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Bud Fox
(OP) User ID: 62626510 United States 01/31/2020 10:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I owned an auto body shop for 20 years and the painters only used N95 masks.... they are industrial quality 'paint masks' and have strick Federal standards that most pacific rim manufacturers don't meet Quoting: sinceBeforeQhadaName That is not surprising in the least bit. I wonder how much a cheap Chinese N-95 mask would actually filter on it's best day? Probably no where near its rating Blue Horseshoe loves GLP |
Bud Fox
(OP) User ID: 62626510 United States 01/31/2020 10:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I’ve used an organic vapor respirator for work regularly. They’re very very good! Do not even entertain the white disposable masks, you WILL get even dust creep in the sides of the nose attachment let alone 0.1 micron particles! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78081395 Any brand recommendations for those who might need suggestions? Blue Horseshoe loves GLP |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78081395 Czechia 01/31/2020 10:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For those having trouble locating masks I just wanted to point out a possible alternative source that may go overlooked, painting respirators. These are reusable partial or full faced masks with cartridge filters (variety of filters available, which need to be purchased separately). Quoting: Bud Fox Here is an amazon search to give you an idea: [link to www.amazon.com (secure)] These are generally sold from industrial supply houses or chains like McCarr or Grainger, but are available in a lot of home depot like stores too. They will probably be available a lot longer than other types of mask simply because people don't know what they are or where to look. A couple of points on these, however: 1) Technically you should be professionally "fit" for one of these to be 100% effective. This includes shaving any facial hair in the area around the seal of the mask, and getting one that fits your face. 2) These are dangerous to those with respiratory and cardiac problems, so they should only be worn with a doctors consent. At my former business we used to disqualify people form jobs because they failed the medical risk portion of the fitment. This is required reading (at jobs, literally required by law)for anyone who is going to wear a respirator: [link to www.osha.gov (secure)] By Standard Number 1910.134 App D - (Mandatory) Information for Employees Using Respirators When not Required Under Standard. Part Number: 1910 Part Number Title: Occupational Safety and Health Standards Subpart: 1910 Subpart I Subpart Title: Personal Protective Equipment Standard Number: 1910.134 App D Title: (Mandatory) Information for Employees Using Respirators When not Required Under Standard. GPO Source: e-CFR Appendix D to Sec. 1910.134 (Mandatory) Information for Employees Using Respirators When Not Required Under the Standard Respirators are an effective method of protection against designated hazards when properly selected and worn. Respirator use is encouraged, even when exposures are below the exposure limit, to provide an additional level of comfort and protection for workers. However, if a respirator is used improperly or not kept clean, the respirator itself can become a hazard to the worker. Sometimes, workers may wear respirators to avoid exposures to hazards, even if the amount of hazardous substance does not exceed the limits set by OSHA standards. If your employer provides respirators for your voluntary use, or if you provide your own respirator, you need to take certain precautions to be sure that the respirator itself does not present a hazard. You should do the following: 1. Read and heed all instructions provided by the manufacturer on use, maintenance, cleaning and care, and warnings regarding the respirators limitations. 2. Choose respirators certified for use to protect against the contaminant of concern. NIOSH, the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, certifies respirators. A label or statement of certification should appear on the respirator or respirator packaging. It will tell you what the respirator is designed for and how much it will protect you. 3. Do not wear your respirator into atmospheres containing contaminants for which your respirator is not designed to protect against. For example, a respirator designed to filter dust particles will not protect you against gases, vapors, or very small solid particles of fumes or smoke. 4. Keep track of your respirator so that you do not mistakenly use someone else's respirator. [63 FR 1152, Jan. 8, 1998; 63 FR 20098, April 23, 1998] But an organic vapor mask will protect against dust, maybe it doesn’t work the other way round as you’ve mentioned, but I have tried that. Go organic vapor imo, it does deal with dust too.. |
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User ID: 75561499 United States 01/31/2020 10:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I owned an auto body shop for 20 years and the painters only used N95 masks.... they are industrial quality 'paint masks' and have strick Federal standards that most pacific rim manufacturers don't meet Quoting: sinceBeforeQhadaName That is not surprising in the least bit. I wonder how much a cheap Chinese N-95 mask would actually filter on it's best day? Probably no where near its rating If you walk through an area with the virus in the air...You'll get it, unless your are completely separated from outside air in a self contained positive pressure full body suit Last Edited by SinceBeforeQhadaName on 01/31/2020 10:50 AM TS with no middle D |
Bud Fox
(OP) User ID: 62626510 United States 01/31/2020 10:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | PAINT MASKS and SURGICAL MASKS can't fit the face of a small child or teenager. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72408109 They are also NOT an alternative to a hazmat suit. YOU NEED N95 MASKS. Not surgical masks YOU NEED N95 MASKS. Not surgical masks YOU NEED N95 MASKS. Not surgical masks YOU NEED N95 MASKS. Not surgical masks YOU NEED N95 MASKS. Not surgical masks YOU NEED N95 MASKS. Not surgical masks The "masks" I am showing are really respirators that can be ordered by size and filter rating, although I do not know if they are available in children's sizes. Blue Horseshoe loves GLP |
Bud Fox
(OP) User ID: 62626510 United States 01/31/2020 10:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I owned an auto body shop for 20 years and the painters only used N95 masks.... they are industrial quality 'paint masks' and have strick Federal standards that most pacific rim manufacturers don't meet Quoting: sinceBeforeQhadaName That is not surprising in the least bit. I wonder how much a cheap Chinese N-95 mask would actually filter on it's best day? Probably no where near its rating If you walk through an area with the virus in the air...You'll get it, unless your are completely separated from outside air in a self contained positive pressure full body suit I guess that's why they suggest staying 4' away from other people. And even if you do have a pressurized suit, need to decontaminate when getting out of it which most will not be able to do. Still, better than nothing. Blue Horseshoe loves GLP |
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Nonentity
User ID: 77013656 United States 01/31/2020 10:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was a painter once and used them. 2 important things. Use vaseline around the seal to the face, especially around nose area. Make it tight. Sucks but keeps a seal. Take deep breaths, very small shallow breaths may allow air to mix at check valve, contaminated you. So don't talk while wearing it. Swimming goggles Oh, get the right cartridge too Last Edited by Nonentity on 01/31/2020 10:56 AM |
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Achtung Panzer User ID: 76924845 United States 01/31/2020 11:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Bud Fox, open and read about the #M mask i sent you that is what u want to get. Challenge Agent Challenge Concentration (ppm) Testing Relative Humidity (%) Maximum Allowed Breakthrough (ppm) Minimum Test Time (min) TLV®1 / IDLH2 (ppm) Maximum Use Concentration3 (ppm) Ammonia (NH3)4 1000 50 50 > 25 25 / 500 500 Ammonia (NH3)5 2500 25 / 80 12.5 > 15 25 / 500 500 Chlorine Dioxide (ClO2)4 500 50 0.1 > 30 0.1 / 10 10 Carbon Tetrachloride (Organic Vapors)4 1000 50 5 > 25 5 / 300 250 Chlorine (Cl2)4 500 50 5 > 17.5 0.5 / 30 25 α-Chloroacetophenone (CN)4, 6 16 50 0.05 > 480 0.05 / 16 2.5 o-Chlorobenzylidenemalononitrile (CS)4, 6 3 50 0.05 > 480 0.05C7 / 0.25 0.25 Chloropicrin (PS)8 744 80 0.74 > 27 0.1 / 4.0 4.0 Cyanogen Chloride (CK)5 300 25 / 80 2 > 15 0.3C7 / ND (46.9)9 15.0 Cyanogen Chloride (CK)10 1591 80 3.2 > 30 0.3C7 / ND (46.9)9 15.0 Cyclohexane (Organic Vapors)5 2600 25 / 80 10 > 15 100 / 10000 5000 DMMP10, 11 591 Dry 0.008 > 59 NA NA Formaldehyde (CH2O)4 100 50 1.0 > 50 0.3C7 / 30 7.512 Formaldehyde (CH2O)5 500 25 / 80 1 > 15 0.3C7 / 30 7.512 Hydrogen Chloride (HCl)4 500 50 5 > 25 2C7 / 100 100 Hydrogen Cyanide (AC)13 3618 80 4.514 > 28 4.7C7 / 50.0 50.0 Hydrogen Cyanide (AC)5 940 25 / 80 4.715 > 15 4.7C7 / 50.0 50.0 Hydrogen Fluoride (HF)4 70 50 3.0 > 30 3C7 / 30 30 Hydrogen Sulfide, Escape (H2S)4 1000 50 10 > 30 10 / 300 300 Hydrogen Sulfide, Escape (H2S)5 1000 25 / 80 5 > 15 10 / 300 300 Methylamine (CH3NH2)4 1000 50 10 > 12.5 5 / 100 100 Nitrogen Dioxide (NO2)5 200 25 / 80 1 ppm NO2 or 25 ppm NO > 15 3 / 50 50 Particulates (P100)4 200 mg total loading w/ 0.3μm MMAD DOP particles NA <0.03% 240016 10 mg/m3 I17 / ND 3 mg/m3 R18 / ND 500 mg/m3 150 mg/m3 Phosgene (CG)13 4943 50 2.0 > 25 0.1 / 2.0 2.0 Phosgene (CG)5 250 25 / 80 1.25 > 15 0.1 / 2.0 2.0 Phosphine (PH)4 1500 50 0.3 > 12 0.3 / 200 15 Phosphine (PH)5 300 25 / 80 0.3 > 15 0.3 / 200 15 Sulfur Dioxide (SO2)4 500 50 5 > 15 2 / 100 100 Sulfur Dioxide (SO2)5 1500 25 / 80 5 > 15 2 / 100 100 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77597876 United States 01/31/2020 11:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was a painter once and used them. Quoting: Nonentity 2 important things. Use vaseline around the seal to the face, especially around nose area. Make it tight. Sucks but keeps a seal. Take deep breaths, very small shallow breaths may allow air to mix at check valve, contaminated you. So don't talk while wearing it. Swimming goggles Oh, get the right cartridge too Makes me glad i never had a painting job!! |
Jake
User ID: 77849624 United States 01/31/2020 11:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've ordered 3 times on Ebay and got them within 2 days Quoting: Jake also walked in to my local lumber yard and the shelves were packed I'll bet you can still pick them up at autoparts stores too. yeah they have them Evil controls the ignorant... Climate change is a hoax so is the vax you have been fear-porned into compliance! Definition Satan from the bible: Satan (Rev 12:7) exercising his subtle (indirect) impact on heathen governments (powers) – i.e. accomplishing his hellish agenda from "behind the scenes." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74912180 United States 01/31/2020 11:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was a painter once and used them. Quoting: Nonentity 2 important things. Use vaseline around the seal to the face, especially around nose area. Make it tight. Sucks but keeps a seal. Take deep breaths, very small shallow breaths may allow air to mix at check valve, contaminated you. So don't talk while wearing it. Swimming goggles Oh, get the right cartridge too Also, do a negative and positive seal test. Look them up. Very important. |
Jake
User ID: 77849624 United States 01/31/2020 11:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | they are the same masks as hospital masks Evil controls the ignorant... Climate change is a hoax so is the vax you have been fear-porned into compliance! Definition Satan from the bible: Satan (Rev 12:7) exercising his subtle (indirect) impact on heathen governments (powers) – i.e. accomplishing his hellish agenda from "behind the scenes." |
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(OP) User ID: 62626510 United States 01/31/2020 11:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was a painter once and used them. Quoting: Nonentity 2 important things. Use vaseline around the seal to the face, especially around nose area. Make it tight. Sucks but keeps a seal. Take deep breaths, very small shallow breaths may allow air to mix at check valve, contaminated you. So don't talk while wearing it. Swimming goggles Oh, get the right cartridge too Also, do a negative and positive seal test. Look them up. Very important. Awesome tips guys Blue Horseshoe loves GLP |
Bud Fox
(OP) User ID: 62626510 United States 01/31/2020 11:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I’ve used an organic vapor respirator for work regularly. They’re very very good! Do not even entertain the white disposable masks, you WILL get even dust creep in the sides of the nose attachment let alone 0.1 micron particles! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78081395 Thanks for the info! Blue Horseshoe loves GLP |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76440322 Canada 01/31/2020 11:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As a professional painter for many many years, I would not under any circumstances wear a N95 or a N100 for spray painting anything. Just by moving your own mouth around you break the seal on those things all the time. I use a fitted duel cartridge filter mask and a full mask when doing epoxies and even those cartridges only really work well for a few hours but can be spread out over time to save a few bucks. Not sure how well they would work against a virus....probably not at all! But I wouldn't be trusting a N95, over a cartridge fitted mask for painting when it comes to overall protection. There is a reason why N95 is a few bucks and why a fitted mask is $80.00 minimum. You get what you pay for. |
sinceBeforeQhadaName
User ID: 75561499 United States 01/31/2020 11:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As a professional painter for many many years, I would not under any circumstances wear a N95 or a N100 for spray painting anything. Just by moving your own mouth around you break the seal on those things all the time. I use a fitted duel cartridge filter mask and a full mask when doing epoxies and even those cartridges only really work well for a few hours but can be spread out over time to save a few bucks. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76440322 Not sure how well they would work against a virus....probably not at all! But I wouldn't be trusting a N95, over a cartridge fitted mask for painting when it comes to overall protection. There is a reason why N95 is a few bucks and why a fitted mask is $80.00 minimum. You get what you pay for. Listen to this guy, he knows what he's talking about. I just rebuilt a couple of scba's I had hanging around from my firefighter days... (Positive pressure self contained breathing apperatus) All air intake is from a pressurized compressed pre-filtered air tank Last Edited by SinceBeforeQhadaName on 01/31/2020 11:38 AM TS with no middle D |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77522802 United States 01/31/2020 11:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Friends, Instead of speculation, go to a solid source of information on mask types: [link to www.cdc.gov (secure)] You are looking for N95 masks, or P100 respirators. Anyone saying they don't work, or are a worthless intervention, is simply full of the brown stuff. They DO work, are used by health authorities worldwide, and are well worth picking up before everything is gone. PROTIP: Skip Amazon and your local pharmacy. Go directly to the local Ace Hardware, Home Depot or Loews. You will find both types of masks in abundance. Despite being sold in a hardware / builders store, the NIOSH ratings are what is most important. N95 masks sold at Home Depot are the exact same, and often LESS EXPENSIVE. |
akasuzanne
User ID: 78185358 United States 01/31/2020 11:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | PAINT MASKS and SURGICAL MASKS can't fit the face of a small child or teenager. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72408109 They are also NOT an alternative to a hazmat suit. YOU NEED N95 MASKS. Not surgical masks YOU NEED N95 MASKS. Not surgical masks YOU NEED N95 MASKS. Not surgical masks YOU NEED N95 MASKS. Not surgical masks YOU NEED N95 MASKS. Not surgical masks YOU NEED N95 MASKS. Not surgical masks Keep in mind surgical masks are to protect the patient from the surgeons germs. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76440322 Canada 01/31/2020 11:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Everyone is talking about masks and that's ok. better to be prepared and not need it, than need it and not have it. at this point I would recommend everyone to just get something that stops you from touching your face. Any mask will do...hell you could get away with a scarf to stop you from touching your face and then not look like some conspiracy theorist or asian at this point. But more importantly they say to wash your hands....that's great and all but on average we touch our own faces about 8 x a minute. So I would recommend everyone goes out and buys some disposable gloves for their size of hands. Nitrite is cool as it is Black, strong, and won't break the bank. But really any disposable gloves would work. Combining the face mask with gloves will probably help more than anything and since the gloves are throw away you don't even need to bring them inside your house...just toss them. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76440322 Canada 01/31/2020 11:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Friends, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77522802 Instead of speculation, go to a solid source of information on mask types: [link to www.cdc.gov (secure)] You are looking for N95 masks, or P100 respirators. Anyone saying they don't work, or are a worthless intervention, is simply full of the brown stuff. They DO work, are used by health authorities worldwide, and are well worth picking up before everything is gone. PROTIP: Skip Amazon and your local pharmacy. Go directly to the local Ace Hardware, Home Depot or Loews. You will find both types of masks in abundance. Despite being sold in a hardware / builders store, the NIOSH ratings are what is most important. N95 masks sold at Home Depot are the exact same, and often LESS EXPENSIVE. Except here in Canada.....They are all sold out. Every hardware store, work wear store, winners, drug store, walmart, C-tires. 2 weeks minimum for new orders to come in. I found that only respirators are left. The asians came in last weekend and bought them all up to send back home to family and friends. Not even joking as I was going to buy a bunch for my family and friends. Now they have to fend for themselves. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77522802 United States 01/31/2020 11:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Friends, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77522802 Instead of speculation, go to a solid source of information on mask types: [link to www.cdc.gov (secure)] You are looking for N95 masks, or P100 respirators. Anyone saying they don't work, or are a worthless intervention, is simply full of the brown stuff. They DO work, are used by health authorities worldwide, and are well worth picking up before everything is gone. PROTIP: Skip Amazon and your local pharmacy. Go directly to the local Ace Hardware, Home Depot or Loews. You will find both types of masks in abundance. Despite being sold in a hardware / builders store, the NIOSH ratings are what is most important. N95 masks sold at Home Depot are the exact same, and often LESS EXPENSIVE. Also pick up a cheap pair of goggles in order to prevent ocular exposure. Airborne particles getting in the eyes are pulled by surface tension into the nasolacrimal duct, eventually draining into the throat. It is in the airway where the cells most sensitive to the coronavirus are found. |
Andraste
User ID: 77412155 United States 01/31/2020 11:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For what it's worth... Corona virus is a droplet contaminated. Not airborne. A surgical mask will do just fine. As long as we are not being lied to... Which would be odd cause corona has never been airborne. Surgical mask and safety glasses.. Wash your hands don't touch your face. Peace. Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same. ~Ronald Reagan |