A little Herb Summary vs COVID-19

1. Trying to keep it natural and herbal on this thread, since drugs are chemically processed, and many have much more side effects... Also when SHTF, herbals may be the only medicine left available.

2. Tulsi (basil) is a good one, will include in front. It is known to helps in respiratory diseases!

3. Elderberry is used for flu and cold.. also boosts immune system, however may support a more severe Cytokine Storm

Production of inflammatory cytokines (IL-1 beta, TNF-alpha, IL-6, IL-8) was significantly increased, mostly by the Sambucol Black Elderberry Extract
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]

Last Edited by Nagabonar666 on 02/21/2020 10:31 PM

OP, will nightshades ramp up the inflammation caused by Covid-19? Should they be eliminated from diet, if sick?

Hi @pool, unless its the deadly nightshade or unless you are allergic or sensitive or medical condition (for example arthritis or auto-immune) to nightshade, then i think one should definately not avoid nightshades. I could also not find any scientific evidence between inflammation and nightshades

Nightshades are full of Alcaloids.. however each nightshade has different Alcaloids and amount of Alcaloids, for example tobacco (nicotine),pepper (capsaicin),tomato (chaconine)...

Capsaicin has excellent anti inflammatory and respiratory properties and even reduces Cykotine levels if you have an inflammation.

Tomatoes have benefits for the heart. Red hot chili is full of vitamins. Potatoes are rich in fiber and energy.

The Alcaloid you need to be careful about is Solanine. Its poisonous , but mostly within stems and leaves i read.

I think for tomotoes, peppers, potatoes its the same as with everything else. One should be carefull with excess, especially with nightshades due to the alcaloids

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Last Edited by Nagabonar666 on 02/22/2020 06:26 AM

OP are you sure about elderberry?

Natural medicine guru here, all good suggestions, but I doubt it will help as they are using very strong anti-retroviral drugs commonly used for HIV to help.

I would say as a common good idea-

Manuka honey, Tumeric, high dose vitamin C D3(5000 or more) and K2. I doubt seriously though that they will cure this-- but definitely may help. The rate of transmission with this disease is high! -- And our bodies have absolutely no immunity to it, so the chances of getting it are incredibly high especially since people are shedding virus for up to 14 days before symptoms present.

Scary times. be well.

Last Edited by girlie45 on 02/22/2020 09:57 AM

Nightshades do increase inflammation.

take a workshop in the secrets of natural walking. in the 6 years ive been practicing, the flus have reduced in duration and intensity for me. why? because when we walk properly with an aligned spine, all the energies flow better and allows for deeper healing. our spine is connected with many nerve endings that also are connected to our organs. the energy flows with the earth energies too for deep healing. i practice daily for at least an hour, but it did take over a year to get to that point. i started with about 30 minutes. some people can only do a few steps, but gradually build. in the past when i got more fevers, i would even workout for a few minutes, but there was one time the pain in my back was so bad that sleep was the best for me. when i feel unwell, faint, i don't workout. i use it as a clue that i must rest.

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i do say, in dec 2019, there seemed to be a serious flu going around. i didn't catch it the first time or the symptoms were unnoticeable. the second time, about a few weeks ago, i noticed the sniffles when someone else near me had it. just a lot of sniffling, but no fever. mind you, i did up my walking practice to 1.5 -2 hrs daily, huge difference in health for me and i have severe ckd. well worth it for me. even my daughter who used to get severe flus every year has started secrets of natural walking 1 hr a day and only gets a lot of sniffles/post nasal. she always got the flu and sometimes even week long fevers. she rarely gets that sick now. i highly recommend this amazing practice.

Last Edited by Lotus Bloom on 02/22/2020 11:32 AM

I would caution the use of elderberry or any immune system stimulator. Especially given the way this virus "hides" and is undetectable in our bodies-- we feel fine, but it's there-- much like HIV before the first opportunistic disease, or shingles before we are 50 plus. I would not be surprised to find a herpes type virus thrown into this mix. They are sneaky little things.

Elderberry or any immune system stimulator will increase the severity of a cytokine storm somewhere down the line if you get this. I currently take low dose naltrexone for MS and am concerned that I may need to stop till this blows over.

thanks

Thank you - That is so kind.

One of my favorite dreams was to be in a huge room with drawers and shelves full of every herbal medicine you could imagine. I would spend my time in there making things for people.

Seriously though, try the osha, if you need a supplier of some already prepared stuff, send me a burner email and I will link to my source.

48 hours and it completely clears the lungs, with some relief felt after first dose.

You won't like the taste though.

Powerful medicine has powerful flavor.

I am happy you included propolis, this is a great thread.

I was thinking about researching solutions for those dependent on medications too. I did a few posts a few weeks ago on some of the things I keep at home (always).

Wow, thanks for passing by and sharing your experience, Guru.

Indeed, from past personal experience, anti-viral drugs can have nasty side effects.

They are now testing Remdesivir on humans in Wuhan [link to time.com (secure)] . If you search around you wont find any side effects mentioned, New York Times even says "It was tested without ill effects in Ebola patients". [link to www.nytimes.com (secure)]
Funny though that they already tested this out in the last 2 years on Ebola and Nipah Virus, with deadly side effect results "Three participants died of side effects thought to be related to treatment....one in the remdesivir group." [link to www.nih.gov (secure)]

Stay safe!

Last Edited by Nagabonar666 on 02/22/2020 06:39 PM

Ancients around the world believed and practiced in the art of non-material aspects of things and passed some of this knowledge down. Europe druids, witches, Gnostics, Indian yogis, Native American Shamans, and on and on... This applies to the properties of herbals, but also to the body.

It takes great discipline to master self healing via spine...

Last Edited by Nagabonar666 on 04/12/2020 03:20 PM

Added TOBACCO

obviously many negative effects and cancer causing, however...

Tobacco is of the nightshade family (same like tomato or potato) and Nicotine is an Alkaloid (toxic defense compound produced by the plant against insects). Many Alcaloids have medicinal properties (but many Alkaloids also have bad side effects, or both medicinal and side effects)
[link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Nicotine is a nonselective agonist of the α7Ach receptor and is able to suppress the production of proinflammatory cytokines by mimicking the binding of acetylcholine.
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]

They did some research on mice, exposed it to nicotine smoke for 21 days, and another set of mice to normal air. They then injected Avian Flu H1N1 into the mice. The mortality of nicotine exposed mice was significantly lower, also shown to suppress Cytokine storm:
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]

There are also several other studies available in relation to Nicotine and low number of infections among smokers during the SARS outbreak, for example the following by Chinese researchers:
[link to pdfs.semanticscholar.org (secure)]

On wikipedia, the tobacco plant includes both nicotine and harmala alkaloids.

In ancient middle eastern medicine they used the Harmala herb (African Rue) as treatment for Parkinson tremors, high blood pressure and neurological disorders such as depression and psycatric / nervous conditions. [link to books.google.co.id (secure)] .Recent studies also suggest that Harmala has antiviral properties against influenza A virus. [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]

"Viral infections like the flu...can cause high blood pressure..raise odds for heart attack or stroke"
[link to www.webmd.com (secure)]

"researchers have found proof of a direct association between strain OC 43 of the human coronavirus (HCoV) and neurological disease"
[link to www.sciencedaily.com (secure)]

"the new coronavirus behaves more like influenza than SARS"
[link to www.pharmacist.com (secure)]

Now the fun part. Wikepdia only mentions that tobacco has nicotine and harmala ingredients. But actually tobacco has 5 more minor alkaloids (less then 5% of total alkaloids in tobacco): anabasine, nornicotine, anatabine, cotinine and myosmine
[link to academic.oup.com (secure)]

Short summary of Tobacco Alkaloids:

1. Nicotine: anti-inflammatory for immune and nervous system, suppresses cytokine production

2. Harmala: anti-viral (anti flu), anti-inflammatory, treats hypertension and neurological disorders

3. Anabasine: more toxic then nicotine, ancient egyptians used it as anti-septic, anti-inflammatory
[link to www.sciencedirect.com (secure)]

4. Nornicotine: similar applications to nicotine

5. Anatabine: anti-inflammatory and reduces pro-inflammatory production of cytokines also reduces neuro-inflammation
[link to www.researchgate.net (secure)]

6. Cotinene: main metabolite of nicotine, agent against psychiatric conditions and decreases fear
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]

7. Myosmine: no benefits found. Apparantly a carcinogen (cancer causing)

More information here:

Thread: CoViD-19 Appears to Affect Smokers Less

Last Edited by Nagabonar666 on 02/22/2020 10:23 PM

Good Find.

Damn, that stuff really clears out the fluids from the lungs, as well as all traces of respiratory problems.

I found this: [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]

Most excellent resource about cytokines.

Pleases double check me on this, as I am getting that there are many different types of cytokines and only the ones deemed "inflammatory" are responsible for the damage of the cytokine storm.

"Interferons.
The interferons (IFNs) are a family of cytokines that play a central role in innate immunity to viruses and other microbial pathogens."

The interferons seem like keepers to me.

That link is really a great resource on the subject, as it also references SARS - and H1N1.

They talk about balancing out the cytokines, and this may just be really important.

Hi Bodhi - indeed, that is why i deleted my response but you got there quicker! Apologies for me being to fast to draw a coclusion

The more i dive deeper, the more mind boggling it gets about the variety and different ways these herbals work, specifically in regards to Cytokine network and control

Ocha root increases production of the anti-inflammatory mediator IFNy for anti-inflammatory cytokine interleukin-10 (also increases its production), thereby reducing pro-inflammatory cytokine TNF

Similar to the way Chaparall plant works, will include Ocha Root to the front page :-)

Since you have experience with it, do you recommend Ocha root to take on regular basis?

Do you think that ocha roots active ingredient, acts as a protective compound against Cytokine storm? (for example some research shows that Turmerics ingredient Curcumin does so)

Last Edited by Nagabonar666 on 02/23/2020 07:26 AM

What is the story about 72% ++ dark chocolate to clear strong repetitive coughs?

Itchy throat, runny nose and all that. It came suddenly.

Will it have any effects?

Is Tiger balm (the genuine kind), organic tea tree oil and Eucalyptus Globulus help at all?

I caught some bad stuff going to the supermarkets for missing food yesterday. Sort of like UK storm weather, cold and windy. No car so I must walk.

I will have to take a 500 mg paracetamol tablet (max quantity) to calm down the game.

Any recommendations? I will be in Paris on Wednesday so I will have ER check on it.

Removing these noisy wheezy turboprop engine sounding coughs is my main preoccupation at this point.

Thank you.




Last Edited by Concorde Warrior F-BVFA on 02/23/2020 02:39 PM

Hi OP I would add pelargonium to this list [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]

I am so glad you brought this up in the first place. It was the feeling I had that led me to that epic link about cytokines. This is why I love intelligent conversations here.



So for anyone who doesn't want to read it, the conclusion is that there are several types of cytokines that all basically manage the immune system in it's entirety.

Some are the cause of cytokine storms, while others prevent and are helpful in the fight against viruses.

Now we can look at herbal medicines that are proven to work against viruses and see which ones are the best.

I first learned about Osha from a local medicine man (southwest US). They chew on the root (little pieces) and then would spit it on their hands too. For protection.

Please put a warning about use if pregnant, as it can cause menses.

I would save the big doses (tinctures) for when the body needs it, as far as using it every day.

In my experience with adults and children, Osha works fastest when taken at first signs. As with all herbals.

Within 48 hours of dosages, all symptoms have cleared up including cough, pain in chest, wheezing and closed airways.

As a "sensitive" person this medicine goes straight to the chest/lung area upon consumption and expands only in that area.

OP I smoke tobacco in form of IQOS less harmful than cigarettes and preventing any kind of cytokine storm.

since you are already sick and taking paracetamol, i would recommend a low risk support first. Also easy to find:

- a mix of Green Tea and Ginger (if possible find the Ginger Root, peel and crush it into the hot green tea)
- Spoon of honey (morning and evenning)
- tea tree or eucalyptus oil, mix with hot water and inhale over steam may help also

Get well!

Last Edited by Nagabonar666 on 02/23/2020 11:03 PM

I wouldn't take paracetamol at my stage at least due the fact I don't have high fever and fever is natural reaction of body fighting with infection.I would like to know what causes cytokine storm and what prevents what protocol should I use.I know that nicotine prevents it ,knew that earlier

from my understanding Cytokine storm happen if your immune system does not recognize the Virus invader and thus makes an excessive response:

The precise reason for this is not entirely understood but may be caused by an exaggerated response when the immune system encounters a new and highly pathogenic invader.
[link to www.sinobiological.com (secure)]

Personally, as a prevention, besides trying to live healthy, i believe in the power of regular turmeric intake (at least for the moment while this virus is around) coupled with regluar consumption of some other easy to find (honey, green tea, ginger):

Curcumin blocks cytokine release
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]

I also smoke cigarettes since 20 years but don't really want to recommend to other people since tobacco also has Cancer causing ingredients (Myosmine for example). I am considering to switch to pure tobacco, due to all the poison the factory one has.. also tobacco has some other useful ingredients (Harmala, Anabatine, Continene).

To the anti vax comment. If you meet a non antivax mother, you've met an uneducated mother.

Nature definitely has the cure. I'm going to throw out 2 things. Glutahione, which is a supplement, not an herb. And Lobelia. Lobelia cleans out the lungs and heals them, but I am not sure of all the ins and outs of it with pneumonia, so more research needs to be done there. Also, glutathione helps rebuild and heal the lungs. I haven't heard anything about it that may contraindicate it for pneumonia. There are foods and herbs that contain high amounts of glutathione.

I really appreciate this thread, OP. Focusing on solutions is much more positive, and therefore life enhancing.

Not that we should be cavalier with this, just that there have to be answers. Because even if it was man made, it's just a man made perversion of what is natural.

Last Edited by Fluffy Pancakes on 02/24/2020 12:35 AM

I've had it in the house taking it for some time.
570 mg caps.

Does not do anything. Niet. Nullo. Nada.

Maybe it works only for some people.

Nothing new or exotic here us Americans didn't already know; disappointing thread from Indonesia

Animal and test-tube studies note that the organic compoundanethole has anticancer, antimicrobial, antiviral, and anti-inflammatory properties (8Trusted Source).

[link to www.healthline.com (secure)]

Picked up some fennel seeds yesterday.

HIV may cause blood clots, maybe Covid does as well, I can't find anything directly stating such. [link to www.health24.com (secure)]

Almonds thin blood... [link to healthfully.com (secure)]