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Defending the Pre-trib rapture **** New and Improved

 
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I predict not a single person can supply one verse that in any way suggests a Pre-Tribulation Rapture.

It's been over a month. We can supply lots of After the Tribulation verses.

The craziest aspect is the Pre-Tribbers suggesting that the order of seals in Revelation 6 doesn't matter. That's rather the point of Revelation 6.

If you can't find a Biblical basis for a concept, then what you believe is dogma at the very least based on tradition. At the worst, it's open heresy and so makes those promoting it "accursed".
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I believe they are leading the sheep into a calm before they are slaughtered and not preparing them.
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I am in 100% agreement.

The American Pre-Tribbers have a false sense of security as persecution is not generally in their experience, just vaguely. They think American Christian can't be persecuted all over the world.

They think they will be yanked out before anything is amiss.

Then when things get rough, and persecutions begin in urban areas, then they will be forced to backpedal, "see what we really ewnt was this..."

Then it will getbserious and be obvious that widespread persecutions of Christians are going on. People will panic.
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When American churches stay closed, then money for the poor will disappear and all the missionary work we do for the world will dry up.

It's controlled implosion by Lucifer. He has to take out American Christians.
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I predict not a single person can supply one verse that in any way suggests a Pre-Tribulation Rapture.

It's been over a month. We can supply lots of After the Tribulation verses.

The craziest aspect is the Pre-Tribbers suggesting that the order of seals in Revelation 6 doesn't matter. That's rather the point of Revelation 6.

If you can't find a Biblical basis for a concept, then what you believe is dogma at the very least based on tradition. At the worst, it's open heresy and so makes those promoting it "accursed".
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I believe they are leading the sheep into a calm before they are slaughtered and not preparing them.
 Quoting: Achduke7


I am in 100% agreement.

The American Pre-Tribbers have a false sense of security as persecution is not generally in their experience, just vaguely. They think American Christian can't be persecuted all over the world.

They think they will be yanked out before anything is amiss.

Then when things get rough, and persecutions begin in urban areas, then they will be forced to backpedal, "see what we really ewnt was this..."

Then it will getbserious and be obvious that widespread persecutions of Christians are going on. People will panic.
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There will be only one way to prepare and that is to have the spirit of God. Only by God are we righteous and not by ourselves.

As Stephen was being stoned what did he do? He prayed that God would forgive his persecutors for their sin against him. He was not worried about the pain or himself. He was worried about his enemies. God protects us even when we receive tribulation and persecution.

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Tribulation is not wrath. The wrath of God is clearly defined in Revelation

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nordicspear Consider this passage...


Isaiah 57 1 The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.

 Quoting: Judethz


What does it mean to perish? We are not of this world. Why worry about our perishable bodies? Worry that you would be with God in the end. Even the sinners have perishable bodies. The sinners perish in the lake of fire. Why be worldly?

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german5 I've told you several times that it is dishonest to just take a few words of a passage/sentence which have a meaning that is different to what the whole passage says. Why cannot you just admit that the passage directly supports the Rapture instead of just playing cheap word games.

Isaiah 57 1 The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.

One of the purposes of keeping you around with your insane drivel is so that other readers can judge who is being truthful and who is being dishonest.
 Quoting: Judethz


Once you choose to block everyone's opinion you disagree with your rapture threads will die on the vine and you will not have anyone to push your agenda. I see that you hold back on certain posts and then dig deep back pages from weeks ago and then reply just to bump your own threads.


Back on to topic. No where does it say the righteous are raptured in Isaiah 57. It says taken away and that is why I posted how in Rev 12 God takes care of the women in the wilderness.


Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.


Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.


See. No Rapture needed for God to protect his own.


Isaiah 43:2 When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee.


Psalm 46:1-11
1 God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.
2 Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea;
3 Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof. Selah.
4 There is a river, the streams whereof shall make glad the city of God, the holy place of the tabernacles of the most High.
5 God is in the midst of her; she shall not be moved: God shall help her, and that right early.
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.
7The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge. Selah.
8 Come, behold the works of the LORD, what desolations he hath made in the earth.
9 He maketh wars to cease unto the end of the earth; he breaketh the bow, and cutteth the spear in sunder; he burneth the chariot in the fire.
10 Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.
11 The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge. Selah.

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nordicspear Consider this passage...


Isaiah 57 1 The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.
 Quoting: Judethz


What does it mean to perish? We are not of this world. Why worry about our perishable bodies? Worry that you would be with God in the end. Even the sinners have perishable bodies. The sinners perish in the lake of fire. Why be worldly?

 Quoting: Achduke7


german5 I've told you several times that it is dishonest to just take a few words of a passage/sentence which have a meaning that is different to what the whole passage says. Why cannot you just admit that the passage directly supports the Rapture instead of just playing cheap word games.

Isaiah 57 1 The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.

One of the purposes of keeping you around with your insane drivel is so that other readers can judge who is being truthful and who is being dishonest.
 Quoting: Judethz


Once you choose to block everyone's opinion you disagree with your rapture threads will die on the vine and you will not have anyone to push your agenda. I see that you hold back on certain posts and then dig deep back pages from weeks ago and then reply just to bump your own threads.


Back on to topic. No where does it say the righteous are raptured in Isaiah 57. It says taken away and that is why I posted how in Rev 12 God takes care of the women in the wilderness.


Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.


Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.


See. No Rapture needed for God to protect his own.


Isaiah 43:2 When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee.


Psalm 46:1-11
1 God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.
2 Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea;
3 Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof. Selah.
4 There is a river, the streams whereof shall make glad the city of God, the holy place of the tabernacles of the most High.
5 God is in the midst of her; she shall not be moved: God shall help her, and that right early.
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.
7The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge. Selah.
8 Come, behold the works of the LORD, what desolations he hath made in the earth.
9 He maketh wars to cease unto the end of the earth; he breaketh the bow, and cutteth the spear in sunder; he burneth the chariot in the fire.
10 Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.
11 The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge. Selah.
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For the Antichrist to be successful, which we know in Revelation that he at least initially and partially is, then he has to take out America and the US military or corrupt it. Most likely the American Christians are demonized as Biden is doing right now. People like Pelosi will fall in lock step and make claims "it'sthe better good to be embrace diversity across the Relublic and feed the people..."

I would be willing to bet that much of the Tribulation of Christians happens in America, and the apostasy largely happens in Europe as they have abandoned Christianity. The EU probably abandons NATO and the Antichrist stirs up the Middle East and causes brushfires in India and Africa and Asia and Israel is invaded.

It is very likely for wholesale genocide of Christians in Africa and the EU will do nothing. Africa will be pagan and Muslim again.

Luke 21 states Jerusalem will be surrounded. I bet the EU outright refuses to lift a finger and even is concilliatory with the Antichrist.

With so much going on, Kim in North Korea is replaced, China invades, and South Korea capitulates, then Japan. There are a LOT of Christians in South Korea. It would be a disaster.
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For the Antichrist to be successful, which we know in Revelation that he at least initially and partially is, then he has to take out America and the US military or corrupt it. Most likely the American Christians are demonized as Biden is doing right now. People like Pelosi will fall in lock step and make claims "it'sthe better good to be embrace diversity across the Relublic and feed the people..."

I would be willing to bet that much of the Tribulation of Christians happens in America, and the apostasy largely happens in Europe as they have abandoned Christianity. The EU probably abandons NATO and the Antichrist stirs up the Middle East and causes brushfires in India and Africa and Asia and Israel is invaded.

It is very likely for wholesale genocide of Christians in Africa and the EU will do nothing. Africa will be pagan and Muslim again.

Luke 21 states Jerusalem will be surrounded. I bet the EU outright refuses to lift a finger and even is concilliatory with the Antichrist.

With so much going on, Kim in North Korea is replaced, China invades, and South Korea capitulates, then Japan. There are a LOT of Christians in South Korea. It would be a disaster.
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We do not know what happens to America. Maybe the AC comes from America. Prophecy is often made known after it happens. As for Jerusalem it has already been surrounded once. Does it need to happen again? A partial preterist view says no. Although the man of sin has not come into power that I know of yet.
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german5 I've told you several times that it is dishonest to just take a few words of a passage/sentence which have a meaning that is different to what the whole passage says. Why cannot you just admit that the passage directly supports the Rapture instead of just playing cheap word games.

Isaiah 57 1 The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.

One of the purposes of keeping you around with your insane drivel is so that other readers can judge who is being truthful and who is being dishonest.
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And so Isaiah 57:1 over-rules everything Jesus and and Apostles said about the End Times???

dumbass

 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD


german3 So yet again if a passage in the Bible goes against your lying construct, then just throw it out.
As I said at the start of this thread "The Lord is not the author of confusion."

Rom 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
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The passage is not for or against the Rapture.

Noah was taken away.
Lot was taken away.
Israel was taken away from Egypt.
The woman of Rev 12 taken away.


None of these people were raptured. The harpazo is part of meeting Christ at the 2nd cominng.

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The passage is not for or against the Rapture.

Noah was taken away.
Lot was taken away.
Israel was taken away from Egypt.
The woman of Rev 12 taken away.


None of these people were raptured. The harpazo is part of meeting Christ at the 2nd cominng.
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german7 Oh yes it is, it states quite clearly "that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come."

But don't worry! If you and your pals want to miss the Rapture because of your hardened hearts, no ones stopping you.

Isaiah 57 1 The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.
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Like David the Lord delivers us from tribulation. Tribulation is from enemies of God. Once again it is not the wrath of God. Defending God and his Son is not wrong. Tribulation is not bad. Please show where tribulations are bad.

People that are afraid of tribulation lack faith.

1Sa 26:24 "And indeed, as your life was valued much this day in my eyes, so let my life be valued much in the eyes of the LORD, and let Him deliver me out of all tribulation."

Mat 24:9 "Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake.

Joh 16:33 "These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world."

Act 14:22 strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and saying, "We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God."

Rom 5:3 And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance;

Rom 12:12 rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation, continuing steadfastly in prayer;

2Co 1:4 who comforts us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort those who are in any trouble, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God.

2Co 7:4 Great is my boldness of speech toward you, great is my boasting on your behalf. I am filled with comfort. I am exceedingly joyful in all our tribulation.

Rev 2:9 "I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are J*ws and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.

Rev 7:14 And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.


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The passage is not for or against the Rapture.

Noah was taken away.
Lot was taken away.
Israel was taken away from Egypt.
The woman of Rev 12 taken away.


None of these people were raptured. The harpazo is part of meeting Christ at the 2nd cominng.
 Quoting: Achduke7


german7 Oh yes it is, it states quite clearly "that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come."

But don't worry! If you and your pals want to miss the Rapture because of your hardened hearts, no ones stopping you.

Isaiah 57 1 The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.
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Like David the Lord delivers us from tribulation. Tribulation is from enemies of God. Once again it is not the wrath of God. Defending God and his Son is not wrong. Tribulation is not bad. Please show where tribulations are bad.

People that are afraid of tribulation lack faith.

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The cheap accusations of cowardness are quite uncalled for. Personally I'd say that the numerous Satanic attacks on people preaching about the Rapture are definably a form of persecution. It ain't all just physical you know. And as I've said before people suffer various degrees of persecution, sometimes very little. But all that is in the hands of the Lord, all we can do is pray that He will help us through whatever is to be our lot.
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I never called you or anyone a coward. I said people that are afraid of the tribulation lack faith. I did not say you are afraid of tribulation or that you lack faith either. Their are some who are afraid of tribulation. If they are depending on a pretrib rapture and it never comes their faith will be tested if they are weak. Are you preparing these babes properly if they do enter the tribulation or are you going to say sorry I guess you didn't make the cut.

God protects us and delivers us. It takes faith to believe this.

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Nazis can't be saved.
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quietpool Any even half normal person would have gotten the message by now that I'm fed up dealing with your mixing of apples and oranges in long winded spamey posts, filled with false assumptions and spiritual poison. Stop leeching off other peoples threads and go start your own. Or could it be that deep down you know that you lack the spirit of your own convictions?
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Sounds like you are just disregarding the meat and feeding the sheep sweets. Sure it is taste good but it is not healthy in the end.
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Still waiting on pretrib rapture proof. If i deleted all the noise from this thread like others who delete the narative that does meet their agenda this thread would be empty. It is funny, other pretrib threads like to post soft porn and comics but are short on real information.
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Why are Nazi youth images used to promote a Pre-Tribulation Rapture? I kind of says it all.
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If the pre-trib rapture is before Jesus comes as a thief in the night I would like to point out there are a total of 8 vials and none are poured out until the two witnesses are resurrected from the grave.........................
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german3 If, but, maybe. The Bible makes it quite clear that the timing of the Rapture is not tied to any event.

Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mar 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

 Quoting: Judethz


Since Judethz, blocks, deletes and censors her own threads.



Those in the light do have an idea when the harpazo/resurrection takes place. Since you are not of the light you do not!

1Th 5:4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.

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Do yourself a favor and read a book called Chariots of the Gods...it will change your life
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put I've heard of it but have no particular desire to read it.

In the end this type of book is just some authors opinion and theory's, and are never Biblically accurate. The Left Behind book/s are filled with evil and directly serve Satan's agenda. To me it's kind of like trying to discover the Lord by watching the TBN...It ain't going to happen because it's just a hollow shell filled with lies.
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This sounds like the rest of the pretrib rapture theory. Not biblically accurate.
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Two whole months have passed and not a single Bible verse proving the Pre-Tribulation Rapture theory.

Why? Because it's not Biblically defensible!
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Two whole months have passed and not a single Bible verse proving the Pre-Tribulation Rapture theory.

Why? Because it's not Biblically defensible!
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I think the whole pre-trib theory has been dieing down lately. The other threads have been low on content since everyone that contributed has been banned from those threads.
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Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming.

But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come,
he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into.

Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.


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Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season?
Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing.
Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods.
But if that evil servant says in his heart, 'My master is delaying his coming,'
and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards,
the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of,
and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


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But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
Take heed, watch and pray; for you do not know when the time is.
It is like a man going to a far country, who left his house and gave authority to his servants, and to each his work, and commanded the doorkeeper to watch.
Watch therefore, for you do not know when the master of the house is coming—in the evening, at midnight, at the crowing of the rooster, or in the morning—
lest, coming suddenly, he find you sleeping.
And what I say to you, I say to all: Watch!


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And still no proof nearly 3 months later. The silence is deafening.
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And still no proof nearly 3 months later. The silence is deafening.
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No proof in the other threads either.

Just a lot of "Wrongggg! unt ah no way!" No scriptural proof.
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And still no proof nearly 3 months later. The silence is deafening.
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No proof in the other threads either.

Just a lot of "Wrongggg! unt ah no way!" No scriptural proof.
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The subject itself is a matter of faith and decernment. You're not going to believe it if you are already biased against it.

I've been reading this thread and it's apparent to me that you're not the slightest bit objective about the subject. I saw a post where someone stated that the Holy Spirit would be removed from the earth before the revealing of the Anti-Christ and you dismissed it out-of-hand without any proof given by you that it was otherwise. You gave a generic "Wrongggg! unt ah no way!".
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And still no proof nearly 3 months later. The silence is deafening.
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No proof in the other threads either.

Just a lot of "Wrongggg! unt ah no way!" No scriptural proof.
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The subject itself is a matter of faith and decernment. You're not going to believe it if you are already biased against it.

I've been reading this thread and it's apparent to me that you're not the slightest bit objective about the subject. I saw a post where someone stated that the Holy Spirit would be removed from the earth before the revealing of the Anti-Christ and you dismissed it out-of-hand without any proof given by you that it was otherwise. You gave a generic "Wrongggg! unt ah no way!".
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Post the Bible passage. Please don't post 1 Corinthians 13:10. That is a terrible kind of cherry picking.
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Wait for it. I predict the person posts this.

The Man of Sin
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come , except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him , whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2Thessalonians 2:1-12

Do the exegesis is if this is your passage.
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And still no proof nearly 3 months later. The silence is deafening.
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No proof in the other threads either.

Just a lot of "Wrongggg! unt ah no way!" No scriptural proof.
 Quoting: Achduke7


The subject itself is a matter of faith and decernment. You're not going to believe it if you are already biased against it.

I've been reading this thread and it's apparent to me that you're not the slightest bit objective about the subject. I saw a post where someone stated that the Holy Spirit would be removed from the earth before the revealing of the Anti-Christ and you dismissed it out-of-hand without any proof given by you that it was otherwise. You gave a generic "Wrongggg! unt ah no way!".
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I do not dismiss it. I just do not see any scriptural proof that it is the Holy Spirit that is removed. Especially when the bible makes it clear that the 144K are sealed during the tribulation. Who would be sealing the 144K if the Holy Spirit is removed?

Revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

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And still no proof nearly 3 months later. The silence is deafening.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69636023


No proof in the other threads either.

Just a lot of "Wrongggg! unt ah no way!" No scriptural proof.
 Quoting: Achduke7


The subject itself is a matter of faith and decernment. You're not going to believe it if you are already biased against it.

I've been reading this thread and it's apparent to me that you're not the slightest bit objective about the subject. I saw a post where someone stated that the Holy Spirit would be removed from the earth before the revealing of the Anti-Christ and you dismissed it out-of-hand without any proof given by you that it was otherwise. You gave a generic "Wrongggg! unt ah no way!".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79244739


I do not dismiss it. I just do not see any scriptural proof that it is the Holy Spirit that is removed. Especially when the bible makes it clear that the 144K are sealed during the tribulation. Who would be sealing the 144K if the Holy Spirit is removed?

Revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
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There you go making Biblical sense again!
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And still no proof nearly 3 months later. The silence is deafening.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69636023


No proof in the other threads either.

Just a lot of "Wrongggg! unt ah no way!" No scriptural proof.
 Quoting: Achduke7


The subject itself is a matter of faith and decernment. You're not going to believe it if you are already biased against it.

I've been reading this thread and it's apparent to me that you're not the slightest bit objective about the subject. I saw a post where someone stated that the Holy Spirit would be removed from the earth before the revealing of the Anti-Christ and you dismissed it out-of-hand without any proof given by you that it was otherwise. You gave a generic "Wrongggg! unt ah no way!".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79244739


I do not dismiss it. I just do not see any scriptural proof that it is the Holy Spirit that is removed. Especially when the bible makes it clear that the 144K are sealed during the tribulation. Who would be sealing the 144K if the Holy Spirit is removed?

Revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
 Quoting: Achduke7


I wasn't arguing in favor of that position, I was making a comment that you didn't provide any verses and that you dismiss other when they do the same.
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For the Antichrist to be successful, which we know in Revelation that he at least initially and partially is, then he has to take out America and the US military or corrupt it. Most likely the American Christians are demonized as Biden is doing right now. People like Pelosi will fall in lock step and make claims "it'sthe better good to be embrace diversity across the Relublic and feed the people..."

I would be willing to bet that much of the Tribulation of Christians happens in America, and the apostasy largely happens in Europe as they have abandoned Christianity. The EU probably abandons NATO and the Antichrist stirs up the Middle East and causes brushfires in India and Africa and Asia and Israel is invaded.

It is very likely for wholesale genocide of Christians in Africa and the EU will do nothing. Africa will be pagan and Muslim again.

Luke 21 states Jerusalem will be surrounded. I bet the EU outright refuses to lift a finger and even is concilliatory with the Antichrist.

With so much going on, Kim in North Korea is replaced, China invades, and South Korea capitulates, then Japan. There are a LOT of Christians in South Korea. It would be a disaster.
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We do not know what happens to America. Maybe the AC comes from America. Prophecy is often made known after it happens. As for Jerusalem it has already been surrounded once. Does it need to happen again? A partial preterist view says no. Although the man of sin has not come into power that I know of yet.
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I would just call them either fulfilled or failed prophecies, depending on which ones came about. No prophet can prophecy accurately 2500 years or more ahead in time. Those Bible prophecies are done and are not for this age. The destroyed Temple was rebuilt (then destroyed again doesn’t count), Messiah did not conquer the world for Israel. That failed. It’s done. Time for new prophecies.
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There is no way you can Biblically defend that everything in Revelation has come to pass. Ain't so.

Revelation 6 has NOT happened yet.





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