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User ID: 78499428 United Kingdom 02/20/2020 09:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I hope you’re well GE. Well I had been pretty confident of a Fury win up to this point. But something is desperately wrong. I have just watched the interview below & all the body language & psychology led me to ascertain that Fury knows there is a physical issue & he can not win this fight. At times he makes more of an effort to resort to the ‘Winners rhetoric’ but in general this is a man who is already beaten. I am now 95% confident of a Wilder win, and early. I expect to see a very cagey Fury & rather than simply ‘defensive’ & ‘strategically distant’ I am sure we will see a ‘reluctant’ to step forward Fury & just throw the jab through desperation & unfortunately run into trouble early on. Wilder will spend 3-4 rounds gauging his reluctance & realise he can start throwing caution to the wind with Fury on the back foot & will knock him out in the Fifth. I would be stunned if anything else happened, in fact, I wouldn’t be gob smacked if Fury’s team cancelled the bout at the last minute, although I expect the guaranteed ‘Third Fight’ was written into the contract at the last minute to avoid that & ensure that Fury enters the ring with him knowing this is a done deal & he can look toward the third. Something is very wrong. .............but boxing is boxing & although Fury isn’t the heaviest hitter in the game, Wilder doesn’t have a Mike Chin either so......... I would put put 3 months wages on my Wilder win prediction but I abhor betting so instead.......... ........I’ll Pin it. Let’s see..... [link to youtu.be (secure)] Last Edited by Ayr Phorce Yuan on 02/20/2020 10:26 PM GLP alert level 2; "Go get a Hard Hat:. GLP alert level 1; "Put the fucking Hat on:. |
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User ID: 78499428 United Kingdom 02/20/2020 10:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Obviously, Fury is a better boxer, and Wilder is one hell of a puncher.. Quoting: Grey Eagle Styles make fights. The over/under is 10.5 rounds, per that particular linked source. That's tough one also to call. Myself, I had Fury winning their first bout by one point. Same I had Fury as well. So if Fury really won the 1st one, will they get you to watch #3 by giving it to Deontay this time around? Probably and then they'll do a trilogy fight. Yes, the third has already been written into the contract regardless of this outcome. GLP alert level 2; "Go get a Hard Hat:. GLP alert level 1; "Put the fucking Hat on:. |
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User ID: 78499428 United Kingdom 02/20/2020 10:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That fight was a brilliant display by Joshua, not very ‘dynamic’ but a man doing his job brilliantly. Although I do miss the days of Tyson, Holyfield, Spinks, Foreman, Frazier........the list goes on. ......with Mike at the very top of it for me, for pure unadulterated entertainment. GLP alert level 2; "Go get a Hard Hat:. GLP alert level 1; "Put the fucking Hat on:. |
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User ID: 48549196 Canada 02/20/2020 10:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Obviously, Fury is a better boxer, and Wilder is one hell of a puncher.. Quoting: Grey Eagle Styles make fights. The over/under is 10.5 rounds, per that particular linked source. That's tough one also to call. Myself, I had Fury winning their first bout by one point. Same I had Fury as well. He ate canvas TWICE. No way it should have even been a draw. Watch objectively next time. |
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User ID: 78499428 United Kingdom 02/20/2020 10:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Obviously, Fury is a better boxer, and Wilder is one hell of a puncher.. Quoting: Grey Eagle Styles make fights. The over/under is 10.5 rounds, per that particular linked source. That's tough one also to call. Myself, I had Fury winning their first bout by one point. Same I had Fury as well. He ate canvas TWICE. No way it should have even been a draw. Watch objectively next time. Boxing is intended to be ‘objective’ & victory denoted by a point system, not decided by subjective ‘entertainment opinion’. At he conclusion of the fight, Fury ‘had’ to have been in the lead by ‘more’ than a point. That is beyond doubt & after this fight even the Wilder camp are going to admit that. GLP alert level 2; "Go get a Hard Hat:. GLP alert level 1; "Put the fucking Hat on:. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72538163 United States 02/20/2020 11:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That first knockdown in the 8th had Fury off balance and his head low, whereby Deontay nailed him on the top of his head for that mistake. Not a TRUE knockdown, imo, just Fury being off-balance. The 2nd knockdown was legit. I did give Wilder 2 pts for the 2 knockdowns but I had Fury ahead throughout, based on his landed-connections and especially lots of jabs being landed by Tyson. It was very close in my opinion. And in the interest of fan/wagering-money being spent on a 3rd fight, it would be in both fighters' intere$t$ for it to go 12 on Saturday night. But I don't know. Their animosity seems real, and they may both try to knock the other guy out in about 48 hours time from now... Then agree to do it one more time next year or in 2022.. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78498775 United States 02/21/2020 01:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Analyzing Wilder's style .. my impression is that he's not particularly disciplined, defensive-wise, not in a true boxing sense. Nothing like an EARLY Mike Tyson or a Floyd Mayweather or a Lennox Lewis (or a Pernell Whitaker .. or a Marvin Hagler or a Ray Leonard). Quoting: Grey Eagle Wilder's greatest strength is his patience and that resolve to wait ... until his opponent relaxes (too much) and lowers his guard - and hands - one too many times. Then it's that waiting opportunistic right hand with a long long reach to the chin and ... lights out. Big highly-skilled guys like Lennox Lewis would drive Wilder crazy, as the fight wore on. Like a WELL-conditioned Holyfield did to a defensively-weak Mike Tyson on 2 separate occasions. And I think Foreman's chin would survive Wilder's bombs. Wilder vs a YOUNG jab-master Larry Holmes would sure be interesting. So how would a young (Mike) Tyson do against Wilder? That would depend on the date - being with Cus D'Amato or w/o D'Amato.. Tyson would have to corner Wilder though, in order to deliver the goods.. One of those two would definitely be knocked out in that theoretical bout. Then we have Tyson Fury. Who looks (and dances) somewhat unorthodox, but fights smart, and does use his own particular defense (in spite of the knockdown by Wilder). Fury isn't a remarkable hitter, but utilizes those other skills and smarts, plus alot of heart and willpower to achieve his in-ring success. ----------------------------------------------------------- [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Is Wilder in the All-Time Top Five, power-wise amongst heavies? Statistically, yes. Based on %s and KOs within 3 rounds. I say "no", based on actual/real power and his degree of 'competition'. As Wilder hits (KOs) guys when they least expect it, in all rounds. Definitely there in the Top Twelve or Top Twenty Heavyweights (of alltime). He's the most opportunistic Heavyweight I think I have seen since a young Mike Tyson. Similar to a stalking/searching Julian Jackson (hard-hitting middleweight). No (power) comparison to Earnie Shavers, George Foreman, Ken Norton, Dempsey, Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis, Holyfield, Donovan 'Razzor' Ruddock - all in their PRIME.. And Wilder's chin is nothing special, either. Brilliance be thine name. If you ever write a book ( preferably a multi-volume one) I'll fork out the Benjamins to purchase and read. Your mind is like Sun Tzu. Saving this analysis for the rest of my life. |
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(OP) User ID: 72538163 United States 02/21/2020 02:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Analyzing Wilder's style .. my impression is that he's not particularly disciplined, defensive-wise, not in a true boxing sense. Nothing like an EARLY Mike Tyson or a Floyd Mayweather or a Lennox Lewis (or a Pernell Whitaker .. or a Marvin Hagler or a Ray Leonard). Quoting: Grey Eagle Wilder's greatest strength is his patience and that resolve to wait ... until his opponent relaxes (too much) and lowers his guard - and hands - one too many times. Then it's that waiting opportunistic right hand with a long long reach to the chin and ... lights out. Big highly-skilled guys like Lennox Lewis would drive Wilder crazy, as the fight wore on. Like a WELL-conditioned Holyfield did to a defensively-weak Mike Tyson on 2 separate occasions. And I think Foreman's chin would survive Wilder's bombs. Wilder vs a YOUNG jab-master Larry Holmes would sure be interesting. So how would a young (Mike) Tyson do against Wilder? That would depend on the date - being with Cus D'Amato or w/o D'Amato.. Tyson would have to corner Wilder though, in order to deliver the goods.. One of those two would definitely be knocked out in that theoretical bout. Then we have Tyson Fury. Who looks (and dances) somewhat unorthodox, but fights smart, and does use his own particular defense (in spite of the knockdown by Wilder). Fury isn't a remarkable hitter, but utilizes those other skills and smarts, plus alot of heart and willpower to achieve his in-ring success. ----------------------------------------------------------- [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Is Wilder in the All-Time Top Five, power-wise amongst heavies? Statistically, yes. Based on %s and KOs within 3 rounds. I say "no", based on actual/real power and his degree of 'competition'. As Wilder hits (KOs) guys when they least expect it, in all rounds. Definitely there in the Top Twelve or Top Twenty Heavyweights (of alltime). He's the most opportunistic Heavyweight I think I have seen since a young Mike Tyson. Similar to a stalking/searching Julian Jackson (hard-hitting middleweight). No (power) comparison to Earnie Shavers, George Foreman, Ken Norton, Dempsey, Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis, Holyfield, Donovan 'Razzor' Ruddock - all in their PRIME.. And Wilder's chin is nothing special, either. Brilliance be thine name. If you ever write a book ( preferably a multi-volume one) I'll fork out the Benjamins to purchase and read. Your mind is like Sun Tzu. Saving this analysis for the rest of my life. Haa.. thank-you. Years of observation is all that was above. I'm watching America's next heavyweight in Andy Ruiz, Jr, who is more of a well-trained all-arounder and pure boxer than the opportunistic right-handed stalker that Wilder really is. Ruiz is no fluke or just "a lucky puncher" (against AJ). He's polished and I see no flaws in his talent and ring-savvy and overall generalship. :fireplace: "Remember when we used to treat colds and flu with chicken soup, saltwater gargles and warm tea instead of Communism?" |
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(OP) User ID: 72538163 United States 02/21/2020 02:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Fury had 46 stitches above his eye after his last fight in September. No way that's staying closed. Wilder will open that cut and win after six or seven for certain. Fight will be stopped. We will have a third fight in December. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77733986 Unfortunately, I can't see Fury protecting that vulnerability over 12 long rounds. Thanks for the cut reminder. . It sucks, but I fully agree with you. Wilder is gonna be headhunting for it. Either as Plan A .. or if frustrated ... as Plan B. Which makes Fury fight from a desperate need to go for an early KO .. or dance in reverse or sideways for 12 rounds (as the crowd boos).. I absolutely hate cut-situations. It truly changes everything, imho. :fireplace: "Remember when we used to treat colds and flu with chicken soup, saltwater gargles and warm tea instead of Communism?" |
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User ID: 75749167 United Kingdom 02/21/2020 07:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Think deeper and deeply: When Fury beat Klitschko on the 28 Nov 2015, he was 9969 days old. Fury stands at 6 feet 9. One time. Leave it there? Look to Wilder's fight on Saturday, and check his current boxing record versus his age on that day (412 months): Wins 42 Wins by KO 41. Note the word "current". Forthwith... You may decide the outcome therein. Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. "A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices" George Orwell. |
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User ID: 78499428 United Kingdom 02/22/2020 10:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ABOUT AN _________________TO GO__________________ Good luck, hoping for a Fury win but............................................. Last Edited by Ayr Phorce Yuan on 02/22/2020 10:44 PM GLP alert level 2; "Go get a Hard Hat:. GLP alert level 1; "Put the fucking Hat on:. |
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