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Carol B.
User ID: 77275417 United States 03/22/2020 10:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Important *** Medical Expert gives Clear Cut Information from Wisconsin on What is Really Happening I live in Wisconsin.... I have one question... Where's the op? OP drops this "intel", and then is not posting in their thread again. Smells a little bullshitty. Prayer.....the world's first wireless connection. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69540926 United States 03/22/2020 10:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Important *** Medical Expert gives Clear Cut Information from Wisconsin on What is Really Happening 1.This is serious. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23379229 2.Half of all deaths are under age 50. So people under 50 are "MORE IMPORTANT", "MORE VALUABLE" than those over 50? I would argue that JUST THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE. With age comes WISDOM. Something sadly lacking in the young; especially the young, left-wing commie rat bastards of America. Could this be why? [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)] Influenza vaccination and respiratory virus interference among Department of Defense personnel during the 2017-2018 influenza season. Examining virus interference by specific respiratory viruses showed mixed results. Vaccine derived virus interference was significantly associated with coronavirus and human metapneumovirus; however, significant protection with vaccination was associated not only with most influenza viruses, but also parainfluenza, RSV, and non-influenza virus coinfections. -Or maybe this? [link to www.cbsnews.com (secure)] Almost half of coronavirus patients have digestive symptoms, study finds However, the finding showed that patients with digestive symptoms had a longer time from symptom onset to hospital admission than patients without digestive symptoms, 9 days versus 7.3 days. And in the face of this why not read this from 2005? [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)] Yes, Chloroquine (quinine) is effective. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76795013 Singapore 03/22/2020 10:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Important *** Medical Expert gives Clear Cut Information from Wisconsin on What is Really Happening The more I hear from medical professionals, the more this virus sounds man made and very unnatural, especially the part about not getting a fever. Fevers are how your immune system attacks viruses for the heat kills it as well it lets you know something's wrong Quoting: KuvaszLove While I'm still agnostic on the idea of man made corona coz it's still a speculation which is hard to prove with absolute certainty, no fever doesn't necessarily means man made. Epstein Barr virus which according to many sources infected 95% of the world population, can stay inside a person without causing any fever or symptoms for years or decades until the body accumulated much more toxin and the immune system gets weaker. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78128618 United States 03/22/2020 11:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Important *** Medical Expert gives Clear Cut Information from Wisconsin on What is Really Happening I've assumed catching it was worst case all along and have tried pretty hard for weeks to isolate myself sufficiently to push the probably of catching to as close to zero as I could. As to "no effective treatments", there are claims out there from doctors treating patients in different areas of the world that say they have found some effective treatments. Let's hope they are correct. |
Timur2020
User ID: 74628554 United States 03/22/2020 11:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Important *** Medical Expert gives Clear Cut Information from Wisconsin on What is Really Happening It takes a dr all those dam words to say 5 lines? "Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind" Covid, fake riots, communist organizers - keep your powder dry America. This was not the disease or the riots, those both are still on down the line. Garden garden grow spices and medical plants too. I am a VeterAid volunteer for Arrogant Mushroom Healers of Alamogordo. |
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User ID: 19778563 United States 03/22/2020 11:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Important *** Medical Expert gives Clear Cut Information from Wisconsin on What is Really Happening The more I hear from medical professionals, the more this virus sounds man made and very unnatural, especially the part about not getting a fever. Fevers are how your immune system attacks viruses for the heat kills it as well it lets you know something's wrong Quoting: KuvaszLove That was interesting to read. I had something awful a few weeks ago, but I didn't have a fever ... Hmm ... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70779133 United States 03/22/2020 11:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Important *** Medical Expert gives Clear Cut Information from Wisconsin on What is Really Happening Fake and more fear. Ignore it, this is what the media wants. If it's heart killing, tell that to the 90yrs granny that is recovering suvcessfully atm Remember people, if the panic is not real.... they have failed in bambozeling you. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 70779133 United States 03/22/2020 11:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Important *** Medical Expert gives Clear Cut Information from Wisconsin on What is Really Happening I live in Wisconsin.... Quoting: Carol B. I have one question... Where's the op? OP drops this "intel", and then is not posting in their thread again. Smells a little bullshitty. Expect hundreds of threads popping up like this yo spread fear. The state departmentbknows of a made record from outside forces in spreading fear inside us. Wake up people..... It's just the Chinese flu. Everything is fine... deaths are slowing down so fast that it's almost a crime that the media should face a court trial. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 74700717 United States 03/22/2020 11:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Important *** Medical Expert gives Clear Cut Information from Wisconsin on What is Really Happening This is a private email passed from one professional in Wisconsin to another. It doesn't violate copyright laws so I am going to post it in its entirety considering the severity of the virus. I have also changed names to protect the privacy of these professionals. Quoting: asymetriclogic You all may not know it, but I am involved with a national organization called Take Heart America, and also with the Sudden Cardiac Arrest Foundation. As such, I have become involved in some of the latest research and have been able to meet and get to know some of the leading emergency and cardiac medicine doctors in the world. Tonight I was emailing with one of them, and he sent me what I can only describe as 'a real wake-up call' in response to my suggesting that we get together. I am sharing this with you and my friends and family in the hopes that it gets the unvarnished truth out about what is going on in terms of the corona virus. The email went as follows: Mark, As a good friend, I want to communicate the following information about COVID-19. . Please do not misinterpret my communication. I am not sending this to scare you, just to provide you with the latest, and most reliable information healthcare providers have received to prepare for this pandemic, so you and your wife can make informed decisions for yourself. The major points (as of today – this is rapidly evolving) are as follows: 1. This is serious. 2. Half of all deaths are under age 50. 3. Anecdotally, XXX has 2 patients with COVID-19 on ECMO - one previously healthy 27 year old and one previously healthy 30 year old. 4. With COVID-19 infections, there appears to be a component of direct infection of the heart, decreasing strength of the pumping action of the heart. Older people and people with cardiac and pulmonary conditions are at further, increased risk. 5. There is no known effective treatment. 6. Many patients with COVID-19 and symptoms are presenting to the emergency department only with upper respiratory complaints or a cough – no fever. 7. Following infection with COVID-19, there is an asymptomatic period of 2-9 days where people spread the disease to those they come into contact with. For every known case, there are at least 10 asymptomatic cases spreading the disease. 8. Thus, the number of asymptomatic infected people actively spreading the virus in public settings is exponentially higher right now than the number of known cases. 9. Fr******** ED had its first confirmed case Saturday. Yesterday they had 6 confirmed cases. The rate is rising exponentially. 10. The only known effective way to not get this disease is strict social isolation now (not next week!). This disease is unprecedented in any human experience in the last 100 years (since the Spanish Flu Pandemic of 1918). Given the available information today, my personal advice is to consider COVID-19 like a possible fatal disease in your decision-making. Example: what is the benefit of going to the restaurant tonight and having a wonderful dinner with my wife versus do I want to risk possibly getting a potentially fatal disease? That is the analogy for the meaning of “strict, social isolation”. Go in your house, shut the door, and don't come out. Timing is everything. The rate of known cases will exponentially increase by the day. “Now” versus “next week” matters. Not widely appreciated is that the expected duration of the need for this kind of strict social isolation is in the approximate range of at least 4-6 months. Wisconsin is expected to peak for known cases by mid to late May. It will also probably take just as long for it to taper off (IF social isolation compliance is effective). Accordingly, the responsible suggested recommendations are to cancel all in-person meetings. Do everything remotely. Stay home. Wash your hands frequently (use hand sanitizer). Sanitize your computer keyboard, cell phone, and surfaces at home frequently. Don't touch your face. Order groceries by delivery, if possible. Leave home only when absolutely necessary and then follow the "at least 6 foot rule" - keep at least 6 feet between you and the other person. You and I are at further, increased risk. In response to your request to meet in several weeks to discuss XXX, let's do it by phone or computer. Again, I don't want to scare you. However, we all need to have the correct information (the government has done an absolutely shameful job until the past few days) and respect this pandemic, and then keep it simple, do some basic things, implement strict isolation by the definition above, keep positive, and provide leadership institutionally, locally, and at home and with your loved ones and friends. Hunker down, and...stay healthy! May God protect us all from this pestilence. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77858671 United States 03/22/2020 11:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Important *** Medical Expert gives Clear Cut Information from Wisconsin on What is Really Happening This is a private email passed from one professional in Wisconsin to another. It doesn't violate copyright laws so I am going to post it in its entirety considering the severity of the virus. I have also changed names to protect the privacy of these professionals. Quoting: asymetriclogic You all may not know it, but I am involved with a national organization called Take Heart America, and also with the Sudden Cardiac Arrest Foundation. As such, I have become involved in some of the latest research and have been able to meet and get to know some of the leading emergency and cardiac medicine doctors in the world. Tonight I was emailing with one of them, and he sent me what I can only describe as 'a real wake-up call' in response to my suggesting that we get together. I am sharing this with you and my friends and family in the hopes that it gets the unvarnished truth out about what is going on in terms of the corona virus. The email went as follows: Mark, As a good friend, I want to communicate the following information about COVID-19. . Please do not misinterpret my communication. I am not sending this to scare you, just to provide you with the latest, and most reliable information healthcare providers have received to prepare for this pandemic, so you and your wife can make informed decisions for yourself. The major points (as of today – this is rapidly evolving) are as follows: 1. This is serious. 2. Half of all deaths are under age 50. 3. Anecdotally, XXX has 2 patients with COVID-19 on ECMO - one previously healthy 27 year old and one previously healthy 30 year old. 4. With COVID-19 infections, there appears to be a component of direct infection of the heart, decreasing strength of the pumping action of the heart. Older people and people with cardiac and pulmonary conditions are at further, increased risk. 5. There is no known effective treatment. 6. Many patients with COVID-19 and symptoms are presenting to the emergency department only with upper respiratory complaints or a cough – no fever. 7. Following infection with COVID-19, there is an asymptomatic period of 2-9 days where people spread the disease to those they come into contact with. For every known case, there are at least 10 asymptomatic cases spreading the disease. 8. Thus, the number of asymptomatic infected people actively spreading the virus in public settings is exponentially higher right now than the number of known cases. 9. Fr******** ED had its first confirmed case Saturday. Yesterday they had 6 confirmed cases. The rate is rising exponentially. 10. The only known effective way to not get this disease is strict social isolation now (not next week!). This disease is unprecedented in any human experience in the last 100 years (since the Spanish Flu Pandemic of 1918). Given the available information today, my personal advice is to consider COVID-19 like a possible fatal disease in your decision-making. Example: what is the benefit of going to the restaurant tonight and having a wonderful dinner with my wife versus do I want to risk possibly getting a potentially fatal disease? That is the analogy for the meaning of “strict, social isolation”. Go in your house, shut the door, and don't come out. Timing is everything. The rate of known cases will exponentially increase by the day. “Now” versus “next week” matters. Not widely appreciated is that the expected duration of the need for this kind of strict social isolation is in the approximate range of at least 4-6 months. Wisconsin is expected to peak for known cases by mid to late May. It will also probably take just as long for it to taper off (IF social isolation compliance is effective). Accordingly, the responsible suggested recommendations are to cancel all in-person meetings. Do everything remotely. Stay home. Wash your hands frequently (use hand sanitizer). Sanitize your computer keyboard, cell phone, and surfaces at home frequently. Don't touch your face. Order groceries by delivery, if possible. Leave home only when absolutely necessary and then follow the "at least 6 foot rule" - keep at least 6 feet between you and the other person. You and I are at further, increased risk. In response to your request to meet in several weeks to discuss XXX, let's do it by phone or computer. Again, I don't want to scare you. However, we all need to have the correct information (the government has done an absolutely shameful job until the past few days) and respect this pandemic, and then keep it simple, do some basic things, implement strict isolation by the definition above, keep positive, and provide leadership institutionally, locally, and at home and with your loved ones and friends. Hunker down, and...stay healthy! May God protect us all from this pestilence. Agreed |
dawning light
User ID: 73179195 United States 03/22/2020 11:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Important *** Medical Expert gives Clear Cut Information from Wisconsin on What is Really Happening Total bullshit. Quoting: Zalinsky As of a few days ago, Italy had 1 death in sub-50 age group. I'm sure it has gone up, but we are talking less than 1% of deaths. Same with China: [link to www.businessinsider.com (secure)] It's possible that greater than 50% of incoming patients are younger, but as long as they have access to oxygen and do not have other serious underlying health problems, their recovery rate is almost 100%. That may be true for Italy but just the opposite here. Why? they live differently than us. They eat better, exercise more and share housing differently than us. So what may be true for some people doesnt mean its true for you or me. There is a lot of disinformation being touted out there it is up to the individual to do the research. EVERY doctor I have talked to ( I am a cancer patient) has said that this is NOT the flu. It very dangerous and people need to start taking this serious. Stay safe people. And though this world, with devils filled, should threaten to undo us, We will not fear, for God hath willed His truth to triumph through us; The Prince of Darkness grim, we tremble not for him; His rage we can endure, for lo, his doom is sure, One little word shall fell him |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72430464 United States 03/22/2020 11:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Important *** Medical Expert gives Clear Cut Information from Wisconsin on What is Really Happening Beaumont doctor exaggerates hospital conditions during coronavirus outbreak; health organization responds Doctor claimed ICU “full of young adults on ventilators fighting for their lives” [link to www.clickondetroit.com (secure)] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77837750 United States 03/22/2020 11:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Important *** Medical Expert gives Clear Cut Information from Wisconsin on What is Really Happening how can a disease be considered fatal when 80 percent of the people who get it don't get sick enough to notice they even have it? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70925567 Because like 5% of people die from it. Wake up you dumb moran. how dare you waste GOP thread space with your stupid comments? 5% of those tested, and they are ONLY testing the gravest ill. Even that 5% is utter bs, because the hospitals are adding the numbers for aid money. I wrote a thread about it, because I have a relative in a NYC hospital who is being ORDERED to do just that. The numbers are all fuckery. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 66794842 United States 03/22/2020 11:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Important *** Medical Expert gives Clear Cut Information from Wisconsin on What is Really Happening This flu is dangerous, but people have to stop freaking out and only DO THE RIGHT THING! Stay home, wash your hands, take vit c and D3 eat good food and try to stay happy. |
Beast Baby
User ID: 69625466 Brazil 03/22/2020 11:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Important *** Medical Expert gives Clear Cut Information from Wisconsin on What is Really Happening Fake and more fear. Ignore it, this is what the media wants. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70779133 If it's heart killing, tell that to the 90yrs granny that is recovering suvcessfully atm Remember people, if the panic is not real.... they have failed in bambozeling you. I have a friend who told me that on Thursday he intubated a 96-year-old patient who tested positive for the coronavirus and who is already recovering. Gloria Fortis Miles Adversor et Admorsus |
Beast Baby
User ID: 69625466 Brazil 03/22/2020 11:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Important *** Medical Expert gives Clear Cut Information from Wisconsin on What is Really Happening how can a disease be considered fatal when 80 percent of the people who get it don't get sick enough to notice they even have it? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70925567 Because like 5% of people die from it. Wake up you dumb moran. how dare you waste GOP thread space with your stupid comments? 5% of those tested, and they are ONLY testing the gravest ill. Even that 5% is utter bs, because the hospitals are adding the numbers for aid money. I wrote a thread about it, because I have a relative in a NYC hospital who is being ORDERED to do just that. The numbers are all fuckery. Link tô your thread, please. Gloria Fortis Miles Adversor et Admorsus |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75668073 United States 03/22/2020 12:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Important *** Medical Expert gives Clear Cut Information from Wisconsin on What is Really Happening There is FAR FAR FAR TO MUCH DISINFO being spread to PIN a thread like this. This is a terrible situation that we have no solid facts on, if this email is real you should've been responsible enough to post the actual EMAIL itself, not a copy and past. Vetted information when posting on behalf of medical professionals in a situation as serious as this is an absolute necessity, anything less is totally irre-fucking-sponsible. And so is the PIN IMO. |
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User ID: 78259322 United States 03/22/2020 12:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Important *** Medical Expert gives Clear Cut Information from Wisconsin on What is Really Happening . ... I'm also from wisconsin ... . [link to covidtracking.com (secure)] . ... as of this posting in wisconsin 281 are pos/4,628 neg and 4 have passed ... . . Our family celebrates The Lord's Feasts: [link to www.grafted-promise.net] Fools and the dead don't change their minds. Fools won't and the dead can't. When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar. You are only telling the world that you fear what he might say. Quoting: CountryWise Amos 5:13 - Therefore at such a time the prudent person keeps silent, for it is an evil time. |
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User ID: 78259322 United States 03/22/2020 12:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Important *** Medical Expert gives Clear Cut Information from Wisconsin on What is Really Happening I live in Wisconsin.... Quoting: Carol B. I have one question... Where's the op? OP drops this "intel", and then is not posting in their thread again. Smells a little bullshitty. . ... I don't think they realize there are OTHERS who live in wisconsin who ALSO VISIT THIS SITE! ... . . Our family celebrates The Lord's Feasts: [link to www.grafted-promise.net] Fools and the dead don't change their minds. Fools won't and the dead can't. When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar. You are only telling the world that you fear what he might say. Quoting: CountryWise Amos 5:13 - Therefore at such a time the prudent person keeps silent, for it is an evil time. |