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It was more a rhetorical question. The point of the thread is Paul does not break the law or suggest others do. Many say he does but he would be a hypocrite if he told others to break the law and then followed the law himself. Paul loved the law and followed it. He was not a hypocrite.
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sitquiet Then why dont you believe what he wrote about the Rapture?

KJV 1 Thess. 4 13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

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The only time he used a word similar to rapture was harpazo and he only used it once. It means caught up and I do believe that will happen but at the time Christ returns and not before.

1Th 4:15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.


The alive remain until the coming of the Lord and Will not precede the dead which most certainly the martyrs from the tribulation are dead.
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The only time he used a word similar to rapture was harpazo and he only used it once. It means caught up and I do believe that will happen but at the time Christ returns and not before.

1Th 4:15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.


The alive remain until the coming of the Lord and Will not precede the dead which most certainly the martyrs from the tribulation are dead.
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summer You don't make sense.
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1th 4:15 Makes perfect sense. Those that are alive are not caught up before the dead. The tribulation saints are part if the dead and will be caught up before the living. This happens at the coming of the Lord.
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It was more a rhetorical question. The point of the thread is Paul does not break the law or suggest others do. Many say he does but he would be a hypocrite if he told others to break the law and then followed the law himself. Paul loved the law and followed it. He was not a hypocrite.
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:sitquiet: Then why dont you believe what he wrote about the Rapture?

KJV 1 Thess. 4 13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

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The only time he used a word similar to rapture was harpazo and he only used it once. It means caught up and I do believe that will happen but at the time Christ returns and not before.

1Th 4:15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.


The alive remain until the coming of the Lord and Will not precede the dead which most certainly the martyrs from the tribulation are dead.
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What is the origin of that picture? Look it up.
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Hint:Nazi Youth circa WW2.
~Newton's Own~

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There is no such thing as a pre trib rapture.

Plain and simple.
A coward dies a thousand times, but the valiant need taste of death but once.

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[link to www.pinterest.com (secure)]
Hitlerjugend ie Maidens of the Hitler Youth.
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Notice how the image was "scrubbed" by removing the insignia on the t-shirt.

That is all that was altered.
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It was more a rhetorical question. The point of the thread is Paul does not break the law or suggest others do. Many say he does but he would be a hypocrite if he told others to break the law and then followed the law himself. Paul loved the law and followed it. He was not a hypocrite.
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sitquiet Then why dont you believe what he wrote about the Rapture?

KJV 1 Thess. 4 13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

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The only time he used a word similar to rapture was harpazo and he only used it once. It means caught up and I do believe that will happen but at the time Christ returns and not before.

1Th 4:15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.


The alive remain until the coming of the Lord and Will not precede the dead which most certainly the martyrs from the tribulation are dead.
 Quoting: Achduke7


What is the origin of that picture? Look it up.
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Interesting. It is always posted.

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There is no such thing as a pre trib rapture.

Plain and simple.
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I am waiting for scripture that defends it.

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There is a supernatural battle being waged and not everyone who claims to be a Christian actually is one, but are satanic minions.
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Not a single verse that supports the Pre-Trib Rapture.

Think about it. What best helps Lucifer? If Christians think they will not suffer"tribulation", thus do not prepare as the innocent wise virgins with lamp oil, but rather are caught blind sided.

Thus they will be persecuted and have no supplies and be totally mentally unprepared.

Some may then even accept the mark of the Beast to feed their families and may even lose their faith and may even betray other Christians.

What does the Groom say when the wedding feast happens and there are those who are unprepared to greet him. "I never knew you."
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but are satanic minions.
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Who?
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John Hagee supports the Pre-Trib Rapture.
He says members of Judasim don't need salvation by grace from Jesus.
He says a lot of shocking things.
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How about the Pope?
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How about pastors teaching their members that it's okay to take the mark of the Beast, because GOD forgives everything???
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I think for myself.
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The only time he used a word similar to rapture was harpazo and he only used it once. It means caught up and I do believe that will happen but at the time Christ returns and not before.

1Th 4:15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.


The alive remain until the coming of the Lord and Will not precede the dead which most certainly the martyrs from the tribulation are dead.
 Quoting: Achduke7


summer You don't make sense.
 Quoting: Judethz


1th 4:15 Makes perfect sense. Those that are alive are not caught up before the dead. The tribulation saints are part if the dead and will be caught up before the living. This happens at the coming of the Lord.
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Looks like she deleted this reply also.
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If you believe in something without Scriptural authority, then you believe in "dogma" and are a heretic.
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Ever see this picture posted? It's the same thing: Maidens of the Hitler Youth.
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A person claims to be a Christian, and posts Hitler youth images all the time. It doesn't add up.
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Open heresy is taught by this person who ignores the Bible's order of the seals being broken. She thinks the 6th seal can be broken before 1-5!
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What does the Bible say about those who teach heresy?

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
Galatians 1:6-10

They are accursed.
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Christains at each others throats over interpretation.

How classic.

I bet every one of you pretentious fuckers is wrong about almost everything.

And you can mark that down as I said so.
A coward dies a thousand times, but the valiant need taste of death but once.

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I love it. I directly quote the order of the seals. There is no interpretation to the order of the seals! It's what the Bible says!

The sixth seal can't happen first. It happens after the 1st, the 2nd, then the 3rd, then the 4th, then the 5th, and only then does the 6th seal occur.
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A Hitler Youth posting heretic consistently teaches the wrong order of the seals.
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It's NOT about that and YOU know it. It's about the TRUTH of scripture.

Ironic that Revelation doesn't mention the "vials of wrath" until Chapter 15.

Revelation 15:7 And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever.

Revelation 16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

Tribulation IS NOT wrath.
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summer I would think that in most peoples minds the two words are pretty much interchangeable. You always seem to deliberately overlook the fact that the Bible was written to bring the truth to simple men and women. All you are doing is using clever lawyers tricks, combined with an authoritive air, it all sounds good at first hearing. But as always with your neigh saying words they collapse into dust.
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Tribulation is not wrath. The wrath of God is clearly defined in Revelation


Paul gloried in tribulations.


Romans 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; 4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope: 5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

The Wrath of God comes on the Children of Disobedience. Not on Sons and Daughters of God.

Colossians 3:5 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

During the tribulation the saints are killed by the devil not by God. The tribulation is from the devil and the wrath of God comes down on the disobedient. They are not the same. The devil is fighting the saints during the tribulation and why is he making war with the saints?

Because they believe and follow God and Christ.


Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

You say the tribulations saints are in error but you fail to see the devil is attacking them and giving them tribulation because of the very fact that they keep the commandments of God and believe in Christ.

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I predict not a single person can supply one verse that in any way suggests a Pre-Tribulation Rapture.

It's been over a month. We can supply lots of After the Tribulation verses.

The craziest aspect is the Pre-Tribbers suggesting that the order of seals in Revelation 6 doesn't matter. That's rather the point of Revelation 6.

If you can't find a Biblical basis for a concept, then what you believe is dogma at the very least based on tradition. At the worst, it's open heresy and so makes those promoting it "accursed".
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Anyone promoting heresy is, whether they admit to it or not, helping Lucifer by confusing Christians with lies.
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Anyone promoting heresy is, whether they admit to it or not, helping Lucifer by confusing Christians with lies.
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What do you mean by promoting heresy?
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I predict not a single person can supply one verse that in any way suggests a Pre-Tribulation Rapture.

It's been over a month. We can supply lots of After the Tribulation verses.

The craziest aspect is the Pre-Tribbers suggesting that the order of seals in Revelation 6 doesn't matter. That's rather the point of Revelation 6.

If you can't find a Biblical basis for a concept, then what you believe is dogma at the very least based on tradition. At the worst, it's open heresy and so makes those promoting it "accursed".
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I believe they are leading the sheep into a calm before they are slaughtered and not preparing them.
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