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Oxygen generator for emergency coronavirus use

 
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Oxygen generator for emergency coronavirus use
Question for practical people out there.

Say your hospitals are swamped. No beds. No ventilators available. No oxygen available due to nationwide shutdown. You need oxygen to treat your family or perhaps yourself. It's your last chance to prevent death.

You have electricity, 12V. You have water and some pieces of metal. You can generate oxygen using electrolysis.

How big of an electrolysis cell do you need to build to generate enough oxygen to keep someone with breathing difficulties alive?

What about generating it chemically?

Someone might need oxygen over the course of days. That means you need a constant supply of chemicals.

Electrolysis would be constant, providing you can generate enough.

Materials available

Tin cans from prep store. Tinsnips.
Plastic water bottles, various sizes
Wire. Rivets/screws.
12V source
Epoxy resin

Let's make this!

First question. What's a typical oxygen flow rate for someone being treated in ICU for breathing difficulties?

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Here's a video of what I think you're talking about...




However, I believe that it won't produce enough O2 to sustain any respiratory efforts.

I don't recall the numbers from my EMT days but, I do know that COPD and Pneumonia patients generally get fitted with a full mask flowing at above 6LPM or something.

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CAUTION !!!!!!!!!!
You can generate oxygen using electrolysis.

One SMALL PROBLEM.


"Electrolysis of water is the decomposition of water into oxygen and HYDROGEM GAS due to the passage of an electric current.

HYDROGEN AND OXYGEN.

Nice explosive.


DON'T DO IT.

ELECTRICITY … SPARKS.

boom.

end of story.
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Re: Oxygen generator for emergency coronavirus use
Here's a video of what I think you're talking about...




However, I believe that it won't produce enough O2 to sustain any respiratory efforts.

I don't recall the numbers from my EMT days but, I do know that COPD and Pneumonia patients generally get fitted with a full mask flowing at above 6LPM or something.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
 Quoting: Travis Bickle


Yes!

We need to collect the oxygen. We need to be able to drive fairly hard with current.

So -

4 series 'cells' with 4 oxygen collectors, hydrogen to atmosphere.
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6LPM is a lot :/
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6LPM is a lot :/
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Yeah... The demand is much higher than the supply. Probably why Hospitals still flow Oxygen from tanks.
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Whats wrong with a oxygen concentrator?...
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Hmm that took 1hr to generate a small amount of oxygen.
Maybe with some luck and a lot of tin cans that could be 8x or 10x.

I still think it's doable. But maybe not in a quick enough time. Need a lot of surface area suspended too. Hmmm..
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Whats wrong with a oxygen concentrator?...
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Interesting. Can one be made with simple materials and techniques?
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Don't work that hard, you can get an oxygen generator from ebay for about 300 bucks.

Search for oxygen concentrator on ebay.

Don't try to build this yourself.

You'd best get on this, most of these are coming from China.
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Whats wrong with a oxygen concentrator?...
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Interesting. Can one be made with simple materials and techniques?
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Its basically a compressor, zeolite sieve, and reservoir tank......BUT you can buy them online......I always buy them when they pop up on craigslist.....paid between $50 and $300 each....I use them as a cheap oxygen source for my oxygen prone torch used in metal working.....

Amazon sell some "oxygen bar" units for home use......The one I buy are rated for continuous use.....same ones the hospital and surgical supply use....ther are also online stores that sell rebuilt units.....

Personally I think this is an essential prep item ......virus compromised lungs don't transfer O2 well....
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Whats wrong with a oxygen concentrator?...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77699866


Interesting. Can one be made with simple materials and techniques?
 Quoting: Pb-frizbee


Its basically a compressor, zeolite sieve, and reservoir tank......BUT you can buy them online......I always buy them when they pop up on craigslist.....paid between $50 and $300 each....I use them as a cheap oxygen source for my oxygen prone torch used in metal working.....

Amazon sell some "oxygen bar" units for home use......The one I buy are rated for continuous use.....same ones the hospital and surgical supply use....ther are also online stores that sell rebuilt units.....

Personally I think this is an essential prep item ......virus compromised lungs don't transfer O2 well....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77699866


Oxygen propane torch.....

BTW these units have a very long service life....rated in the thousands of hours before the zeolite sieve beds need replacing....
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This was interesting!
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A lot of work to make this though.
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A better fix is go to dive shop and buy a used dive tank and a used regulator. Have them fill tank with oxygen. You only need a couple of breaths every so often to keep your oxygen levels up.

Get a finger oxygen meter from drug store to monitor your oxygen levels.

I have used this setup when I go camping at 12000 feet. Works great.

I live in Fl and have heart problems but love to camp high up in the Rockies.
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oh yea? how are you going to give yourself kidney dialysis? get some things at Walmart and make one?
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oh yea? how are you going to give yourself kidney dialysis? get some things at Walmart and make one?
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oh yea? how are you going to give yourself kidney dialysis? get some things at Walmart and make one?
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Wow, incredible. Thanks for the slamdown.
These things can be done!
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Re: Oxygen generator for emergency coronavirus use
Question for practical people out there.

Say your hospitals are swamped. No beds. No ventilators available. No oxygen available due to nationwide shutdown. You need oxygen to treat your family or perhaps yourself. It's your last chance to prevent death.

You have electricity, 12V. You have water and some pieces of metal. You can generate oxygen using electrolysis.

How big of an electrolysis cell do you need to build to generate enough oxygen to keep someone with breathing difficulties alive?

What about generating it chemically?

Someone might need oxygen over the course of days. That means you need a constant supply of chemicals.

Electrolysis would be constant, providing you can generate enough.

Materials available

Tin cans from prep store. Tinsnips.
Plastic water bottles, various sizes
Wire. Rivets/screws.
12V source
Epoxy resin

Let's make this!

First question. What's a typical oxygen flow rate for someone being treated in ICU for breathing difficulties?
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I found this on thingiverse

Plastic frame to construct electrolysis plate and membrane for gas separation.

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