Cytokine Storm - how much nicotine or other remedy? | |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 78468630 United Kingdom 02/12/2020 05:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Have any of you tried to find this information out about nicotine? I've searched and searched and tried different search words. You can find out that it is meant to help but can't seem to find anywhere that actually gives a protocol of how much and how often. |
Mamabear93
User ID: 72435013 United Kingdom 02/12/2020 05:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I would benefit from this information too! I have 3 small children Aged 3 5 and 6 if anyone can share doses. Can u use nicotine patches? Or is there another method that's more effective other then smoking of course lol. Good luck OP i see your from the UK too is anyone wearing masks in your area yet? I've not seen one person yet. If u don't mind me asking what other beneficial things have you got for yourself and the children to prevent or treat. Thanks |
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Miss Bunny Swan
User ID: 77962251 Hong Kong 02/12/2020 05:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don’t really know but I figure stick with what you can handle. Like if you get the gum (4mg) and never smoked or don’t smoke, maybe you can handle 2 pieces of gum a day. If you have more than you can handle you will puke and stuff. Just take as much as you can without puking |
DrakeZ
User ID: 3849539 Germany 02/12/2020 05:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I would benefit from this information too! Quoting: Mamabear93 I have 3 small children Aged 3 5 and 6 if anyone can share doses. Can u use nicotine patches? Or is there another method that's more effective other then smoking of course lol. Good luck OP i see your from the UK too is anyone wearing masks in your area yet? I've not seen one person yet. If u don't mind me asking what other beneficial things have you got for yourself and the children to prevent or treat. Thanks Yes there is a great alternative to smoking: Nasal Snuff Here in Germany (and in the UK), a lot of people take it on a regular basis. Believe it or not: since 1990 I take pinches of nasal snuff several times a day and never (!) got a cold or the flu. There are different brands with different nic. Strengths available in the US too, there is also a very good online shop in England shipping to the US. Secondly, nasal snuff is very cheap because there are nearly no taxes on it. It takes a few tries until you develop your "technique" of snuffing. Courser types are easier to take. I personally prefer German "Schmalzler", a very traditional type with a medium nic. Strengths. And yes, you can easily get a nicotine buzz (more than even the strongest cig can deliver) if you're using a stronger variety. The nic hit of snuff is direct and quick, similar to a drag on a cigarette. That's the reason why you have to take a pinch serveral times a day. If you prefer a long lasting effect, Swedish snus would be an alternative. It's a small bag filled with tobacco placed under the lip. The nic. is slowly delivered into the body over several hours. I strongly suggest to visit "snuffhouse.org", a forum dedicated solely to nasal snuff. Lots of tips and reviews there. Last Edited by DrakeZ on 02/12/2020 05:58 AM |
Psychonaut SN7
User ID: 76355711 United States 02/12/2020 06:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not sure about the dose wearing a strong Nicotine patch would probably work best. Also a combination of an H1 Inhibitor (Benadryl for example), an H2 Inhibitor (Zantac for example), and an NSAID will reduce the effects of a Cytokine Storm. Neither Nicotine or the Combo actually prevent it they just help reduce the effects... [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)] "The syntactical nature of reality, the real secret of magic, is that the world is made of words. And if you know the words that the world is made of, you can make of it whatever you wish." ~ Terence McKenna |
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TlvmmCpoft
User ID: 77347043 Poland 02/12/2020 06:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Remember that nicotine in small doses is deadly, so please use it in ways that we are accustomed to and are generally known to be within safe amounts - i.e. smoking, patches.... vaping if you're a dweeb. Also, if you're going with smoking, don't inhale. It's terrible for the lungs, especially when you have developing pneumonia or lung damage. The flesh on the inside of your mouth can absorb the nicotine perfectly fine. Last Edited by TlvmmCpoft on 02/12/2020 06:05 AM I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies. There's a fine line between training, trauma, and torture. |
Green Onions
User ID: 75769027 United Kingdom 02/12/2020 06:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Intermittent Fasting Reset Your Immune System [link to www.forbes.com (secure)] In the 2014 study, Valter Longo and colleagues at USC found that fasting lowered white blood cell counts, which in turn triggered the immune system to start producing new white blood cells. White blood cells (or lymphocytes) are a key component of your body’s immune system. Once you start eating again, according to Longo, your stem cells kick back into high gear to replenish the cells that were recycled The science suggests that, if you can do it, a prolonged fast for 2-3 days will induce your body to clean out some old immune cells and switch on production of new ones green onions |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74322544 United States 02/12/2020 06:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It varys per person. and it does have a very quick tolerance build up where you need more and more for the same result. Just get you a high strength vape pen. Vape until you feel sorta sick and wanna take a nap. That's the limit. So use less than that. |
Andraste
User ID: 77472980 United States 02/12/2020 06:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For those thinking of using nicotine on children... Nicotine overdose isn't difficult. Please look it up. A patch would be a horrible idea. Sweating vomiting. Etc. Please research nicotine overdose. Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same. ~Ronald Reagan |
Shurrie
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Cynical Realist
Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 44654501 United Kingdom 02/12/2020 07:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My question to ALL is..... Would you know if you were having a cytokine storm?? Heres a question.... If you thought you were having a Cytokine storm.... What would you do?? Would you take ANYTHING???? If so what!! IF YOU HAVE A FEVER DO NOT LOWER IT WITH MEDS.... A FEVER IS AN IMMUNE SYSTEM RESPONSE TO A PATHOGEN (VIRUS, BACTERIA ETC..) IT MEANS YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM IS WORKING PROPERLY....DONT USE DRUGS TO LOWER YOUR TEMP. |
Cynical Realist
Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 44654501 United Kingdom 02/12/2020 07:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Come on guys...... You think you are having a Cytokine storm Right now.... Tic Toc..... IF YOU HAVE A FEVER DO NOT LOWER IT WITH MEDS.... A FEVER IS AN IMMUNE SYSTEM RESPONSE TO A PATHOGEN (VIRUS, BACTERIA ETC..) IT MEANS YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM IS WORKING PROPERLY....DONT USE DRUGS TO LOWER YOUR TEMP. |
TlvmmCpoft
User ID: 77347043 Poland 02/12/2020 07:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My question to ALL is..... Would you know if you were having a cytokine storm?? Quoting: Cynical Realist Heres a question.... If you thought you were having a Cytokine storm.... What would you do?? Would you take ANYTHING???? If so what!! I'd think inflammation would be a visible sign, but who knows. Inflammation can be caused by a variety of things. I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies. There's a fine line between training, trauma, and torture. |
Cynical Realist
Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 44654501 United Kingdom 02/12/2020 07:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My question to ALL is..... Would you know if you were having a cytokine storm?? Quoting: Cynical Realist Heres a question.... If you thought you were having a Cytokine storm.... What would you do?? Would you take ANYTHING???? If so what!! I'd think inflammation would be a visible sign, but who knows. Inflammation can be caused by a variety of things. How would it be visible.... ?? Can you see your lungs?? ARDS!!!! IF YOU HAVE A FEVER DO NOT LOWER IT WITH MEDS.... A FEVER IS AN IMMUNE SYSTEM RESPONSE TO A PATHOGEN (VIRUS, BACTERIA ETC..) IT MEANS YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM IS WORKING PROPERLY....DONT USE DRUGS TO LOWER YOUR TEMP. |
platzee
User ID: 72909113 United States 02/12/2020 07:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Get your body into ketosis. Allow yourself to adapt to fat. Can be done by doing an 18-6 intermittent fasting regimen. During the six hours, only animal protein. If it has a mom eat it. The most anti inflammatory diet you can eat. This allows your immune system to do its job properly. Most other foods get in the way. The chronic inflammation runs interference for pathogens. Creates a diversion that keeps your immune system busy dealing with the inflammation. Pathogens then are able to take hold unnoticed. Then it’s too late causing an extreme overreaction. |
TlvmmCpoft
User ID: 77347043 Poland 02/12/2020 07:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My question to ALL is..... Would you know if you were having a cytokine storm?? Quoting: Cynical Realist Heres a question.... If you thought you were having a Cytokine storm.... What would you do?? Would you take ANYTHING???? If so what!! I'd think inflammation would be a visible sign, but who knows. Inflammation can be caused by a variety of things. How would it be visible.... ?? Can you see your lungs?? ARDS!!!! Humans experience inflammation in more than their lungs, especially if things have gone systemic, which would fall under the definition of cytokine storm. God. Am I talking to a three year old? Last Edited by TlvmmCpoft on 02/12/2020 07:25 AM I don't know what lies they told you, but I can promise they were lies. There's a fine line between training, trauma, and torture. |
Cynical Realist
Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 44654501 United Kingdom 02/12/2020 07:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My question to ALL is..... Would you know if you were having a cytokine storm?? Quoting: Cynical Realist Heres a question.... If you thought you were having a Cytokine storm.... What would you do?? Would you take ANYTHING???? If so what!! I'd think inflammation would be a visible sign, but who knows. Inflammation can be caused by a variety of things. How would it be visible.... ?? Can you see your lungs?? ARDS!!!! Humans experience inflammation in more than their lungs. God. Am I talking to a three year old? No... But you are talking to a Health care Practitioner ;) IF YOU HAVE A FEVER DO NOT LOWER IT WITH MEDS.... A FEVER IS AN IMMUNE SYSTEM RESPONSE TO A PATHOGEN (VIRUS, BACTERIA ETC..) IT MEANS YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM IS WORKING PROPERLY....DONT USE DRUGS TO LOWER YOUR TEMP. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78355073 United Kingdom 02/12/2020 07:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Get your body into ketosis. Quoting: platzee Allow yourself to adapt to fat. Can be done by doing an 18-6 intermittent fasting regimen. During the six hours, only animal protein. If it has a mom eat it. The most anti inflammatory diet you can eat. This allows your immune system to do its job properly. Most other foods get in the way. The chronic inflammation runs interference for pathogens. Creates a diversion that keeps your immune system busy dealing with the inflammation. Pathogens then are able to take hold unnoticed. Then it’s too late causing an extreme overreaction. We are talking about children here. |
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stillhere
User ID: 72031485 United States 02/12/2020 07:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I believe what is in this thread, start the over the counter meds at first signs of cold ...follow directions on boxes Thread: Email I just sent to my estranged wife regarding Coronavirus. THIS COULD SAVE LIVES... "You can bend it and twist it... You can misuse and abuse it... But even God cannot change the Truth.” Michael Levy |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 78468630 United Kingdom 02/12/2020 07:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks Mamabear for replying. I'm thinking yes nicotine patches might be the way to go. Although I did read somewhere (probably in that thread mentioned in my OP) about targeting lungs by inhaling it. I looked online at the spray - some negative reviews about how it causes some peoples throats to swell! I also looked at the 'inhalators' - no one mentioned anything about throat swelling with those ones (in the negative reviews). But maybe might be worth a bit of research before buying just to be sure and if the worst comes to the worst and we have to resort to such methods to stop such a deadly reaction as cytokine storm, then it might be worth having done a little test of such nicotine products on ourselves and loved ones in advance, perhaps starting with a little (of liquid from inhalator/spray for example) rubbed on the inside of wrist, then if no reaction after an hour or two, a little on outside edge of lip, then if ok again then a little dab on inside of lip (to check no extreme allergic reaction) so that we feel more confident to use the product if needed. Not sure how to test with patch, other than sticking one on for a short time. It seems such an extreme thing to consider with children but if nicotine can stop that life threatening cytokine storm reaction then I suppose they're better off having nicotine temporarily. I think I will also get normal tobacco and try using it in a vaporiser (might be worth buying one in advance just in case) it would make sense that a vaporiser can also be a useful way of inhaling other herbs that help with other infections too so would be a justifiable cost. The reason I will still get the nicotine patches is I remember reading somewhere (again maybe on that thread I mentioned or a similar thread) that once someone has a cytokine storm reaction they will need to be in hospital and how easy will it be to smoke/inhale in such a situation? Maybe the person won't be in a state to inhale properly. In that situation a patch could be a life saver. Of course, when you start researching patches (and check out the negative reviews) you then have to wade through the pros and cons of those. Some are not meant to be that adhesive and fall off easily! So need to find out which brand actually sticks the best. Probably worthwhile getting some surgical tape in case it doesn't stick (sweating from a fever might make the patch harder to stick, so a good sticky surgical tape would help with that). As for the dosage of nicotine patches. There are different products with different dosages that are delivered in a step by step approach (aimed at helping people quit smoking). So step 1 patches are the strongest (21mg), step 2 (14mg) and step 3 (7mg). Then of course you have to consider do you go for the 24 hour patch, if not, how often should the patch be changed (for adults and children)? There are of course mints and gum but would someone so ill be able to munch on those without choking?! Yes I'm in Wales and I've seen some asian people out and about in supermarkets wearing them (although they can tend to wear them anyway, not sure exactly why, maybe to do with air pollution). I've heard about curcumin so will get some of that. Again, how much and how often is valuable information we need. Anyone here who would be able to advise us please? For the infection itself I have ready the same as for other flu type viruses. Stuff that boosts immune system (which of course wouldn't be the protocol to follow for cytokine storm. If that happened you'd have to stop the immune system boosting protocol and start giving the remedy/remedies that hopefully will be spoken about in this thread). I am stocked up with vitamin c powder. I have an ultrasonic cleaner to make my own liposomal vitamin c. Here's a website that talks about it (it's just an example, research a few other sites about it first before deciding what to get if you do decide to get one). You can find recipes online for what you need to make it. The basic ingredients are vitamin c and lecithin (I go for sunflower lecithin). [link to ultrasonic-cleaners.org (secure)] I also have vitamin d3 1000iu capsules (spray would be useful too). Also get some echinacia herbal tincture (try to get from a local medical herbalist, as I was told once that their tinctures are often double the strength of shop bought ones and also cheaper). There will be other herbs worth getting too no doubt, such as immune boosting astragalus. Also get some oregano essential oil. But be VERY careful with this, it's so potent and can cause skin reactions. You should not use essential oils internally (exceptions might be a drop of oils such as peppermint/orange as flavoring in a recipe) but they are incredibly potent and most could be dangerous to take internally. You could make a massage blend with them, or put in baths. Research on recipes they're easy to find. You could also use a small amount (1 drop to start as very powerful) of that in steam inhalations (can simply be in bowl of hot water with towel over head) but it's potent and you may well have to 'come up for air' between inhalations (and keep eyes closed while inhaling as so strong can sting eyes a bit, that goes for other essential oils too, like eucalyptus). I will mention more things to help when I think of them. Anyway hopefully there's some good folks out there who will share with us exactly what they did to deal with cytokine storm and tell us what to get and the amounts. Thanks Mamabear and good luck to you and your family too I would benefit from this information too! Quoting: Mamabear93 I have 3 small children Aged 3 5 and 6 if anyone can share doses. Can u use nicotine patches? Or is there another method that's more effective other then smoking of course lol. Good luck OP i see your from the UK too is anyone wearing masks in your area yet? I've not seen one person yet. If u don't mind me asking what other beneficial things have you got for yourself and the children to prevent or treat. Thanks |
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Cynical Realist
Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 44654501 United Kingdom 02/12/2020 08:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Come on guys...... You think you are having a Cytokine storm Right now.... Tic Toc..... Quoting: Cynical Realist Tablets? Containing????? IF YOU HAVE A FEVER DO NOT LOWER IT WITH MEDS.... A FEVER IS AN IMMUNE SYSTEM RESPONSE TO A PATHOGEN (VIRUS, BACTERIA ETC..) IT MEANS YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM IS WORKING PROPERLY....DONT USE DRUGS TO LOWER YOUR TEMP. |
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Cynical Realist
Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 44654501 United Kingdom 02/12/2020 08:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Come on guys...... You think you are having a Cytokine storm Right now.... Tic Toc..... Quoting: Cynical Realist Tablets? Containing????? Nicotine, as an alternative for patches. Sold alomgside them for the same purpose. So...just to be clear...... `you think you are having a Cytokine storm....You decide to take these tablets straight away!!! Is that correct?? IF YOU HAVE A FEVER DO NOT LOWER IT WITH MEDS.... A FEVER IS AN IMMUNE SYSTEM RESPONSE TO A PATHOGEN (VIRUS, BACTERIA ETC..) IT MEANS YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM IS WORKING PROPERLY....DONT USE DRUGS TO LOWER YOUR TEMP. |
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LisaDiane
User ID: 75250152 United States 02/12/2020 08:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I believe what is in this thread, start the over the counter meds at first signs of cold ...follow directions on boxes Quoting: stillhere Thread: Email I just sent to my estranged wife regarding Coronavirus. THIS COULD SAVE LIVES... Hello Still Here. Thanks for sharing! LisaDiane |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78355073 United Kingdom 02/12/2020 08:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nicotine, as an alternative for patches. Sold alomgside them for the same purpose. So...just to be clear...... `you think you are having a Cytokine storm....You decide to take these tablets straight away!!! Is that correct?? Before the big event, there might be a preceeding period of deteriorating helath and circumstances right? I had pleurisy once. It did not suddenly arrive. It was preceeded by some very profound events, or symptoms, though the onset grew during 12-14 hours. I imagine a similar scenario for a Cytokine storm. What do you think? |