Why the Rapture may be sooner than many people think.

Fail number 4857564 for Judethz

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I think that you have a nasty surprise coming to you.

are you the nasty surprise?

It is to bad that most of you "bible thumpers" on here, don't actually know your Bibles.
You just spew the same old dribble that your group believes or that some you tube idiot thought up.

We are not even near the Beginning of this stuff yet. This is just "normal" stuff for this world.
Lots of Plagues in History, much worse than this one, and it was not "the END Times". So get over it.
Learn what is really coming first and then when it finally happens, then you can say "yes, this is the start of the End Times", and be correct.

Bible tards don't get that their book has been altered. We will have Bible tards 2000 years from now rambling about the Rapture.

Boy if that ain't the pot callin the kettle black I dunno what is...

yeah I know... everyones a tard except you you Master genius of 10D chess...

jeeesh...

How do you know, it's obvious from your vitriol filled post that you hate the Lord, yet you presume to tell us what's true and what is'nt!

Thank you for all the abuse you suffer for the truth... many crowns await you my sister... and yes, soon

There is no such thing as a rapture in scripture.

Keep telling yourself that... That's just your excuse to not accept what Yeshua did for you on the cross.

But when it happens I hope you have time to repent.

... you DO realize the original manuscripts are in existence... right?

What the fuck is a rapture?

has it ever occurred to you that maybe you've been blinded to this truth...

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you obviously won't understand...

Really, you obviously know nothing yet come on here spouting off like your a brilliant intellectual laying down the law to us dumb peasant's. We know this do you really think that we are as stupid as you are.

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Or the contrary. No rapture happening at all. Since is obvious that your whole faith is based on this, it will be a punch in the gut for you.

Thanks guys.

You are obviously severely brainwashed.

Thank you for asking.

The Pre-Tribulation Rapture View

When dealing with doctrinal issues, sometimes some truths are right there in the Bible in front of our noses, and it's easy for us to understand them. Other truths are more challenging and require us to look at the whole chapter, book, or bible in order to fully grasp the concepts. When any one verse dealing with a particular doctrinal issue appears to stand apart from other similar truths, we should suspect that there may be an interpretive or possibly a translational issue involved that needs further research. I believe the doctrine of the rapture is one such difficult truth.

The word 'rapture' is not listed in the English bible. But it is listed in the Latin Vulgate bible, written by Jerome in the early 400's AD. The word there is ‘rapiemur‘, 'raeptius' or 'rapturo' , which translated into English means 'rapture'. It is found here in the English bible:

1 Thessalonians 4:17
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be *caught up* together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

In English bibles, ‘rapiemur‘, 'raeptius' or 'rapturo' is transliterated into 'caught up'. That happens sometimes during the translation process to try to communicate the point more familiarly.

The original Thessalonian manuscripts however were written in Greek. There were actually no 'English' words at all in the original bibles, including the word 'bible' itself. And the original Greek word for 'rapture' is listed in English script as 'harpazo', which means 'to rapture up into the air', or to 'snatch away'.

It was this original Greek term 'harpazo' that Jerome later translated into Latin as ‘rapiemur‘, 'raptus' or 'raeptius', which was later translated into English as 'rapture'. These terms all mean the same thing: 'to be caught up'.

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Below are some reasons I believe the Pre-Tribulation Rapture doctrine is likely to be the most biblically accurate view:

1. Imminency. We're supposed to look, watch, and wait for Yahshua(Jesus') imminent return. Nothing has to happen before Yahshua(Jesus) returns for us. (1 Thes. 5: 4-6, 2 Thes. 3:5, 1 Cor. 1:7; Phil. 3:20-21; 1 Thes. 1:10; Titus 2:13; Heb. 9:28; 1 Peter 1:13; Jude 21) The non-Pre-Trib positions ALL require certain things to happen 1st before Yahshua(Jesus) can return. Things like the Antichrist's 7 yr peace treaty with Israel, the rebuilding of the Hebrew Temple in Jerusalem on the Temple Mount right on or next to the Muslim Dome of the Rock, the 7 Seals of Judgment, etc. These things destroy imminency.

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2. Dispensation of the Tribulation. The Bible states that Daniel's 70th Week/Tribulation/Great Tribulation/Time of Jacob's Trouble/Day of the Lord/Wrath of God are all things related to God's dealing with Israel getting ready to restore it back to His grace. (Deut. 4:29-30; Jer. 30:4-11; Ezek. 20:22-44; 22:13-22) This is not a time for the Church, but a time for "those who dwell on the earth"- meaning non-Christians. (Rev. 3:10; 6:10; 8:13; 11:10; 13:8, 12, 14; 17:2, 8)

3. Dispensation of the Church. The Church is promised to be taken up to the Father's House. (John 14:1-3 Compare this verse with 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18) How can that be if the Church remains here on earth thru the 2nd Coming? Going up to meet Yahshua(Jesus) in the air at the moment He's coming down to finish off the Antichrist and his armies is not the same as the Church going up to heaven. There is no mention of Yahshua(Jesus) going back to heaven in the Bible after His 2nd Coming. And I don't think He's going to open heaven and come down with all His angels just to pick up the Church in the air, then do a mid-flight U-turn & go back up to heaven. Then grab some horses and linens for the Church. Then do another U-turn and come back immediately to finish off the Antichrist. The Bible doesn't say that.

Also the Church is a Mystery. (Eph. 3:1-13; 2:11-22) That means a new Truth has just been revealed. The Old Testament prophets knew nothing about it or it's role in God's plan. But they did know a lot about the Tribulation period. This is further evidence that the two ages: the Old Testament Israel era & the New Testament Church era will not overlap. Right now, the Hebrews and Gentiles are co-mingled in the Church, (Eph. 2-3) but this can't be when you look at God's 70 Weeks program for Israel in Daniel. The two must be separated prior to the beginning of Daniel's 70th Week, which is the beginning of the 7 year Tribulation.

The Church has also been promised deliverance from the TIME of God's wrath. That means, "out of the time period" of the Tribulation. (1 Thes. 1:9-10; 5:9; Rev. 3:10)

4. Time Gap Needed. A time period is needed in heaven to handle some things that will take place with the Church after the rapture.

The Judgment Seat of Christ(or 'Bema' in Greek) needs to happen to Christians in the Church in heaven before they return with Yahshua(Jesus) to the Battle of Armageddon. (2 Corinthians 5:10) This is when they get their rewards for good Christian service (or not)

The Bride of Christ (the true Assembly(Church) has to be in heaven to get ready for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb(Revelation 19:7-10) as I mentioned earlier. They can't do this if they don't go up to heaven before the 2nd Coming.

The 24 Elders around the Throne in heaven appear to be very representative of the Church. If this is so, the Church must be in heaven prior to the opening of the 1st Seal of the Scroll of the Tribulation- the opening kick-off if you will. (Revelation 4:1-5:14) In the New Testament, the elders represent the Church. (Acts 15:6; 20:28) In the Old Testament, the elders were always 24 in number, and appointed by King David to represent the entire priesthood. In Yahshua(Jesus') new Millennial Kingdom, Christians will assume the title of the Priesthood. (Revelation 20:6)

Where are all the mortals? If all the Christians are raptured up at the 2nd Coming of Christ, who will be left to re-populate the earth during the Millennial Kingdom? All the bad guys will be gone because of the Battle of Armageddon and the Wheat & Tares/Sheep & Goats Judgment. Raptured Christians will have immortal bodies and will no longer pro-create. (sorry) But the Bible clearly states that there will be mortal Christians who survived the cataclysm and who would carry on mortal life on earth. (Isa. 65:20-25). And, the Wheat & Tares/Sheep & Goats Judgment would also be impossible if all the good guys were already raptured. There would be no need for a separation of the two groups of mortals. This is an impossible situation for the Post-Tribulation Rapture proponents.

5. The Presence of the Holy Spirit. The 'man of lawlessness'/Antichrist/beast is said to be held back for now. (2 Thessalonians 2:1-12) The 'restrainer of evil'/Holy Spirit (2 Thessalonians 2:6-8) is at work in the Church right now and will leave with it in the Pre-Trib rapture. This will then free the Antichrist to unleash his demonic power on the world soon after, which is the first Seal of Judgment to be opened in heaven after the rapture. The Pre-Trib view is the only view that can work here.

6. Here are some comparisons between the Rapture & the 2nd Coming:

Rapture: is a translation or resurrection coming where the Lord comes FOR His Church/Bride (1 Cor. 15:51-52; 1 Thess. 4:15-17) and taking her to His Father's House. (John 14:3).
2nd Coming: Yahshua(Jesus) is coming WITH his saints/Church/Bride to set up His Millennial Kingdom on earth for 1000 yrs. (Rev. 19; Zech. 14:4-5; Matt. 24:27-31)

Rapture: is a Mystery, a newly revealed truth (1 Cor. 15:51-54; Col. 1:26) not known to the Old Testament prophets, and making it a separate event from anything they have foreseen. The New Testament talks about the Rapture of the Church and the 2nd Coming.
2nd Coming: was predicted in the Old Testament. (Dan. 12:1-3; Zech. 12:10; 14:4) The Old Testament of Israel just talks about the 2nd Coming.

More comparisons between the two:

Rapture: Translation (changed into immortal bodies) of all believers (1 Cor. 15:52-53)
2nd Coming: No translation of anyone (Rev. 19:11-21, Matt. 25:34) survivors of the Tribulation inherited the 1000yr Kingdom, but with no translation into immortal bodies, Isa. 65:20)

Rapture: Translated saints go up to heaven (1 Cor. 15:51-55, 1 Thess. 4:15-17)
2nd Coming: Translated saints return to earth (Rev. 19:7-8, 11-14)

Rapture: Earth is not judged at that time (1 Cor. 15:53-58, 1 Thess. 4:16-18)
2nd Coming: Earth is judged and righteousness is restored (Matt. 25:31-46, Rev. 19:1-6, 20:4)

Rapture: Imminent and sign-less (Matt. 25:13, Mark 13:32-37, Luk. 12:40, Phil. 4:5, Jas. 5:8, Rev. 1:3, 22:10, Tit. 2:13, 1 Thes. 5:6)
2nd Coming: Follows exact signs and days according to Daniel and Revelation prior to (Matt. 24:15-30, Dan 9:27 & 12:11-13, Rev. 6-18)

Rapture: Is for Believers only (1 Thes. 4:13-18 “For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.”)
2nd Coming: Is for everyone (Matt 25:1-2 the wise and the foolish virgins; Matt. 25:46 the sheep & the goats)

Rapture: Happens before the Day of Wrath (1 Thes, 4:13-18 & 1 Cor. 15:51-55; neither mentions the Antichrist, the 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse, the 7 Seal judgments, the 7 trumpet judgments, the 7 bowl/vial judgments, the Wrath of God, Armageddon, or the wheat/tare & sheep/goat judgments thereafter)

2nd Coming: Concludes the Day of Wrath (Rev. 6-20:4; Matt. 25:31-46; Dan 9:27 & 12:11-13 specifically mention the Antichrist, the 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse, the 7 Seal judgments, the 7 trumpet judgments, the 7 bowl/vial judgments, the Wrath of God, Armageddon, or the wheat/tare & sheep/goat judgments thereafter.)

Rapture: Has no reference to Satan (1 Thes, 4:13-18 & 1 Cor. 15:51-55)
2nd Coming: Satan is bound up for 1000 yrs. (Rev. 20:1-3)

Rapture: Yahshua(Jesus) comes in the air only (1 Thes, 4:13-18)
2nd Coming: Yahshua(Jesus) comes down to the earth (Zech. 14:4)

Rapture: Only Christians see Him (1 Thess. 5:2 He comes “like a thief in the night” so most people won’t know it when He arrives; 1Cor. 15:52 it is said that it will happen “in the twinkling of an eye”, that’s very fast, perhaps too fast to see; Dan. 10:7 Daniel had a vision that no one else there could see; Acts 9:7 the men with Saul could not see what Saul was experiencing), and which news is “comforting” to us believers.

2nd Coming: Everyone sees Him (Rev. 1:7 says “every eye shall see Him” and “everyone on earth shall wail because of Him.”) and they are not happy about it.

Rapture: It’s a joyful and comforting occasion for believers (1 Thess. 4:13-18)
2nd Coming: It’s a terrible day of wrath and destruction for God’s enemies (Rev. 19:15-21)

Rapture: Tribulation then begins (1 Thess. 5:1-11 immediately after Paul’s discussion of the rapture in ch. 4:13-18 he then describes what comes next: the Day of the Lord, sudden destruction, no escape for those people who live in darkness. We are to watch for His rapture and be sober, knowing that we are not appointed to His wrath. That whether we be alive or dead at the time of His rapture, we will then live together with Him. Where will we live with Him? John 14:1-3 in His “Father’s House” in heaven during the Tribulation; Isa 26:20 “Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast”)

2nd Coming: Millennial Kingdom begins (Rev. 20:4 those who were beheaded in the Tribulation for Yahshua(Jesus) lived & reigned with Him for 1000 years. That is the Millennial Kingdom.)

7. Practical Results of a Pre-Trib Rapture. Some people think the Pre-Tribbers have illusions of escapism that will destroy their witness and faith if the Pre-Trib Rapture doesn't play out. They think Pre-Tribbers don't care about anything or anyone because they think they have a 'Get out of Jail Free' card for the Tribulation. However, they might not realize that Yahshua(Jesus) will reward Christians for good service at the Judgment Seat of Christ later in heaven after the rapture. If there is no good Christian service, there may be little or no rewards waiting for them after the rapture.

The fact that Yahshua(Jesus) could return today for us should be a good motivator for living a good Christian life and doing good works for Christ.

Also, knowing that loved ones: friends and family, who aren't Christians will be left behind after the rapture to face the coming cataclysm of the Great Tribulation should be enough to motivate them to try to lead as many people as possible to Christ before it's too late.

If the Pre-Wrath or Mid-Tribulation or Post-Tribulation Rapture view was accurate, a simple study of Daniel's 70th Week would then show you exactly when Yahshua(Jesus) is returning for the 2nd Coming. All you have to do is note when the Antichrist's 7 year peace treaty with Israel is signed, or note just when the Antichrist's abomination of desolation in the new Hebrew Temple happens, and you can compute the exact day of our Lord's 2nd Coming. No imminency there. No need to always live a righteous life there. You could then just sin and sin and wait around until the last day before Christ's return and then repent and be good. Based on my understanding of the Bible, I just don't think it works like that.

8. Yahshua(Jesus) Himself taught about the coming Rapture. “1. Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me. 2. My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.” -John 14:1-3
Where is Yahshua’s ‘Father’s House’? In heaven. He’s going to prepare a place for us in His Father’s House in heaven.
Then what? He will come back for us. That’s the Rapture!
What will he do after He comes back for us, set up His Millennial Kingdom here on earth then? No! He will take us (meaning to go somewhere) to be with Him. Where is He? In heaven. He takes us up to heaven at that time. He doesn’t stick around to battle the Antichrist or to save the world at that time.

Instead, He takes us to our new home, in His Father’s House, in heaven! And after the Bema Seat judgment, and after we get our white linens/robes, and after we get our white horses, and after the 7 yr. Tribulation on earth, THEN Yahshua(Jesus) returns to earth with all His angels, and us believers too on our white horses, to rid the world of the Antichrist, the False Prophet, and all of Satan’s NWO armies. And only THEN does He set up the new Millennium. Only then has ‘Thy Kingdom Come’.

9. Whoever said that everyone must suffer through the Tribulation to be purified?, or to do XYZ good works in the Tribulation to get saved?

Ephesians 2:7-9
7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Yahshua(Jesus).
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

What about everyone who has died already who didn't suffer any hardships at all? By some people's definition, they are not saved because they have suffered no great tribulation. That just doesn't make any sense. Yahshua(Jesus) said that we would be delivered from the time and hour of God's judgment to "those who dwell on the earth." His great judgment is for those who have rejected Yahshua(Jesus), not for His children. Satan has given Christians plenty of tribulation over the years, and continues to do so even today.

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Revelation 3:10 (KJV)
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

That is the 'Blessed Hope!'

Titus 2:13 (KJV)
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Yahshua(Jesus) Christ

Maranatha!

Peace.

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Says who the tribe?

Blinded to the bull shit.

then why are you concerned?, rapture won't effect
you at all

Thanks for continuing to try to warn the lost..even in the face of ridicule and verbal persecution. If even only one hears and is saved or turns back to the truth it is worth it.


Last Daze

Somewhere in the darkest night a stranger has lost the way
Cold wind and a distant light has carried his heart away
Some say he was one of us, a prodigal gone astray
But inside he's as cold as ice to the truth that he won't obey
He won't discern - the point of no return

[Chorus:]
In the last daze - the final haze
There was strong delusion to believe a lie
In the last daze before the blaze
They couldn't see beyond their misty trance
To grab the truth and have a fighting chance
In the last daze

Cold chills when the Spirit speaks that some shall depart from the faith
All ends in calamity just when they thought it was safe
They followed the lies - the fables men devised

Some say it's a certainty, a sign of the times I am told
But I weep for the souls of those who will never return to the fold

Petra
Words and music by Bob Hartman
Based on 1 Timothy 4: 1, 2 Thessalonians 2: 11, 2 Timothy 4: 3-4