themselves “moderates” because until recently that was their go to tactic to advance leftism.

Just FYI: The fact that you call Trump “their savior” dismisses the good that Trump has done pulling this country back from the gaping maw of the socialist abyss, which diminishes the intellectual integrity of your position. It puts you in the reactionary “Orange man bad” group, which belies the calm, even minded disposition you claim in your post.
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I get tired of any argument against trump here being shot down by whiny crybabies. There's valid criticism when he campaigned on saying the stock market was a bubble pumped up by federal reserve stimulus, but now that he's president he wants the stock market to be high and gloats about it, and pushes for insane amounts of federal reserve stimulus. I'm still going to vote for him but he's far from the perfect candidate and I'm not going to shut up because one of his followers disses me for valid criticisms. What he's promoting is reckless.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79063946


I am still a Trump fan but I think he needs to dial back on the incessant twittering, especially where foreign policy is concerned. I know he has a lot on his plate at home, but the randomness of the administration’s foreign policy has led to a lot of head-scratching abroad about America’s place in the world.

He also needs to start seriously addressing the civil unrest and job loss in America. It’s Not his fault these things are happening but it feels like he is not doing enough. Maybe this will change in the next few weeks, We can hope so. Like I said I still like him and respect what he has managed in the face of so much resistance and opposition. The way the press treats him is juvinile and sickening.
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A lot of us are moderate but appear to be full on conservative because the left went insane.

For instance I don't agree with the for profit healthcare system where private owned hospitals are looking to fleece everybody.

To see how bad it is look no further than the guy that was hospitalized for Covid for 62 days, the hospital bill was $1,100,000 which comes out to $17,700 a day.

Ridiculous

Also don't agree with for profit private prisons because that shit is immoral and another rip off with mass corruption.

Paying private companies to imprison people is wrong.
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I am sure you are sincere, but you have some commonly misunderstood thoughts in your argument. Most hospitals are struggling to survive under the current system. Most are losing money. It was bad before Obamacare and much worse after. The problem with healthcare isn’t profit, it is the soft socialism that has crept in through insurance. When people don’t know or care how much something costs, it takes all of the competition out of the system. It also puts huge insurance companies in the middle adding huge inefficiency.

We need more capitalism in healthcare, not less.
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Not necessarily. I have developed some progressive viewpoints such as supporting single payer, but you are right there's no way I could go full bore liberal. We still need to keep out illegal immigrants and eliminate the parasite welfare state, for single mothers pumping out kids with different bad boys but also for big corporations who take handouts such as big oil, farmers, etc. There's too much political lobbying and pandering going on.

People need to make their own money, not be given free money for much more than 6-12 month stretches. They need to also pay it back. These welfare programs are going to collapse our culture.
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Single payer? Please! You cannot possibly be conservative if you support a state takeover of healthcare (that’s the only way it would work).

Agree with the rest of your post though. Hmmmmm.
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Not necessarily. I have developed some progressive viewpoints such as supporting single payer, but you are right there's no way I could go full bore liberal. We still need to keep out illegal immigrants and eliminate the parasite welfare state, for single mothers pumping out kids with different bad boys but also for big corporations who take handouts such as big oil, farmers, etc. There's too much political lobbying and pandering going on.

People need to make their own money, not be given free money for much more than 6-12 month stretches. They need to also pay it back. These welfare programs are going to collapse our culture.
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Single payer? Please! You cannot possibly be conservative if you support a state takeover of healthcare (that’s the only way it would work).

Agree with the rest of your post though. Hmmmmm.
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Our health care costs way more per capita than any other country in the world. We need more preventive medicine and we need to regulate the out of control drug prices and the over-prescribing of medications for starters. Doctors get kickbacks to perscribe drugs. There should be incentives to be responsible. No health care for illegals. You have to pay more for certain high risk activities like smoking, getting fat, etc. I don't like this culture of telling people to do whatever they want, and the government will take care of you if something happens. We should have some kind of health care system in place for all, but it should have some common sense stipulations that encourage being responsible.
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Not necessarily. I have developed some progressive viewpoints such as supporting single payer, but you are right there's no way I could go full bore liberal. We still need to keep out illegal immigrants and eliminate the parasite welfare state, for single mothers pumping out kids with different bad boys but also for big corporations who take handouts such as big oil, farmers, etc. There's too much political lobbying and pandering going on.

People need to make their own money, not be given free money for much more than 6-12 month stretches. They need to also pay it back. These welfare programs are going to collapse our culture.
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Single payer? Please! You cannot possibly be conservative if you support a state takeover of healthcare (that’s the only way it would work).

Agree with the rest of your post though. Hmmmmm.
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In reading through your other posts, it appears that you are sincere; however, instead of investing energy into a socialist wet dream, join the rest of us in demanding accountability. These hospitals that falsely mark any symptom or death as “CoV19” would be a good start. Rescinding “laws” put there by those that were never held to account would be another. Begin demanding these things as loudly as those that wish to “tear it all down,” and many of them will even join you.

Then you get your change.

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Not necessarily. I have developed some progressive viewpoints such as supporting single payer, but you are right there's no way I could go full bore liberal. We still need to keep out illegal immigrants and eliminate the parasite welfare state, for single mothers pumping out kids with different bad boys but also for big corporations who take handouts such as big oil, farmers, etc. There's too much political lobbying and pandering going on.

People need to make their own money, not be given free money for much more than 6-12 month stretches. They need to also pay it back. These welfare programs are going to collapse our culture.
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Single payer? Please! You cannot possibly be conservative if you support a state takeover of healthcare (that’s the only way it would work).

Agree with the rest of your post though. Hmmmmm.
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Our health care costs way more per capita than any other country in the world. We need more preventive medicine and we need to regulate the out of control drug prices and the over-prescribing of medications for starters. Doctors get kickbacks to perscribe drugs. There should be incentives to be responsible. No health care for illegals. You have to pay more for certain high risk activities like smoking, getting fat, etc. I don't like this culture of telling people to do whatever they want, and the government will take care of you if something happens. We should have some kind of health care system in place for all, but it should have some common sense stipulations that encourage being responsible.
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As I stated in my previous post, you simply don’t resolve these problems by instituting a “government run” healthcare system overseen by the very people that corrupted the one we have already. The overriding issue is the corruption and lack of accountability. Fix that, fix the problem. The socialist way is a recipe for abject failure and much bigger government/more consolidated power, which is precisely why they’re pushing it so hard.
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Re: Isn't it funny how liberals can turn into conservatives, but conservatives NEVER turn into liberals
Once that switch is flipped, you don't can't go back to seeing the world that way.
 Quoting: GonadTheBallbarian


I was talking about this the other day with some friends. All of us at one point were Democrats pre 2016.

Once you wake up and see how they are purposely trying to destroy our Country, how they are using weaponized political correctness and hundreds of different manufactured social justice causes to do it. No going back.


On top of that liberals can't even make a solid argument to debunk it. They just scream racist and the most insane part about it is they even do it to black people who Turned Conservative.





GLP