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Freckle Face
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Freckle Face
(OP) User ID: 78702741 United States 03/29/2020 04:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I did see it save my mom's life in 2014. She had said she never wanted to be on a vent (she was a nurse). It became a different situation though when she was struck with lung cancer in her late 50s, and the surgery to save her life required her to be put on a vent. She ended up agreeing to it, and the surgery successfully save her life. She is on oxygen now though and was not able to return to work. Quoting: Daniel Higdon I think most people once they can’t breathe will do just about anything to be able to breathe. Please don’t worry about that. As your CO 2 levels build up you usually aren’t very aware of much and certainly don’t die gasping for air. No medical team would deny you comfort care with morphine and anti anxiety meds. I’m 69 years old. I went to my doctor weeks ago and had a DNR signed. I’m good with dying. I was a hospice nurse for a long time and have been with lots of people who have lung disease that contributes to their death. Truly not a terrible death. It is not painful. You can be sedated. It is my understanding that they are venting people before they get ARDS, as soon as they can’t keep your oxygen saturation up, so you have a better chance of recovery without permanent lung damage. It’s not the vent that causes damage, it’s the lung disease. The data for long term full recovery from ARDS (acute respiratory disease syndrome) from any disease and needing mechanical ventilation is not so great. Chinese protocols for CoVid19 recommended ventilation earlier (before ARDS damage) in the course of disease to minimize permanent lung damage. I have not seen any articles released about how patients in China are recovering. Please, anyone who has data post it. SO all that doom said, if you’re under 60 and in good health and you have a good medical team, go for the vent. If your quality of life sucks later, then check out on your own terms. If you have a family depending on you I think you should try to live! It’s not the vent that damages you, it’s the disease. I am so glad you shared this with us today. Thank you for helping to ease the anxiety raging in many right now. You are a gem! |
Freckle Face
(OP) User ID: 78702741 United States 03/29/2020 04:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just wondering what others thoughts are. Quoting: Freckle Face Have you shared your wishes with a loved one or doctor? I don't have loved ones, and, the Doctor/RN I worked on a relationship with for 7 years to maintain hospital admission privileges, either did not call in my script or someone in the chain screwed up. Either way I'm OFF a med I maintained for decades, so ask me in three months when the shit wears off, if I'm still here. I sorry for all the junk you’ve been going through. I pray things go well for you. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78529599 United States 03/29/2020 04:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is a tough one, some people have recovered after being on one, so then you think well if I don't try I could be giving up the chance to live... however... I've read horror stories about it. A lot of people need to be strapped to the bed, because the body's reaction to it sometimes makes you think you are choking, so you want to pull the tube out. So they restrain you to the bed...hooked up to the machine...alone. You can't talk, it's not possible. Some people I've seen in the videos have their eyes covered over with gauze as well. I've never been put under, I refuse to unless absolutely necessary, so never have. My wife told me she remembers dreaming while being under. Ok, fuck that. I have nightmares quite often, so being trapped in one literally sounds awful. I told my wife last night, if it comes to that point, I probably will grab a bottle of whiskey and pull the cat move. Metallica One comes to mind [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
Daniel Higdon
User ID: 69657566 United States 03/29/2020 04:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I did see it save my mom's life in 2014. She had said she never wanted to be on a vent (she was a nurse). It became a different situation though when she was struck with lung cancer in her late 50s, and the surgery to save her life required her to be put on a vent. She ended up agreeing to it, and the surgery successfully save her life. She is on oxygen now though and was not able to return to work. Quoting: Daniel Higdon I think most people once they can’t breathe will do just about anything to be able to breathe. Please don’t worry about that. As your CO 2 levels build up you usually aren’t very aware of much and certainly don’t die gasping for air. No medical team would deny you comfort care with morphine and anti anxiety meds. I’m 69 years old. I went to my doctor weeks ago and had a DNR signed. I’m good with dying. I was a hospice nurse for a long time and have been with lots of people who have lung disease that contributes to their death. Truly not a terrible death. It is not painful. You can be sedated. It is my understanding that they are venting people before they get ARDS, as soon as they can’t keep your oxygen saturation up, so you have a better chance of recovery without permanent lung damage. It’s not the vent that causes damage, it’s the lung disease. The data for long term full recovery from ARDS (acute respiratory disease syndrome) from any disease and needing mechanical ventilation is not so great. Chinese protocols for CoVid19 recommended ventilation earlier (before ARDS damage) in the course of disease to minimize permanent lung damage. I have not seen any articles released about how patients in China are recovering. Please, anyone who has data post it. SO all that doom said, if you’re under 60 and in good health and you have a good medical team, go for the vent. If your quality of life sucks later, then check out on your own terms. If you have a family depending on you I think you should try to live! It’s not the vent that damages you, it’s the disease. Thanks so much for this post. |
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Forum Moderator User ID: 78593703 United Kingdom 03/29/2020 04:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was under the impression that those needing ventilation were mostly on the non-invasive kind. There is a bag for emergencies. But ventilator means intubation (hose down into tracheae) and hooking you up to a machine. Ventilation DOESN'T mean intubation! Intubation means intubation! A ventilator is ANY machine that gives oxygen, whether by nasal cannula, mask or tube. Most people obviously use non-invasive ventilation which is considered to be really good these days. The only problem with non-invasive face masks is that they are prone to leaks around the mouth area, the higher the pressure is turned up. This is when intubation is needed as the patient isn't getting the desired oxygen due to the pressure causing the mask to pull away resulting in leakage. My Niece died a couple of months back, she was 10. This happened to her in ICU. She was on 100% oxygen, full pressure.. mask was leaking as it was too much for it to take. Her body was shutting down, all the observations showed us this. They asked us if we wanted her intubated, we refused. She'd already decided she wanted to slip away. We gave her morphine, took off the mask and let her pass. I'll NEVER FORGET IT. ------------------------------------- "I've Seen Enough Of War. I've Seen Enough Of Death. I Don't Want To Be A Public Person Anymore." SKOL! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72647173 United States 03/29/2020 04:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The ventilator to me is not the issue. It is the permanent damage it does to your lungs. It could be like having COPD, constantly out of breath. With no quality of life, if it came to it, I say give me the morphine on the way out. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54547252 I'd rather be overdosed with fentanyl like how hospice does with end stage cancer patients. |
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Forum Moderator User ID: 78593703 United Kingdom 03/29/2020 05:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This question is pointless some none of us are currently suffocating. Good luck sticking to your decision now when you're gasping for air. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75641809 This^^^ Watched my Brother pass away gasping for air whilst on a ventilator and dying with COPD. They wouldn't give him morphine because he'd been a heroin addict before. He died terrified. ------------------------------------- "I've Seen Enough Of War. I've Seen Enough Of Death. I Don't Want To Be A Public Person Anymore." SKOL! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78347277 United States 03/29/2020 06:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My dad passed away in 2013 at the VA from lung cancer and sepsis. He was a bit wheezy and agitated near the end until they gave him some large doses of fentanyl. He basically went into a coma and eventually stopped breathing. He died peacefully and that’s all I could hope for if the Covid puts me in that situation. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78546160 United Kingdom 03/29/2020 07:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was under the impression that those needing ventilation were mostly on the non-invasive kind. There is a bag for emergencies. But ventilator means intubation (hose down into tracheae) and hooking you up to a machine. Ventilation DOESN'T mean intubation! Intubation means intubation! A ventilator is ANY machine that gives oxygen, whether by nasal cannula, mask or tube. Most people obviously use non-invasive ventilation which is considered to be really good these days. The only problem with non-invasive face masks is that they are prone to leaks around the mouth area, the higher the pressure is turned up. This is when intubation is needed as the patient isn't getting the desired oxygen due to the pressure causing the mask to pull away resulting in leakage. My Niece died a couple of months back, she was 10. This happened to her in ICU. She was on 100% oxygen, full pressure.. mask was leaking as it was too much for it to take. Her body was shutting down, all the observations showed us this. They asked us if we wanted her intubated, we refused. She'd already decided she wanted to slip away. We gave her morphine, took off the mask and let her pass. I'll NEVER FORGET IT. Heartbreaking story bro, I hope the mother and father are doing well/semi ok, I would not wish that on anyone. |
Simple27
User ID: 40488826 United States 03/30/2020 01:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Absolutely, yes. Several years ago I developed serious complications after an organ transplant, including pneumonia. A ventilator helped me turn the whole thing around. It not only helps you breathe and supplies oxygen, but takes a huge stress off the rest of your body (including your heart) to allow you to heal on your own. I had it for about a week until I could breathe adequately on my own. Saved my life. Quoting: RedMaple Thank you so much for sharing this. Bless you. ~*Ride the Wave*~ |
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Daniel Higdon
User ID: 69657566 United States 03/30/2020 07:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My dad passed away in 2013 at the VA from lung cancer and sepsis. He was a bit wheezy and agitated near the end until they gave him some large doses of fentanyl. He basically went into a coma and eventually stopped breathing. He died peacefully and that’s all I could hope for if the Covid puts me in that situation. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78347277 So sorry for your loss. |
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Ragnar_Lothbrok
Forum Moderator User ID: 78593703 United Kingdom 04/03/2020 02:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Wookiee666 I was under the impression that those needing ventilation were mostly on the non-invasive kind. There is a bag for emergencies. But ventilator means intubation (hose down into tracheae) and hooking you up to a machine. Ventilation DOESN'T mean intubation! Intubation means intubation! A ventilator is ANY machine that gives oxygen, whether by nasal cannula, mask or tube. Most people obviously use non-invasive ventilation which is considered to be really good these days. The only problem with non-invasive face masks is that they are prone to leaks around the mouth area, the higher the pressure is turned up. This is when intubation is needed as the patient isn't getting the desired oxygen due to the pressure causing the mask to pull away resulting in leakage. My Niece died a couple of months back, she was 10. This happened to her in ICU. She was on 100% oxygen, full pressure.. mask was leaking as it was too much for it to take. Her body was shutting down, all the observations showed us this. They asked us if we wanted her intubated, we refused. She'd already decided she wanted to slip away. We gave her morphine, took off the mask and let her pass. I'll NEVER FORGET IT. Heartbreaking story bro, I hope the mother and father are doing well/semi ok, I would not wish that on anyone. They are struggling to even get out of bed these days Bro. They have a 13yr old boy so he's the only reason they're both still here. Never experienced anything like it. It literally ripped your heart out. And we had time to say our goodbyes surrounding her. These Covid patients are going to be dying without loved ones around, in busy environments - it's a terrible thought. ------------------------------------- "I've Seen Enough Of War. I've Seen Enough Of Death. I Don't Want To Be A Public Person Anymore." SKOL! |